"It's just a game.."

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Thats why added the smiley face behind the grow up. Seriously people these days take things way to seriously and one of them is online gamming. If you cant handle insults to your online characters then wtfs gonna happen in real life?

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

Eyahl, I agree with your last post 100%. When I play my various characters (Me/Mo, Mo/R, R/W, W/Me), they are all me to one extent or another. I speak through them to those with whom I am gaming. GW is -not- an RPG. When I want to be someone else, I run off to my favorite persistent world for Neverwinter Nights. There I might choose to be a pirate that, in fact, does run around insulting other -characters-.

Therein lies the difference: GW is NOT an RPG so when one is flamed by others, it is the character's OWNER that is being insulted. In an RPG or MMORPG, one character insults another character, not the character's owner.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Honestly how the hell do you people handle insults in real life?

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rhode Island, USA

[UC] Uber Crew

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
Thats why added the smiley face behind the grow up. Seriously people these days take things way to seriously and one of them is online gamming. If you cant handle insults to your online characters then wtfs gonna happen in real life?
You ****ing *insert naughty words * arent insulting the online characters. You are insulting the person. I'm sure you dont say "OMG your character wears glasses!!11!1!!1!"
But you are saying "*insert really bad insults here*"

language edit by me

Indigo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ivory and Steel

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
I dont take insults in online games serious... why? because its a make believe world. Just as if iam dreaming and a guy calls me a retard in my dream. Am i going to take offence to that in real life? NO! because its not real. The online world is not a real place.
Granted.

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Guild wars is not a real place, its a fantasy mmorpg and if some one insults me iam not going to cry at my desk top in real life.
But it is a real place. It's at everyone's computer. It's not a dream. It's not a make believe place that only happens in my mind. It's real enough to know, if you are a sane, mature person, that insults still carry weight to some people even in an online situation.

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Insults in real life face to face hurt because they are about YOU the person and what that person is thinking about you.
Insults in game are about you because your character is your representation in that game world. You're not calling an AI/NPC names... you're talking to a breathing human being at the other end of the 'net. Insults are still real world things, even when online.

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No one cares what they think about you in the online world. Wtf...
The way you should have said that is, "HellRaiser doesn't care about anyone in an online world"... That's the only thing you've said, over and over and over again.

Fact: You have no right to ruin someone elses experience, be it life, game or any other type of experience. There is no such unalienable right. And only the shallow-minded or completely immature would think so.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

The actual "game" aspect is not being talked about. If you kill someone in PvP, and /dance, that's not a real problem. It's when someone online runs around making racist comments, extremely rude comments. or verbally attacking you that it becomes a problem. When you insult someone through a game, or through any other means of communication, just because you cannot see them doesn't mean you aren't insulting them.

When I am in guild wars, I do some roleplaying. Hell, my monk is running around Droknar's in nothing but his underwear (cold ). But I have never, will never, and never will want to insult someone anywhere. Ever. Because that is simply common decency. If you can't comprehend that, I am terribly sorry.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Ignoring the obvious poster I'd just like to state the fact that Online gaming IS real life. For some people it's a hobbie, for some it's even a way to make real money. For many like myself it's not a way to escape reality, it's a computer game I like to have fun with.

What some people seem not to realise, and I don't know if it's because they were brought up in a skip or by trolls or lived on the streets or something, but MOST of us don't actually happen to tolerate being insulted. I myself don't really make a habit of getting insulted, after all why SHOULD I be? There is nothing about me that requires an insult. It's just because some sad people wish to insult me that it ever happens.

Playing a computer game is a part of real life. Hands up who would tolerate being insulted via email or in a chat room. I don't see why a Multiplayer game gives people the excuse to be rude.

Why do people want to be rude and insult each other anyway? If you ask me, THEY need to switch off their computers and go vent their frustration somewhere else.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

GUILD WARS Is infact not a real place on earth. Its a a bunch of pixels.

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

Amen, Brother Mandar. Amen.

Oh...and my monk also runs around in nothing but blue ink and her skivvies. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

People like you that say online gamming is real life are the ones your families should look out for.

gamer87

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Dark Forgotten

Mo/R

I cannot believe the attitude that so many people that play massively multiplayer games have adopted these days. They say things like oh come on it's just a game after they rip you off for a certain item. if you yourself have this attitude then the loss the other person that takes this game seriously feels will far outweigh any temporary benefit you may recieve. I myself have come across favorable circumstances when it comes to this game, I have yet to cheat or be cheated. Just as there are fencing competitions and martial art competitions in real life, no one takes offence if you participate in an equally consensual match and they die. When you are rude to someone or promise them something and then renegg on your word that is when people take offense. A young teen killed himself when someone stole his everquest file courtesy of a third party program. A man was murdered when he refused to return someones golden sword after borrowing it in Guild Wars. So just remember that which you call a game is of great importance to many people. Be considerate as I myself would hate to hear of another such tragedy.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

racism online and offline i would never do that. But come on people. Saying you are a noob is the oldest insult ever. Honestly do you people really take offence to the word noob still?

