Oh heck. Assassins. (Mesmer thread.) - Guild Wars Guru Archive

Lion's Arch Merchant

Lucid Dreams [LD]

Joined Feb 2006

Mar 27, 2006 at 8:32 PM • #21

Quote: Originally Posted by Sayshina

They're faster than a War, in that they don't need adren and can do their thing from the start, but they had better accomplish their mission within 4 or 5 seconds or their dead. That's the true beauty of Assassins. All those teleports are awesome. Teleport in, do your thing, teleport out, recharge, start over.

I'll sure remake my A/Me when Factions is released.

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Joined Jan 2006

Mar 27, 2006 at 9:09 PM • #22

Quote: Originally Posted by Grim Weeper

I used a build that i saw an EaSy member use the previous preview event...it was R/A with zealous daggers so energy wasn't a problem, and then you do jagged strike->temple strike->horns of the ox-> falling spider->twisting fangs...whilst under tigers fury, meaning whole combo takes about 7 seconds, and i only fought one monk that survived the whole combo..it was my faction farming extravaganza weekend Sound like the pre builds Fangs of Melandru. This pre build is good against 1 vs 1 because Horn of the ox works only if the foe have no of his/her allies adjacant.

unholy guardian

Jungle Guide

Lost Haven

A/Mo

Joined Mar 2006

Mar 27, 2006 at 10:12 PM • #23

spirit shackles plus mind wrack would get them ko'ed because by the time they knew what hit them they would have launched probly 10 slashes

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Joined Sep 2005

Mar 27, 2006 at 11:53 PM • #24

Quote: Originally Posted by unholy guardian

spirit shackles plus mind wrack would get them ko'ed because by the time they knew what hit them they would have launched probly 10 slashes Ranger/Assasin means no hex removal as well. They'd have to depend on killing you in one pass through of the skills.

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Joined Jan 2006

Mar 28, 2006 at 12:03 AM • #25

Quote: Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

Ranger/Assasin means no hex removal as well. They'd have to depend on killing you in one pass through of the skills. But there a problem about hex. In assassin skills, there one which it works like Spellbreaker and Obsidian Flesh. So we must watch out about this skill. In any case, Random Arena, IW Build or Blackout around build.

Ju_Smurph

Frost Gate Guardian

[TaB]

Me/N

Joined Jun 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 1:58 AM • #26

Empathy...

Empathy...

Empathy... Most assassins are so gung ho about getting their combo off they got absoultly shreaded by this forgetton skill. You could ineptitude + clumsiness spike them as well...

Assassins are the least of a mesmers problems.

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Joined Jan 2006

Mar 28, 2006 at 2:48 AM • #27

Quote: Originally Posted by Ju_Smurph

Empathy...

Empathy...

Empathy... Most assassins are so gung ho about getting their combo off they got absoultly shreaded by this forgetton skill. You could ineptitude + clumsiness spike them as well...

Assassins are the least of a mesmers problems. Easier said than done when they have that spellbreaker spell on them. This Elite will be a problem for mesmers.

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Joined Sep 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 3:32 AM • #28

Quote: Originally Posted by Francis Demeules Easier said than done when they have that spellbreaker spell on them. This Elite will be a problem for mesmers.
It is Elite, which means they'll have to drop one of their elite attacks of nastiness. I don't see many KILL 'EM ALL type players playing defensively with an Assassin... But it is a skill we need to watch for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ju_Smurph

Empathy...

Empathy...

Empathy... Most assassins are so gung ho about getting their combo off they got absoultly shreaded by this forgetton skill. You could ineptitude + clumsiness spike them as well...

Assassins are the least of a mesmers problems. How did we miss that one?

Siren

Wilds Pathfinder

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Joined Mar 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 8:07 AM • #29

I saw a mention of Moebius Strike, but it's certainly not a skill to be taken lightly. It's basically the Assassin equivalent of Oath Shot, except the target just needs to be below 50% health. Provided the Assassin knows what they're doing, there's no problem at all with letting Diversion take the lead attack. It's entirely possible to pack two lead attacks in the skill bar...one the throwaway, perhaps, and the other your main one.

But even then, if the Assassin can get through a combo like...Unsuspecting Strike-->Jagged Strike-->Fox Fangs-->Twisting Fangs-->Moebius Strike, the probability of a skill recharge happening is extraordinarily high, barring no block stances, enchantments, or Blindness.

After a combo like that, with even minor damage support from a team mate, the target will very likely be Bleeding, Deep Wounded, and near-death. Under 50% health? If not, then I'm impressed.

The Mesmer counter to Assassins is identical to the Mesmer counter to Warriors: Inept/Clumsiness, Blind, Spirit of Failure, etc.

Diversion doesn't really matter, unless you catch Moebius Strike with it. But even then, with Diversion's 6-second duration? The Assassin doesn't have to care. They have the luxury of waiting out those 6 seconds. Their regular attacks do plenty of damage in the mean-time. lol

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Joined Dec 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 11:43 AM • #30

Assassin regular attacks are like being tickled

A good assassin will manage to wriggle out of diversion, but spamming it with wastrel's is going to hurt. I've never been on the receiving end of a full assassin combo (inflicted a few though during the pvp preview ages ago), because it's so painfully easy to flip on distortion and kite.

