This Game Has Serious Flaws

What a mess in here...

some regular points...

1) I thought this was a suggestion forum.

2) if he doesn't like aspects of the game, then he doesn't, everyone has opinions.

3) if you reply, don't flame that's a waste of time instead just give your own opinion in a proper way.

4) About that AIM chatlog:
if he actually did say that to you, then he obviously has an anger management problem which is personal.. thus not it would settle with a PM to him about it.
if he didn't say it and you made it up, then you're just flaming and spamming up this topic which is just against the forum rules and worth a ban.

5) this should be locked



as for me:

the community isn't always as good there are so called newbies and noobs out there indeed, live with it, about 85-90% of the time I'm in a PUG they're nice and try to party properly, not everyone is as good as games as other people deal with it.

Monks are needed as a seperate class, as said by others before, every profession has his advantages/disadvantages.
Monks are indeed needed in a party later on, but you need other professions aswel, although a full monk party would be pretty good, it would most likely not win to a well balanced properly played party.

Grinding, I find this game to level quickly compared to other games.. not quickly in comparison to the level but in comparison to the max level.
I don't even look.. at my level to be honest, I've been PvP-ing as lvl 16 with lvl 20 players which worked out fine for me, also getting to lvl 20 doesn't mean the end of the game, by far.

As for Guilds, true there are a lot, I have a guild of my own, which only consists out of me and 2 people I know so far and I'll personaly pick new members because I want to know what kind of members are in my guild. guild capes are pretty cheap, though if you'd want to edit them might be a smaller fee, but later on 2000 is like nothing anymore.
the sigils.. well seeing how I have a guild consisting out of 3 players 50K would be quite a lot of saving up.. and winning it is out of the question but then again who needs a guild hall if you only have 3 players..

heh....someone wanna talk about grinding - go play Star Wars Galaxies

grinded so much i felt like a whetstone

grinding in Guild Wars ? Sorry ,its non-existant compared to SWG

Seconded. I don't care who IM'd who. How rediculous

This is really the worst part of trying to play with people, and it is the players who have caused this grief. I was in a super lame guild that expected everyone to use TS/Vent. They couldn't give two shits about anyone who wasn't using it. I don't want to listen to people talk when I can read much faster, nor do I want to listen to people mumble into the mic. What about deaf/mute players? A few years back, a guy in my Starcraft guild was deaf. Plus, could you imagine how well people would cope with having a *real* girl on their team? No thanks.

You can't even get a tombs group anymore without TS/Vent. I got kicked out of a group for Underworld because I didn't have TS, when it was the leader invited *me* right after I broadcasted my distaste for voice chat. The game has excellent features that allow communication with your team without forcing you to type at all. The player enforced requirement of TS/Vent is just stupid.

And people wonder why I'd rather play with hechmen than real people.

Worst
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I think GW is great,flawed? alittle maybe but not near as bad as you made it out to be.

community ~ My biggest problem with the community is trade spam on the local chat, turning trade off dosen't help a whole lot and I shouldn't have to put mass people on ignore. As for people flaming me or calling me a "noob" I'll avoid him, if it's a mission I'll tell him to stop if he dosen't I'll leave, this dosen't happen much,no big deal really.

difficulty ~ the game is fine as it is,I don't want it to be like Diablo,lol. It can be annoying if you want to get somewhere and get agro (I take sprint and charge) but that's rushing. Ascending was fun Imo.

monks ~ lots of games make you need healers, and I agree with respecting them (don't want to upset the person responsable for keeping me alive). Biggest prob is random arena,when your team has no monk and you end up fighting a team with 2 monks or something.

grind ~ I played necro and mesmer both to 20,at first I was eager to get my level and grinded for it (ginding dosen't bother me). 2nd time I didn't grind at all and got lv20 off missions,the only place where I seemed slighty underleveled were the ascending missions (was lfg as lv17 for abit) wasn't a big deal. If you want a game with grinding try FFXI, FFXI basicly forced you to be in a party,GW you can get henches and FFXI forced you to play certain secondary classes,GW I can play what I want.

It makes me wonder why you even play MMORPG's. Have you ever played Final Fantasy? Do you know how long it takes you to level up in any of those games? You can reach level 20 and ascend in a day if you wanted. It takes you weeks or even months of grinding(and I mean grinding) to reach level 20 in WoW, FF11, or any other online RPG, and you still have 80 more levels to go!! Seriously, you buy an RPG and expect it to be a single-player platform game where you beat it in as little time as possible. This is not the point. It's a relative term-grind free. Relative to all other MMO's, this game is a bolt of lightning. the community is only there if you want it to be. If you don't want to group with kiddies, then don't. Leave the mission, say you're sorry but you want to take your game seriously, and make sure your new group is a serious group. Get into a guild that takes their game seriously. Hell, make a PvP character, join a PvP guild,and do it. It seems that's what you want anyway.