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
People like you that say online gamming is real life are the ones your families should look out for.
You sir should seek professional counseling about how to treat other human beings properly. Nobody ever said it was real life. But are you denying that there are REAL people playing? Because then it is you who need the help.

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rhode Island, USA

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
People like you that say online gamming is real life are the ones your families should look out for.
I've stated this for the third time now. You arent insulting the characters. You are insulting the person.

Edited for language. Wheee ^_^

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

"A young teen killed himself when someone stole his everquest file courtesy of a third party program. A man was murdered when he refused to return someones golden sword after borrowing it in Guild Wars"

This is why people who take online games too seriously including insults should still be able to play online games? come on.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

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QTF we appreciate your support but we don't want you banned for abusive language Try to keep cool.

Hellraiser if you post one more post that does not in some way make a decent contribution to this thread, then I will personally email EnDinG and get you banned from the forum, cos basically mate.. you're spamming sh*te

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by QTFsniper
Are you ****ing thick headed you idiot. I've stated this for the third time now. You arent insulting the characters. You are insulting the person.
The online person, i dont know you in real life. If i call you a noob in game im not calling you a noob in real life. I dont even know who the hell you are and if you take offence to it then your playing online games way to much.

Garrett

Garrett

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Triple X {XXX}

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
GUILD WARS Is infact not a real place on earth. Its a a bunch of pixels.
You could say the same thing about a book. Oh, it's just a bunch of paper, ink, and glue. Yet books can communicate ideas the same as speaking an idea to a person's face. The same goes for online communication.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl
QTF we appreciate your support but we don't want you banned for abusive language Try to keep cool.

Hellraiser if you post one more post that does not in some way make a decent contribution to this thread, then I will personally email EnDinG and get you banned from the forum, cos basically mate.. you're spamming sh*te
Have me banned for posting my opionion you dont agree with in a stupid thread that was pointed out to me anyway? Maybe you should quit the online world.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
The online person, i dont know you in real life. If i call you a noob in game im not calling you a noob in real life. I dont even know who the hell you are and if you take offence to it then your playing online games way to much.
You think Guild Wars characters walk and talk by themselves?!

Roflmfao!

You're insulting the player for not knowing how to play.

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And no, rules of the forum mate. Go read em. You're gonna get a thread locked by winding people up.

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

""A young teen killed himself when someone stole his everquest file courtesy of a third party program. A man was murdered when he refused to return someones golden sword after borrowing it in Guild Wars"

This is why people who take online games too seriously including insults should still be able to play online games? come on."

How about "Hellraiser was beaten to death by his angry neighbour, who couldn't stand his "YOU N00B" anymore" ? You just don't get what everyone is saying, don't you?

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

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I was wondering if there was a way to have people banned.

HellRaiser: If you want to contribute, please do so. Otherwise, go spam another topic, would you?

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
People like you that say online gamming is real life are the ones your families should look out for.
People like you that say "online gamming" is real life are the ones whose english grammar teacher should look out for.

Education will come later, you're still one step behind that.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
The online person, i dont know you in real life. If i call you a noob in game im not calling you a noob in real life. I dont even know who the hell you are and if you take offence to it then your playing online games way to much.
Please, stop while your behind.

Personally, I like to go online to get away from jackasses. When I stumble upon one, it is never fun.

"Ha, I called you a n00b!! 1337 haxxor!!1!one1!11!"

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

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EDIT: I'm stopping my post. I'll probably get myself banned

HellRaiser

Banned

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Zodiac braves

E/Me

Im not spamming if this topic was pointed out to me, which it was. This thread was a connection to my thread meaning shes trying to ressurect a closed thread.

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

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*zips laughing lips at Mormegil's post* I will not insult, I will not insult....

There's no place like home....Oh Auntie Em! There's no place like home!

*runs off laughing hysterically at Mormegil*

Another good laugh today. My poor Dr. Peppered monitor.

gamer87

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Dark Forgotten

Mo/R

This hell raiser is a fool. So hellraiser are you claiming that you can prevent such people from playing the game. I hate people like you who feel that just because they dont set the fire it is not their responsibilty to help quell the flames. So these people they are just idiots right. No one should try and understand them reach out to them treat them with decency. you make me sick and its taking everything i have to keep myself in line. people who kill themselves over a game are not freaks, they are simply misguided. every time i hear one of these stories it reminds me of why i have to treat people with respect whether ina game or in real life. Perhaps one day you will learn that your actions have consequences and you will develeop a little something called a conscience.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
Im not spamming if this topic was pointed out to me, which it was. This thread was a connection to my thread meaning shes trying to ressurect a closed thread.
Actually it wasn't you in that thread I was referring to.

