"It's just a game.."

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
A digitial character controlled by a real person.. so if a digital character such as a npc makes fun of my digital character should i sue the people that made guildwars? Since iam the person behind my character that iam controlling?
There's a difference between saying "OMG, your avatar looks like #$%#" and "YOU MF NOOB". Don't tell me you are RPing so much and insult in-game character - after all, you keep claiming that it's just a game.

Indigo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ivory and Steel

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
I signed it because i also agree with him. I agree with you guys that insulting can go to far and insulting is also a bad habit but on the other hand you guys have to agree with me that this is just a game and some people also take the game way to far.

Anybody can take anything too far. (Cosplay anyone *shudder*). But when someone says that they "have the right" to do something that goes against any sort of moral bearing that most people should have, is beyond most rational mature people.

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rhode Island, USA

[UC] Uber Crew

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
A digitial character controlled by a real person.. so if a digital character such as a npc makes fun of my digital character should i sue the people that made guildwars? Since iam the person behind my character that iam controlling?
If an NPC seriously insults you, something is wrong with the NPC. And no you cant sue the poeple that made guild wars. You are the person who paid for the license to use the game. They dont need you around. If you dont like it, then you can just stop playing. You cant legally sue them anyways, it's their game and they can make it however they like. I'm sure they would be reasonable and if they see it the way you do, they will change what the NPC says.

EDIT: nevermind, Take back all of what I said up there. The NPC can insult your character all he wants. The different is that the players arent insulting the other players characters. The insult is aimed at the other player. Not the character. You missed the point of many posts once again.

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

"I agree with you guys that insulting can go to far and insulting is also a bad habit but on the other hand you guys have to agree with me that this is just a game and some people also take the game way to far."

While certainly, I agree that insulting just for fun is taking the game way too far. "/signed"? The example you gave some posts ago is extreme case, don't tell me you expect majority of players to be like that.

Thargor_the_Barbarian

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

im not sure whos more pathetic

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by QTFsniper
If an NPC seriously insults you, something is wrong with the NPC. And no you cant sue the poeple that made guild wars. You are the person who paid for the license to use the game. They dont need you around. If you dont like it, then you can just stop playing. You cant legally sue them anyways, it's their game and they can make it however they like. I'm sure they would be reasonable and if they see it the way you do, they will change what the NPC says.

EDIT: nevermind, Take back all of what I said up there. The NPC can insult your character all he wants. The different is that the players arent insulting the other players characters. The insult is aimed at the other player. Not the character. You missed the point of many posts once again.
Thats what i agree with, if you dont like online insulting then just go away.

ImNotYoung

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

E/Me

The difference between a NPC insulting you and a human being with a free insulting you is rather obvious, isn't it?

Seriously Hell Raiser, I think you have a good shot at the presidency of the United States. Keep up the good work.

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rhode Island, USA

[UC] Uber Crew

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
Thats what i agree with, if you dont like online insulting then just go away.
You didnt read all of my post. Read the edit. There you go. Unless you finally agree with us and you just admitted you were wrong? That's a good boy.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by QTFsniper
If an NPC seriously insults you, something is wrong with the NPC. And no you cant sue the poeple that made guild wars. You are the person who paid for the license to use the game. They dont need you around. If you dont like it, then you can just stop playing. You cant legally sue them anyways, it's their game and they can make it however they like. I'm sure they would be reasonable and if they see it the way you do, they will change what the NPC says.

EDIT: nevermind, Take back all of what I said up there. The NPC can insult your character all he wants. The different is that the players arent insulting the other players characters. The insult is aimed at the other player. Not the character. You missed the point of many posts once again.
The npc insults and i insult. We both coexist in a online world. We all cant be how you want us to be. Of course their will be jerks more expeccially in a online world then anything else. Its how its gonna be and its how it will be you just have to accept it.

