I don't even understand why there is an argument here. ArenaNet's and NCSoft's word is law - period.
If you agreed to their terms (which you did if you're playing the game) and you get caught exploiting, then they have every right to kick your ass out of the game indefinitely. Says so right in their terms and rules of conduct.
Those who exploited and weren't banned should be happy that ArenaNet took the time to distinguish between those who were and were not the heavy abusers, instead of just banning everyone. I can't say I would have shown the same restraint in the same position.
Ultimately, ignorance is no excuse. The people who wanted to abuse this glitch did, and wound up getting caught and banned. Good riddance, I say.
People banned for "exploiting".
TiC
Numa Pompilius
I nominate this for "stupidestest thread evar".
For the record, it's the clearest example of an 'exploit' (as in taking unfair advantage of a design flaw or bug I've seen since the map-bug in Medal of Honor which let you hide under the ground and shoot at the enemy. If anyone, truly, is so dumb they do not realize an 'infinite exp' bug is just that, and that taking advantage of such a bug is an exploit, that's just more reason to ban them.
As for me, this only makes me respect Anet all the more.
For the record, it's the clearest example of an 'exploit' (as in taking unfair advantage of a design flaw or bug I've seen since the map-bug in Medal of Honor which let you hide under the ground and shoot at the enemy. If anyone, truly, is so dumb they do not realize an 'infinite exp' bug is just that, and that taking advantage of such a bug is an exploit, that's just more reason to ban them.
As for me, this only makes me respect Anet all the more.
smitty-gw
Well, since I didn't get the benefits from the exploit, nor did I try to, I say sure, ban those who prospered over me. 
Kuptain
Players against the banning of the latest exploit seem to be arguing on 2 points.
1- "We are innocent!!!" - should read Gaile Gray's post.
2- "We didn't know!!!!" cannot be justified as an excuse.
It is just like visiting a foreign country, you are responsible for knowing their laws.
1- "We are innocent!!!" - should read Gaile Gray's post.
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It's really important that you guys know that we didn't ban people who hit upon this exploit accidentally or who were merely trying to complete the mission. We banned people who did this intentionally and on a repeated basis. We have complete logs of everything that these players did, and it's enormously obvious who was trying to exploit the bug and who wasn't. Those who were not, and even those who were simply marginal, were not banned. If there was even the slightest question of their involvement in intentional exploitation, we left the account unbanned. In other words, only the worst abusers were banned.
If you have questions about this, you might read the EULA and the Rules of Conduct. I'm not saying that nastily, like Read the Flippin' Manual! I'm saying it because I read it myself, just today, to make sure once again that all that we were discussing was on the up and up. The RoC calls out explicitly that players should not use exploits and that there are appropriate repercussions for their use. No one undertook this exploit (sometimes dozens of times) in an "innocent" fashion. For the good of the game, those who used the exploit -- and again, at the highest levels of abuse -- have been banned. We're sorry it was necessary. |
2- "We didn't know!!!!" cannot be justified as an excuse.
It is just like visiting a foreign country, you are responsible for knowing their laws.
eventhorizen
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PS. If you don't know the definition for entrapment, go look it up.
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If you didnt know the defination of common sense, go look it up.
Eclair
This exploit is different from the previous "bugs" because for this one you had to alt F4 out of the game at the right time.
NightStalkerXT
For Christ sake I read three of the six pages of this post and some people just dont seem to get it.
First of all to those up in arms about "you don't sign a TOS/EULA when you buy the game just after you install it and stores don't take back opened software....bla bla bla" How many games have you purchased games!?! Is the TOS/EULA ever different on any of them? The wording my be slightly different but the bottom line of ALL TOS/EULA is the same! So there is simply NO EXCUSE for violating them!!! And when you get caught then all I have to say is that you will find sympathy in the dictionary between shit and syphilis!
Now for a reminder about something:
I took the liberty of adding the bold text to the quote of Gaile Gray.
First of all to those up in arms about "you don't sign a TOS/EULA when you buy the game just after you install it and stores don't take back opened software....bla bla bla" How many games have you purchased games!?! Is the TOS/EULA ever different on any of them? The wording my be slightly different but the bottom line of ALL TOS/EULA is the same! So there is simply NO EXCUSE for violating them!!! And when you get caught then all I have to say is that you will find sympathy in the dictionary between shit and syphilis!
