Europe: losers' land

I invite all of you! Come visit losers' land!

We have many (oh soooo many) districts: english, german, italian and french, one language=one district!. I'm surprised Arenanet is not planning to create an armenian one, or, why not, a district specifically designed for Sicily, where Cosa Nostra's members can freely discuss about their criminal acts while doing some pvp without being disturbed.
We own the Hall of Heroes so often that european players usually wait more than a week to get to the Underworld (when they're lucky).
And what about PvE? German, french and italian districts are so empty that picking up a group is a pain! The english one is a little better, meaning when you farm in the Ring of Fire for rare drops or elite skills, you can usually find 4 ppl out of 8 slots. The other, rare inhabitants of those areas wander around yelling "WANT TO SELLL VERY GOOD SWORD 13-18 THAT PWNS, THATS TEH BEST SWORD I'VE FIND, PM ME".

Then I come here and read clever discussions about pvping, hints, well thought out posts and so on. Europe saddens me. We were "only" desperate before they splitted the districts, now we're hopeless. Koreans gave up on their social life to play GW, and America is 10 times stronger than Europe. The event of a european guild holding the HoH is rare, for many reasons: GW is quite unknown to european net-gaming (it was out later and our distributors simply suck), AND we've been brutally split.

We won't be able to be competitive. European division is there to help the average 14 yrs old french kid to find a grp and play some PvE, because he doesnt even know a word of English. Same with the italian and spanish guys (german and scandinavian ppl are way better in this).

I'd like to hear your opinions about this horrible situation, even though I guess the majority of the posters here are from US. I will email Arenanet about this issue as soon as possible (avoiding any sarcasm, of course ) but I'm 90% sure it will be totally useless. Kiddies always win.

After a new game is out, a continuous contact among players is required to create a kind of "know-how", an ensemble of shared knowledge which makes the netgaming collectivity grow. I hope you can understand what I mean.

This "know-how" is often the difference between winning and losing.

Cheers from losers' land.

P.S.: finishing the main quest took me a while because there weren't people enough to form a party and kill the Lich, plain and simple. This is absurd.

LMAO, can't stop laughing from this, that is a problem, i highly doubt they'll change it back, just go to american server.

that's just bad, we shouldn't have to go to an American server.

I mean the split I understand the languages can bug people it's fine by me really, but then the split at first I thought it would be English, French, German but no had to do more.
how bout just English, Other or something would be a lot better.

I don't think the game isn't known here, overal there are less players here than in Korea and American mhm, but still a pro guild doesn't have to exist out of many players. just good players who can work together.
the districts now are just a pain, I end up only playing with the actual people I know proper PUG's are really hard to find.

I've seen Europe contend for the HoH more frequently of late. They are even holding it more often than they used to. Though I like when America has the favor(so I can get into the Underworld ), I'm always rooting for Europe, no matter who they go against. I'm a fan of underdogs.

Good, my plan is in order. Move to phase 3.

-Virt

Well I'm in the Euro server aswell and do find it annoying that sometimes it's really empty. But I know America would be as well. I live in Australia and European/American servers are in completely different timezones. I chose Euro, because the guild was basing itself there (mainly being English, Scottish, Dutch, etc.) so either way I'd see quiet days and such.

However, it's all well and good complaining about this but what do you propose to do about it? I mean, you could join the Euro and US servers but then it'd totally screw up everything and I'd feel sorry for the Koreans as they'd be competing against Europe and America in a single team. They aren't THAT godly at games.

Although I suppose you could join all the servers into one real world server but keep your country preference so you could go in with plenty of players from different countries and the majority of players from a country will be what that team will be fighting for. Say 3 Americans and 5 Europeans, the team would then be fighting for Europe if they went in the HoH tourney, or the team could be allowed into the underworld when Europe holds the HoH because the majority are Europeans. It can go any way aswell.

I went to the American server a while ago because finding an english-speaking group was a pain. I swear German keybords have a button that types out "hi ger?" for them, 'cause that's all I ever used to see.

Then when ArenaNet said they were putting in language districts, I got all pleased 'cause I could return home. Now I have, and now I'm happy.

