This Game Has Serious Flaws

No offence, but you people who complain about timing and how long things take have never played EQ

I dunno, for me this game is fantastic, lol. Right before I left EQ2 I was playing Guild Wars while camping a rare mob with my former guild in another window at the same time, haha.

There are no spawns in this game to steal, or to camp. No grinding for hours on end. My main character had about 70 days play time (yes, thats DAYS) in EQ2, while my characters time in Guild Wars is counted in hours.

Okay, I'll stop gushing


Edit: Wait, wait.

How I agree. When I played FFXI it took over a half hour to WALK (or Chocobo!) to places... Unless you spent a lot of time playing and unlocked all the airships, which still took a good 5-10 minutes per trip.

7 tries to kill your mirror. well the game is supose to be challenging.. not some game you pass in a few hours, just to think to yourself.. why did i buy such an easy game. ive died 46 times trying to kill a super healing boss and his minons.. but trial and error i guess. thats what i love :-)

Huh? Why would having 'real girls' be a reason to not accept TS/vent within your clan? I'm a bit confused.

Maybe the 'real girls' were male after all, but didnt want you to know?

Something about jealous hubby not playing and some online sex practices...

Furthermore... We're an international clan, for many members, writing/reading or using in game interface for message was a lot easier than teamspeak.

Louis,

Now I'm more confused... the jealous hubby lets them play GW, but doesnt let them use a voice chat interface where he could actually hear every word and confirm it is not sex-related (as opposed to text?)

If there are some online sex practices, I doubt they depend on using voicechat or not... and I still think your real girls werent real girls after all. That argument just doesnt make much sense to me, heh.

Thats a valid argument and one that I understand entirely. However, I was only confused about 'having real girls' being a reason against voicechat. I understand there are other good points against it, but the girls one just doesnt make any sense to me.

To orignal poster:

How dare you say something bad about this game! If you have ever played it you would know that it is the greatest game ever and there are absolutley no flaws in it. You are just a whining noob. How dare you have a different opinion from the rest of the fanboy's on these forums?!

ditto :P

I agree. The game is about team work. Most people don;t even understand the fendamentrakls of team play. If you think Monk are jackasses, I meet Tanks who were equally stupid 10:1 ratio.

The game ist that hard. It's all team work:

1. Call targets (preferably Rangers or tanks)
3. Everyone attack the same target
2. Follow the leader
3. Pull enemies toward you (preferrably Rangers)
4. Never wonder off alone
5. Don't aggro

These simple guide line can make the game easy. If you don't folow them the game will be almost impossible. Good teamwork is needed. Make sure your team has spells to compliment each other. For instance, Necromancer Blood Well, Elemenist Ward Against Melee, and Monk Balthazar's Aura. Just those 3 spells would ensure victory in almost any PvE mission.

So when picking team make sure everyone 's spells complememnts each other.

Lol this argument is like complaining that their is porn on the internet
Who knew? Get used to the fact that there are morons in this game; there are morons abundant in life too!
"The hardest thing to accept is the fact that you are the only one that can get yourself angry" : My Grandpa said that

Your grandfather is an intelligent man.

Yeah.....you are right about some stuff, but i still like the game but there are a lot of people in it that show no respect to other players at all. i started with a ranger monk so i have almost all monk skills.i desided to make a pvp monk and it aint hard to find a party then unlike with my ranger. I think i am doing a good job as a monk aslong as they dont drain my energy wich happens a lot...then i cant heal anyone and they start calling me a noob and other names and stuff. i just ignore them coz they are the ones who think they are he best out there but they dont even know that someone can be drained out of energy. and there are other things like that. ones someone reaches lvl 20 they start to think they are better then someone else. but most of the time they are not.....the are just ******** .... cant say that here. the best way to enjoy is to do things whit youre own guild members. atleast they show respect and you can tell them why things went wrong so they can support u next time

Okay Garric and Co. you have a serious dis-advantage here. Your're outnumbered and outnumbered by people with good vocabularies! I think this is the first fourm where I've seen true enough in the proper context and without removed e's or added f's (tru enuf). Also since your outnumbered you should and still can make it all easier. Conform to peer pressure! I do it all the time at school and it gives you a hollow sense of pride! It's awesome. All the cool me's do it.

lol

While you do bring up a few good points Garric, manily about the crappeness of the community, you have some seriously flawed arguments.

First you bring up monks/healers with *****y attitudes. This is usally caused by a lack of good groups and bad groups blaming the monk for the stupidity leading to there death (althrough there are some just plain sucky healers out there). The monks are also mad because they have reached a mission that they cant figuire out how to do with henchies.

