Darkest Dawn
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
No, actually, I'm quite sure I'm playing the right game. At least, I was in beta. The 'grind' was something introduced afterwards, I guess to appeal to all people who couldn't measure up in PvP and needed a watered-down activity where they punch out robots and get rewarded for it.
My definition of "building a character" seems to differ from yours. See, I spent plenty of time "building my character" in beta GW... Experimenting with attributes, choosing weapons and armor, finding the best, most versatile and most efficient combination of skills I could bring to the table to compliment my team. That's what building a character means. Playing whack-a-mole until it tells you the numerical value that dictates your strength has increased by 1? No. That's something else. GW is not a traditional RPG, and you're not going to get anywhere by trying to make it into one. I recommend you try some of the other fabulous choices on the RPG market. |
DarrenJasper
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
do you seriously believe any of the dribble that comes out of your mouth? ArenaNet is trolling the forums catering to the people that want instant gratification by making the game easier....if you don't see that I feel bad for you. I expected to get my moneys worth out of this game...and hoped to get in early enough that I'd be done and over it by the time the hacking community hit it....which btw isn't far off. I haven't gotten that....and yes I feel a bit cheated for it. But I'm not complaining about the game as much as I am malcontented with the company that built and supports it. If you're going to patch a game every third day to appeal to the masses that complain and whine about the game being too hard or too time intensive...I as a gamer won't have any respect for you as a software company. Put some faith int he fact that you built a good game. PvP players want instant gratification...this I can understand...I'd hate to think that I'd have to go find my m4 to use it in counter strike.....but for us PvE players all ArenaNet has effectively done is made the game too easy to even stomach.
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Sir Skullcrasher
kaya
Deagol
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Originally Posted by Stur
How bout RPG lovers vs. FPS lovers LOL
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher
I as a player, dislike people like Algren Cole; who hates company that is giving up a game that SHOULD have monthly charges
I as a player, dislike Algren Cole who get angry because of a damn patch, i mean for god sake, ITS A PATCH (sorry about the cap) if you don't like the patch, delete GW and go play something else... like WoW |
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
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DarrenJasper
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
mommy and daddy didn't purchase the game for me...what're you like 12?
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
No, since I haven't resorted at every turn to calling other people underage. That kind of defensive posturing belongs to the young and stupid
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kaya
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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
No, since I haven't resorted at every turn to calling other people underage. That kind of defensive posturing belongs to the young and stupid
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Sir Skullcrasher
DarrenJasper
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
everyone of your posts has been a personal attack at the poster you are responding to....that's pretty immature. My posts are attacks at the game...not the poster.
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
what're you like 12? do you seriously believe any of the dribble that comes out of your mouth?
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Originally Posted by Kaya
you just did!
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
Do I even need to punctuate this
Nope. Just made a statement. If you think it applies to someone here, well... You made that connection, not me. |
Deagol
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Originally Posted by Stur
Role playing games are by definition a “grind”.
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kaya
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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
No, since I haven't resorted at every turn to calling other people underage. That kind of defensive posturing belongs to the young and stupid
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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper
Nope. Just made a statement. If you think it applies to someone here, well... You made that connection, not me.
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Stur
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Originally Posted by Deagol
That would indicate that all RPG lovers are also grind lovers, which is not the case.
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Madjik
Diplo
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I've written applications that will utilize search engine features to pull pertanant information for term papers and research papers when I was in highschool...and would then compile the information it pulled in legible sentences and paragraphs.
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codemonkey
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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher
I as a player, dislike people like Algren Cole; who hates company that is giving up a game that SHOULD have monthly charges
I as a player, dislike Algren Cole who get angry because of a damn patch, i mean for god sake, ITS A PATCH (sorry about the cap) if you don't like the patch, delete GW and go play something else... like WoW |
Deagol
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Originally Posted by Stur
Name one RPG that does not have a "grind".
