I think Amity actually fulfills some function.
Withdraw doesn't.
Worst Elite Skill
Xenomortis
Reverend Dr
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Originally Posted by lemming
Second Wind is pretty bad, but I'm still getting the impression that everyone calling it the worst elite in the game doesn't know that you build up exhaustion by canceling it.
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Necromas
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
I think Amity actually fulfills some function.
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superraptors
i think most assasin elites are pretty useless in general with few exceptions
Bright Star Shine
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Originally Posted by superraptors
i think most assasin elites are pretty useless in general with few exceptions
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Assault Enchantments
Dark Apostasy (not ideal, but still pretty useful)
Locust Fury (not so bad either, but there's better things)
Palm Strike
Shattering Assault
Way of the Assassin
Flashing Blades
Fox's Promise (still not very good, but pretty good though, unblockable is ftw)
Moebius Strike
Assassin's Promise
Mark of Insecurity (pretty good imo)
Shadow Prison (not great, but used to be meta for quite a while)
Siphon Strength (can take out a melee character pretty well)
Way of the Empty Palm (bad, but still not that bad)
Beguiling Haze
Hidden Caltrops (bad, but still a pretty good snare)
Shadow Form? (Lol)
Shadow Shroud
Shadow Meld (used to be used in the Deep and DoA)
Hmm, that kind of sums em up, leaving out like 5...
aspi
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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine
Exeptions like:
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Canine Guidance
Escape is great for running
Veldan
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Originally Posted by Canine Guidance
Escape is great for running
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A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by aspi
Yeah well actualy this should be the winner of bad elites. What was Anet thinking.....
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I think they should change it so that it acts like Gwen's play dead skill. You can still run around with it on, but things don't aggro to you or attack. That'll keep it from being a farming skill.
Skyy High
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Originally Posted by Veldan
But never needed, when I run, all I use for the running itself is dwarven stability + dodge / zojun's haste.
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Cale Roughstar
Decapitate is one of the worst in my opinion. Lose all adrenaline AND energy? If it cost all adrenaline only, it would be an OP skill, but costing all energy just gimps it to the point of hilarity.
Also, someone on the previous page said Triple Chop was bad. It can actually be quite a bit of fun in PvE, especially in tank'n'spank areas (i.e. the Deep). Pop on a zealous axe, spam triple chop, cyclonic axe and whirlwind attack for big damage. Toss on some splinter weapons and ZOMGNUMBERSEVERYWHERE!
Also, someone on the previous page said Triple Chop was bad. It can actually be quite a bit of fun in PvE, especially in tank'n'spank areas (i.e. the Deep). Pop on a zealous axe, spam triple chop, cyclonic axe and whirlwind attack for big damage. Toss on some splinter weapons and ZOMGNUMBERSEVERYWHERE!
Taurean
Why not use decapitate when you have almost no energy?
Taurean
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Originally Posted by Skyy High
60 second recharge on DS.
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Bright Star Shine
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Originally Posted by Skyy High
in short, why would you ever use DS for a running build over escape?
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superraptors
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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine
Exeptions like:
Assault Enchantments Dark Apostasy (not ideal, but still pretty useful) Locust Fury (not so bad either, but there's better things) Palm Strike Shattering Assault Way of the Assassin Flashing Blades Fox's Promise (still not very good, but pretty good though, unblockable is ftw) Moebius Strike Assassin's Promise Mark of Insecurity (pretty good imo) Shadow Prison (not great, but used to be meta for quite a while) Siphon Strength (can take out a melee character pretty well) Way of the Empty Palm (bad, but still not that bad) Beguiling Haze Hidden Caltrops (bad, but still a pretty good snare) Shadow Form? (Lol) Shadow Shroud Shadow Meld (used to be used in the Deep and DoA) Hmm, that kind of sums em up, leaving out like 5... |
flashing blades is still bad
foxs promise still bad
moi is still bad
sp is bad
siphon is bad
wayof the empty palm is bad
beguiling haze is still bad
shadow meld useless after hb removed
Skyy High
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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine
Wut? Userious? DS is f*cking powerful, 100% longer stances when r10 Delver? That's insane.. With DS you can also upkeep dodge and Zojun's and you still got a slot for an Elite.. Looks pretty obvious to me..
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Still think escape is better, you're not vulnerable to enchant removal and you don't have to stop....but still. Ignore my last post.
DoesntMatter
Oath Shot. Miss and your skillbar is reset
miriforst
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^ There's Poison Arrow
Quickshot is meant to be used with hornbows + IAS. It just fell victim to powercreep skills that's all. |
Never though that existed outside of the temporary lightning reflexes and magebane, mostly rangers have been slowly nerfed if anything.
And yes quick shot has been nerfed, i used it for laughs in low end pvp while utilizing conjure, kindle and power shot, precision shot etc.
now it got aftercast and that kills the only meaning of the skill, to use it in between already fast activating skills to work as an ias that is non dependant on what bow you are wielding thus making the hornbow the weapon of choice. And to prove that they do not understand the game the developers stated:
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shifting shadows
Wail of Doom hands down. Completely unusable.
