Real problem is that a lot of europeans started the game on Us servers (for some reasons) and others r moving there every day (not me).
Solution is so easy...force europeans to play on European servers, I know we could have the 0.1% americans that live in Europe complaining about this but if Anet does not do this Europe will die (with the WaW concept).
Europe: losers' land
Controller
Great Gjl
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I like the new districts, cuz it was frustrating to see german and french text all the time
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Lief
Hoping to add a few ex-DaoC / CS players to our guild, bunch of hardcore PvPers, see if we can make a dent into europe's suckiness.
Probably not
Probably not
Mormegil
Picking up a group in the most advanced areas of the game is nearly impossible. If you get to US servers, you'll see these regions crowded in any time of the day. And yes, they know what they're doing, while german/italian/french don't.
Shadow_Avenger
The seems to be a hugh difference in server population that also has alot to do with the above.
Having hopped between euro and american, I noticed that the american servers have 2-3x as many districts active per area compared to european areas. ( and this is playing random gmt times between 10am-12pm )
I personally like the splitting of euro zone into languages, it doesn't stop you mingling, but it makes it easier to find same language players.
Not been to the desert yet, as this tends to be the areas where the districts seem to be the smallest.
If anything, maybe A.net sould merge districts if amount of players in district is <10. Send all players to english district, (basically most europeans can speak / type english)
Having hopped between euro and american, I noticed that the american servers have 2-3x as many districts active per area compared to european areas. ( and this is playing random gmt times between 10am-12pm )
I personally like the splitting of euro zone into languages, it doesn't stop you mingling, but it makes it easier to find same language players.
Not been to the desert yet, as this tends to be the areas where the districts seem to be the smallest.
If anything, maybe A.net sould merge districts if amount of players in district is <10. Send all players to english district, (basically most europeans can speak / type english)
CtrlAltDel
so we need to worry about how much europe stinks 'cause they cant even stay on their own servers and run to the american ones...and then complain there is nobody on the euro servers...comeon
Mr. Matt
Here's an amazing fact -- Europe will never be competitive if everyone moves out.
Yabba
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And yes, they know what they're doing, while german/italian/french don't.
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nice generalizations here as usual in such threads.
the only problem in europe is that there aren´t enough people playing so teams most lack of players especially monks.
and with so many euros playing on us server and many more to change to them due to the new (quite empty) language districts situation won´t get better in near future.
but i guess it´s human nature. people always choose the easiest way that is in GW changing to us server ...
Mormegil
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so we need to worry about how much europe stinks 'cause they cant even stay on their own servers and run to the american ones...and then complain there is nobody on the euro servers...comeon
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but i guess it´s human nature. people always choose the easiest way that is in GW changing to us server ...
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nice generalizations here as usual in such threads
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Pandora's box
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Real problem is that a lot of europeans started the game on Us servers (for some reasons) and others r moving there every day (not me).
Solution is so easy...force europeans to play on European servers, I know we could have the 0.1% americans that live in Europe complaining about this but if Anet does not do this Europe will die (with the WaW concept). |
Deagol
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But what if the Favor of the Gods did not go to Korea, America or Europe, but to "The Red Dragons", "Tigerclaws" or "Polar Bears"? Organizations? And your GUILD has to join one of them, no matter from what country you are? It would be more of a challenge and make gameplay much more international. Just my 2-pence
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There should be some benefit of joining the weaker organization though, maybe 1% death penalty to the top organization, and 1% morale boost to the bottom organization in tombs fight between teams of different organizations.
WillOrWil
You guys ever think it might just be style of play and not lack of players for the lack of controlling the HoH? I mean no offense by this. But different cultures do have different ways of approaching different situations. The best example of this I can think of (that has the most distinct differences to use as examples) is when I used to play Halo for PC.
Players from America and from Asia always tried to do team play that always ended up with people going up against one another guns blazing.
What I noticed with EU players was that EU players would always stand back as a group and toss grenades as fast and as much as they could. This led to them being slaughtered regularly.
