People banned for "exploiting".

Just making a point, if they were to ban everyone suddenly for abusing an exploit, wouldn't it only be fair if they also banned everyone else who made use of certain advantages in the past, such as the wreckages, various farming spots and every single person who uses a skill that ends up being "fixed"?

Ofcourse, it's their server, their game, their policies like everyone's saying, but that doesn't mean their paying customers can't question these policies.

I think these bannings were to set an example for gross exploitation. I'm sorry, but 200 skill points an hour is gross, and those players knew that.

I guess there are certain degrees of exploitation a person can do. It'll depend on on how many time's a person "exploits" it and how severe it'll effect the game. Vengeance was definetly annoying, but the exploit didn't involve hundred of skill points (That meant like... thousands of hours of grinding *Not farming* exp). Of course you can easily dispute the two were similar, but I think it's fair that those who exploited it to a certain degree got banned, the rest would just be punished. (Maybe anybody that exploited it more than 2x = ban, anything less = exp removal.

Nicely said. Those who did this deserve what they get, and this isn't even in the same ballpark as the vengeance skill not working like it was intended to for whatever period of time it occured.

No, but you do with missions.

I fought my mirror once tonight, as I do most days..just for fun (I usually take him out in 10 seconds. ) and did not gain any experience, so I am guessing it was achieved through the use of some kind of glitch.. using common sense, people should know that killing their mirror repeatedly by exploiting a bug is against the rules.

Personally, I think that everybody who abused this in order to gain easy skillpoints (It's not like they're difficult to get anymore, after that last patch.) deserves to be hit with the ban stick.

You clicked agree when you installed the game, found a bug, and exploited it.

Did you expect something else to happen?

I really, I really hope StandardAI got banned.

Wow, this sucks. I haven't been able to log in and check yet but from what i've been hearing, i'm sure i've been banned too..

I went in and did augury rock a few times after the update (or maybe it was before, I don't know ) just for fun, but I don't remember getting any experience from it.

I did exactly the same thing, and am still able to play..so do not lose hope yet!

Oh man but i'm so scared right now cause i won't be able to check for another few hours

I was reading another thread that said some people couldn't fully ascend? Were those the only people who could get the extra XP?

What's that I smell? Oh yeah... DENIAL. You will not convince me and I'm sure not any more than a handful of other people who plays this game that you did not know you gained so much experience from such an obvious exploit of what was intended for the game.

Wow, you need to shut the hell up and stop instigating me. I know I can't prove anything over the internet, the only thing I can say is that I wasn't farming it for experience. I don't even remember if I went there before or after the patch, so you can leave me the hell alone.

Wind, did you get about 20 or 30 levels while doing Augery Rock? If not, then you might be ok. If you did, then that whistling you hear might be the ban stick on its way in.

Like I said before, I went in there maybe 4 or 5 times MAX and I don't even remember getting any experience.

Then why did you do it 4-5 times? Fun?

Who cares why he did? It all matters if he got the exp. The logs will show.

Now leave Wind alone.


I also seriously hope the one-line posting people posting "I really really really hope Standard got banned pretty please with a cherry and sugar on top." burn in hell.




Hahaha, the true irony.

I did it because the update said that they changed the reward, and because I was still able to get into Aurugy Rock. I figured after I ascended, that you shouldn't be able to have access to the Mesa again. I went and beat the mirror, but didn't get any EXP. I did it a few more times just because I had nothing better to do. But I never checked my experience in my attributes menu, so if I did get any experience from it, I didn't see it.

Also checking some other threads, someone said this bug only worked on certain classes that couldn't get past ascension at all? Can anyone give some clarification on this?
Thanks for understanding. If I did get the experience then I do deserve to be banned, i'm just clarifying that I didn't know about it. It just sort of sucks because i've made lots of bug reports and submitted possible hacks to ArenaNet, and this sort of thing happens.
If I do end up banned, i'll just buy the game again. It's worth my money.

Well good luck then Wind, you sound like you're on the right side, if it means anything.

i just thot i'll clear up some confusion about the various bugs/exploits:

Ascencion Bug: For non-ascended characters, you can alt-f4 during cutscence to not make yourself ascended and play your mirror again for more exp.

The abuse here is, 50k every 5 mins. That's really quite a lot and you can unlock all your skills in a matter of hours versus a matter of months. Needless to say this is a gamebreaker.

