Droknar's Rushers

If the game was linear you wouldn't be able to explore/quest outside of the most current mission you have completed.....which is the entire draw of the Guild Wars crowd...the fact that you can explore anywhere you want without having to stay within the story line.

Got Life?

I'd like to say that Forge runs are a great thing. I'm working on my 4th toon (a Ranger) and I already have a monk, warrior, and mesmer. After you've been through the missions _twice_ the hard way, that end-game armour certainly makes the "grind" less onerous. I enjoyed watching my runner zoom past hordes of giants, trolls, birds, tankle briefly with a few worms, and then deliver my toon safely to the Forge.

Prices have also come down, my first run cost me 6K, this one cost me 3K. Although this runner, a Wa/Mo, wasn't anywhere near as fast as my first runner, a Wa/Ra. I also tried two other runners this time, both of them did not make it past the worms and trolls. I think the runners are actually enjoying the challenge of doing it -- the monetary reward just makes it worth their while (since they arn't getting drops). Overall, it is a win-win.

Interestingly enough, the Wa/Mo that did make it, didn't use mending. I think he was just a primary warrior (strength/tactics) without any healing. The ones that failed were mending-based builds -- only the mending wasn't anywhere near as good to keep up with the damage. Being able to sprint just a little longer, or use endure pain for that extra 50 hp seemed to make the difference more than a few pips of regen (when it isn't stripped by the bird people).

Good clean fun.

Sorry, I guess my response was a bit vague. I meant, that It would hardly hurt the game if they cut Lorimars pass off from Beacons perch.

For those who want an outpost there for explorable reasons, They can just add a camp in Lorimars (with a few skill quests for enticement) for those who want to explore up in that region.

The game already has a few linear elements since you are barred from the desert unless you complete Sanctum Cay, and the Ring of Fire unless you complete Thunderhead Keep. Cutting roughly the beginning of the game from the end of the game would hardly break Guild Wars.

Anet already prooved they don't wan't people shortcutting a huge portion of the content when they nerfed the auto20 from ascension a few patches ago.

you'd have to be a pretty low level to not get to 20 with 50,000 XP....i've seen one person that didn't hit 20 after ascending and he ascended at level 13.

No, those people slow me down and all the people around them. I make it a point not to let those people in, even if they get road ragish. It's not the point that they're skipping ahead to save themselves time, it's that they're costing us time.

It's really a bad analogy. People going to Droknar's doesn't slow me down. I can't see how it speeds them up either, but whatever.. could care less if it doesn't affect me.

So hey, if you want to do something that helps yourself, go nuts. But don't make it at the expense of others. In this case, it doesn't hurt anyone else.. so who gives a crap. If you try to merge over in front of me though, I'll have a problem with it.. and so should the rest of us.

The point still remains: If they were perfectly fine with lvl 3's ascending, they would have simply left it the way it was.

And yes, you can auto20 if you are level 14ish when you ascend. That's still a far cry from the lvl 3s that did it before.

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Ah a ray of sunshine on a otherwise cloudy day.

Actually it's more like the people who don't have time to wait for either lane and use the shoulder, and if you've ever driven in LA you know what I'm talking about.

I've come to the conclusion, there are two different topics here:

1) People who want to compare and contrast the reasons why they want to get through Lorimars at a low level(paying someone to help), and if its a exploit to do so. To which I say NO. It's not a exploit, although I'd say it's very cheesy.
2)Porting people through zones they would not oridinarly be able to survive, by rezzing them at the zone points. That is a exploit in my view.

I think the fix was more for people that were already lvl20 when they ascended...as before the fix they got nothing.

It doesn't matter who you replied to, your argument is false.

Creston

Let's call them what they are: LANE WEAZLES!! I fully enjoy moving over just enough to make sure they have to go into the rumble strips and can't get by me. Love it when Truckers work together at the same thing.

To the point of the thread. There is no reason not to try and go the hard way to Drokar's Forge. I look at it as a challenge. If one chooses not to..then so be it. It is not cheating...it is another way to solve a problem or reach a solution.

I actually enjoy making these runs. It is a challenge unlike any other in the game...I think it requires more adaptive thinking and strategy than just about any other pve experience...it's also a nice change of pace from the standard gameplay. Variety is a good thing.

That's from a runner perspective. From a runnee's perspective, I've gone through the missions 3 times not counting all the re-runs helping guildies. They become a chore. I don't condone grabbing uber-eq and using it in newbie arenas, but if you're just trying to get to the meat of the game asap I can't think of any compelling reason not to take shortcuts where shortcuts are available.

Correct. However, this thread was begun to thank and recommend a runner to people. Certain other people I won't name turned it into a whine about how its so unfair and takes away from blah blah blah.