I've noticed this as well whenever I've entered the HoH or even played GvG. EU players "seem" to not be as aggressive as those from Asia or America. I mean, you have to think of it like this. Both sides are "trying" to work as a team. That being said...the side being the most aggressive is usually going to win. As is said, the best defense is a good offense.
Players from America and from Asia always tried to do team play that always ended up with people going up against one another guns blazing.
What I noticed with EU players was that EU players would always stand back as a group and toss grenades as fast and as much as they could. This led to them being slaughtered regularly.
I've noticed this as well whenever I've entered the HoH or even played GvG. EU players "seem" to not be as aggressive as those from Asia or America. I mean, you have to think of it like this. Both sides are "trying" to work as a team. That being said...the side being the most aggressive is usually going to win. As is said, the best defense is a good offense.
Yabba
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When american teams face european ones in the HoH, they just win 80% of the times. Koreans laugh at us. Proportionally, the average player in the US server knows it better, way better. I'm not saying he's nicer or something. He's just more experienced. I'm not even saying there can't be exceptions, but thats the average case.
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just 3 things that happened yesterday when i was in the hoh with pug grps.
1.) 1vs1 vs us team:
us people start talking:
ha, no koreans, euros suck. you`re so dead, we will pwn you.
1 min later the us team was beaten (and the pug grp i was in was bad. i`m a very experienced player and can tell in seconds if i`m in a bad team. the next fight we lost against an international guild team)
2.) 1vs1 against an (unknown) us guild team. this time i was in a good pug.
no trashtalking before fight (i guess the us guild was busy in their ts or ventrilo
2 mins later the us team was dead.
us guys start talking: wtf !! how could a sucking euro team beat us. euros suck !
3.) 6 team match. 3 teams left over. 1 korea, 1 us and our euro pug.
after 10 mins stand off and koreans calling for 1vs1 the us team logs completely off ...
korean team and my team meet in the middle and have a nice fight. korea team dead after 2 mins.
no trashtalk. only "good fight" and such.
it doesn´t matter from which country players come. the only porblem euro pick up groups have is the lack of players.
it`s hard to build a good group if there are not the classes around needed for the team template.
the only bane of pickup groups in the hoh are well organized and build guild/pvp teams.
doesn´t matter from which country.
eventhorizen
Well im not sure how many exactly, but I know a huge number of Europeans play on the American server. I wouldnt be suprised if the US server was infact th home of the majority of UK players.
Europe might suck, but what you gonna do? Keep insulting us? Id rather not join the american servers, even if they are superior in all aspects of GW to Europeans. Im just not.. American.
Having said that I am Scottish, so I accept this personal challange from the US of A to absolutly own them as much as is possible on an online game, and I look forward to taking your racist slurs personally and unleashing my anger in game.
You see once the initial rush of forum searching for strats and guides and ideas dies down, and the amazing effort of farming and trading uber items grind to a halt, im pretty confident the European mind will conquer. After all it killed the Neanderthals, clonised the ENTIRE world, created the atomic bomb, modern military strategy, and has consistantly been the nucleus of learning, strategy, and intelligence for mankind since the time we left Africa.
Not to mention European military strategy dominates then gets copied by others, as has happened since before Alexander the Great all the way through to Roman times, and re-emerging again through the Renaissance, and past to German combat tactics in WWII to the Harrier Jump Jet and Airbus of today.
Ah yes. The rest of the world may have their laugh and insult us. We are probably still too busy exploring every inch of the game world for its aesthetic and artistic beauty, atmospheric and musical oppulance, and architectural grandeur with our fourth characters to be competing this early with inferiors for glory.
Have no doubt like Ceaser and Rommel, Alexander and Napoleon, we Europeans shall not stop untill our victory is absolute, and our vanquished pay us hommage.
Good day to you, Gentle persons.
Europe might suck, but what you gonna do? Keep insulting us? Id rather not join the american servers, even if they are superior in all aspects of GW to Europeans. Im just not.. American.
Having said that I am Scottish, so I accept this personal challange from the US of A to absolutly own them as much as is possible on an online game, and I look forward to taking your racist slurs personally and unleashing my anger in game.