All the non-english european people who can speak english come into the english districts to find a group anyway. And I notice us having the HoH more than I did prior to the language districts. That could be because I wasn't looking before, but would be good to see some stats.

I'm an Aussie too, as you well know, and I'm in the American world and it's always teeming with people, whatever time it is over there when I'm playing.

I think most aussies go straight to the us servers, I first tried european, but found it hard to get many people to team up. US always has people to play with

I've been on the American server from the start, partly because everyone speaks English there, but also because I suspected that some of the things mentioned here were going to happen. Lag is not an issue at all (I'm almost always first or second into an instanced area), and this server holds the HoH almost exclusively when I'm on. I'm glad I decided to use one of my 5 chances to change servers at the very beginning.

I suppose I'm part of the problem.

I think they should have sell this game in the dark ages when europe is pretty much under chalamanae (spelling)'s rule or maybe back in iron age of roman empire. Then the language problem would be solve.

Sadly, I just switched to the american territory, and life is much different there. Crowded servers, ppl who always want to team up and so on. I finally got into the Underworld and enjoyed it as it was meant to be.

There are always ppl, no matter the time, mainly because of west-east coast timezones I guess.
They are more experienced as well, it's quite evident.

They aren't nicer, not at all, but I don't care...when I feel like I want to play with friends or with my guild, I can always get to the international districts.

Oh, and I didnt experience lag whatsoever....10mbit connection here.

I think most of the european ppl who really want to stay competitive will switch to US. One could always go back to EU later, with much more experience of the game, elite skills and good items/runes. That said, EU should get competitive by that time, which I'm not sure will happen.

I often notice Europe holding the hall of heroes when I log on...

First the Europeans are complaining about no-language districts, and now they don't like them? Geez.

I started on the American server and plan to stay there, despite being from Denmark. There are always people there, even in the most remote districts.

I think nationalism and geographical boundaries are stupid and out-dated and hate the whole Worlds-at-War idea. I encourage all English-speaking Europeans to join the American server.

A poll on the Swedish GW site indicate that a third of them play on the American server.

Why ppl still crying and winning?i am sure u are the best player in europe and others just sucks but ...
when i look to ur post i only see ("cry cry cry cry cry, they suck im good,cry cry cry").
ok man just leave the "europe division" and go to american, then u will find good players.

When the european guilds/PUG's are good enough, it will be more competitive. But it's gonna take time. Last time i posted one of these kind of replies europe ended up holding HoH for a decent amount of time. Switching to the US server increases the problem rather than solving it.

This is a serious problem though. Right now, in some outposts, on a regular weekday-night, you won't find more than a handful of people in the English Euro district. How will this be in a few months time, when there are even less people playing the game in Europe? Some quests may become impossible to complete for Europeans. Or let's just hope that the AI of the henchmen gets a smarter...

Ah... come on. I did not want a district for every single language out there...
But honestly, what has it done to europe (you can always switch the regional settings to come and visit europe once in case you doubt the written words in this thread).

The english people who are playing for europe probably just messed up their regional settings, the french people... well. Go ahead and try to convince a french person to speak english. Even if he does know how to speak it, he will totally refuse to do so in 90 % of the time if there is another french person in the group.

Go for the germans, yeah save europe... blah. Ever been to the german districts and understand a little bit of german swearing? Yeah, then you know those german channels are flooded with kiddie morons. Sad to say, as i am coming from germany... germanys behaviour in games sucks big time.

Let's try the other european districts. Ok... to be honest i got not clue what they are saying but judging from the amount playing there it has got to be something like "Can someone please invite some of his guild to come here plz? It is so fricking lonely!"

And then there are the dutch... they are still stuck in ascalon as they are trying to teach europe the english language and some common behaviour.

"Just go into the english districts"
Yeah sure... if i do i get kicked out of the teams as the name on my monk is a german word i get comments like "Go home nazi!". Same silly comments (only other words) goes to the french people who get thrown out of the english districts on a daily base. So the "play in the english districts!" doesn't really work. They want their peace there. They are probably quite happy to have been seperated from europes' scum like france or germarny.

Wow... That sucks. You might be better off switching to the American server, since you speak english well. I think a lot of europeans already have. They need to do something to fix this problem.