Next you mention that there is serious grind. As others in this thread have stated when compared to othe online games there is little grind.

You also say that this game is too hard. This is a horrible lie. I beat the game in about 60 hours of play using a combination of henchies and humans. Teamwork is what makes this game easy or hard. If you dont no what teamwork is well then you should probably go and play Starcraft or an FPS.

honestly garric stop complaining. i dont kno why im typing this seeing as your type will just say that im a pompus beurocrat or somthing but im typing it anyway. did u every come to realize that the community u complain about sounds an awful lot like you? sure the snotty monk says he wont heal u, but then u flame the monk! how convientiently u left the last part out! if u got a problem witht the game, please stop playing. i really wont mind.

I know!
Garric should go play 'The Sims (1 or 2)'!
Or maybe he should play 'Dynasty Warrior'!Oh wait, that isnt RPG.........
If he puts the same amount of effort on learning programming instead of ranting,he might become the next Sid Meier~~~:b
This game is the first of its kind,so expect flaws.

LOL. Good one. That is pretty much spot-on mockery of what many here post.

--Nokomis

I believe many women playing online games don't choose to use voice chat because the mere sound of a female voice triggers the less mature adolescent males in the game to start uttering moronic pick-up lines and worse. Seriously. They hear a female voice and WHAM....they try to start an online nookie session right there in the middle of a mission. With a complete stranger. It is beyond pathetic. MOST guys wouldn't do this, I know, but believe me, it happens to female gamers of all ages. :-( Every female gamer I know is reluctant to use voice chat in an online game unless only playing with people she knows. And most of us hide our gender at least half the time.

--Nokomis

That is possible, though I have never experienced it. However, I found it odd in the case mentioned because Louis said having female players was a reason against using team chat among guild members in his guild. I doubt their guildmates would have harassed those women. Which is why the argument made no sense to me.

I have never experienced any problems maybe because I am pretty picky who I use TS with. I dont use it for any PvE, except -maybe- for underworld / fissure if the group seems mature and experienced. If they have no clue what they are doing, TS doesnt fix a thing, and using it is pointless.

The reaction I usually get is interrupted sentences followed by surprised silence as soon as I say something for the first time, but so far I havent heard any comments whatsoever. If I ever get an immature stupid comment, I'll tell them thank you for letting me know I'd be better off in another group.

I know I'm derailing the thread, but it was another of those flame-fests with endlessly echoed arguments anyway.

I'd just like to say... You don't need a primary monk for the PvE missions. You really don't.

I've done Ring of Fire and Hell's Precipice (last 2 missions in the game) with either no monk, or in a party where our monk had to leave or got d/c. Your party just needs to know how to work together and be organized. Also packing self heals doesn't hurt either, and I find the seeming over-reliance on monks is because people just don't know how the hell to keep themselves and their team alive, using *gasp* strategy!

This game is only hard if you don't know how to use the skills available to you, effectively. It's a skill-based game, and it was even advertised as such.

Ok... I have skimmed through this thread and all that comes into my eyes are Garric VS MCS little fray.

Well, I aint here to flame this conflict further on. All I have got to say to both GW players is that...

To Garric: if you don't like this game, which seems to be the case, why not try other games out? This game obviously does not suit your taste.. and it seems silly how you come back to this GW forum (the game which you aren't satisfied with) and pin back flaming replies back at MCS. If you do not like the game, there isn't a single reason why you should visit this forum.

To MCS: with all due respect, which I have gathered from your post on "100k+ trading" which is some spectacular idea, I am tentatively sensing an equally immature part of your replies.. I understand your discontentment towards Garric for posting a very very long, and somewhat "whinning" thread, however, there seems very little reason behind typing out the entire conversation you supposedly had with Garric via an online chatting system. I trust that you were in a bad mood..

Well, my comment ends here. Just have fun with w/e game, leisure, activities you choose to pursuit. If you do not like it, why struggly to like it or hate it? I personally enjoy this game very much and I hope all the other GW players are feeling the same.

Garric, this might help you out:

"God grant me the strength to change the things I can, and the courage to embrace the things that I can't"

Your reference comparing Diablo II to Guild Wars isn't ver good. D2 has 99 levels meaning you SHOULD be able to kill things at a faster pace than guild wars, otherwise it would take forever (xp gets to the billions). Also, referring to "Huge Grind" section, you arent supposed ot get lvl 20 right away. If you havent noticed, there are a LOT of mission and if oyu get like lvl 20 by like The Wilds, it might take some of the fun factor away form the game with being the same lvl throughout the whole game.