You see once the initial rush of forum searching for strats and guides and ideas dies down, and the amazing effort of farming and trading uber items grind to a halt, im pretty confident the European mind will conquer. After all it killed the Neanderthals, clonised the ENTIRE world, created the atomic bomb, modern military strategy, and has consistantly been the nucleus of learning, strategy, and intelligence for mankind since the time we left Africa.
Not to mention European military strategy dominates then gets copied by others, as has happened since before Alexander the Great all the way through to Roman times, and re-emerging again through the Renaissance, and past to German combat tactics in WWII to the Harrier Jump Jet and Airbus of today.
Ah yes. The rest of the world may have their laugh and insult us. We are probably still too busy exploring every inch of the game world for its aesthetic and artistic beauty, atmospheric and musical oppulance, and architectural grandeur with our fourth characters to be competing this early with inferiors for glory.
Have no doubt like Ceaser and Rommel, Alexander and Napoleon, we Europeans shall not stop untill our victory is absolute, and our vanquished pay us hommage.
Good day to you, Gentle persons.
Prince Daniel
Well yeah you say that but we really are just crap
john little
you can run into bad american teams and bad korean teams, on average i'd say the koreans are tougher from my experience. The other day i witnessed the incredible, it was our european team vs two korean teams and they didn't group up...needless to say the entire pug was shocked.
As for europeans being defensive, i think its more a case of thinking before doing stuff with strategies that alter during the match. A lot of american teams seem to have decided on one course of action and stick to it no matter what, even if they get completely wiped out.
As for europeans being defensive, i think its more a case of thinking before doing stuff with strategies that alter during the match. A lot of american teams seem to have decided on one course of action and stick to it no matter what, even if they get completely wiped out.
eventhorizen
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Well yeah you say that but we really are just crap
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If you lose a fight, it has nothing to do with whre you are from, and everything to do with YOUR abilities. Every loss is a personal insult to your intelligence and ability, and teamwork, and every victory is a signal of your mental and collective superiority over the foe.
This is a game about the mind, if you dont have one you are at a disadvantage. I reserve the right not to comment about the intellect of the English..
Zeroo
Europe may be weak at this point but things will change...
If european players go to american world then so be it , its their choice.
Like eventhorizen said
If european players go to american world then so be it , its their choice.
Like eventhorizen said
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WillOrWil
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You see once the initial rush of forum searching for strats and guides and ideas dies down, and the amazing effort of farming and trading uber items grind to a halt, im pretty confident the European mind will conquer. After all it killed the Neanderthals, clonised the ENTIRE world, created the atomic bomb, modern military strategy, and has consistantly been the nucleus of learning, strategy, and intelligence for mankind since the time we left Africa. Not to mention European military strategy dominates then gets copied by others, as has happened since before Alexander the Great all the way through to Roman times, and re-emerging again through the Renaissance, and past to German combat tactics in WWII to the Harrier Jump Jet and Airbus of today. |
Europe colonized the entire world? So the indigenous peoples that lived in those "colonized" areas never "colonized" them.
Europe created the atomic bomb? What ficticious history book are you reading to get that notion?
Europe created Modern Military strategy? Again, what ficticious history book are you reading to get that notion?
Europe has consistantly been the nucleus of learning, strategy, and intelligence for mankind since the time we left Africa? You have just insulted all Asians, Eastern Indians, Africans and Middle Eastern peoples by making the mistake of thinking "Eurocentrically". Of the four nationalities that I mentioned ALL OF THEM have richer, older and more complex civilizations than the Europeans.
Not to mention European military strategy dominates then gets copied by others, as has happened since before Alexander the Great all the way through to Roman times, and re-emerging again through the Renaissance, and past to German combat tactics in WWII to the Harrier Jump Jet and Airbus of today? What? Again, what ficticious history book are you reading? Everyone copies the military strategy of others. That has happened since the day individuals began to fight. Alexander the Great imitated the Persians. The Persians imitated him. Alexander learned from the Greeks. The Greeks learned from the Persians. The Persians learned from the Chinese. The Chinese learned from the Japanese. Etc...etc... That happened all the way through the Rennisance because of the Crusades. Want to talk about German tactics of WWII? Then you are NOT talking about German tactics, you are talking about Chinese tactics that Sun Tzu wrote.