gamer87

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Dark Forgotten

Mo/R

I love the way you twist everything to suit your arguements hellraiser. i doubt anything an npc says to you can or should be considered an insult. We are talking about doing what you know to be morally right. You may take balthazar be damned to be an insult it doesn't mean ncsoft owes you a huge settlement. you know what is right and what is wrong and if you are telling me that you feel as though people should take things more lightly then i agree with you one hundered percent. if you are however saying that you condone such behaviour and feel that it is right to continue doing so, then i disagree. there is only so much anyone can do and so i believe in this simple rule. As long as you do not commit what you know to be a deliberate cruelty regardless of the bearing you feel it should have then you are doing the right thing. People who get sued for doing something that had a detrimental effect that they themselves did not deliberately inflict are having just as great a crime comitted against them.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

I said i agree with you but also you have to agree with me that online gamming can be taken way to far.

KaPe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

I have yet to see NPC insult a *player*, not player-created character in game. Unless it is intended in funny way, and not "hey, noob". (but even then, these are very rare cases, since they don't really fit in RP sense of RPGs)

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thargor_the_Barbarian
im not sure whos more pathetic
My vote is you for the following reasons:

1.) Your post was pointless and
2.) Your post was patronising

On a lighter note, does anyone think a Role Playing zone and a.. er, Non Role Playing Zone would help this situation at all. They've created a lot of new zones (Language speaking etc) but seeing as Role Players don't count it as real life then they wouldn't have the need for chatter. A simple "Lfg English group" would suffice.

Think something like this would be put into play anytime?
Would surely seperate those who wish to talk as themselves and those who count their chars and everyone elses as completely made up characters.

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Edit: Just a mini question Hellraiser seeing as you're still here. Er, why do you want to insult anyone to begin with? Just wondering...

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

A charr called me a green horn and green horn = noob.

Niare

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Ashes of Humanity [ASH]

W/E

Okay. Just to add in my two cents about the whole matter. Yes. Guild Wars -is- just a game, that people should not take seriously. But every character on here besides the NPCs are controlled by real people. If you insult someone's character, you're insulting the person controlling the character, unless both parties are role playing. Honestly, in order to insult someone, you have to have come up with the insult in real life, correct?

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
being called a noob in a mmo is fun to me. I like being called a noob that way when i work on my skills i can get vengence to that person online. When people say your mom is what ever or you are a retard...ect in guildwars i dont take it personally as they dont know me in real life and probably never will.
Yet earlier you said that when someone is called a noob, then their character is the noob and not the person controlling it, and now you're saying that if you're called a noob, then you, as a person in real life, will try to improve their skills...yeah. Are you just contradicting yourself?

Alderman Sweet

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/E

Or if someone calls you a noob, and it's not a charr, but you're not sure who it is, but you're pretty sure you didn't call yourself a noob, but you're not absolutely sure, what then?

Dash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

OMGOMGOMG HELLRAISER, you made me ACTUALLY LAUGH when I read one of ur earlier posts....HAHA, you said "GUILD WARS is not real life, its a bunch of pixels." Omg dude, like, you should have heard me, I laughed VERY loud, and there is no one else in this room with me...But about all the arguing, man o man guys relax, its a game, if you don't like to be made fun of (for your in-game character or whatever btw, not even YOU PERSONALLY), then

just

don't

play

the

game....

its a freakin game, I hope "pixels" as Hellraiser put it, don't actually affend you, man, they are just colors on the screen, if someone offends you in real life, punch him in the face.

A GAME DOES NOT DEPICT HOW YOU ARE IN REAL LIFE

I STAND BY HELLRAISER, you guys are quite full of your "pride" and "dignity."

just get a job and a family, worry about them, not a freakin video game..

HELLRAISER ROCK ON

oh btw, I'm a nice person in real life, I just get a kick out of how you people try to form who you are in a bunch of networks, micro chips, and ... yes, pixels..

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rhode Island, USA

[UC] Uber Crew

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRaiser
A charr called me a green horn and green horn = noob.
There is a difference with the terms noob and newbie. A green horn would be considered newbie. A neophyte in other words. You should know these things. He didnt call you a green horn by the way. He called your character a green horn. Stop trying to connect dots that arent there.