Well you should have some decent support out of Germany. I spent 7 years there and I know alot of American soldiers put their time into gaming and I also met many serious hardcore German gamers. So I don't believe it's hopeless.

Basically, if you just made the neuronal effort to read all of my posts (2 actually) you would know that I didnt whine (yes, that's the spelling, and you should definitely learn some English before getting into pointless and personal attacks) just for the pleasure of it, I whined for a reason. I did "go to american" as your poor grammar suggests, and I did it before you wrote this mess.

I never said I'm better than anyone else, I just pointed out an unsolved problem european people have.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

I think the split up to into different district depending on languages was a good change (I'm using the English district).
Nobody prevent the non-English speaking ppl to join the English district if they want too and it's decreased the non-English spamming in the English district considerably (which I think is a good thing)

Also, it's decreased the number of bi-lingual group invites (meaning that they invite you and speak English, then once the mission begins, 2-3 persons speak in their own language half the time, which is quite annoying).

Yeah i like the district changes... no longer do i get spammed with "i buy sword" while im trying to replie "no, i want to buy a sword" for 30 mins.

Having played on both the US and Euro regions, i have to say that theres alot less spam and childish behaviour on the Euro.

But from another point of view waiting for 30 mins to join a PUG team only to find they have 6 warriors and a ranger (lmao) is the down side.

Still i have layed my bed and now have to sleep in it. Euro clan's unite !!! lets defeat these infidels...

I agree that this language division is a change for the worst. It only works in somewhere like Ascalon City were the District count goes into 20+, but once you hit Crystal Desert and onwards, you only get about one district per mission, maybe 2 if you were playing at peak time.

So now EU players have an even shallower pool of players in which to complete these difficult missions, and even if some players decided to jump into the english districts, they only receive the warm and fuzzy welcome messages of "OMG go back to the french/german/spanish districts LOLZ".

im from germany too, but played some time on the american server. pvp was much better there, they use ts or vent more often. the prob with it is that you dont understand their chitchat but the important things like tactics are not that hard to understand.
then i was lucky and found a guild which looked good to me and a joined it. i had to switch to the european server again to be more available for pve but it was not that bad.
now i often play pvp with em (and we use ts ofcourse) and i think were not doing bad. (ladder place 160 yesterday, but we didnt play many gvg to now) normally be try hoh and sometimes play (if we dont have enough players) with english ppl and theyre better to understand. i like it that way.
and i also like the new districts because i think its better if wanna use a voice prog and i also can keep away from the german kiddies cause its REALLY bad in the german districst imo.

I'm from the UK and on the US server... most of my guild are the same. Maybe they should just make it Korea vs RoTW

Russian team (Ladder to Hell [LtH] + RusCorp [Rus]) got 36th place in a ladder with a new fresh guild in one weekend (in the last saturday)
http://ladder.guildwars.com/ladder.dll?name=out+of+mana

Two new members in a team, they never played PvP in Guild Wars.

20 wins / 4 losses
One loss to 8th place Korea University http://ladder.guildwars.com/ladder.d...rea+University
Two losses to 9th place We Gamer http://ladder.guildwars.com/ladder.dll?name=We+Gamer
One loss when our target caller was disconnected

Not too bad for a first try after a big delay.
Note: You can't oficially buy Guild Wars in Russia, you can buy it only via several internet shops if you know where to buy. There are like 200 Russian players total in GW, most aren't interested in PvP or aren't even lvl 20 yet. There are 4 Russian clans.

P.S. Europe, whine more plz how you suck. Of course, it's easier to whine than to do something.
P.P.S. We're playing for Europe for obvious reasons.

I have to agree, europe is not the power in GW it should be. We have British, French , German etc. yet we are most likely the least feared opponent in pvp. The koreans probably laugh themselves silly when they know they are fighting europeans. I think the main reason for our poor peformance is that the countries are so split and hate each other.

I think the splitting of districts was good. I know sometimes its a bit harder to find a group, but now ( area around Augury Rock and later on ) once u got a party, they work together good. Weve tried dunes of despair 5 times or so with the same party. Chatting is a lot better cause everything is in english, and yes, the germans dont have to ask any ger. wich i think is realy anoying, i dont see any other country doing that.