And I have a monk. She's a good little monk. She does her job well. And she has just as hard a time finding a group for a mission as my warrior/monk and my elem/necro. I thought once about charging for my monk's services, but then I came to my senses and found out that it was a stupid thing to do. It would however possibly start a revolution among monks everywhere, and maybe to nerf it Anet would recode Alesia to make her a bit more effective in a fight. Why pay for a player monk when there's a henchman sitting right there? Well, the major reason would be that I actually heal people, on a regular basis. I don't wait for you to get to half health to start healing, because by then you could have been hit with 1-2 criticals and be on your way to Grenth. I heal when you're down to 1/4, and I prefer to keep everyone on my team to 100% at all times, just because it actually saves me energy in the long run.

I will say this if you dont like teamwork your not going to like this game you have to get along with people and be smart about dealing with them to make this game go smoothly. You are at minimum required to team with henchmen to do anything its just part of the game they could add solo areas that were easier i guess but thats not what this game is about.

mabye you should join a guild your feeling left out and your attitude stinks it probably makes the whole experience 10x worse. None of the things you brought up bother me grind is meh almost non existant, groups are smart enough if your civil to them. Balance is better than any other RPG and its really good some minor bugs with balthazars aura made it off a bit but its fixed. You complain about it being to dificult lol its a game if it was easy you would get bored you have to think to solve problems not mindlessly walk into hazards who said you needed to fight everything.

Its to bad my post is so far into this that its probably off topic now ah well.

I agree with the OP on pretty much everything. Only disagreement would be with the Too Difficult part. I find Guild Wars to be braindead easy 95% of the time, then very hard in the last 5%. There's no middle ground. GW is too much of a boring time sink in PVE, and PVP is repetitive thanks to a limited selection of maps.

Still, GW is a very unique game and I'm glad I bought it. I just think it has severe flaws that keep the game from achieving "masterpiece" status. Still a good game and probably the best PC gaming has seen in quite some time. But that's not necessarily saying alot...

Now there is a good Post,I hope someone with some kinda power in GW reads this one,sounds like a great idea. As for the topic starter....Dude,go play EQ and WoW and come back here bitching about Grinding and charachters being un balanced on guild Wars. that post left me with the distinct impression you don't know what your talking about.Seriously lol grinding? you don't know grinding till you have spent a MONTH trying to hit that next lvl...so you can have your 5 new spells or new ability. As for the comments on the whole Community thing,it really isn't that bad,Go check out the people you would be playing DDO (dungeons and Dragons Online) with at thier forums.I was seriously gonna play that game till i met a few of the folks in the forums who were gonna play.Now THEY are rude.

I was in a Tombs group that won a series of battles, and we didn't use TS or vent.

Please close this thread. It's been very anti-suggestive.

There are definitely some things that annoy me about this game.

However.. I've had some AMAZING RPG discussions with people, discussed politics maturely.. and had other meaningful conversations. Missions are hard, it took me a good 8-9 tries to ascend (also an elem) but that is what I LIKE about this game.. it is difficult.

Most other games I play are just too ridiculously easy.. they aren't any fun and you just run around mindlessly collecting weapons/gold or whatever. I find that in this game the fact that it's difficult makes me want to play it more. I try to help people through the impossible ascension missions and shudder at the shiverpeak missions, just glad that they are over.

I find the best thing to do is to only play with people you know ^^; That may be really ridiculous and sad. However, this IS the internet. People are stupidly immature at the best of times.

If they're annoying you THAT much.. just turn off the chats while you're questing and ignore them.

Trading is painful lately. I'm so annoyed with everyone and their outrageous pricing. Forget it.. :/

Overall..? I dunno I'm really happy with this game and I'd have to disagree with you. AS a former diablo 2 player I was really hurting for something like this to come out, that I didn't have to pay for. I'm a uni student and exceedinly poor. So it's nice to play something for little money. If that means all that garbage comes along with it, well.. sorry to say but I'm sort of used to it ^^;;

Bleh, sorry you're having a crappy time. Just don't take it seriously.. the game can be frustrating at times but I dunno. Find the right group and it works out ok right?

im sorry, but your right. i like this game, but i like the fact that your trying to make it better even more.