I'm appalled that it's gone this far. If arenanet cared, they would've changed it.

So lets talk about something else, like why some people get to level 20 and the end missions yet have absolutely no sense of strategy or cooperation and drop out of the mission because someone told them they didn't listen.

I'd rather have a level 13 rushed from Lornars.

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Just to add a small addendum to an earlier post:

13.47 minutes was pre update where Anet attempted to nerf snake.

Post-patch is now 15' 50". I still believe that is the fastest run. Zob is pretty close, and charges half of what I do.

For those reading this, I also offer _many_ more runs, but I generally only offer them to previous clientele or those who my fellow runners know to be a legit client.

Also:

I personally ran Beltrami Klien before he started running himself, good to see he learned a thing or two along the way.

Ok people, listen to this :

I haven't completed the game yet and im level 17, i got rushed to Droknars at level 14 for a couple of reasons.

1) To do missions easier -armor

2) I don't play that much, so with the armor, i can farm easier and get better stuff with my time range

Most of the people that think its an exploit either play a LOT, are hypocritical, ignorant, think the are GOD, think they are always right, or don't look at views of other people

What kind of moron would think that they get rushed to fight in low level arenas, what do you get out of that????

Rushing to Droknar hurts nothing, unless you are a jealous, ignorant, and inconciderate a*hole

Think of the people that don't have 24/7 to play the game, and actually have lives

Well, Zero, you sure told us. LOL!

I am the mother of a 3 year old. I get about 3 hours MAYBE to play on a good day (after the minion goes to bed). Most days I don't play at all. I didn't get rushed anywhere and have two 17+ characters and 2 10+ (yeah, I'm a bit ADHD when it comes to chars LOL!).

Saying that you don't have the time, yadda yadda yadda, is a decent argument for being 'rushed' but you lose your advantage by name calling.

That said, I still wish AN would implement a +/-5 levels for party formation. That would eliminate -some- of the rushing 'problem'.

Actually I'm more of a demi-god (in lower case only though)

...but YOUR'RE not the one looking at the views. Firstly the game is designed around casual gaming. I can only play around 2 hours max cause the game isn't too indepth (not saying I don't like it) but I manage to have 2 character non-rushed progressing through the game. No I don't expect to be level 20 in a week.

Secondly the rushing isn't so much of a problem, it's the way it's done. If you can get a group of equally low level characters to rush through, more power to you... but in most cases a high level player is needed to zone a lowbie through which is exploiting the game mechanics.

Since Anet hasn't addressed it I guess if you feel comfortable doing it, go ahead. But don't give an excuse and say we're not looking at the views

I know why people rush and if they want to do it cool....but that doesn't make it any less cheap. And yes I do agree there need to be level limits on armor.

hehe, yeah, I am sure that is why people drive on the shoulder....because the view is nicer

Another superb rusher is Aegis Nejad, only 4k, does an excellent job.

Edit: I got a hold of him in game tonight, and he is going to attempt to rush me from Droknar's to Granite Citadel. I will post later how it goes.

you can also get rushed to droknars for the SKILLS, which is would make a lot of the previous pve more interesting. but i guess you already knew that, since you know why people wanna get rushed.

i did my first rush yesterday. But not to droknars. from ascalon to sanctum cay, then to desert. ascended at 14. if you think it is that easy, and CHEAP, go ahead, AND TRY YOURSELF. be a good boy. dont buy armor for the arena.
But try to ascend at that level.

I can tell you one thing: the last two playing days were the most guild wars fun i ever had. the whole guild had a lot of fun, we explored areas we never saw, met new friends (and members now ) and now have more chars with more skillpoints in our guild to unlock all the skills.

If you fear someone, who needs to bash people in low arenas with droknars armor, youre not much of a good player. Find nice people that know theyre way around, get some lectures, and then beat a droknar-rushed to pulp.
Chances are none of them are in an arena anyways, and you lost to equal people

but hey, maybe one day, you can create a char, and ill give you a hike, not to droknars (i didnt learn how to do that yet) but to ascension. bet you will like it. maybe you stop being so stubborn then.

On a side note - I ran to Dunes with a caster monk today while with a ranger. We both took = hits then I sacrificed at the end. Teamwork > all if you're not godly!

From the point of view of a rusher and someone who takes the long way round I don't really see what the problem is. If you want to take the time to explore and run through the missions normally like I do why does it matter if someone gets rushed through? I can certainly see why on the second or third time through a shortcut to make things faster not necessarily easier is a good thing. Personally I'm never going to have a character run from Beacons Perch to Droknar even though I run other people for cash. It's their choice, why does it affect me?

