This Game Has Serious Flaws

Originally Posted by DiAnna

It's madam.

If I missed a bannable offense by Garric in this thread, please point it out to me and I will publicly apologize for having missed it.

Originally Posted by crazy diamond

FYI, I took it off. Like I said, it defeats the whole purpose. I dislike your unnecesary pessimism and negativity towards everything, and would honestly rather not bother with you. You realy aren't worth arguing with. But, if I must know you said something, I'd rather know what it was.

Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

These three statements right here contradict each other. If you can breeze through the game, get the best armor later on in the game and you have to make it to near end-game get to get a challenge then this game isn't all that hard. All three statements are a failed attempt to make this game seem recognize as a hard game. And doesn't FoW and UW have a pvp aspect?

Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

I've played since beta and people can get down right critical about anything from missions, quests or pvp. It's hard to find people because are looking for specific combinations, specific class, specific groups or specific levels. A level 16 warrior is not going to enlist a level 8 monk into his group. A level 15 Elementalist is not going to stay in a mission, he has already done and will drop out after doing the bonus. And list goes on and on.

I'm sorry you haven't experience any of this, but your claim doesn't moot the point made by posters on this board, chatroom and other forums that are GW related.

Originally Posted by theclam

Let me clarify it for you. The game is hard without Monks (starting about when you get into the Northern Shiverpeaks). The game is easy with Monks, up until the Ascension missions. Since 90% of the time, you'll have a Monk (be it Alesia or a PC), the game is easy up until the Ascension missions, when it becomes challenging.

Originally Posted by theclam

FoW and UW have a PvP aspect, but you are in no way required to do PvP in order to go there.

Originally Posted by theclam

I don't understand. The only new areas that you are required to get to are destinations of quests or missions in the main story line (yes, I count the 3 desert missions as part of a "quest," because the NPCs tell you about them, even though it isn't in your quest log). Is it grinding to be expected to fight your way through quests and missions?

Originally Posted by theclam

If you're careful, you won't chain aggro 10-20 monsters. Plus, the 10-20 mob fights are the most fun, especially when you just barely beat them. Is it grinding to fight mobs in this game?

Originally Posted by theclam

As for the drops, majority of the stuff is junk to most of the classes. You can't make everything useful to everyone, when different classes want different types of items. Is it grinding when you don't get good gear in every mission?

Originally Posted by Dudededu

I never have this problem. Ive done all misions with just henchies and its just as easy as with a non-NPC group.

Originally Posted by quanzong

Why they upgrading Stefan? It should be Little Thom that needs upgrade, Stefan lasts for long time whenever I use him, he knows how to use Healing Signet unlike Little Thom.

Originally Posted by arnansnow

The one that needs upgrading is Dunham. No good skills at all. Does anyone use him?

Originally Posted by Dudededu

Nor do their post moot mine.

Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

Actually, it does because they are a lot more eye witness accounts of of henchmen messing up then not messing up.

Originally Posted by Dudededu

I like how you say that as an absolute, dissregarding the possibility that they are causing the problems themselves or they are just whinning.

Originally Posted by CaptainGuru

There is no way and no how screw up a henchmen. Henchnmen do their own stuff and they have their own A.Is. You can't make the henchmen do anything they don't want so can stop with the other player must be messing her up. Henchmen respond how they were program.

I have peronsal eye witness account of Alesia healing when other team members were around 50% or below health. She wouldn't res until other team members until she was near death, she has no condition or hex removers, which is why she die fast when their a npc mesmer in the group. The list goes on and on.

I BET you right now if I went my other forum and post about a topic about what's wrong with Alesia, they would name a good number of reasons why she is unreliable. So yes, their opinion matter, you are wrong and nothing can be applied vice versa. If you lack of trouble it probably has to do with your class as I find certain player classes have a hard time keeping their hencmen alive. (A monk has a better chance of keeping his henchmen alive than a warrior)

Originally Posted by Garric

And I don't think I'll be getting an expansion pack. This might be a long post so bear with me.

First I'll start out what's good about this game: No montly fee. This is great, because when I quit this game, I won't have wasted more money than I should have. Skill based. There are no potions or instant spells that own everyone. There's a lot of skill involved. Good gfx, nuff said. No PVP ganking. I can go do an area or mission without being ganked by a guy 10 lvls higher than you calling you a noob and killing you with one hit.

But this game has some very serious flaws that some people need to consider, many things that are wrong with this game, things that are built into the game and can not be fixed.

The Worst Community Ever

Imagine World of Warcraft, except worse. Since there's no montly fee, it attracts a lot of "cheap skates" if you will. Those lamers that played Diablo II all the way from 2001 to 2005 are now here. I can't stand this community, especially the guilds. I have so many stories that are quite funny, but make me cry on the inside.

One time I was doing a mission, half of the people were in a guild, 2 of them were not. We got to the very end of the mission, and one of the guys was aggroing groups and just wasting time, so I told him to "please stop". One of his guild mates was holding a crystal that you needed to finish the mission, and told me to "say 'I want to suck <name>'s balls' or we won't finish the mission for you". Ofcourse I wouldn't say something like that, resigning to a 12 year old. Lucky for me, there was also a countdown timer, and they held the crystal and wouldn't finish the mission, wasting 20 minutes before he finally ran the crystal in.

One time I was doing a mission, also one with a guild, me being the only one without a guild. One guy had a vampiric sword, and they told me to switch all of my elementalist skills out for monk skills before the mission started so I could heal them. I asked him to switch out the vampiric sword because I had to heal him in middle of peaceful walks. He then said "everyone go to the guild channel", then they told me that they were all AFK. I told them that I was sorry and that we should just finish the mission because I didn't want to waste another second of my time like I did in the previous mission, and they taunted me calling me a noob and other names, but thankfully they did finish the mission.