Ok, this game has a few hiccups, and there are two camps here.

Those that do like playing as is and are happy with the updates that are coming and continue to play for the enjoyment and the nice people they have met, both while questing and in there Guild.

Then there are those that bitch and moan about everything about every game they have ever played. Now this isn't to say this is the case at all, and may just be a select view and is only my opinion, but i sometimes find they have nothing else in there lives for enjoyment and just get frustrated and we hear all about it.

As for me, yes, i have my ups and downs with GW. I also have a few gripes with certain aspects of the game. But you know what, i go off and do other things, play other games, or go and do something in real life. I then come back to this for a bit of fresh air and it's not so bad. I actually start to enjoy it again.

I for one, can't just sit at my PC all day long and play games, as i work on my PC too. I need the break and getting away from GW with all the bitching and whining that goes on, is great.

So, if you don't like it, we don't want to hear about it. We all have our challenges in this world and GW is a way for us to get away and have some fun, for those that enjoy doing it in this manner.

I have 2 characters and i enjoy helping new players to get through quests and missions i have done ample times. Ok, don't always get a thank you or anything, but there are sometimes that this does happen, and that gives you a fuzzy.

Anyway, i'm out of here for something fun as I can't stand anymore bitching and whining.

You know, the original poster was expressing his opinion of the game, which people may or may not agree with, while YOU are making very personal insults rather than actually disagreeing in any intelligent way with his thoughts.

There is no way to prove who wrote the IM exchange, but in this forum it clearly isn't the original poster doing the name-calling, it is you. All I can see is that you are calling him "asshole" and accusing him of "crying when he fails a mission" and so on. Lame.

Your response to his post says far, far more about YOU than it does about him. Bummer for you.



--Nokomis

the thing is THIS IS THE PLACE TO WIHNE ABOUT IT. im sorry, wait, no im not, if you have a problem with the game, the segestion forum is the place to do it, if reading these makes your opinnion of the game any less ( i must admit that some times its a bummer for me ) then go to the chat forum, but this is the forum to gripe about the game.

I'd just like to point out that drawing penises on the minimap never gets old.

I'd have to agree with a lot of your points.

"Worst Community Ever"

I've seen worse... but not by a whole lot. The only reason I can stand some of the missions is cause me and my friend team up with the henchmen and do them by ourselves. Even more annoying, and more common, than the griefers are idiots. And yes, there are a lot of idiots. I have a smiting monk, and every time I join a party, knowing that everyone will think I'm a healer cause of my primary monk profession, I say "I'm a smiter", usually more than once. It is usually followed by one of two things: 1) Me being immediatly booted from the party followed by "Smiters SUCK!" (smiters > you), 2) Entering the mission without getting a healer, and then getting "I'm not getting healed! wtf?! Is anyone getting healed?!" and then I have to 'camly' (about as calmly as anyone can in this situation) explain to them that I'm a smiter and that I told them 50 times beforehand. Also, finding a party at any of the three ascension trials is usually impossible for me... Why? Cause i'm usually no more than level 15 by the time I get there. Then I get moans things saying that I suck, when, in fact, it means I'm better cause high level indicates that you failed previous missions a lot.

"grind wars"

mm hmm... not hard to fix either. remove:
-Skill Points
-Elite Capture System
and make the actual game easier to get through, rather than the mindless BS beforehand.
by the way, want to get to the ascension trials easily? make friends with a skilled ranger.

Well, thank you to all those who make decent replies (Unlike the person who started trolling this thread with the fake chatlogs.) but there are tons of things wrong with this game. You may say that this game doesn't have as much grind compared to other MMORPGs, but I'm not trying to compare it to any others. Simply put this game DOES have much grind. I myself, and many others do find it hard. This game is unnecessarily difficult, just to waste your time, and make you feel that you are getting your value.

For example, EVERY damn quest forces you to travel somewhere VERY FAR from town. You can either A. Spend an hour for every quest, fighting all the way, or running to the location. Most quests are either "Talk to this guy" or "bring me this" or "kill this guy". See a pattern here? Yes, it's all the same, walk to some place, and then click on something, go back for your reward. Just in this game, everything is very far away. Last night I was trying to find another town, surrounded by a horde of monsters. It would have taken me alteast an hour to fight them, and since I'm already lvl 20 I don't get rewarded for it. Things like infusion runs.. the game forces you to run through a huge lvl 5 times to infuse your armor or you can't proceed the game. Name me another RPG where the game makes a plot hole and forces you to repeat a mission 5 times to get all of your armor infused. And don't give me that "Oh you can beat it without infusion" crap.

