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Superdan

Ascalonian Squire

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Des Moines, Ia

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:02 - 201

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

I have a question if they ever implemented a theif class in pvp and you were aloud to steal players items. (not saying they will implement this class) Like in ultima online you can steal players items. Would that be different then scamming then?

Never played it and after the first thing was stolen from me I would've quit. I don't abide theft even in a game. Going out of your way to take something of mine without my being compensated is theft and technically scamming is theft and a skill but it's a skill that rates right up there with wife beating in being a desirable trait.

Actually, I just re-read my post and realized I didn't really answer the question. If they implemented it in PvP it wouldn't be scamming but just try to get close enough, for long enough, to steal something

We aren't talking about PvP though are we?

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:03 - 202

People become jerks on the internet is because you let them, honestly they know they can make you cry at your desktop because you let them. If some one calls me a noob or insults my mom online iam not going to say STOP IT your insulting me it hurts!!! Because iam super sensitive!! Just ignore them or go on with your own business or insult them back.
Just like in real life there are people who stomp on people and people who let people stomp all over them.

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:03 - 203

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Originally Posted by Pitdragon

I agree with you in that I believe that people should act civilly towards each other, online or no, but I have to ask... What was the purpose in you posting this? People will be jerks on the internet and in real life, pointing out that they are jerks isn't going to make them amend their ways. In my opinion, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them. A lot of the people that act like jerks on the internet do it because they enjoy getting a rise out of people who are offended by their actions or words, telling them that they are rude or responding with insults will just let them know that you're a good person to pick on and that they have a lot more fun with you if they can continue pushing your buttons.

Purpose in me posting what? What you've quoted or the origional message?
If you mean the origional message then it's because I believe there is a small % of people out there who might think twice before accusing someone of taking an online game too seriously.

Lol, between this and some other threads I've seen people post, I think I could have done worse. Shame it turned into a flaming match, soon as the mods log in this thread is gonna be closed down but hey ho. I think the responce has sort of idicated how strongly people actually FEEL about this issue so if anything, it's at least made the bonds between those who feel the same that much stronger.

Isn't that what a Forum's about? People conversing over a common interest?

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:05 - 204

Then like i said if scamming is so wrong why allow your selves to be scammed? I have yet to be scammed in a mmorpg and i have played them since pre beta UO. It takes intelligence and street smarts to out smart a scammer. Like i said if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

Come on i offered the guy 200k for a trip to kryta and he didnt even asked to check if i had the 200k....common sence people.

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

01 Jul 2005 at 03:05 - 205

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Thats two different things, if a woman made fun of my ability to preform in bed in real life to which some one says that to me in a online game that i never met before, which one will i take offence to?

Man, you just "preform" in bed? And you don't do anything else?

That's why you're so mean!

PM me, I'll explain you a few things in a simple and discrete way.

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

Join Date: May 2005

The Uk

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:05 - 206

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Thats two different things, if a woman made fun of my ability to preform in bed in real life to which some one says that to me in a online game that i never met before, which one will i take offence to?

Fair enough, if your best mate came round your house, stood behind you and said you were crap at GW's.. what then.

My example to was to try and make you see that you are insulting people's ability to play a computer game. That's an insult. Duh.

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

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Louisiana

E/Mo

01 Jul 2005 at 03:07 - 207

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Originally Posted by Mormegil

(I can't stop posting here! My fingers are moving and typing, I just can't stop them!)

The sentence you just posted is one of the most hilarious things I read lately. I can't even focus on the content, I'm still laughing at the grammar. You're a rare find...a brute, a pre-historical man with no insight, let alone respect for others. I thought they didn't exist anymore.

Your attempts at being smart make you look like an elephant who's trying not to be invasive in the women's bathroom.

/signed

Dusk_

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:07 - 208

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

People become jerks on the internet is because you let them, honestly they know they can make you cry at your desktop because you let them. If some one calls me a noob or insults my mom online iam not going to say STOP IT your insulting me it hurts!!! Because iam super sensitive!! Just ignore them or go on with your own business or insult them back.
Just like in real life there are people who stomp on people and people who let people stomp all over them.

Please give me your phone number (with area code) so I can find out where you live, anonymously call you up, call you a Mother ******, make various death threats and then sift through your mail so I can steal your identity.

Any problem with that?

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:08 - 209

Oh if my friend insulted my guildwars skills i would have to challenge him to fisty cuffs.

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Louisiana

E/Mo

01 Jul 2005 at 03:08 - 210

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusk_

Please give me your phone number (with area code) so I can find out where you live, anonymously call you up, call you a Mother ******, make various death threats and then sift through your mail so I can steal your identity.