Not to mention all of the monks that don't want to rez you because "you should have run away instead of just standing there", Warrior Monks that just run into fighting, people that scam you in channels, flame you when you don't want to sell your item for a cheaper price, flame you and say "I can sell the same item 2wice as cheap", people who draw a penis on the minimap all the time, that spam radar bleeps. People who leave the mission or quest when things don't go their way, people who leave the mission then flame you when you don't give them an ebon spider leg the spider dropped for you, etc.

Sure, they may be a small minority, but there hasn't been a day when I haven't argued with some 12 year old because of one of the above reasons.

Monk Class Flaws

Monks. Everyone wants one, no one wants to be one. You need a monk later in the game to finish any mission, since if you don't have one, it will probably be too hard. This is a huge imballance in the game, giving monks too much power. If you are a monk, all it takes is "LFG monk" and you will get 10 group invites.

Most monks I've grouped with are totall jackasses. Granted, if I played a monk and heard "Heal me" or "rez me" or "why din't you raize me noob" every 5 seconds, I would probably turn into an asshole too. But when monks don't raise you and say "you will respawn in the cinematic" or say "I was raising you already, but since you asked me to rez you I'm not going to do it now" or deliberately not healing you because you pissed them off somehow, it gets to be just stupid. Monks have too much power. It's like a handicapped person that bosses you around, and if you tell them to stop you are shunned since they are handicapped.

I understand that being a monk is a tedious job, and this is why this a game ballance issue that I do not see being fixed unless they take the monk out of the game, and give every class suitable healing.

Huge Grind

This game promised to be a grind free game, with the lvl 20 cap easily achieved by others. My ass. This game has a lot of grind, and it is very tedious to level up. Also, to boot, levels don't even give you that much of a bonus.

If you just do missions and quests, without grinding, you will find yourself out leveled. Monsters don't give enough XP, and travelling with mercenaries is slow and boring. Most monsters you meet take a long time to kill (unlike in Diablo II where you could cut a monster open with a click of a button.) Infact, fighting a group of 3 devourers takes maybe :30 to kill all of them with a group full of mercenaries, gaining you only 10-20 XP.

Anyone who denies that this game is not a grind is kidding themselves. All of the quests require you to walk into some location for what seems to be miles. Areas are not randomized, so you will be walking around a lot through areas you have already been in finishing quests.

About half way through the game I became bored, doing missions not because they were fun, but because they would advance me through the game.

Even the easiest of quests require you to kill a horde of monsters that you have already killed in previous quests. It took me 57 hours to reach LVL 20 on my first time through the game (Hopefully it will be my last), and I'm only around ~3/5ths done.

Too Difficult

As a LVL 20 E/Mo it took me about 7 tries just to get to an Ascention mission. Hydras in the desert in groups of 3s that cast meteor and then fire ball 3 times on you kill you in less than 10 seconds. My group ran through most of the fights because it would take over an hour to fight through, thanks to areas being spaced out so much.

Unless you get a ballanced group, missions become very difficult and time consuming. Combine this with a lame community that loves to rush in and fight mobs

If you all die in a mission, you have to restart the mission. Missions usually take at least 30 minutes, and unless you do it with henchmen you have to do it all in one try.

Guilding

It cost a lot of money to do any guild based things. I thought it was really expensive to get capes, until I realized that sigils are going for 50k. 50k. That's a lot of money. Unless you farm (I heard you can get 2k every 30 minutes of farming. BLEH) that's really expensive. I play with my friends only and I don't want to invite 30 people into my guild. So for a group of 7, its a big pain in the ass to get a Guild Hall, something that seems so basic for a game titled "Guild Wars".

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I was walking home and thinking about the things wrong with this game, but I'm just going to stop this. I'm sure you can think of tons of things wrong with this game, and I must have only half of what I was going to write.

I will finish this game, frankly because I still have some fun with it. Even with all these faults it's a good game. But I'm not going to get an expansion pack, and I doubt that I will bother with making a 2nd character.

People really need to consider these points.

Originally Posted by Garric

Ugh, oh how I hate talk to people like you. Name me another good RPG that forces you to do EVERY quest by walking 10 miles into the desert, fighting the same enemies (Since the map isn't a random map.). Those fights are tedious and boring, you've done them already, except now you have to do it again since you have to do a quest. I'm not saying make all the quests easy, I'm saying that the quests are stupid, repetative, wastes of time, since you must do the same thing in them (kill, find, bring back.). As if the devs specifically made the world huge just so they could stick in a bunch of quests that forced you to go as far as you could in different directions from town so you could "explore the map". Let me tell you, me, and all of my friends, after a week of playing, didn't want to "do" the quests anymore since they were so stupid and long, so we just ran to the green dot on the screen to get XP and skills.

Originally Posted by Dudededu

Again.. what the hell does some other forum and posts have to do with what I can manage?

Originally Posted by JasonJLore

*sigh* only in a free country would we equate idiocy with civility. it's funny that a person who is starting a thread on a subject which has already been discussed ad nauseum would be seen as "civil". As most of the issues "presented" here have been addressed in one way or another by the many free patches, it's hard to imagine what more a company like ANET could do. i mean the last i heard it was a free mmo and ANET (aside from bug fixes) has no real obligation to put any more new content in. The bottom line is of course that the majority of ppl are more than satisfied with the way things are and don't spend their lives posting moronic, insipid, and irrational messages to the chagrin of others.

Originally Posted by arnansnow

The one that needs upgrading is Dunham. No good skills at all. Does anyone use him?