I think I have to agree with you on the problem with the over importence of monks. It just doesn't seem right that some bosses can litteraly stay alive forever with a team of 8 wailing on them with 4 healing spells. Likewise in pvp situations a team sans monk is at a huge disadvantage regardless of skill or build. Please don't take this as me attacking monks, it's just that I think healing needs to be toned down a bit all across the board. Make characters stronger, give them better defense, or perhaps have other classes have res abilites, not on the same line as monks of course.

Just do something so that teams that can't get a monk, or are unable to find one aren't instantily screwed.

If the grind is so bad, why do so many people who "don't have time to seriously game" have time to post on this forum? I think it's been proven beyond a doubt that Guild Wars has no grind when placed on the online RPG scale.

And as for your gripe about quests: I can't think of any quest in any game that didn't involve walking and monsters. If you really wan't to try something fun, try sneaking past the monsters like the Riverside Province mission. Pretend you're Solid Snake or something. Better yet, go play some Metal Gear Solid.

While all your complaints are valid, they're applicable to all online RPG's. Also, it seems for the majority of them, Guild Wars is not the biggest culprit for these complaints. Immature community? Check Diablo II pub duels. Grind? Nevermind...the topic about grind has been done to death.

Garric, you're playing the wrong genre. Guild Wars is near the mildest brand of grind you will see in an RPG.

Heavens no... quests that force you to explore the world? There should be a portal from Ascalon City to the Ring of Fire island chain! Infusion runs should be completed passively while you traverse this trans-continental gateway! People should all have to bow to your desires, telepathically even, because under no circumstances should you be required to verbally communicate your displeasure or even try to manage these difficult people or even, *gasp* extricate yourself from hopeless idiots.

"But I dun wannnnnnna walk, my virtual legs are sore!"

I suggest you quit now, before you get a stroke from all this stress.

Well, sure, the game has flaws, but only minor ones. ^^. Lets see, Monks are ass-holes, why, you piss them off. if you dont iss off a monk, you wont have a problem. You make it seem like they caused all the problems, do you think about what YOU might have said before? And yes, monks are powerful, they are strong because there are so few of them. if they were weak they would die pretty fast on thier own.

Grinding ( i have no clue WHAt that is)
from what i gather, it is how the EXP gain is to slow, no no, i just think you are bieng a verry impatient person, if you get EXP to fast, or finish the game to fast it gets boring, and when you said something about going somewhere you have been to, ya, in real life im sure that U.S. wont change where the states are when you leave and come back, nope, the states in U.S. will be where you left them.

The game is hard, so that way it doesn't get to boring. just FYI, if you finish a game, 3 times, why would you continue playing it? Verry simple concept my friend.

and guilding, well, i agree with "Manadarthehealer" the guild stuff IS expensive so the guild chips in, i have like 15 people in my guild, we all contributed about 2k-5k each, and we got a guild hall, capes, and then, I PERSONALLY paid them back, ( i thought of it as a loan, they said that it was for the guild, but i paid them all back regardless) money is not that hard to get, go fighting on your own ( if you can) and get items, sell them, get money on the floor, sell items for less ( fur square = 100 gold) you well get money pretty fast, i think you are just a bit spoiled, and a bit impatiend. and as for the enis on the minimap... who cares? when they die, leave them, and like Manadarthehealer, i have yet to run into jerks, i mean sure, they aren't the nicest in the world, but hey, they aren't asses either. ^^. i think you exaggerate a lil to much.

-Templar Valkrye

P.S. Manadarthehealer, who is that on your icon, Furion Stormrage?

The trick is to draw a properly proportioned figure on the minimap while the party is on the run... a penis? a giant oval with a small line at one end, no talent needed.

Thank you for that post, very informative and as a result I have increased my in-game ignore list by one.

I wasn't included??? Cuz I don't draw pencils, wa ha (censoring myself now for my own mental health).

I don't really get the grind, but I openly admit that I'm not yet at the areas where most people say they're frustrated with the grind.

But in relation to the complaint about quest distances and themes I ask this. Look at what I've proposed for distances and themes and then try to add a new one to the list.