I've only being rushing people for a few days and haven't failed to get anyone to Droknars yet (aside from two guys who jumped out at Rankor to avoid paying). I may not be the fastest or best but I've made money faster than I could ever manage to get by farming or playing the economy and I get a real challenge in PvE, why is this a problem?

What I do is no worse than people who farm intensively or people who play the economy to make money. I'd like to think it's better since the cash is just a nice bonus. It's the thrill and the challenge which are going to keep me coming back.

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I usually charge 4k per person or a flat 10k for any size group (1-5) that doesn't want to hang around waiting for me to form a party. Not claiming to be the best or fastest but I haven't failed anyone yet. (I'm on the European server)

whats the problem of rushing.....if someone is willing to take you their or for a fee.....in order to obtain the best armour in game statwise the rest of missions would be a breeze

Note: I recently rushed my Lvl12 warrior to D.Forge in order to use him for GvG purposes asap

I have 2 lvl20 characters already and dont fill like completing in all of the repetitive missions and quests again

Yes I did thanks for claifying though

That's quite an accomplishment. I don't think I ever mentioned ascention, so I don't know if you really got the point of my post so let me reiterate:

If you can get through without paying a high level to merely port you through
each zone then you are awesome. badass, elite- whatever word you want me to use.

But if yo pay someone to port you by dying while the other guy runs through through from zone to zone, that is a cheap exploit. I'm glad you found a way through, I don't know how you did it. But if anyone uses that method you'll never convince me otherwise.

For some reason or another you're confusing the actual exploit for reason to go. If you didn't get there that way I never inferred that you did that is great. I just object to that method...evidently you're quite defensive about it


I'm glad your enjoying yourself...seriously. I enjoy myself tremndously and yes I jump into PvP from time to time. I don't think I've ever bashed people who have that armor in the arenas, but you'll excuse me if I'm not too impressed becasue probably paid someone to help them get it. If they get it by themselves THEN I will be impressed.

Ironically in most games, most people can brag because rely on their own skills.. not the one they have to pay someone to help get. (disclaimer: not saying you did or not) just a thought.

aside from the obvious problem of using droknar's armor in low level arenas (which i think is completely unacceptable), i think for Anet, there are a couple of negative aspects of rushing...

if you rush and get droknar's armor to make the game easier, then the game will become easier, and you may get bored with the game quicker (no challenge) -- this may cause you to quit the game.. bad for Anet.

also, having this great armor may cause you to be lazy and not learn your profession properly... causing you to get really frustrated later on in the game -- this again may cause you to quit the game... again, bad for Anet.

as for the PvP aspect, where you need to get skills ... i have no problem with rushing for that purpose.

Gee, since you profit from it it really doesn't surprise me that you'd see no problem with it. I'm sure people who run bots can give you all sorts of reasons why they do it...and see nothing wrong with it. Does that make it right?

But that is a cheap shot I appologise. If you actually have people who are running with run through the zone points alive. Rationalising why you do what you do is a separate issue though. If thats the way you want to make money and if they allow it then that's your perrogative. I do notice however no one wants to try to rationalise the actual exploit just the reason for doing so.

So yea you make alot of money, you have fun, and people who don't want to play through the game get thier armor (and whatever else early) early... I'm sure you see nothing wrong with it. But it doesn't make it right nesessarily.


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Play the game through, enjoy the ride. The developers worked hard so you would have a rich gaming experience. You'll save yourself 4k (atleast) and you'll have a greater sense of satifaction. Imagine you didn't have to pay someone to help you, how cheesy is that? Advice: free of charge

Has anyone rushed/been rushed from Droknar's to Granite Citadel? Man the devs sure went haywire in Frozen Forest... what the hell is with all the Summit Arcanists having elite skills? IMO if you cannot capture an elite skill from an enemy, that enemy should not have it. Then there is the matter of the bajillion Stone Summit patrolling the area - I sat back and counted one (1) patrol and it had over 40 dwarves in it! WTF?! I think 8 of them were Dolyak Riders (read: healers), so I don't see how anyone could take that mob on and live. I finally snuck around that giant patrol, only to get jacked repeatedly by Azure Shadows in the final stretch to Copperhammer Mines. I gave up around 4 am LOL... but I am recruiting guildies to help me get through that cursed area. In a way it's kinda fun, even though it pisses me off - it's a new challenge.

The guy up above is charging 4k maybe he can give you a discount for this area j/k

Not at all, but I would like to think that even you would admit there is a clear difference between using an outside program against the EULA to make in-game money (usually to sell on E-Bay) without any effort and single -handedly running from Beacons Perch to Droknars for in-game money to buy yourself a set of 15k armour and nice weapons and equipment.