Any problem with that?

Now thats funny ! WE could make a Tv show, with a theme song and all.

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

E/Me

01 Jul 2005 at 03:08 - 211

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusk_

Please give me your phone number (with area code) so I can find out where you live, anonymously call you up, call you a Mother ******, make various death threats and then sift through your mail so I can steal your identity.

Any problem with that?

Another one taking online gamming too far. If you think this is the same thing as online gamming, then you have probs.

Evan The Cursed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

01 Jul 2005 at 03:09 - 212

Please, don't feed the trolls.

Rattle the cages, sure, just don't feed them.

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:10 - 213

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan The Cursed

Please, don't feed the trolls.

Rattle the cages, sure, just don't feed them.

Not to get off topic but in world of warcraft there was this quest called rattling the rattlecages. Then i would tell people to insult them that they better not rattle my rattlecage or id spank dat butt.

Then i quit WoW. True story.

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:11 - 214

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Then like i said if scamming is so wrong why allow your selves to be scammed? I have yet to be scammed in a mmorpg and i have played them since pre beta UO. It takes intelligence and street smarts to out smart a scammer. Like i said if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

Come on i offered the guy 200k for a trip to kryta and he didnt even asked to check if i had the 200k....common sence people.

That just means you are a man of low or little morals. It takes a certain type of person to scam, and a certain type of person not to scam. You're either one or the other, and one of em aint very nice.

A person is defined by one's actions. I wonder what people think of you?
You say insulting people is a way of life in online gaming and if you can't handle it there, then you can't handle it in real life. I say people skills will be MORE important to you in life than the ability to have thick skin.

Maybe you should redirect the priorities of your personality?

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:13 - 215

Difference is between real life and online life eyahl i dont think the cops will bust down my door and the judge will sentance me 20 to life for stealing some ones black dye in guild wars. I would get banned from the nerd community.

Mistress Eyahl

Sir

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:13 - 216

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Oh if my friend insulted my guildwars skills i would have to challenge him to fisty cuffs.

So.. you'd take it as an insult?

Um.. how do you spell it again? C...on...tra..di..ctio...n?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Difference is between real life and online life eyahl i dont think the cops will bust down my door and the judge will sentance me 20 to life for stealing some ones black dye in guild wars. I would get banned from the nerd community.

Well.. you seem to be doing a pretty poor impression of people skills right now, mate. Or is this all make believe too?
Don't tell me... you're a 36 year old divorced mother of three, and you enjoy flower pressing in your spare time?

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:14 - 217

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

So.. you'd take it as an insult?

Um.. how do you spell it again? C...on...tra..di..ctio...n?

I was being sarcastic...

Dusk_

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:15 - 218

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Another one taking online gamming too far. If you think this is the same thing as online gamming, then you have probs.

Okay, maybe the Identity Theft was going too far.

But tell me this. What's the difference between someone you don't know a Mother ****** over the internet and over the phone? What about making a death threat?

ImNotYoung

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

E/Me

01 Jul 2005 at 03:15 - 219

Okay, well i'm done with this thread. It's not like I really added anything to it anyways.

I would just like to say i'm glad Hell Raiser spoke up because now I know to avoid him in game, along with the low life guild that recruited him.

Pitdragon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

01 Jul 2005 at 03:16 - 220

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

Purpose in me posting what? What you've quoted or the origional message?
If you mean the origional message then it's because I believe there is a small % of people out there who might think twice before accusing someone of taking an online game too seriously.

Lol, between this and some other threads I've seen people post, I think I could have done worse. Shame it turned into a flaming match, soon as the mods log in this thread is gonna be closed down but hey ho. I think the responce has sort of idicated how strongly people actually FEEL about this issue so if anything, it's at least made the bonds between those who feel the same that much stronger.

Isn't that what a Forum's about? People conversing over a common interest?

I was just curious as to whether you wanted to discuss the issue with likeminded people or if you were actually trying to convince people to not act like jerks. From your first post, it sounded like you were trying to accomplish the latter, which is quite unlikely. As I stated earlier, a lot of the people acting like jerks are acting like jerks because they like to get other people agitated. Telling them that they are agitating people is telling them something they already know, and if anything it's just going to further reinforce their behavior since they love people who take them seriously and react to them.

Mormegil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

01 Jul 2005 at 03:16 - 221

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Not to get off topic but in world of warcraft there was this quest called rattling the rattlecages. Then i would tell people to insult them that they better not rattle my rattlecage or id spank dat butt.