Distances:
Go somewhere in town
Go out the gate
Go somewhere a tad distant
Go somewhere far away

Themes:
--Speak to somebody:
carry a message/object to be delivered

--Kill somebody/something
free a town
dispose of a threat
push back invaders
cleans an area
destroy an object

--find somebody/something
locate object/person and return it to safety
do a gauntlet run to a specified place

--protect somebody/something
maintain somebody's life during a timer
maintain somebody's life for a distance

Although people could no doubt think of objectives and goals that aren't listed here, can you think of a category that's not listed here? Pretty much anything we can do in an RPG game or even a game in general comes down to speak, kill, find and protect.

-well Garric. the game has flaws (as all games do).
-from what youve explained. you just havent been so lucky with the community. there will always be a few "bad apples" (as in all games do).
but im sure youve met good ones as well.
-i guess you really just have to screen ppl out before you group with them. from what you explained about those "guild" ppl. they shouldnt even be in a guild. if they act that way. sheesh. but i guess if their main purpose was to act all badazz w/ a cape. that's their choice.

-personally i solo more than 50% of the time. I interact with the community only when i need to. i dont bother anyone and no one bothers me. its all good.hehe

-my only main flaw about this game is----the lost/stuck henchies.period.

so, Garric hope you feel differently when the 1st expansion comes out and continue with it, and just try to stay away / ignore those immature ppl, its alot more enjoyable playing the game w/o stressin'.

-cheers.

At the point of that last line appearing in your post, I stopped reading. Blanket statements like that do not foster effective communication from those who may agree or disagree, at least not where I come from. It's like saying all women should clean house.

Personally, I am wondering if you have played anything else MMO but this. I came to this game from Lineage II, and let me tell you, I would endure ANY game mechanic failure to avoid the ganking bullshit. I had a level 40 character, a guild of 30 people, and I continuously encountered people who would kill me and say:

"I did not kill you for the competitive nature of the game, I did so because you are a newbie, and I wanted the off chance that by you dying you would drop something from your inventory you really really worked hard to attain, just to have it and you don't."

That kinda shit DAILY.

I think the worst game communities are the one's where the game dies out.

I fully understand the problem. I played MTW/RTW in a clan with 50% real girls, and there were no way we would have accepted TS/ Vent. There are plenty of alternatives, + the more you play with the same people, the less you need to talk. On top of that, members are from all over the world; and not everyone is able to understand spoken English in a hurry; written messages are easier to interpret for many... No silly accent problem.
And MTW/RTW does not have half the feature for fast communication GW has.

That kind of pre conceived idea (not taking ppl who don't have TS, or who play a class that is deemed inferior...) is a kind of a pain...

As far as communication goes... Maybe a few change in the minimap could prove helpful. It can be made better, with more information displayed on it.

First, I'd like to have teamplayers with slightly different shades, so that I know who is dark blue versus light blue... I got anonymous dots, and would appreciate to differenciate them a bit in a visual way on the minimap.

Second, maybe displaying spell being cast on the minimap? As a small symbol on the map just above the dot?

If that is already possible, I'd sure appreciate to know how to do it

Good luck and have fun,

Louis,

Ugh, oh how I hate talk to people like you. Name me another good RPG that forces you to do EVERY quest by walking 10 miles into the desert, fighting the same enemies (Since the map isn't a random map.). Those fights are tedious and boring, you've done them already, except now you have to do it again since you have to do a quest. I'm not saying make all the quests easy, I'm saying that the quests are stupid, repetative, wastes of time, since you must do the same thing in them (kill, find, bring back.). As if the devs specifically made the world huge just so they could stick in a bunch of quests that forced you to go as far as you could in different directions from town so you could "explore the map". Let me tell you, me, and all of my friends, after a week of playing, didn't want to "do" the quests anymore since they were so stupid and long, so we just ran to the green dot on the screen to get XP and skills.

Which would explain why my post wasn't responded to. Reason takes time

I have just one point of view about the topic of walking to complete quests. I know it's probably been brought up before, but honestly. Try playing WoW, Ultima Online (back in the day), EQ, etc. You have to walk -everywhere-. You can't warp back to town like we can in GW. Personally, I'm thankful that we can warp from town to town...Imagine having guildmates in Amnoon Oasis and you're in Lion's Arch and they want you to join them for a quest or mission or something and you have to travel from Lion's Arch to Amnoon Oasis on foot.

Honestly. The game is not even that old. Of course there are a few flaws here and there, but that is what updates and expansions are for. I paid my money for this game so I can have fun. I enjoy games like this, it kind of reminds me of NWN and D2 all in one. And, after all is said and done, it's just a game, meant for entertainment. If people don't have fun playing, then as others have said, this isn't the right game for them.