Well I would strongly dispute that it is an exploit for a start. Is farming an exploit? Is manipulating the economy an exploit? Because aside from Droknar rushing and the UW/FoW (which us Europeans can rarely get into at reasonable hours) thats pretty much the only way to make enough for 15k armour or pay the prices people want for good weapons and equipment.

I don't see what I do as any worse than what farmers or economists do. We all use game mechanics to make in-game money. And it would be very easy for A.Net to stop us if they felt it was an exploit even without making fighting through much more difficult than it already is. And at the end of the day it's not up to you or me what is an exploit and what is not, it's up to A.net and believe me it would be very easy for them to stop solo runs as they exist right now. But since they haven't yet, there's no way I'm going back to desperately trying to rake together the cash to beat the prices that people who farm 6+ hours a day can afford.

You're right, not necessarily. But again who decides what's right, you, me, my customers or A.net? I would think it's up to them and I haven't recieved any temp. ban or warning for it so far. A.net doesn't have to put half the effort they do into stopping botting and nerfing farming areas to stop me but they don't so I take that to be at least tolerance if not acceptance or even encouragement.

For people on their first time through that's exactly what i say, play through on your own. But for people who've been there, done that and got sick of the griefers and just want to have fun without repeating the less interesting parts, people who only want to PvP etc there's absolutely no reason to run through the jungle and the desert and ascension in order. They've seen those bits getting through them quicker so they can get to FoW/UW, PvP, unlock things for PvP with faction etc should and are allowed to do so and even if I prefer to take my time, those that don't should be allowed to play their way too. (and if it also let's me get the 15k armours, why should I object )

i still vouch for geo stigma. he ran 5 of us to droknar's for free and he's still fast. awesome, simply awesome.

some guy (forgot his name) gave me a ride to Droknars. he didnt really care how much we paid. nice guy

I have no problem with this because I went through the game the normal way with 3 characters... yes, it took forever and I have still yet to get 2 of them through the Ring of Fire. Well, since it isn't allowing someone to dupe, I don't have a problem with it.

Two things about this that the rushees need to consider. First, you may be down on gold and the guy may be a scammer, but most importantly, you will be missing out on a lot of opportunities to increase your skill points, attribute points, and the number of skills you have; that is, unless you go back and do the game with your nifty armor

The only advantage this would give someone is better chances for PvE, in all practicality.

pretty much. most people just want the armor, then the rest of the game is easier. some lvl 10's and below go to the arena's with droknar's armor.

I actually think it should only be possible to make this run with 2-3 people, although I've made a small fortune running people.

Throw a few ice imps at key locations, and job done.

I agree there is a huge difference, but my point is I'm sure if you asked them they would have a reasoned it out that it was ok. So, just because someone 'thinks' it's ok doesn't always make it so.

Hrmmm those are sorta loaded questions in the fact that a person CAN exploit the economy and a person CAN exploit farming. But in and of themselves they are not.

I've said a gajillion times, the running of Drokar's isn't exploiting (or anywhere else), it's the method used by some people to do it. Just like there were people exploiting certain things that pertain to farming.... which were exploits.

I agree Anet makes the desision, but I ask you this- Don't you someone who especially likes PvP and wants to play through the game, not pay someone to get them through at a disadvantage? I know Anet has to accomodate everyone, but where should the balance tip?

Do you think the game has been balanced for people to wear 15k armor or the armor that that relative level character might play?

Do you think the zone points were meant so high level characters could rez lo level characters?

If the game is that great shouldn't you want to play through it all?

I dunno, like I said I play the game through, sell to merchants and play PvP for fun so all this doesn't really affect me. I just can't belive the length people will go to rush through a game that by most MMO standards is pretty damned easy. It's been out how long now, and how many people here have multiple lvl 20 characters? But that is sorta off topic.

There's a really easy way for Anet to fix this, basicly giving the doylak mesmers imaginary burden (they already have it) made it a lot harder already. (impossible without remove hex). More mesmer type skills, or give the ice golems ice spikes would ruin a lot for rushers.

But they simply didnt do that, so they support it.

These are some prices for runs Anton Hanneman and I do.

Beacon's to Droknar's Forge - 10k
Elona Reach (Completion of Mission) - 4k
Dunes of Despair (Completion of Mission) - 12.5k
Ascalon City to Droknar's Forge - 25k

We will also do custom jobs if asked, for the right amount. Our prices are a little higher than others, because we feel we provide the best and fastest service available. When you want to get somewhere on the map fast, Trust LRS!

Lol...10k? People actually pay that?

You can get the Droknars run for as little as 1.5k now. So many people are doing it that it's driven the prices into the ground.

The only reason I'd do it is if I were a warrior. With my caster I rarely get hit anyhow, so the higher armor doesn't make that much of a difference.