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Vengence bug: You can res allies with vengence with no negative side effects such as the insta-death after 30 secs.

This is abusive because you can get a player up in 4 secs (2 with fast casting) with full health and full energy. Not only that, but you should be able to shatter vengence since it's an enchantment but the bugged vengence had no enchantment so it could not be removed. Oh, you also get no death penalty should you die the 2nd, 3rd, 4th...time. Lots of people were using it in tombs because you would be at a severe disadvantage if you didn't. This was an extremely powerful bug when abused. Certain guilds got TONS of wins on the gvg ladder with this bug and thus rose up the ranks pretty fast.

This bug should not have gone unfixed for a week. Because of the vengence abuse, the ladder has no credibility. How can you have a competitive ladder if you sanction abuse like that?

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Bathasar's Aura Stacking: BA is an enchantment and thus shouldn't be able to stack. Meaning, you can have 10 BAs on someone and they'll walk around doing 100 dps without swinging a weapon.

You could literally kill someone in 2-3 secs just by standing next to him. However, as powerful as this abuse is, it was also very easy to counter. So this bug was hard to abuse against good teams.

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Essence Bond/Life Bond Networks: A prot monk cast life bond on all his teammates. All his teammates then cast essence bond on the prot monk. Whenever anyone gets hit on the team, everyone gains one energy. Essence bond was not suppose to trigger of the redirected life bond damage the prot monk was receiving.

Just think about how often ppl on an 8 man team gets hit. This results in unlimited energy for the entire team. If you add a healing seed to the prot monk, he then becomes a massive, walking healing ball. As powerful an exploit as this may seem, it really wasn't. Maintaining 7-9 bonds isn't easy against good teams with good mesmers or against chillblaines, well of profane, nature's renewal, etc. Plus, the wording of essence bond was vague but it did suggest that it it could be chained with essence bond so it didn't seem like an exploit. It wasn't until Anet made a patch did we know it was an exploit.

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Global Drops: GW launched with a bug that affected global drop rates of rare items. Certain locations always had extremely high lvl rare weapons.

It's hard to call this a major abuse since the game just launched and you had no idea whether this was suppose to happen or not as you had no basis of comparison. The location with all the rare items were far away in difficult EAs, so it was entirely possible to think that Anet intended for it. Hill giants have always been a good source of runes during beta so it was logical to assume that they would be a good source upon release. The real abuse was people using macros and bots to farm.

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Which abuse deserves banning? Character Deletion? I don't want to give an opinion, but there doesn't seem to be a lesser reprimand. You either seem to be banned or you're free to continue. Some games have rollbacks...

Thx for the info, Sama

Ah, that clears it up now. I was ascended when I went back to Augury. I thought the bug was just "go back in and get experience any time"

I don't believe the creator of the original thread should have been banned. I don't know what the logs say, but from what he said, he did it once a lvl18 and once more after Ascension to confirm.

I am personally against banning something for something like this. I see as expost facto; the Vengeance bug was an exploit and abused by all the top guilds in GvG. Were they reprimanded? No. It even took ANet, with their "Live Updates" one week to fix.

However, we have another exploit in PvE that gives them a great amount of EXP. Were they reprimanded? Yes, and to an extreme degree. ANet only took a couple hours to notice and a little more time afterward to fix it.

I don't agree with the bannings not because it's a bad idea, but because it doesn't follow the precedent set before it. The top guilds can get away with it, but the rest of the crowd is subject?

You're right. Bans like this will discourage players from reporting bugs in the first place. The only way to find the bug is if it is exploited, and because they have used the exploit, they can get banned. This can only hurt ANet.

They desirved that ... thats gay took me a week farming and doin everything i could (legitmate) to earn all the skills points i needed to unlock all monk and mesmer skills ... and now due to a exploit bunch of kids get it all in less then 2 hours ? thats dumb and i would quit if improves havent been taken thats very dissapoint for the ppl like me that play legit i dont even care to go around findin bugs or exploits and if i ever find one i would just leave it there cuz i dont care for it but obviously i would tell Anet about it cuz i know the next kid who find it could not think like me and abuse it so i think everyone should cooperate and help Anet keep GW a safe game cuz idiot places like that old site that ruined Diablo II aka www.blizzhackers.com is now working to ruin Guild Wars actions have to be take asap´.... i played d2 for sooo long till its end i wouldnt like to see GW dying slowly like D2 did ... actualy died in one day when yay dupe was released in public destroying the whole economy ...... Arena net as you guys can see Blizzard moved their hands against blizzhackers and forced em to shut down all their forums based on hack their games and even made em change their site name ... i think you guys need to caught blizzhackers now before it be too late ... these geeks are greedy for $$$ and ruining this game to acquire it for those who sadly spent $$$ on a game is no limits for em ... GO GO GO ARENA NET prove me i was right when i left D2 to come GW in a hope of a legitmate playing once again HUNT DOWN ALL THE HACKERS

Yep, turns out I didn't get banned. Good times.