This thread allows people of similar mind to express how they feel to the people who don't understand. It's something I think people should read.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Maybe the internet should not be made avalable to any one anymore. People who can not take online insults are a danger to our real world. Insults are a human nature. We insult people and the people who are insulted and can handle it build them selves up and make them better.

Like this fat kid i once knew, he said if he was not humiliated and taunted he would have not have the motivation to lose weight and to make him self better now he looks real good.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl
Actually it wasn't you in that thread I was referring to.

This thread allows people of similar mind to express how they feel to the people who don't understand. It's something I think people should read.
The scam thread which you were referring to was my thread and yes you said you were referring to me in this starting topic.

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

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Then if it is a closed thread, why not leave it? And, actually, YOU and the thread you started (that was subsequently closed) were not the original topic. While you may enjoy the attention, those of us who find this topic interesting and want to engage in a civil discussion, would like to continue it. If you can offer something besides "Gee it's just a game and I don't know you IRL", please do. Otherwise, there are lots of other places that you could expound on your philosophy of online gaming. Leave this to those of us who want to discuss civility or its lack in the gaming world today.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by gamer87
"This hell raiser is a fool." .
So are you taking my side or their side in online insulting? Cause i think calling some one a fool is a insult =)

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
Im not spamming if this topic was pointed out to me, which it was. This thread was a connection to my thread meaning shes trying to ressurect a closed thread.
No. She's probably trying to ressurect a well written answer, but she's failing.

ManadartheHealer

ManadartheHealer

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Join Date: May 2005

Awaiting GW2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
Insults are a human nature.
That is an excuse for people who are too weak themselves to stop their inappropriate behavior.

People will say anything is "human nature", when in fact you actually DO have control over the way you act.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Then if it is a closed thread, why not leave it? And, actually, YOU and the thread you started (that was subsequently closed) were not the original topic. While you may enjoy the attention, those of us who find this topic interesting and want to engage in a civil discussion, would like to continue it. If you can offer something besides "Gee it's just a game and I don't know you IRL", please do. Otherwise, there are lots of other places that you could expound on your philosophy of online gaming. Leave this to those of us who want to discuss civility or its lack in the gaming world today.
Iam indulging in civil conversation. You my friend dont like my opionion and cant handle that you have no civil response to my opionion have to turn me out into some troll/spammer as other people like to do when they are backed into a corner.

Indigo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ivory and Steel

N/Me

You are, as through all 3 pages of this thread, missing the point.

It's not whether you call someone a n00b/newb/noob, it's whether or not you've insulted them.

Calling someone a noob is somewhat accepted, sadly, as the norm for expressing displeasure in game. But that doesn't make it right. Additionally, that is far from the point.

The point is, you do not have the right to insult anyone...

gamer87

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Dark Forgotten

Mo/R

Perhaps something good can come from insults every once in a while it does provide motivation. This man obviously had quite some inner strength and decided that a change needed to be made and so he lost weight. The thing is hellraiser that do not think this gives you license to act like a jerk. Do you really feel that you will help the vast majority of people with your insults. Not all people are of that mold, many will crumble under the pressure. You my friend have proabably been given far more in life then you deserve but remember there are those of us who have to limp.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
Maybe the internet should not be made avalable to any one anymore. People who can not take online insults are a danger to our real world. Insults are a human nature. We insult people and the people who are insulted and can handle it build them selves up and make them better.

Like this fat kid i once knew, he said if he was not humiliated and taunted he would have not have the motivation to lose weight and to make him self better now he looks real good.
To anyone who thinks along the same lines as this guy... I think if we asked people to give a show of hands, we'd find that the number of people who expected to be insulted on a daily or weekly basis would be a very low one.

I personally don't make a habit of hanging around people who insult me. Hence the guidlines for games such as these stating that people should remain civil to others so no-one's gaming experience is ruined.

It won't make you unhappy to NOT insult people, but it makes people unhappy TO be insulted. Who should really get right of way here.

DarrenJasper

DarrenJasper

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl
Hellraiser if you post one more post that does not in some way make a decent contribution to this thread, then I will personally email EnDinG and get you banned from the forum, cos basically mate.. you're spamming sh*te
Playful Kitty, is that you?