Quote: Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Easier said than done when they have that spellbreaker spell on them. This Elite will be a problem for mesmers. You're referring to some assassin skill I haven't learned right (if so, please mention the name)? Not spellbreaker (5 seconds gogo) itself?

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Guildless

Mo/

Joined Aug 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 11:57 AM • #31

There's a skill in Shadow Arts that allow the user to be immune to enemy spells and attacks for 5...17 seconds, but be reduced to 5...41 health when it ends. Has a hefty 60-recharge. Don't ask me why I can recite every skill from every profession that's not Factions Core Professions...I just can.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Joined Dec 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 1:34 PM • #32

I am lack of discipline. I shall not regain my honor until I know all the factions skills.

But anyway... just interrupt that

I can imagine complicate being run for all the new signets (like boon sig), so whack that skill if they try it. Or simply tank with distortion, and ready your killing blow for when it ends..

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Guildless

Mo/

Joined Aug 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 1:47 PM • #33

By the way, the name of it is "Shadow Form". And make sure your browser doesn't lag like mine does, cuz it's 1 second cast.

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Joined Jan 2006

Mar 28, 2006 at 1:48 PM • #34

Quote: Originally Posted by Avarre

You're referring to some assassin skill I haven't learned right (if so, please mention the name)? Not spellbreaker (5 seconds gogo) itself?

Just to inform correctly for Avarre

Shadow Form (E)

Elite enchantment spell
For 5...17 seconds, all hostile spells that target you fail and all attacks against you miss. When Shadow Form ends, you lose all but 5...41 Health.

cost: 5 energy | recharge: 60 second(s) | activate: 1 second(s)

Of course the recharge is a pain for them. For this I thought Shame. Not because he fails the spell, its because you steal his energy

Anyway, no every assassins will have this skill on his/her slot. You can kill a warrior, then you can kill as assassin.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Joined Dec 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 1:52 PM • #35

Thanks LH and FD.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ju_Smurph

Empathy...

Empathy...

Empathy... Most assassins are so gung ho about getting their combo off they got absoultly shreaded by this forgetton skill. It should trigger on a double-attack twice, right?

Hooray, my favorite nonelite shall have wrought more devastation!

Though in the 12v12s I've done so far, diversion, wastrels, and distortion has been enough to kill every assassin I've fought. I guess it's more because of the player quality than the weaknesses of the class.

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Joined Sep 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 3:45 PM • #36

Quote: Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Just to inform correctly for Avarre

When Shadow Form ends, you lose all but 5...41 Health.

Wow...Wrastles worry would worry them overly much here! Especially if they just used all their skills.

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Joined Jan 2006

Mar 28, 2006 at 4:08 PM • #37

Quote: Originally Posted by Avarre

Thanks LH and FD.

It should trigger on a double-attack twice, right?

Hooray, my favorite nonelite shall have wrought more devastation!

Though in the 12v12s I've done so far, diversion, wastrels, and distortion has been enough to kill every assassin I've fought. I guess it's more because of the player quality than the weaknesses of the class.
I smell Empathy and Spiteful Spirit spam in the air.

r

rii

Desert Nomad

Joined Mar 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 7:04 PM • #38

In terms of elites, i think asssasin have potential to be the new sword... elites arent required,... although they have a fair few good ones. Perhaps charge! assassin/warriors -.- As a quick example:

Assassin/Warrior

Critical Strikes: 8+1
Dagger Mastery: 12+4
Tactics: 10

Charge! [e]
Fear me!
Twisting Fangs
Resurrection Signet
Leaping Mantis Sting
Jungle Strike
Horns of the Ox
Falling Spider

Siren

Wilds Pathfinder

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Joined Mar 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 10:25 PM • #39

Quote: Originally Posted by Avarre Assassin regular attacks are like being tickled

A good assassin will manage to wriggle out of diversion, but spamming it with wastrel's is going to hurt. I've never been on the receiving end of a full assassin combo (inflicted a few though during the pvp preview ages ago), because it's so painfully easy to flip on distortion and kite. True, Distortion can mess up an Assassin, but I think we can expect to see the following skills being used in anticipation of facing Distortion:

Warrior:

Wild Blow (we already see a few A/W builds going around)

Assassin:

Wild Strike - Dagger Mastery (though I think this should be moved to a Lead Attack...makes more sense that way)
Unseen Fury - Shadow Arts (not a bad duration, though it's dependent upon a condition)

There are other combinations I could see, as well. Even something as simple as a really fast, spammable lead attack like Jagged Strike-->Wild Strike. There are ways around Distortion, methinks. You could even go Necro secondary (or bring a Necro buddy along) to use Rigor Mortis.

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Guildless

Mo/

Joined Aug 2005

Mar 28, 2006 at 11:49 PM • #40

*CoughcoughcoughKITEcoughcoughcough*