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by Diplo
Really? As a programmer myself I would be interested in hearing how you did this. What language did you use for it? What APIs to the search engines? Did you implement some kind of Bayesian algorithms? Please tell!
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kaya
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Originally Posted by Madjik
Theres no discussion, its all monkies throwing feces at eachother.
chill out, grow up. |
Darkest Dawn
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Originally Posted by Deagol
Nope, only the current crop of RPG's fit that sad definition. The ones I started with, rogue and hack, had no grind. When you re-enter a level in hack, it is as you left it. And new monster spawning was too slow to provide you with the food you need to stay alive. So you was forced to continue progressing, and thus to meet new (and stronger) monsters, rather than killing the same monsters over and over.
I don't believe any current games work like that, but at least Guild Wars allows me to play the way I like, one area/mission a time, until I beat it, and then move on. That is not grind. If I wanted the "perfect" character, I would have to grind for items (or gold). Luckily, I don't care about having a "perfect" character. I just want to have fun playing the game, and when I have beaten it (solved all quests and missions) move on to something else. Then maybe replay it later with a different character. |
codemonkey
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Originally Posted by Diplo
Really? As a programmer myself I would be interested in hearing how you did this. What language did you use for it? What APIs to the search engines? Did you implement some kind of Bayesian algorithms? Please tell!
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by codemonkey
I'm sure he's a nice kid in real life, so ya don't have to dislike him. I've just gotten used to ignoring most of his posts because they repeat the same topic (about how much his opinion should rule over the common gamers).
Although he did lose credibility with the "do you seriously believe any of the dribble that comes out of your mouth? " topic. Thus far its a very binary topic: you either are smart, or you stupid. No real good reason to go insulting someone's opinion by using phrases that make them seem like idiots (when its really just a reflection on yourself and how you react). I don't care if your 12, 16, 21, 30, there is no good reason to insult someone that posts an opinion or a topic. If you have nothing good to say about someone.... ya know where I'm going with that ;-) CodeMonkey |
Keesa
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Originally Posted by codemonkey
Yes, do tell. I'll listen as well as I am a network programmer and would love to hear your insight into the situation. And as we are all lazy geeks we have plenty of time to read your documentation, whitepapers, and explainations!
For the most part, it sounds like something that can be done in perl/tcl with wget and some regular expressions with a back-end SQL query/set interface. You agree Diplo? ;-) Thanks, CodeMonkey |
Saerden
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Originally Posted by Stur
Role playing games are by definition a “grind”. If you want to blame someone for it blame gygax for designing D&D the way he did.
A, you start at first level B, you go out and kill monsters C, you gain levels for killing monsters and get to buy better stuff with their loot D, you go out and kill stronger monsters E, rinse and repeat The story is very is very important in RPGs but it is not everything, a sense of accomplishment is just as important and of growth of your character from one thing to another. It is a keystone to every RPG ever designed. GW is moving away from that and catering to the instant gratification crowd. Even if that sense of accomplishment is an illusion(and I’m not saying its not) when you shatter it by making all the work just a waste of time because you can reproduce it in a few minutes in the newbie town and of course your going to have jaded players. I’m not jaded, I’ve said before, I got my moneys worth but I understand people who are. |
kaya
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I happen to not agree with everyone elses point of view....which automatically makes me wrong among the masses...this I certainly understand. But my opinion is no less valid. I read numerous posts by DarrenJasper....all of which were derogatory or insulting in nature...to multiple different people. And yes...it made me question his age. My opinion is my opinion...nothing more than that. I don't expect nor would I want anyone to simply agree with it. But I certainly have as much a right to dislike the patch as any of you have to like it.
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Madjik
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Originally Posted by kaya
oh! that's nice! freekin thanks for the comment i'll go hang on my tree now. FREEK! this is what forums are for.
it's true there were many people voting for rune traders, and other things of the sort, but what about the ones who apposed the idea? I'll tell you what... it seems that apposing something is always wrong and we can for sure be downgraded to monkies if we do. Thanks for the assumption bro. WE SPEAK OUR MINDS! |
Stur
nechronius
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Originally Posted by Saerden
Congratulations, you just described SPGs (Statblock playing games). If you really, honestly think that "your character" consists of numbers only, then yo u never played a true rpg. Do you know that you can play a RPG without stats? And still have character advancement? A sense of accomplishment?