Then i quit WoW. True story.

I should PM a mod and ask him to make an exception to the rules this time. I don't want him banned.
What do you guys think of a hairy, cute little Troll in a cage? We just rattle the bars from time to time, we feed him once or twice a week, people have fun, he trolls around, everybody's happy.

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:17 - 222

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusk_

Okay, maybe the Identity Theft was going too far.

But tell me this. What's the difference between someone you don't know a Mother ****** over the internet and over the phone? What about making a death threat?

Death threat over the phone other then the internet is more scary cause they have your phone number and they must know you in real life. Unlike the internet were you just always meet people at random and no one takes people in the interweb serious any way.

Evan The Cursed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

01 Jul 2005 at 03:18 - 223

Nobody ever listens to me ;_;

Hellraiser is growing fat and plump with his spoils.

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:18 - 224

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mormegil

I should PM a mod and ask him to make an exception to the rules this time. I don't want him banned.
What do you guys think of a hairy, cute little Troll in a cage? We just rattle the bars from time to time, we feed him once or twice a week, people have fun, he trolls around, everybody's happy.

If i was a mod i would just think you were another forum nerd who is not getting his way in a argument so you call the other people a troll just to get them banned so you can get your goodies off to it.

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Louisiana

E/Mo

01 Jul 2005 at 03:19 - 225

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Difference is between real life and online life eyahl i dont think the cops will bust down my door and the judge will sentance me 20 to life for stealing some ones black dye in guild wars. I would get banned from the nerd community.

oooo low blow "nerd community". Id seriously hate to break your bubble, but online gamers are not nerds. In fact far from what you would typically call a nerd like an IT Professional or something in most cases. Just take a look at the tech support forum. And IF you'd like to call me a nerd, I'd have to say thank you, becuase someone like me ell' be fixing your computer tommorrow after an angry mob sends trojans to your email address. Oh yea and you would ow them money, no scam there

omw, some more random spam.

/me tried to figure out why he is in this thread, take out popcorn and clicks submit.

Dusk_

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:19 - 226

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Death threat over the phone other then the internet is more scary cause they have your phone number and they must know you in real life. Unlike the internet were you just always meet people at random and no one takes people in the interweb serious any way.

Oh, yes, because we all know that you have to know who you're calling before you punch numbers into a phone

. Ever heard of prank calls?

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:20 - 227

online gammers are not nerds thus this is true, ones who take it farrrr to seriously are.

Black Raine

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

01 Jul 2005 at 03:20 - 228

You guys need to stop the arguing all together. You cannot say Hellraiser is an idiot. You cannot say he is inconsiderate. You cannot say any of this because you do not know him. You do not know the real him.

By insulting him, you are guilty of which you accuse. You say he insulted other people and intentionally hurt them 'cause he is mean. You say he has no heart for others. Now what are you doing to him? You are insulting him though you do not know him. You say he is completely wrong, and you do not even listen to him. Is this not what you accuse him of?

Just stop arguing. Nothing constructive is coming from this. If you want to have a constructive conversation, stop accusing eachother. Start by listing the facts, then list your opinions and views, then try to understand the others' opinions and views, then come to a mutual agreement.

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:21 - 229

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusk_

Oh, yes, because we all know that you have to know who you're calling before you punch numbers into a phone

. Ever heard of prank calls?

Even if your numbers unlisted from the phone book? If some one gives me a death threat over the phone it would be taken more seriously then one over the internet.

Internet is a wierd place like that.

QTFsniper

Academy Page

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:21 - 230

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mormegil

I should PM a mod and ask him to make an exception to the rules this time. I don't want him banned.
What do you guys think of a hairy, cute little Troll in a cage? We just rattle the bars from time to time, we feed him once or twice a week, people have fun, he trolls around, everybody's happy.

lol if only..... *mind wanders to think of a hellraiser monkey* We could throw banana chips at him too and hit him with stones.

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Louisiana

E/Mo

01 Jul 2005 at 03:21 - 231

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mormegil

I should PM a mod and ask him to make an exception to the rules this time. I don't want him banned.
What do you guys think of a hairy, cute little Troll in a cage? We just rattle the bars from time to time, we feed him once or twice a week, people have fun, he trolls around, everybody's happy.

/me hands the troll a cany bar

aeroclown

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E/Mo

01 Jul 2005 at 03:23 - 232

Oh come one people its just s***s and giggles. I think we are past the point of the thread.

HellRaiser

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Zodiac braves

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:23 - 233

Your a forum troll i call you this because my intelligent argument and opionion like wise to the topic is null and void.