Now for a reminder about something:
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It's really important that you guys know that we didn't ban people who hit upon this exploit accidentally or who were merely trying to complete the mission. We banned people who did this intentionally and on a repeated basis. We have complete logs of everything that these players did, and it's enormously obvious who was trying to exploit the bug and who wasn't. Those who were not, and even those who were simply marginal, were not banned. If there was even the slightest question of their involvement in intentional exploitation, we left the account unbanned. In other words, only the worst abusers were banned.
If you have questions about this, you might read the EULA and the Rules of Conduct. I'm not saying that nastily, like Read the Flippin' Manual! I'm saying it because I read it myself, just today, to make sure once again that all that we were discussing was on the up and up. The RoC calls out explicitly that players should not use exploits and that there are appropriate repercussions for their use. No one undertook this exploit (sometimes dozens of times) in an "innocent" fashion. For the good of the game, those who used the exploit -- and again, at the highest levels of abuse -- have been banned. We're sorry it was necessary. |
Celes Tial
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Think about it for a second..
When you do a quest..do you go do it again? No.So the people who were exploiting obiviously knew they were. |
However, after realizing you just got 50k exp TWICE... then it becomes pretty obvious that at least that part is unintended.
TheDave
I agree with banning ppls accounts for this totaly but isnt this NCSofts, and ANETS fault in the long run, i mean after u finish creating a game it shud be checked for bugs, i know u cant findd them all but this to me is a major bug and flaw in the game, y was this not taken out, although i never did this exploit i wouldnt mind ppl doin it twice maybe 3 times tops, but anymore than that deserves a ban, ppl have tried weeks and weeks to kill there mirror self, and never going back to it because it was frustrating, then u get ppl doing it over and over again to get more xp, i feel for the ppl who tried ages to kill there mirror, and i agree totally with the banning.
Also read the fine print before even doing stuff like this, RETARDS!!!!!!
Also read the fine print before even doing stuff like this, RETARDS!!!!!!
Dreamsmith
Hmm. I might have taken this thread more seriously if it hadn't been started by the same guy who started a similar thread on the Guild Hall after having one of his characters deleted because he was botting.
"Waa! ArenaNet won't let me cheat! How dare they?"
"Waa! ArenaNet won't let me cheat! How dare they?"
StandardAI
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First of all to those up in arms about "you don't sign a TOS/EULA when you buy the game just after you install it and stores don't take back opened software....bla bla bla" How many games have you purchased games!?! Is the TOS/EULA ever different on any of them? The wording my be slightly different but the bottom line of ALL TOS/EULA is the same! So there is simply NO EXCUSE for violating them!!!
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Of all of these games I play, only ArenaNet bans people for their own mistakes.
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Sorry, after being a gamer for years you expect a certain standard in the TOS/EULA from the game you buy, You don't ban a person for using something you put in the game.
http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?...e=standard ai Of all of these games I play, only ArenaNet bans people for their own mistakes. |
StandardAI
Alright, I'm done posting in this thread.
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I hope the guy who was bragging about the exploit in the other post got banned, too. See, this is why you have to share these things-- if too many people did it, ANet wouldn't ban anyone.
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Its a two edged sword. Sure abusing it makes someone lame, but really, its part of the game.Personaly Im stuck in the middle - I see why developers ban it, but I also see why players do it (hey, if the game allows for it, wahoo!)
Easy-rune farming method? Should not be a ban.
Duping items? Ban.
Lasareth
Of all those games you played, I think I saw about 6 hours total on online RPGs/adventure other than GW. Games with constant feedback from a large playerbase need to make changes and react as Anet has.
Anet has been, in fact, lenient, in banning only people who had no doubt of blatant exploitation of the bug.
Go play ffxi, then you'll be glad exploiters are banned in this game. (and for an added kick, try claiming Fafnir, Nidhogg or King Behemoth!)
Anet has been, in fact, lenient, in banning only people who had no doubt of blatant exploitation of the bug.
Go play ffxi, then you'll be glad exploiters are banned in this game. (and for an added kick, try claiming Fafnir, Nidhogg or King Behemoth!)
Numa Pompilius
I see that this thread continues to chart new depths of stupidity.
1) Only law-enforcement agencies can commit entrapment. Last I checked Anet wasn't one.
2) ALL exploits are "put in the game". Hacks etc are not exploits. An exploit is when you take unfair advantage of a game design flaw or bug. Exactly like in this case.