Just my 2 cents

EDIT: To the EQ player, I know what oyu feel like lvl 50 takes like 5 hours to get 1 blue bubble . But thats why i quit those addictive MMORPG games...too much out of your life. I find Guild Wars MUCH less addictive, but im not saying it isnt

I read the thread and after seeing the op's replies I can see why people in his groups do not like him. He is quick to get angry and quick to throw insults. There is a pattern to the worse community ever and his replies.


As for grind and not trying to compare to other games.
If your not comparing it to other games then what is grind? You cannot measure anything if you have no bases of measurement.


Taking a long time to get to level 20?
With my first character I got to level 20 in 43 hours. I reached 20 shortly after finishing Elona Reach. My other Character was level 20 in a fraction of that time.


For the difficulty of this game.
Are we playing the same game? This game is skill based. If you have skill you will be good at this game. If your finding the pve hard you do not know enough about the game, there for your lacking in skill.


Monk problem
I think this goes back to my first statement. It seems your an ass to people so you get treated the same back and start to cry about it. You said you understand that monks hate to hear rez please but then you say, "a monk didn't rez you when you asked for a rez"


Henchies are there for a reason use them. You do not need a monk for missions. If you really think they are that hard bring the healer henchie.


You have the right to your opinion of course but a lot of the things you complain about, seem to me you only have yourself to blame.

Also, did you know you can win sigils? You don't NEED to buy them.

WHERE?!?!?!

I don't know if the EULA covers postings on this forum, but doesn't it say some where in the GW EULA that the posting of other peoples identities is not allowed?

How do you know it's not some imposter?

I like how people ruin the game for themselves and then blame the game itself.

And now he's complaining about grind and it taking too long to get to lvl 20. In a week he'll be posting about how the game is too short and there's nothing to do after 20.

Don't give me all this grind crap, I beat all the missions, got to 20, explored a bunch, ran some people to Droknars, and spent a bunch of time in the Ascalon arena with my warrior (Back when it gave XP). All of this took me an amazing 18 hours.

My Mesmer is now level 12, has played for 12 hours, and is at Divinity Coast. She has also accumulated around 2000 faction points from the arena.

I don't think that's a horrible grind considering I never once killed a monster without the intention of either doing a quest for skills or a mission (an occasional normal quest because I was bored). I think you just need to learn how to do things in a timely fashion, it makes the game a lot more interesting.

Sigh...agreed.

True or they'll be one, but an offensive one. What a genius to give monks offensive abilities in a game that makes the monk the high note of a party.

Read above. I agree.

Agreed.

Agreed. You want armor, you have to kill enemies for money and compenents. If you want skills from the skills merchant, you have to level up. If you want to get to a new area, you have to fight wave after wave of monsters.

I disagree with the long time to level up. You level fast up within a week...until you reach level 15 then it becomes very hard to gain XP, but yet still it doesn't take a short amount of time to get leveled up.

Agreed. It stop become fun after a while. Killing a monster became a job instead.

You better not say that or the fanboys will...*read the past posts* ...nevermind.

<i>Even the easiest of quests require you to kill a horde of monsters that you have already killed in previous quests. It took me 57 hours to reach LVL 20 on my first time through the game (Hopefully it will be my last), and I'm only around ~3/5ths done. </i>

The fast anyone has been through this game is 24 hours.

True except for the henchnment part, combined with high HP monsters (that came in groups of 7 to 10), Idiot players (or bad AI from mercs) and players who abandon the quest after getting the bonus, getting a mission done can sometimes take 2 to 5 tries.

hmm ya...the grind isnt bad?? just do the missions urll get there, and the acension mission, yes for some people it is very hard, but i mean isnt it suppose to be ?!?! it makes u auto 20 if a mission makes u auto 20 it should be really hard. it does have some flaws, like it needs some more things to do/gold sinks, more social interaction type things, more stuff in guild hall ya, but its still fun right?

Actually there is a sound for private messages its a little disguised though.