Dusk_

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:24 - 234

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Even if your numbers unlisted from the phone book? If some one gives me a death threat over the phone it would be taken more seriously then one over the internet.

Internet is a wierd place like that.

And I suppose child-molestors who hunt around in Internet chat rooms should be taken less seriously than those outside of them too?

Mormegil

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:24 - 235

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

online gammers are not nerds thus this is true, ones who take it farrrr to seriously are.

Why are you talking like Yoda?

Btw, call me "online gammer" again and I'll be offended.

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:24 - 236

Hahaha...why is Eyahl's lable..."Sir"...? Sorry, I just found that...odd. Is that a post-count title?

Anyway, yes I'd agree with you Eyahl. Insulting someone over the internet in a game is just like calling them on the phone, or ringing their doorbell and doing the same thing. Except with less of a chance they'll find you and hammer you into the ground.

People like this HellRaiser guy who go and waste 8 hours of peoples lives, and steal things from them have no right to justify themselves by saying "It's just a game", yeah but just wasted 8 hours of the guy's life. And you wouldn't have done it if it didn't benefit YOU. So if you can BENEFIT from a game, obviously you can be affected by the game in a NEGATIVE way just the same.

If it's just a game, why did you bother stealing his black dye, and why did you take advantage of his efforts if it's only a game and it doesn't mean anything? You did it because it DOES affect you, it helped you out in the game. While it wasted his time. Saying "it's just a game" doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

Even if he just did it for "fun" and not for anything else. You took away 8 hours of "fun" from the other guy, which affects his day just the same as it would if his car ran out of gas and he was 8 hours away from home or something.

In fact Hellraiser you wouldn't even be arguing this point if it didn't matter. Unless you're just a lifeless preteen with nothing better to do. We're all here on a regular basis, we all play the game, we all use the time in our lives to do such things. And when you ruin their good time, whether it by by insulting them, scamming them, or punching them in the face, you still did it.

Cheers.

Chyra Deathblade

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

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N/Mo

01 Jul 2005 at 03:25 - 237

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Oh if my friend insulted my guildwars skills i would have to challenge him to fisty cuffs.

And you were the one saying "Another one taking online gamming too far".

First off, By continuesly posting arguments, you are encouraging Hellraiser to post. If you want to prove your point, leave it alone. There are always going to be people who will continuesly try to insult others, and try to gain some sort of pride from that.

One, or even five people can't change an online community consisting of over 100,000 people. Trust me... I was one who hated all the dupes on Battle.net, and i played completly legit, i tried to get people to stop using dupes, and hacks, theres no point trying. And, before you ask me, what does this have to do with insults, it doesnt, but its the same general idea.

But, i completly agree with everything being said. If you are insulting someone in the game, you might as well come right up to their face and say it. You make the choices, not the computer, not Arena.Net. Personnaly, i've learnt to tune out the insultes, but, i know it must feel degrading when you have people calling you Noob, because you made a mistake, or failed to live up to the expected standards of everyone else.

Another point i would like to bring up is the scamming. I despise scammers. Coming from the Battle.net d2 Trade forums, i've seen lots of it. HellRaiser, there are many reasons not to trust people in game, personnaly, i dont trust anyone, but thats not a reason to have to prove it to them, by scamming them. The people who take the game seriously, are the people who think they need to scam, to be better then everyone. You shouldnt care wether or not your better, taken from your own words, its just a game.

Sorry... i had to jump in. But, seriously, just drop this.

MM

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:25 - 238

Nah im not a troll, I used to be an online game admin, Its always fun to see how agitated you can make the agitater before you ban them. I love guys like you HellRaiser, Gives me something to do at night when I'm bored, waiting around for support request. :lol:

QTFsniper

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:26 - 239

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusk_

And I suppose child-molestors who hunt around in Internet chat rooms should be taken less seriously than those outside of them too?

yes. yes they should. It's a game!!!! lets all dance and feed child molestors children. Happy hellraiser?
Oh anyone hear about the man that raped a 3 month old child?

/goes back on topic

PhineasToke

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01 Jul 2005 at 03:26 - 240

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRaiser

Even smack talk such as ima blank your mom and other immature comments are just in game stuff. We are so uptight in real life that finnally a video game lets our immature side come out when we want to.

Immature comments in a game where people are asked to treat each other like adults always results in one action by me.

I send a screeshot of your sorry ass to arena net with a complaint. Count on it. And when you've disappeared from my "freinds" list, I don't wonder why.