Have you ever been told to go play counterstrike because you dont talk "in character"? Then go play counterstrike, this is a Roleplaying game after all. |
codemonkey
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I wrote it in basic. It used winsock API to connect to the search engines on multiple raw data sockets to run search queries. It then connected to the websites that best matched my search terms and a set of criteria and scanned the pages for information relevant to my topic....using a hierarchial criteria set as a checksum. I'd then dump all the data into a log file and run the log file through an algorithm that would remove paragraphs of information that were relatively the same. Like I said it wasn't perfect...alot of what it pulled were entire pages or entire paragraphs of junk. But it would pull enough relevant research in hours for me to complete term papers others spent weeks researching.
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codemonkey
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I happen to not agree with everyone elses point of view....which automatically makes me wrong among the masses...this I certainly understand. But my opinion is no less valid. I read numerous posts by DarrenJasper....all of which were derogatory or insulting in nature...to multiple different people. And yes...it made me question his age. My opinion is my opinion...nothing more than that. I don't expect nor would I want anyone to simply agree with it. But I certainly have as much a right to dislike the patch as any of you have to like it.
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kaya
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Originally Posted by Madjik
I never made any assumption. Im calling it like I see it. Flaming isnt discussion. You want the problem fixed you have the sanitarium to base your ideas off of. By sitting here and splitting heads in the manner of your post your only proving yourself as a troll. You want to oppose a subject you have every right to do it, going about it in this manner wont do anything. Like I said, this isnt a discussion. its a flame war. You want to speak your mind there are far less aggresive ways to do it. That is all I ment when I said that. I apologize for being too harsh with the sentance, but thats how it is.
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Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by codemonkey
How did ya quote your sources if you cut and rip apart a ton of paragraphs from a huge list of sources?
How much memory did it consume? You do realize creating a raw socket on Microsoft windows is virtually illegal unless you use they're latest OS (unless your speaking ICMP which is one of the only areas they let raw socket creation succeed). Seems like you could have simply use a standard socket and connected to port 80, and issues the CGI posts through there. Which would get you a larget set of search results or you could use a standard GET request, but the token list can only be so long (255 I believe). If your creating raw sockets you had a lot of work ahead of you if you want to re-design the TCP state machine just to talk to a google like search engine. CodeMonkey |
Eet GnomeSmasher
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by codemonkey
Sorry, I'm not discounting your opinion. I'm disagreeing, which is all fine. My point is that you fight your opinion with insults which discredit your opinion (and your mental capacity).
I don't really care that DarrenJasper insulted you first... best way to get back at him is a civil response (then we know who the "punk n00b really is" Your not wrong about your opinion, your just wrong about your approach to making it. That's all I'm saying.. Thanks, CodeMonkey |
Madjik
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Originally Posted by kaya
apology accepted! honestly it didn't bother me that much. but this is just people speaking they're minds. And some of use are trying to discuss this. the problem is there is nobody here to keep the order and hush people up and to focus on one side then hit the other like a real discussion should be. i guess in a way it is that way, but half of it's more like this: "Your an idiot for this..." You 12 years old" "Your should quit then" If people could stop pointing fingers at others and just state they're point of view this would be more a realy discussion. :P
sorry for my finger pointing if there was any. |
codemonkey
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
I was in high school...I had no concept of what was and wasn't legal...nor did I care. I was more interested in programming than I was anything else. I was experimenting with raw sockets and had nothing else to do it with. I had grown tired of writing applications that got me free time on AOL or free CompuServe names...etc etc. It was more an exploration into Winsock API than it was to keep from having to do research for term papers.
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