3) Is anyone seriously claiming that anyone could play the ascension quest 15 times in a row the exact same way and quitting before finishing the quest by mistake? Come on!
4) "Only ArenaNet bans people for their own mistakes". I seriously doubt that not other publishers ban people for exploiting.
What one may discuss is whether intentionally profiting from exploits is sufficiently bad that the people doing it should be banned.
It's harsh punishment, but clearly grounds for ban, and certainly worse than naming ones avatar a naughty name like Hugh G Rection.
Anet clearly runs a tight ship, and perhaps that's the only way to avoid chaos.
1) Only law-enforcement agencies can commit entrapment. Last I checked Anet wasn't one.
2) ALL exploits are "put in the game". Hacks etc are not exploits. An exploit is when you take unfair advantage of a game design flaw or bug. Exactly like in this case.
3) Is anyone seriously claiming that anyone could play the ascension quest 15 times in a row the exact same way and quitting before finishing the quest by mistake? Come on!
4) "Only ArenaNet bans people for their own mistakes". I seriously doubt that not other publishers ban people for exploiting.
What one may discuss is whether intentionally profiting from exploits is sufficiently bad that the people doing it should be banned.
It's harsh punishment, but clearly grounds for ban, and certainly worse than naming ones avatar a naughty name like Hugh G Rection.
Anet clearly runs a tight ship, and perhaps that's the only way to avoid chaos.
mfalcon80
It takes a player greater than 50 seconds to complete the ascension quest, therefore they did not obtain the bonus. Because of this they keep doing the ascension quest to try and beat their guy within 50 seconds. It is not there fault that the game kept awarding massive amounts of experience if they were only trying to get the bonus points. However if they were doing the ascension quest over and over again to gain the large amount of experience than that is wrong and they should be punished. However; is permanently banning them from the game really an appropriate punishment? Maybe they should have just docked the players two level of experience. Any thoughts?
ManadartheHealer
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I see that this thread continues to chart new depths of stupidity.
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Stev0
I have been avoiding playing much lately, wondering if any little known areas, game combos or tricks will end up getting me banned. My brother plays it more than me now when he gets the chance and I don't want my account to get banned because of me.
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ManadartheHealer
Most likely, you won't get banned. To do this exploit, people had to really go out of their way several times to get banned...
If you do anything "by accident", your account should be safe
If you do anything "by accident", your account should be safe
Gaile Gray
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I have been avoiding playing much lately, wondering if any little known areas, game combos or tricks will end up getting me banned. My brother plays it more than me now when he gets the chance and I don't want my account to get banned because of me.
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I imagine that answer is "No." In that case, you have nothing, absolutely nothing, to worry about. It's not our intention or desire to ban people. We ban conservatively, thoughtfully, and with regret. We could have banned hundreds in the most recent event; we banned only a handful of the worst offenders. Judging from the detailed records we pulled, and the obscure process needed to achieve this exploit, there was no way this occurred as an accident.
Our objective is always fairness and consideration towards the player, coupled with guardianship and concern for the game as a whole. Please trust that such actions as we may take are necessary, fair, and are taken with great care. 99.998% of accounts won't even be looked at with an eye to checking for breaches of the EULA or RoC.
I'm sure you and your brother are just fine.
hydrak
If you repeatedly use an exploited and get logged, then you should get banned.
Stop crying!!!
Stop crying!!!
=HT=Ingram
OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.
So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still...
I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future.
So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still...
I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future.
Reiden Argrock
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OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.
So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still... I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future. |
they made the rules, your friends broke em. END OF STORY.
Hysteria
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OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.
So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still... I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future. |
Props to Anet for preserving the integrity of the community
Darc.Syde
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Wow, with alpha testers like this I'm rather surprised the game turned out as well as it did. Guess A-Net must have picked up the slack
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hydrak
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I have issues with them banning players for 'exploiting', just because the bar can be set as low as they want. Using Vengance when it was broken was clearly an exploit. The Essence Bond / Life Bond combo was technically bugged and thus using it was an exploit. While a situation like this is pretty extreme, their policy amounts to little more than 'we can ban you whenever we feel like it'.
Granted, they pretty much have that right anyway. I guess I'm just not comfortable with it. Peace, -CxE |
StandardAI
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Stev0 -- are you knowingly using exploits, up to 50 times? Are you hacking the servers? Are you running a bot?