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash
OMGOMGOMG HELLRAISER, you made me ACTUALLY LAUGH when I read one of ur earlier posts....HAHA, you said "GUILD WARS is not real life, its a bunch of pixels." Omg dude, like, you should have heard me, I laughed VERY loud, and there is no one else in this room with me...But about all the arguing, man o man guys relax, its a game, if you don't like to be made fun of (for your in-game character or whatever btw, not even YOU PERSONALLY), then

just

don't

play

the

game....

its a freakin game, I hope "pixels" as Hellraiser put it, don't actually affend you, man, they are just colors on the screen, if someone offends you in real life, punch him in the face.

A GAME DOES NOT DEPICT HOW YOU ARE IN REAL LIFE

I STAND BY HELLRAISER, you guys are quite full of your "pride" and "dignity."

just get a job and a family, worry about them, not a freakin video game..

HELLRAISER ROCK ON
Too bad you ARE HellRaiser who just logged on with his second username. Man, you're so sharp...I'm gonna cry now, really.

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

I don't know, Eyahl, about the RP Zones and Non-RP Zones. I would suggest that GW really is NOT a true RPG. That said, perhaps if they added areas with a seriously heavy PLOTline rather than QUESTline, maybe it would work.

People who want to RP don't generally do it for the reward at the end of the session. They do it for the fun of playing someone else--whether it's someone much like their true-life personna or someone completely foreign to RL.

So if this were to work, I would think that heavy story-driven areas with smaller rewards might work to attract RPers and leave the quest-driven areas to the...er... other crowd.

Black Raine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl
I think we can ALL see that HR doesn't give ten elephants WHO he hurts and how, basically he sees it as his freedom of speech. His type of person is completely different to the others.
How do you know this Mistress? Don't ever judge another human being. It takes a lifetime to be able to understand another life.

Yes I know it seems like he doesn't care, but that doesn't mean he's not nice. The things he has said just shows that his views are different from yours. You may have seen it as Hellraiser just simply wishing to hurt others, but I simply see it as him not understanding that his comments can hurt people though they are made over a game.

If a person finds a $100 bill on the ground and takes it but does not attempt to return it to its rightful owner, does he do it because he wants to hurt others? Or is it because that person is greedy and does not realize that it will hurt someone else?

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." If someone in earnest, wanted to help the world and tried to but used a method that detrimented the world, is that person still good?

Sorry if it sounds like I'm attacking you Mistress.

I believe that Hellraiser should stop insulting others and such because it does offend them, but I do not believe that makes him a bad person. I would not force him to stop, I would try to get him to stop for the sake of others, but who am I to tell him he is wrong? I do not know the first thing about him so I will not judge him, although from what he has shown on these forums, it is not that he wants to hurt others. From what I have seen, it is simply that he does not truly understand that people are offended, even if in his mind, they should not be.

Hellraiser- The fact is that the things you do, do hurt people. Maybe eventually they will learn to not be offended by comments such as yours, but at the present time, they are offended. I believe everyone should do their best to acommodate for this.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm attacking you Hellraiser.

Dax

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Quite ironic the same person who called me a stalker because she had a problem with my tiger woods anology should comment on other people.... but I digress.

This game is probably the most open ended game to satify a wide variety of people....and yet people choose to exploit, cheat, scam, and complain almost nonstop when they put a stop to something....oooh it's too hard.

I totally enjoy the game, mostly because it afford me the luxury of grouping with henchman.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

If they insult my character and i think they are insulting me then its time for me to log off a bit.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mormegil
Too bad you ARE HellRaiser who just logged on with his second username. Man, you're so sharp...I'm gonna cry now, really.
What are you talking about? thats not me.