Why is it, everytime someones states an opinion and puts some facts behind that, which you can't counter that easily... people just ignore everything said and spit out a "damn whiner" comment as they can't counter the arguments.
That's pretty lame.

Well, sooner or later the Europe in GW will take a tip from the Europe in Real Life and unite together under the banner of "We Hate America".

Sadly, it funny yet I can see it happening!

No, it's not that we suck. But it's just too hard to form groups.

I play mostly late at night, so there are even fewer people online. For example for 2 days we wanted to do the "gates of kryta mission". We had to go to 3 districts (german, french, english)" to form a 5 people team. Because in every district there were like 3 or so guys. That is just not funny.

It would be cool, if I could go to the US Servers for some PvE and maybe PvP-Arena but I can only go to the underworld if europe is holding the HoH. That would be much better. I don't want to switch to the US servers permanently, but the situation now is very bad

It's not that we only got bad players, hell no, we got many very good players - but it's so hard to form good groups (or even to get a whole group )

I'm lucky, because I can speak german and english, so I got twice as much prospective group-mates than an only-english-speaker. With english+german people together, you can get decent groups - with german or english alone, it's quite hard.

Our Guild moved over to american servers because we were sick of the european situation.

Must say american servers are so much better.. everyone speaks english, millions of districts and people buying and selling.. on european server it is nearly impossible to find items you need.

After the district split on EU servers we have all moved back!... it is much better with having english only districts.. and although recently there hasnt been much winning on HoH we do seem more competative.

but your right.. there are ALOT of negatives to being on the EU servers alltogether.. with the language split or not.

We will give the EU servers another chance, but if they dont acknowledge the huge disadvantage the EU has, then one of two things will happen to our guild

a] We will all go back to US servers, and will reccomend all friends to do the same
b] We will all get very bored and very frustrated and and dis-miss guildwars for another game...

we already have people leaving, so I suspect the later to be the case.

Sorry like.. excelent game but the multi-player aspect (being the main reason to play) is a bit crap at the moment.

The Snowman
(sorry for spelling mistakes)

I like the new launguage seperated districts.

due to computer troubles I did not play for a week or so, I logged in over the weekend and in towns I saw people seeling this or that, asking for help on such and such etc, then I realised....

I was actually reading the chat - before it was a melting pot of languages, german, spanish, italian, dutch, etc...

It's improved the game for me. I'm sure for people who play at odd hours it might well be more challenging to get a group, however if the old system was ever reinstated I think I'd switch to te US servers.

I don't believe it people who've been on both US and European servers think europe has less idiots and illiterates?

I can understand on sheer numbers we have less, but percentage wise it seems worse, I feel I've found a gem of a group if someone doesn't draw genitals on my map at some point.

Tell me it isn't true or has the whole world gone to pot?

P.S I prefer the seperated districts now too, just need one more specially made for those who can't read or write in any language at all.

Matt Damon

will only get worse when they make the korean server available to all of us in asia. right now get a lot of australians/new zealanders on europe and america server. what europe pvpers need to do is stop joining 'norse only' 'celt only' 'french only' guilds and start forming 'fame 3+ only' guilds and 'must use teamspeak' guilds.

I left loosers land yesterday and went to the american server.
Its soo much better, you actually met people that know what they are doing.

Agreed. People should leave their petty nationalistic crap at the door, although I suppose Anet are hardly helping the situation with the continental, and now national segregation (being able to swap districts hardly helps, and even serves to make the situation even worse).

About the language barriers, a lot of European nations teach English as a second language, so seeing German/French/whatever in the public chat channels hardly bothers me since people will probably speak English when it's necessary (ie. ingame). It's not like I care about the usual crap talking/squabbling that happens in English, anyway.

The problem isn't that Europe has so few players, it's that so many of them play on US servers.

My guild has done the same because of the substantially higher population, which of course only makes the situation worse. I like the new districts, cuz it was frustrating to see german and french text all the time. But of course, as long as so many euro's play on US servers, the splitting of euro districts will make the difference seem even bigger.