I didn't even bother to read the whole first message before realising this guy is used to being lvl 1 million and has no skill in these types of things, just massive levels

I just restarted my subscription to EQ2 again. Playing it again makes me realise just how much GW is not a current day MMORPG.
In EQ2 i will farm a group of creatures in a area and actually enjoy it, something that GW didn't seem to offer. Bumping into another player, teaming up for a few hours for a game. Soo much more laid back and less stress full.
In GW there is no solo anywhere, it has not been designed for it. The whole game is based on Hack / slash in a group. The Towns are chat rooms. The game seems to be Get group rush, do mission quest, disband, rinse and repeat.
The story is lame after your first time through.
The community is actually good, and I never had any issues with it, neither did I have any issues with guilds.
The PvP is actually the best bit, but I prefer RPG and GW is in short supply of it.
Hopefully it will improve with age.
When they release the new areas in the fall I shall return to check them out.
As for all the "It's too hard" cry's. It is far from hard, the only thing it is, is frustrating, having to repeat the same old again and again.
The first 1/3 of the game can be done with henchies exclusively, the mid section only really requires a team for the missions. The last 1/3 requires teams to go everywhere.

I am sure you can knit pick at what I have said, I can too, it is a gereralisation.
I enjoyed the game, but it lacks substance as a RPG, in the current MMORPG market.
Monthly fees are actually not a great deal, £10 or $15 is not alot, you spend more than that on junk in a month and it certianly doesn't last you as long.

Bad Players? Find a guild, play with friends, or use henchmen. I have rarely had problems with other players and I'm a Monk, so I'm supposed to get yelled at.

Monks? I don't find that being a Monk is tedious, unless I'm in one of the earlier missions, but then I just bring a few offensive spells to pass the time. Sure, Monks are a necessary component of a high-end group. How else would they do it? If Monks weren't necessary, then that means that the mobs aren't hard enough for you to need healing. Then the game would not be challenging or interesting.

Grinding? On one character, I only played missions and quests that grant skills. I was 17 by the time I hit the Ascension missions. I was most certainly not overleved. I also didn't need to grind much. It's not difficult to afford the best armor in the game, without grinding at all. Spending 30 minutes in the desert will give you enough collector items to get the best caster weapons/foci in the game.

Too Difficult? The game is a piece of cake up until the Ascension missions. Even then, it's not difficult, you just have to learn how to pull a single group of mobs. The difficult parts are mostly in the Ring of Fire, Fissure of Woe, and Underworld. I think that those places should be difficult and challenging. If it wasn't difficult, then PvE would be pretty crappy.

Guilds? Guild Halls don't really serve a purpose unless you've got a guild large enough to do GvG. Once your guild gets that large, the cost will be split between a dozen or more people.

My problems with the game involve not having enough PvE or PvP content. We need more missions and towns that are like FoW or UW. We need missions that introduce interesting gameplay dynamics, like Dragon's Lair did. We need more PvP game types. Still, the PvE game lasts for 40+ hours, which isn't bad, and PvP is practically limitless.

Wow guys. Just wow. I've seen this thread time and time again. I have always assumed it was nothing but a mad ranting session but seeing how it's been going so long and hasn't been shut down I thought I'd take a peek. What a mistake that was.
I think what alot of people need to do here is learn to agree to disagree. The games not for all. Some will like it, some won't. Some will love it, some will loath it.
The forums are a place in which we should all be able to express our opinions without the fear of being flmed like crazy.
I'll agree that the discussion did start with a rather hostile opening but we should all know what happens when you meet hostility with more hostility. If not just sit down and re-read this thread.
Rather then attacking each other like crazy (There ae some exceptions but most of these posts are targeting players as much as the topic you should discuss with each other what you don't like about the game. Telling a player to get the hell out isn't a very constructive aproach.
If guild wars isn't the game for someone they'll eventually leave of their own accord anway. There's no need fo all of this.

Personally myeslf I've had some very bad off days with people in the community but after playing around for a while i've met some really great players. We meet up and tackle to tombs together, and have a good laugh at each other.
There was a particularly Nasty incident in my guild at one stage where I refused to buy a sigil saying I'd rather have the guild earn it. That didn't turn out well. i'll spare the details and say that most of my origianl guild members are now long gone.
I've had carefully organsied groups fall to pieces because there's been 2 palyers ignoreing everything being discussed because they don't think it applies to them (Desert misisons!)
I've gone beserk at bugs preventing me from completing missions too. there are defintly flaws in the game.
However I'm one of the people that belive the pros outweigh the cons. Guild wars reminds me more of a tacticle squad based game rather then an RPG. Skills that counter other skills, trying to create a well balanced team, quick comunication and reactions to your envirment. I do quite enjoy it.
I can see how this isn't everyones cup of tea but ranting agressivly at each other isn't going to solve anything.
By all means express your feelings but please try to do it in a civil manner.