Dash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

wait, are you serious? dude, check how long I've been registered in this forum, my name in-game is Dash Jadeon, I'm not Hellraiser, check my birthdate and like where I live in my profile or whatever, I just wanted to share my opinion. Man

ImNotYoung

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash
OMGOMGOMG HELLRAISER, you made me ACTUALLY LAUGH when I read one of ur earlier posts....HAHA, you said "GUILD WARS is not real life, its a bunch of pixels." Omg dude, like, you should have heard me, I laughed VERY loud, and there is no one else in this room with me...But about all the arguing, man o man guys relax, its a game, if you don't like to be made fun of (for your in-game character or whatever btw, not even YOU PERSONALLY), then

just

don't

play

the

game....

its a freakin game, I hope "pixels" as Hellraiser put it, don't actually affend you, man, they are just colors on the screen, if someone offends you in real life, punch him in the face.

A GAME DOES NOT DEPICT HOW YOU ARE IN REAL LIFE

I STAND BY HELLRAISER, you guys are quite full of your "pride" and "dignity."

just get a job and a family, worry about them, not a freakin video game..

HELLRAISER ROCK ON

...I hope you aren't serious. Did you just try to pass off "dignity" as some kind of insult...?

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rhode Island, USA

[UC] Uber Crew

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash
OMGOMGOMG HELLRAISER, you made me ACTUALLY LAUGH when I read one of ur earlier posts....HAHA, you said "GUILD WARS is not real life, its a bunch of pixels." Omg dude, like, you should have heard me, I laughed VERY loud, and there is no one else in this room with me...But about all the arguing, man o man guys relax, its a game, if you don't like to be made fun of (for your in-game character or whatever btw, not even YOU PERSONALLY), then

just

don't

play

the

game....

its a freakin game, I hope "pixels" as Hellraiser put it, don't actually affend you, man, they are just colors on the screen, if someone offends you in real life, punch him in the face.

A GAME DOES NOT DEPICT HOW YOU ARE IN REAL LIFE

I STAND BY HELLRAISER, you guys are quite full of your "pride" and "dignity."

just get a job and a family, worry about them, not a freakin video game..

HELLRAISER ROCK ON

oh btw, I'm a nice person in real life, I just get a kick out of how you people try to form who you are in a bunch of networks, micro chips, and ... yes, pixels..
Why should we stop playing the game because of their faults?
These two quotes I'm about to post clearly shows who is wrong

" While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

"You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language."

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

If you people did not understand dash is insulting me, he is being "sarcastic"

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Raine
How do you know this Mistress? Don't ever judge another human being. It takes a lifetime to be able to understand another life.

Yes I know it seems like he doesn't care, but that doesn't mean he's not nice. The things he has said just shows that his views are different from yours. You may have seen it as Hellraiser just simply wishing to hurt others, but I simply see it as him not understanding that his comments can hurt people though they are made over a game.

If a person finds a $100 bill on the ground and takes it but does not attempt to return it to its rightful owner, does he do it because he wants to hurt others? Or is it because that person is greedy and does not realize that it will hurt someone else?

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." If someone in earnest, wanted to help the world and tried to but used a method that detrimented the world, is that person still good?

Sorry if it sounds like I'm attacking you Mistress.
Oh no worries, just pointing out that there's more than one sort of person who insults. Some people I've met blame the actual person for being insulted, and some apologise for hurting them.

Sorry to assume but the way HR talks he doesn't seem like the kind to apologise. I'm mainly referring to his "Just quit the game if you don't like what I say" attitude.

Dash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

yes yes yes, very good you quoted the guild wars bible, ok dude, I understand you should be nice to everyone and give them flowers and free gold and stuff, but..Its an online game where you go to have fun. People like to do stupid stuff, you can't be serious all your life, that's kindu lame.

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

/leaves the kindergarten

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rhode Island, USA

[UC] Uber Crew

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Raine
How do you know this Mistress? Don't ever judge another human being. It takes a lifetime to be able to understand another life.

Yes I know it seems like he doesn't care, but that doesn't mean he's not nice. The things he has said just shows that his views are different from yours. You may have seen it as Hellraiser just simply wishing to hurt others, but I simply see it as him not understanding that his comments can hurt people though they are made over a game.

If a person finds a $100 bill on the ground and takes it but does not attempt to return it to its rightful owner, does he do it because he wants to hurt others? Or is it because that person is greedy and does not realize that it will hurt someone else?