I imagine that answer is "No." In that case, you have nothing, absolutely nothing, to worry about. It's not our intention or desire to ban people. We ban conservatively, thoughtfully, and with regret. We could have banned hundreds in the most recent event; we banned only a handful of the worst offenders. Judging from the detailed records we pulled, and the obscure process needed to achieve this exploit, there was no way this occurred as an accident. Our objective is always fairness and consideration towards the player, coupled with guardianship and concern for the game as a whole. Please trust that such actions as we may take are necessary, fair, and are taken with great care. 99.998% of accounts won't even be looked at with an eye to checking for breaches of the EULA or RoC. I'm sure you and your brother are just fine. |
ManadartheHealer
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A lot of people actually did use exploits like balth aura well over 50 times babe, but none of them were banned.
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Adaria
Personally, I am getting exhasperated at this, it has been done, it was ALWAYS against the EULA, and this was well known. Balthazaars Aura, Vengeance, whatever, those may not have been so well known. Even if they were, those were fixed easily, in this case, though it was reported, people purposely went and did the exploit over and over and over and over, knowing it might be shut down soon.
They paid the price for purposely exploiting a bug, and thus far, all the ones I have heard complaining are ones who HAVEN'T had accounts banned due to this. I have yet to read a post anywhere that has anyone saying their account was banned due to this.
So... the point of the argument is what now? Morals? It's over, its done, the EULA and ToS have been the same, but I DOUBT many of you actually READ them.
They paid the price for purposely exploiting a bug, and thus far, all the ones I have heard complaining are ones who HAVEN'T had accounts banned due to this. I have yet to read a post anywhere that has anyone saying their account was banned due to this.
So... the point of the argument is what now? Morals? It's over, its done, the EULA and ToS have been the same, but I DOUBT many of you actually READ them.
farash
Look people, this is common sense. obviously the gw team never intended you to be able to hit alt f4 to redo the mirror fight, otherwise it would be in the manual. this was a blatant exploit and deserves at bare minimum a temporary ban. that said, there are plenty of other "exploits" out there and even more yet to be found. simply put it is their job to find them and ours to find them first and keep our mouths shut untill they find them. I am mainly refering to farming locations. any other blatant exploits that are obviously not intended to be used in the game are and should be punishible offenses. as far as farming exploits, i do not agree with the developers stance on the issue. so, when i find a good farm i keep my mouth shut, as should the rest of you. cheating the game to make your charachter more powerfull, or to use a skill outside of its intended use by soft hacking the game is wrong. so if you get your account canceled you deserve it. as far as farming, i say farm on, and i hope you find me a great sword and pm me so i can buy it.
StandardAI
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You didn't go out of your way to exploit it numerous times
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ManadartheHealer
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Yeah, actually we did.
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Also, the bugged skill didn't give you thousands (possibly millions in some cases) of XP. It simply gave you a slight advantage over your opponents who didn't use it.
Captain Marvel
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Yeah, actually we did.
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I thought you said you were done posting in this forum?
I see your altruism has won out. I mean, what would the rest of us do without all your leet advice and sticking to the man.
It took deliberate action to redo the ascension and get the XP. It could not be done on accident. You seem to be arguing for your own ban in your twisted syllogisms. I would petition Anet to grant your wish.
Feli
Could i get a word on farming?
I know that farming isn't seen with the best and kindest of respect... but is it forbidden to do? Let's say, start a mission again just to kill of the first bunch of guys until the tougher guys show up.
But will farming get me banned if all i use it for is my 15k Armor and buying a Sigil for my guild? On top of that, if it is forbidden... how are we supposed to cross the gap of the former power farmes and bots?
And another thing i might notice, i tend to play in a repeative way. Let's say i go and kill mobs for a collector items. When they are dead, i re-zone in and kill them again. The problem is, always the same way. It is like a movie, the outcome always is the same and it may look HIGHLY repeative like a bot for example. Now i am scared i might be mistaken for a bot.
I know that farming isn't seen with the best and kindest of respect... but is it forbidden to do? Let's say, start a mission again just to kill of the first bunch of guys until the tougher guys show up.
But will farming get me banned if all i use it for is my 15k Armor and buying a Sigil for my guild? On top of that, if it is forbidden... how are we supposed to cross the gap of the former power farmes and bots?