'Nuff said.
evrqst123
I predict in the year 2006, GW causes World War III over control of the HoH.
WillOrWil
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Europe may be weak at this point but things will change...
If european players go to american world then so be it , its their choice. Like eventhorizen said, "Have no doubt like Ceaser and Rommel, Alexander and Napoleon, we Europeans shall not stop untill our victory is absolute, and our vanquished pay us hommage." |
Ceasar was killed by his own senate. Rommel was eventually defeated. Alexander comes from a country that the EU hasn't even accepted. Napoleon was defeated and exiled. NONE of their victories were absolute and none of thier vanquished paid them hommage. In fact there are stories told of massive parties and celebrations at the deaths of each of those that you listed.
Xellos
For now, I think that you need to make friends with America/Korea, then use international district. I've seen alot of tombs teams meet at international simply because it's more versatile. Plus, Rome Army knows english, so it can't be that hard
simply because it's more versatile. Plus, Rome Army knows english, so it can't be that hard egads
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Well yeah you say that but we really are just crap
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eventhorizen, you're right that this is a strategy game, but what you are saying has almost no relevance to the game at all. You seem to be making huge generalisations all over the place. Also, the people who engineered those past military victories are all dead and as such can't really help in winning Guild Wars for Europe.
Macel
Maybe we should just make it the world vs Korea...
Europeans, I wouldn't be disappointed if I were you... Your losing all the time just means that you guys have better things to do than play video games all day..
Europeans, I wouldn't be disappointed if I were you... Your losing all the time just means that you guys have better things to do than play video games all day..
Prince Daniel
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Hilarious, and perfect placement. Well played.
eventhorizen, you're right that this is a strategy game, but what you are saying has almost no relevance to the game at all. You seem to be making huge generalisations all over the place. Also, the people who engineered those past military victories are all dead and as such can't really help in winning Guild Wars for Europe. |
Thank you oh wise one
Gerbill
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However, it's all well and good complaining about this but what do you propose to do about it? I mean, you could join the Euro and US servers but then it'd totally screw up everything and I'd feel sorry for the Koreans as they'd be competing against Europe and America in a single team. They aren't THAT godly at games.
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it used to be
1. Korea
2. America
3. France I thought.
but no no.. this year..
1. not Korea... not America.. no no wait for it.. that's right The Netherlands
2. Korea
3. America
Netherlands for who don't know.. lol.. has the main capital city called Amsterdam.. you probably know that don't you.. thought it was a country, no it's a capital.
Neways, overal, Europeans are pretty good at games, we're just.. less in quantity and to divide that into even more groups.. is just not smart.
I'd say change it back.. I didn't mind all the languages.. but yeah seeing how I'm dutch I had French, English and German back in high school so it's not really a problem to understand most things.
dbgtboy
europeans are actually good, u just have to wait for top guilds such as out of mana and over the edge are on, they are really good, especially out of mana.
ishar_dragon
Imho, districts should be get back to the old system, i can't really add nothing new to this treat, but of course my "vote" to change to the old system, loved to see people from all around europe speaking all around, i've even learnt how to say FUR in the 3 main languajes , well, that's the thing, please, get back to the old system, and in some way, it might look discriminatorial, that other european players in countries with different languajes than the switched ones might feel rejected, we're all euro, plz, get the system back ya!!!
-ishar the crusader
-ishar the crusader
Mormegil
I totally agree with you. Today Europe had favor of the gods for, say, 3 hours? That's laughable. Three hours in one week and a half.
dbgtboy
nope, they also had yesterday, and come to think of it, i ahvent seen america have favor for a while now.
Chev of Hardass
Go through Lornar's pass. That will get you into the Underworld.
I made it to the entrance with one other player from the south. He a W/Mo and I a N/Mo, so the trip is makeable. Of couse I was not about to go inside with only the two of us.