Just out of interest, if you don't want quests which involve, "Talk Walk Fight Talk Fight Walk Reward" ... then what would you like? I mean, the whole bases of this game is a storyline. To find out information and the story you need to talk to people.

Don't understand why you have to moan about a game that you don't like. If you don't like it, make your own. I always feel bad for people who developed the game if they see stuff like this. They worked so hard to try and bring you everything they think you want. Come on, this MMORPG has some really strong points. Seems when you moan you just throw it back in their faces. Beggars can't be choosers.

I like your points and sadly can commiserate on many of them. Here are my practical responses that give me stress free gaming



The Worst Community Ever

Its the Internet. People will act stupid/immature because they feel there are no repurcussions.Theres no monthly fee so a lot of young people play.
What do you get when you have young people that feel they can get away with anything? You have the Internet Community. It is pandemic to anything Internet related
So what can you do? Find cool people and add them to your friends list. Only play with these people. Make a guild of these cool people
This is oversimplistic, but amazingly it works. It will require work (thoughtful socialization and paying attention) on your part. Sorry if this may be too hard or time consuming. You get what you put in.









Monk Class Flaws:
This isnt a flaw in the game mechanic. In all games you need damage dealers and damage mitigators. Amazingly EVERY SINGLE PROFESSION in guildwars is capable of doing either or both AT THE SAME TIME. The problem you site, is a people problem.
See the previous "solution" above.


Huge Grind
Heh this one is a sticky situation indeed. For my hardcore PVP players friends out there, its a very sensitive topic. The only thing I can say to them is, ANet never hid the fact how the system was going to be. They guranteed you could be competitive without grinding and this is ABSOLUTELY TRUE. However, if you got dedication and time you can aquire tools(skills,gear..etc) to make competing easier. I still believe that this is optional. I take great pride in makeing groups and beating other players with "scrub n00b skills" and "damn premade" builds.

A lot of good friends overreacted and left because they got a taste of Guildwars potential in the Alpha and Beta but now realize they dont want to spend the time to get that potential back. Its cool, no hard feelings see ya'll in Battlefield 2

If you're complaining about the "grind" in RP, I wont even grace that with a response.







Too Difficult
I agree the game is hard. I disagree that there is no solution to the difficulty level.
Simple answer is group with real human beings. However,I know of several people that are masters of henchmen wrangling and handily "solved" this installment of the game without aid



Guilding
Yes stuff is expensive. Yes there is inflation in this economy. Whats your solution to solve inflation? There are some people in Washinton DC that really need to talk to you
Regarding sigils, have you ever considered actually competeing for a sigil instead of farming money to buy one?


If you are stressing over this game on your free time, then you need to take a break.
Meet some real human beings , talk them into playing with you. I've got a feeling though, if you find some cool people, you'll have much better choices to spend your time than a silly video game. Good job my friend, you've won Life.

To the original poster: No. Now to find out what a bad community really is like go play Lineage 2. I hope you dont mind getting ganked.

To the OP:

Never has an online game made it so easy to avoid people you don't get on with.

If you are running in to arguments all the time then odds are you need to look at your own attitude. As a monk, the worst types to get grouped with are not the youngsters doodling on the map, but the santimonious self-proclaimed experts who insist they know your job better than you do and complain everytime you make a value decision to let them die and keep someone else afloat with your badly depleted energy.

Your points are well put nonetheless. Chill out, relax, and remember its only a game. Help peeps and you generally get good responses. I have had a lot of excellent random grouping in this game. Sure I've had a couple of bad ones, but c'est la vie; once you and your guild m8s have ascended you'll spend very little time in random groups.

Sorry if I've repeated any1 elses points

I don't get this attitude that one should NOT criticize this game. Huh? The OP is right, this game DOES have flaws, and there is nothing wrong at all with pointing them out. Gods forbid anyone should actually THINK about the game and ways to improve it...let's just walk around looking blissed out and say it is all swell...

I bet you also think anyone who criticizes the President is unpatriotic, don't you.

Many people have agreed that there are flaws. Take a look.

I'm going to have to side with Garric on this specific argument although I disagree with his opening statements in this thread.

The most likely explanation is that some third party saw this as the perfect opportunity to make more trouble. Heck why not, MCS makes his AIM ID clearly available and it wouldn't take any effort by someone to stir up the pot and start this argument. After all, no repercussions as someone already said.

Can't we just lock this tread and get on with our lives??? Sure, Garric, GW has flaws and isn't perfect and I do respect your opinion but please, can't we just lock this thread?