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." If someone in earnest, wanted to help the world and tried to but used a method that detrimented the world, is that person still good?

Sorry if it sounds like I'm attacking you Mistress.

I believe that Hellraiser should stop insulting others and such because it does offend them, but I do not believe that makes him a bad person. I would not force him to stop, I would try to get him to stop for the sake of others, but who am I to tell him he is wrong? I do not know the first thing about him so I will not judge him, although from what he has shown on these forums, it is not that he wants to hurt others. From what I have seen, it is simply that he does not truly understand that people are offended, even if in his mind, they should not be.

Hellraiser- The fact is that the things you do, do hurt people. Maybe eventually they will learn to not be offended by comments such as yours, but at the present time, they are offended. I believe everyone should do their best to acommodate for this.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm attacking you Hellraiser.

I'm not really against this post but I just wanted to state that a person who takes a 100$ bill and doesnt think the other person cares at all is an idiot.

Dash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

kindu pisses me off that girls come in here and try to set us guys straight. Guys are mean and rude, and usually other guys don't care because we are guys and we don't hold grudges, but girls commin in here and trying to set us guys their way! whaaaaa, go play with barbies

ImNotYoung

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mormegil
/leaves the kindergarten

Dash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

actually, what I just said is kindu mean and stuff, sry I said it, but seriously..

gamer87

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Dark Forgotten

Mo/R

Wow this guy claims to be a nice person in real life but it your actions throughout that show who you really are. you cannot say that who i am in the game is not synonymous with who i am in real life. it is simply a hiden part of you that may or may not escapoe in real life you cannot deny its esistence. communicating over guild wars is just like communicating over the telephone. No one likes it when you are rude to them using any mode of communication. You are right there is no more need to argue it is clear who is right the stronger arguements will prevail and hopefully i will talk sense into people who were perhaps thinking of becoming like hellraiser or dash. who you are is who you are you can always change it but you can't hide from it.

QTFsniper

QTFsniper

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rhode Island, USA

[UC] Uber Crew

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash
yes yes yes, very good you quoted the guild wars bible, ok dude, I understand you should be nice to everyone and give them flowers and free gold and stuff, but..Its an online game where you go to have fun. People like to do stupid stuff, you can't be serious all your life, that's kindu lame.
The bible is a book of morals.
The quotes I posted are rules.
Rules are not meant to be broken.
Understand the difference.
Breaking rules has consquences.

Mistress Eyahl

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

Burnt Absolution

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash
yes yes yes, very good you quoted the guild wars bible, ok dude, I understand you should be nice to everyone and give them flowers and free gold and stuff, but..Its an online game where you go to have fun. People like to do stupid stuff, you can't be serious all your life, that's kindu lame.
No offence mate, but if your fun includes ruining other people's then you should be the ones to stay away from the game. You don't NEED to insult people to enhance your gameplay, but BEING insulted ruins other's.

Isn't it easier to just not bother to type it all out?

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Edit: You say you're not Hellraiser but you seem to be taking on the "Post a lot of short pointless messages" that he seems to do. Add them all the one post so the thread is not full of your spam, thanks.
Btw.. I'm not a girl, I'm a woman.

HellRaiser

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

Zodiac braves

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl
Oh no worries, just pointing out that there's more than one sort of person who insults. Some people I've met blame the actual person for being insulted, and some apologise for hurting them.

Sorry to assume but the way HR talks he doesn't seem like the kind to apologise. I'm mainly referring to his "Just quit the game if you don't like what I say" attitude.
Yes i do have the quit the game if you dont like what i say attitude. I will apologize if iam wrong, but if some one is going to cry at their desktop because i made fun of them in a online game, i will just call them a nerd and go on with my life.

Black Raine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by QTFsniper
I'm not really against this post but I just wanted to state that a person who takes a 100$ bill and doesnt think the other person cares at all is an idiot.
It is not that he thinks the other person does not care. It is just that that thought does not cross his mind, and if it does, his own well being outweighs another human being's. It is not a statement about him wanting to hurt people. It is a statement about him being greedy.