Punctuation?

I'm not going to bother with reading the rest of this thread, but I figured it'd be worth it to voice one simple piece of logic: If you sign a contract, you are bound by it.

Now get out the noob tissues, because that's the only thing left to comfort you.

Somebody "stumbling along" the exploit would not have gotten banned. Just the morons who, say, did it 20-30 times in a row

Didn't they have to go out of their way to exploit it, like exit during the cutscene or something (I don't really know exactly what triggered it )

If someone went out of their way several times to abuse it, they are definitely not "an innocent newbie"

However, if it was easy, convenient, or natural to go "use" the bug, then it is entirely possible ONE OR TWO newbs got caught in the crossfire

Sure, some could have thought that. But such a small fraction would have

your talking like the exploiters didnt know they were exploiting. yes they did. They exploit was to quit guild wars durring the cut scene, and the exploiters did it lots and lots of times. Its like saying oh no you guys hacked but its our fault so you guys dont get banned.

For one thing, if they did finish Ascention, then the exploit wouldn't work. So your example is pointless.

Second, you agree to the TOS when you peel the shrinkwrap off the box. You buy the game fully aware that the second you open it, you agree to it. If you wanted to read it, you could've asked Anet for a copy. If you didn't bother/skipped over it/skimmed it/read it but didn't give a flying f, then guess what?

Deal with it.

Instead of giving petty bickerings in forums and inciting flame wars (which breaks yet another agreement you agreed to when you signed up for this forum), how about taking your argument to the devs? Have you even bothered to try that? Huh?

Until you do, until you take things upon your own shoulders and decide to do things for yourself (like take your argument to Anet instead of here), you'll only show that you're nothing more than a whiner. You even got an answer from one of the devs here, and it's still not enough.

Take it to them if you're gonna be so adamant. It's not like we can do anything about it anyway. Hell, if your intentions were to get the attention of the devs, there's a little bit quicker way and you know exactly where I'm talking about.

Haha the original poster makes me laugh.

Like anyone in their right mind would think doing ascension multiple times for 50k exp isn't exploiting.

Anyone who seriously thinks that should be banned for stupidity.

ANYWAY I accidentally exploited this on my friends account. He was having trouble beating his mirror, a r/me, so I got onto his account to do it for him.

The first time I got owned, the second time, I died, HOWEVER chaos storm ended up killing him. SO it gave me the 50k exp and teleported me back to augury.

GG accidental exploitation .


He hasn't been banned yet though so it should be fine.

You sign the TOS after you buy the game, not before.The devs don't care, There's no PR for the PvP side of the game, only for the PvE side.

And you know the devs won't care because.....?

Prove it. Take it to them. Quit whining.

And please read the post instead of just quoting and typing crap. I said when you peel the shrinkwrap off the box. If you're peeling the shrinkwrap off the box before you buy it, you're in for a world of hurt by a store manager.

That's like saying, because I left my house unlocked and my door open that I am to blame for your walking by and coming into my house to steal!! Are you tarded?? You have an inherent nature to steal or be dishonest and my open door just makes it easier for you.
No game is bug free early on and to tell me that those players who "discovered" an exploit or looked for and found one were lead that way by Anet.......is not only ignorant but I can't believe you even had....wait....you probably were one of those banned so I guess I can believe you'd actually bitch about it.

You agreed to the terms, you live by your word, you step out of line....don't bitch when you get smacked down.

Actually, Standard AI was not banned

I went and rebeat my mirrior yesterday after the 50K p change just to see what happened .

BTW I got 100 xp for beatinng a lvl 20 monster.

As for redoing quests I redo The Great Northen Wall whenever I'm bored. Its quite nice to crush the char at the end all by yourself.

This thread should be closed it's already a flame fest.

No, it's like someone handing you a million dollars and then the next day you get arrested for robbing a bank.

I'm not seeing where you drew this parallel