Wish Swiftdeath
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Wail of Doom hands down. Completely unusable.
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Karate Jesus
Amity is useless in every instance in PvE and PvP. I think it wins.
Mashiyu
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Originally Posted by shifting shadows
Wail of Doom hands down. Completely unusable.
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Wish Swiftdeath
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Originally Posted by Mashiyu
sure, a ranged blackout which doesn't disable your own skills is pretty bad...
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Boogz
Amity wins this thread dudes, any other elite can have at least one crappy bar to run around with, even stuff like Second Wind and Quick Shot. amity is simply impossible to use on every single bar.
Xenomortis
Nah, Withdraw Hexes beats it to the prize.
bhavv
Amnity > Withdraw Hexs.
You can actually have some fun with csting Amnity on people in RA. Withdraw hexes on the other hand is always lame.
You can actually have some fun with csting Amnity on people in RA. Withdraw hexes on the other hand is always lame.
thedukesd
Second Wind
no idea at what you can use this...
no idea at what you can use this...
Reverend Dr
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Originally Posted by bhavv
Amnity > Withdraw Hexs.
You can actually have some fun with csting Amnity on people in RA. Withdraw hexes on the other hand is always lame. |
Multiple copies of amity + pacifism in TA was absolutely hilarious.
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Originally Posted by thedukesd
Second Wind
no idea at what you can use this... |
ensoriki
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Second Wind
no idea at what you can use this... |
If it bloody removed exhaustion then it would be worth someones time.
Dre
Second wind is not useless (if you know how to be careful with exhaustion, it a decent energy skill)
As Reverend Dr said, it's the 2 second cast time that makes it bad (especially in PvP)
As Reverend Dr said, it's the 2 second cast time that makes it bad (especially in PvP)
ensoriki
I agree that it's bad not that it's useless. It's clear that it's E-management, but why would I use it, theres like 1001 different options to get energy back. I'd probably choose any of them before Second Wind, unless Im forgetting one particularly bad e-management skill or something.
Xenomortis
Just because something better exists doesn't make a particular skill terrible. Second Wind actually performs a job.
Reokuma
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex
Quick shot + Choking gas/Incendiary arrow can be quite good.
Another one I find barely better than Unyielding aura is Lightning surge...pitifully weak for an elite that cause exhaustion, 10 energy, and has a delay?! |
jazilla
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Originally Posted by Apok
Why does everyone think Stone Sheath is not worthy for this list?!
Why?!?!?! |
Liability
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Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar
Decapitate is one of the worst in my opinion. Lose all adrenaline AND energy? If it cost all adrenaline only, it would be an OP skill, but costing all energy just gimps it to the point of hilarity.
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Sorn Xarann
Watch out for the secret Decapitate spike.
Avatar of Healing
I would have to go with Word of Censure. High energy cost, and while the damage is semi decent the disable effect is just stupid.
Mia Clemons
Shatter Storm, hands down.
Pro's
Con's
To me, if you want to bring a heavy enchantment removal, go /Necromancer and bring Gaze of Contempt
Pro's
Has anyone ever used Shatter Storm in PvP, let alone PvE?
...didn't think so
Pro's
- Removes all Enchantments
Con's
- Elite Slot could be spent better
- Can potentially be disabled for a very long period of time
- No Attribute means no advantage over scaled disenchantment skills
To me, if you want to bring a heavy enchantment removal, go /Necromancer and bring Gaze of Contempt
Pro's
- Same energy as most enchantment removal skills
- Definite recharge time, regardless of how many were removed
- No Attribute means no required investment
- Non-elite frees up your slot for more viable elites
- Must meet a condition to work properly
- Two second casting time invites interruption (unless Mesmer Primary with FC)
Has anyone ever used Shatter Storm in PvP, let alone PvE?
...didn't think so
lemming
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Originally Posted by Avatar of Healing
I would have to go with Word of Censure. High energy cost, and while the damage is semi decent the disable effect is just stupid.
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Con's
Has anyone ever used Shatter Storm in PvP, let alone PvE? ...didn't think so |
The disable is nowhere near as much of an issue as you make it out to be. In fact, it substitutes for two or three normal enchant removals - an uncovered Conjure or Mirror of Ice or Attunement or a spot removal on Guardian is only a 7 second recharge, instead of the 20-25 seconds of your other common enchant removals - Shatter, Drain, Strip, and Rend.
miriforst
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Originally Posted by lemming
The disable is negligible in PvP, where Word of Censure is currently part of the meta on a smiter.
That's exactly why people run Shatterstorm over Rend on Paragons in dual paragon spikes. The disable is nowhere near as much of an issue as you make it out to be. In fact, it substitutes for two or three normal enchant removals - an uncovered Conjure or Mirror of Ice or Attunement or a spot removal on Guardian is only a 7 second recharge, instead of the 20-25 seconds of your other common enchant removals - Shatter, Drain, Strip, and Rend. |