And another thing i might notice, i tend to play in a repeative way. Let's say i go and kill mobs for a collector items. When they are dead, i re-zone in and kill them again. The problem is, always the same way. It is like a movie, the outcome always is the same and it may look HIGHLY repeative like a bot for example. Now i am scared i might be mistaken for a bot.
NightStalkerXT
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Gaile, In your opinion what's more immoral, getting a bunch of skill points within a computer game without ruining anyone elses gaming experience, or terminating someone's 50 dollar account? A lot of people actually did use exploits like balth aura well over 50 times babe, but none of them were banned.
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Alright, I'm done posting in this thread.
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OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.
So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still... I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future. |
Oni No Arashi
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OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.
So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still... I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future. |
Steam/Valve bans 50,000 accounts for H2 that were using a corporate CD key that had been leaked. People go and buy the game again and find out that they had been banned by IP Address and couldn't get a refund... and NO LAWYER WOULD TOUCH IT... because those people had DEFAUDED the company providing a service.
And as someone else said... if they BANNED the account, and your account name is your email address, maybe your friends need to go and attempt to re0register with their new CD-Key's with a DIFFERENT EMAIL... not Anet's fault their morons and tried to log in with an already banned account.
Who knows, using another email just might work for them.
But... they broke the rules, and can't go to the play ground again.
A REAL case comparison. You PAY to see a movie, and of course you're supposed to be considerate of others, but you bring in you just won't shut up and keep talking about the movie. The usher comes and removes you from the theater. Do you get a refund? No. You don't.
But you paid for it? So... show the courtesy that everyone else shows you and maybe you'd have some sort of case.
The EULA IS binding. There are some things that aren't, and the courts have already dealt with them. I work in the software industry... believe me, they have.
WoW bans people for camping on rooftops? Right?
You break the rules, you pay the price. Get over it.
And to the ones who did get banned and went and got another copy... use a different email address! And make sure you cycle your modem long enough to get a new IP address.
dargon
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It takes a player greater than 50 seconds to complete the ascension quest, therefore they did not obtain the bonus. Because of this they keep doing the ascension quest to try and beat their guy within 50 seconds. It is not there fault that the game kept awarding massive amounts of experience if they were only trying to get the bonus points. However if they were doing the ascension quest over and over again to gain the large amount of experience than that is wrong and they should be punished. However; is permanently banning them from the game really an appropriate punishment? Maybe they should have just docked the players two level of experience. Any thoughts?
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VOD Katsumoto
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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram
OK case in point you guys want too just take it, fine... I understand that. and again I am not banned but two of my friends are. So Fine.. They went out and bought the game again. Dumb I told them but they did. Guess what Within 5 mins of them installing it, they were locked out again. So even buying another game is not sufficient for Arenanet as punishment, they are discriminating against people with NO recourse for correction. NONE. there is no way for Any of these people to rejoin the game, even buying another copy. The Bug has been FIXED and they are willing to start ALL OVER AGAIN, They Bought the game Twice and ARENANET is Still being a tight-ass. Now do you see why we are upset? This is WRONG! They should have just deleted the characters that did it, not locked out the entire accounts, AND they made it so that even if you do go buy another copy, It gets locked out as well, by your e-mail and address.
So that makes 4 cd-keys I know of at least that were purchased with good intentions, only to be defrauded by abuse of power within the system. I smell Class Action Lawsuit. If there are as many as I suspect locked out, and they also go and repurchase the game only to find they are not able to get in still... I have resorted to putting warning stickers on boxes in our Retail store that this company will not allow you back in if you were locked out for ANY REASON, so do not buy this product again. I have canceled all orders coming to the store because I refuse to stock this product in the future. |
Ollj
For vengenance (hi i'm new):
I prefer vengenance to Rebirth and all other res-spells.
I used it and noticed the bug myself, also knowing it was way overpowered then.
I Still kept (and keep) using vengenance no matter if its bugged or not.
I did not change to something else to exploit it, did not exploit it in competetive gameplay.
They fixed it quickly and I still use vengenance a lot.
I prefer vengenance to Rebirth and all other res-spells.
I used it and noticed the bug myself, also knowing it was way overpowered then.
I Still kept (and keep) using vengenance no matter if its bugged or not.
I did not change to something else to exploit it, did not exploit it in competetive gameplay.
They fixed it quickly and I still use vengenance a lot.