If he or anyone he were to use henchmen often (which people do), that's a clear sign that GW community has a bad community. People only pick henchmen because they don't bitch.

And for finding a good guild. I've been in several guilds now and all of them promise to help you or pvp often. After join with many of those groups, I find that half the members have been on for weeks to months and the people who say they are going to help out also disappear for a couple of days to week. It's almost impossible to catch them while they are on.

And you'll meet good players as you play, but they are so very few and they may not stay long enough for you to add them to your friends and like your guildmates, it's hard to catch them while they are on.

One of the reasons players find it hard to work with anyone is because this game lacks the option to set up groups, find others players your level and/or having henchmen available to them.

These three statements right here contradict each other. If you can breeze through the game, get the best armor later on in the game and you have to make it to near end-game get to get a challenge then this game isn't all that hard. All three statements are a failed attempt to make this game seem recognize as a hard game. And doesn't FoW and UW have a pvp aspect?

Actually, to get from one new area to the other, you are required to grinding. As you run to the new area, monsters will try to fight you. As I said in the last topic, 5 out of 6 class can attack at a distance. Most of the monsters were shamelessly given attacks and spell similar to their class counter parts. Because 5 out of 6 of those monsters can attack at a distance, they pursue you all over the map, chain aggroing their original group and other groups they come across. So you are force to kill every group you come across to prevent a calamity.

Now as for missions and quests, they are a grind all in themselves. As I said in the last topic, you can easily chain aggro 10 to 20 monsters. Out of those 10 to 20 monsters, they are going to drops something. The reason people have a lot of money after doing quests and mission is because the monster drop a lot junk, which what I said in my review. 70% of the time you find yourself in front a merchant selling stuff you can't even use. Majority of this stuff junk, especially to the warrior.

The upside of grinding in this game is that if you are warrior and you get access to the Ascalon Armor set in post-searing, it makes the majority of the monsters in this game easy to fight because Ascalon armor reduces damage from attacks. Some of the monsters can only do damage to through DOTs or Spike damage. Where as those who don't use Ascalon Armor die quicker than I do.

Jeezus people, if you hate the game so damn much, quit!

I think we need to keep in mind that this game is really still in its infacy stages with updates and proposed expansions coming all the time. It has nowhere to go but up and being a "free to play" online game I personally cant really find a lot to complain about. With some dedicated player guidance there remains a lot of potential here for this to grow into something really good.

Isis

Goodness. I thought that this forum, and others, encouraged the civilized expression of opinion, both positive and negative. I'm fairly new at GW... having a ball at the moment, but am a henchie/solo loner and dreading the later areas where I will no longer be able to play... so I read everyone's opinions. Garric expressed himself very well, civilly and without personal animous. Which is more than I can say about all too many in this thread who launched into personal attacks against him.

So now it's Garric who is banned? That really bothers me. I can only hope that his banning was due to outrageous behavior somewhere else, because if he was banned because of his well thought-out, if somewhat controversial, opinions stated here, then I for one am going to keep my mouth shut from this moment on. Very distressing.

I don't think we've been reading the same thread, sir/madam.

He didn't personally attack anyone as far as I've seen and I won't blame him if he did since most people flamed him first.

It's madam. Yes, he got a bit perturbed at the personal attacks and what he claimed was an attempt to "frame" him with a dubious cut-and-paste conversation. But what I read was a long, detailed explanation of his personal views of the game itself, followed by intense personal insult by some... not all by any means... posters.

If I missed a bannable offense by Garric in this thread, please point it out to me and I will publicly apologize for having missed it.

I still dont understand people who criticise GW and try to compare it to WoW. OBVIOUSLY, GW is BETTER than WoW... First the graphics are one word: 'Amazing'. It has a much better graphics engine and has better musics by my part. Besides all these, let me tell you, if you're gonna try to get in WoW right now, you are doomed to suck as everybody is like lvl60 right now... It's not the case with Guild Wars because the game is much more BALANCED in every term than WoW. And pls don't forget the x factor: GW is free. You can call me cheapskeat or whatever u want but i pay nothing and i get to play a much better game than WoW can ever be. This is the truth my friends as it is. You don't have to be Elminster The Sage to know that "free+better>not free+bad". So please stop criticising GW and pls give the credit to GW team. I am glad to be a GW player and looking forward to the new chapter. (btw you guys, you guys ever get anything new other than new crappy-graphic new monsters in your WoW hills? LOL)...