I know that this is not as easy or as fast, but the favor of the gods, as far as I can tell, has no control over the entrance I mentioned.
I am on am American server, I feel for you as I have seen empty towns here.
Anyway, I thought I would mention the other way into the underworld, since I stuck that entrance in my encyclopedia when I came across it.
I made it to the entrance with one other player from the south. He a W/Mo and I a N/Mo, so the trip is makeable. Of couse I was not about to go inside with only the two of us.
I know that this is not as easy or as fast, but the favor of the gods, as far as I can tell, has no control over the entrance I mentioned.
I am on am American server, I feel for you as I have seen empty towns here.
Anyway, I thought I would mention the other way into the underworld, since I stuck that entrance in my encyclopedia when I came across it.
Yojinj
I changed from EU to Us server some days ago.
More ppl, more play, more trade = better for me.
More ppl, more play, more trade = better for me.
QTFsniper
I just had a random though. Instead of splitting up all the europeans, Why not just create a chat tab for each one that you can check off? People that have similar languages can group together and it keeps the game more crowded looking?
DrSLUGFly
Europe wasn't weak, just communication problems
we can see that now that the languages are seperated, Europe wins more often. I live in Korea, my motherland borders the US, but I'll be playing Europe server.
we can see that now that the languages are seperated, Europe wins more often. I live in Korea, my motherland borders the US, but I'll be playing Europe server.
Deagol
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Alexander comes from a country that the EU hasn't even accepted.
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necroth
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Ceasar was killed by his own senate. Rommel was eventually defeated. Alexander comes from a country that the EU hasn't even accepted. Napoleon was defeated and exiled. NONE of their victories were absolute and none of thier vanquished paid them hommage. In fact there are stories told of massive parties and celebrations at the deaths of each of those that you listed.
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Ellestar
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Europe created the atomic bomb? What ficticious history book are you reading to get that notion?
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Europe created Modern Military strategy? Again, what ficticious history book are you reading to get that notion?
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Europe has consistantly been the nucleus of learning, strategy, and intelligence for mankind since the time we left Africa? You have just insulted all Asians, Eastern Indians, Africans and Middle Eastern peoples by making the mistake of thinking "Eurocentrically". Of the four nationalities that I mentioned ALL OF THEM have richer, older and more complex civilizations than the Europeans.
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What? Again, what ficticious history book are you reading? Everyone copies the military strategy of others. That has happened since the day individuals began to fight.
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Want to talk about German tactics of WWII? Then you are NOT talking about German tactics, you are talking about Chinese tactics that Sun Tzu wrote.
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Do you know a meaning of a word "tactics"? It's far different from "strategy". Anyway, some extremely generalized strategies were written by Sun Tzu, but that doesn't mean that every strategist just copies Sun Tzu. It just means that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Lews
He was from Macedonia really, but that is part of Greece and the surrounding countries, so yes.
Wait, are you sayign we should use either CHinease or WW2 German military strategy in HoH?
Wait, are you sayign we should use either CHinease or WW2 German military strategy in HoH?
King of Fools
pretty sure that macedonia is not part of Greece at the moment.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/mk.html
use chinese strategy in HoH, Sun Tzu does seem to apply quite well http://www.online-literature.com/suntzu/artofwar/
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/mk.html
use chinese strategy in HoH, Sun Tzu does seem to apply quite well http://www.online-literature.com/suntzu/artofwar/
Morat
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Actually if you all know bout the World Cyber Games.. like the Games olympics, Koreans didn't win it last time =)
it used to be 1. Korea 2. America 3. France I thought. but no no.. this year.. 1. not Korea... not America.. no no wait for it.. that's right The Netherlands 2. Korea 3. America Netherlands for who don't know.. lol.. has the main capital city called Amsterdam.. you probably know that don't you.. thought it was a country, no it's a capital. Neways, overal, Europeans are pretty good at games, we're just.. less in quantity and to divide that into even more groups.. is just not smart. I'd say change it back.. I didn't mind all the languages.. but yeah seeing how I'm dutch I had French, English and German back in high school so it's not really a problem to understand most things. |
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