Why isn't there a Priest of Balthazar in the PvP areas?

no offense u guys this is a pretty dumb arguement all opinions let agree to disagree the one person i have seen give reasonable answers is rts firebat he has said it all right there listen to him he seems to know wat he is talkin about ok?? well this thread is crap and that settles it

No. rts firebat doesn't know what he was talkin about. Many of the mmorpgs have come with solution to overcome such calamities. If you would have to have played other mmorpg to under.

Spike: You fight in the beginning, Fissure and UW that's it. PvPers have to go through the game to get every move they don't get with their premade characters.

And since GW beat out WoW in sales at one point, it safe to say that we have over half a million to a million players playing in this game. Half of them play PvP or PvE. You're telling me, you observed over 500,000 players in PvE. That's total BS. Just because you were on a couple of district doesn't make any of your information true. And like I said, 25% of the people who do PvE go to pvp anyway (Promising and optimistic players remember.) so you are are looking at 750,000 pvper players to 250,000 pve player. But the numbers don't matter since you did observe that many people. And how do you know you did run into the same person? People do change districts and you could met the same person. Last, but least, not everybody is standing around in PvE areas all day. They are instances do quest or missions.

All the reason more that your information is total BS. It isn't even opinion. It's just you being a big ass baby about the arguement.

The only person spouting total BS around here is YOU captain guru. Did you pick those numbers out of thin air. Do you have ANY FACTS AT ALL. Or do you just spout BS (as most pvpers do) Also if anyone around here does'nt know what he is talking about that would be YOU.

I have played other mmorpgs and seen them ruined by pvpers like you self EG star wars galaxies which got ruined by the CU, which pvpers keeping going on about and saying how pvp was now balanced dispite the fact it runined the game for the other 90% of people who did'nt pvp.

Lol I think you have a few to many zeros in your numbers. Try 750 people pvping rather than 750k. As usual you got your numbers mixed up AT LEAST 75% of people PVE and NOTHING ELSE. It probley closer to 80 or even 85%.

Anyone KNOW how many people play GW or how many people can be in a district before its full. FACTS only please no more pvp BS.

I'm former WoW players, and around before I left WoW in March, I saw how the article about the number of players that joined over the course of time and it was over 1 million. GW when it came for it's first and a half month, I saw the sells charts, and GW out sold WoW (WoW 500,000 copies in it's first month, which you can read up on the WoW website by the way) so GW close to million and if not million players already.

So you can stop with the petty first to regain your ego.

You did pick the percentages of people doing PvE and PvP out of thin air though. I don't believe that only 25% of the players do PvE.

Thanks for the kind words... on the note the name is RTSFirebat... one word

I find that people are finding it hard to believe that is game is both PvE and PvP.

As it stands once you complete the current story (Chapter 1) you are given little option but to do PvP, which isn't bad.

However somewhere along the line someone has stated that PvP is the primary part of the game, which is not true at all, this isn't given stated by A.net themselves, nor is it promoted in any of their ads I've seen in computer magazines... in fact I have one with me now, which has the text:

"Provde your worth in a world where skill, not hours played, decides victory"

"No monhtly fees"

"Travel instantly to the beginning of any quest you've unlocked"

No talk of PvE or PvP being primary there... people need to face facts... this game is trying to give the best of both world, and people are trying to get more of their share of the pie!

If we all learn to enjoy both PvE and PvP it be better. personally I like PvE more since it gives me access to a massive world filled with things to see, people to meet and stuff to do.

Then again I like PvP because its fun and interesting to find different people, and lets face it... we all like win a battle.

People who purely PvE or PvP are simply reducing their scope and understand of different parts of a game... this is a CO-OP RPG... it provides for both parties plain and simple... so lets stop the hate!

After thinking about it a bit A.net most likely wants everyone to play the story mode at least once, which seems fair to me. But maybe adding a single priest of balthzar in the LOIN'S ARCH arena starting area would be fair.

Since that's where all pure PvP characters tend to go, that and the Tombs.

Quote, "50% of the people are pvpers and the other 50% are pve. Out of the 50% of those who pve, half of them are the opimistic player (who will pve until he/she reaches end game) or the promising player. (who is just pve to get skills or items for a class)

So only 25% of the players in pve are really serious about. (Their reason for pveing doesn't even matter.)"

This means it's half and half, but on the PVE side, 50% of the pvers are going to pvp anyway once they get all the moves/ruins/equipment or they play through the game. Either way, the extra 25% comes from PvE players who come adventuring into PvP arenas.

You still made all that up on the spot. I don't believe 50% of the PvE players only play to get skills/items.

Again your just guessing, which is fine. But unless A.net gives us figures... which I sure they won't... since they already stated they wouldn't... it remains as a guess.

so guessing the percentages remains just that... a guess. so your arugment is somewhat groundless.

I know plenty of PvE player who want nothing to do with PvP... just doesn't interest them.

Just as they are people who can't believe it isn't.

Those quotes prove nothing.

1) Players who've played past MMOs before anyone else had a lot of skill making it impossible to catch up with them in PvP. This is the situation that happened in both NWN and WoW.

2) A lot people in my last forum said during beta forum that if this game made you pay, they wouldn't have bought. This wasn't the talk of the town on it's first day ya know.

3) Because everyone got tired of taking hours to run across the world.

Also what you didn't post is the fact that they said equipment didn't matter when pvping and they were going to have international tournments.

No, they make decisions to please players on both sides. They tried draw more players in, but player aren't allowing themsevles to get draw into it.

Anyway.

Well I've tried to reason with you, ut clearly you have a one track mind. So I leave this tread to it.

Not my fault you can't see whats on the other side of the wall.

Seem three people are math illiterate because it called statistics. Statistics is configure numbers based on presented information. I got the number of players based on the sell charts and the number of game copies of WoW sold during it's 3 month period.

50% play either pvp or pve. Now configuration is neither wrong or right because I contest there are more players in PvP than PvE, just as Spike can contest they are more players in PvE so it's safe to say it's 50/50. Though, out of the 50% of pvers, 50% of the player are serious about pve and the other 50% players are a pve/pvp blend. With half the PvE players engaging in PvP, that would make the majority of pvpers a 75 percentage.

By the way, I know I'm not the only person who plays PvE to get items, skills or equipment for pvp.

Furthermore, having gone through the game all the way to Kryta, I notice less and less pve players in each area I come to as I get to Kryta. If I judge the game the way Spike does, proof of what I say would be the number of players you meet in a high level areas, which is rather low compare to low level areas between Post-searing and Frost Gate.

I forgot to add that you also have to base the game statistic on the game's high-end content, which is pvp.

All I can say is Pot...Kettle. Your opinion means just as much as mine. Don't get mad because your opinion deaf. If you want your opinion to stand out make sure it's has on experience, knowledge and most of all facts.

You people have problems. All I wanted was to suggest a simple change to allow the spending of faction points in PvP areas. You guys turned it into a flame war. Thanks.

Sigh . . the whole point of stats is that they can be backed up . . .stating over and over the same thing with NO links to back it up is sad. And no when your going with numbers . . it is most certainly NOT "safe" to say. is it safe to say 2+2=158 ? no not really, not even close. And even then, not all stats are relible such as " did you know 100% of people who had cancer last year lived on planet earth" . . . . irrelavent , but you *could* still argue that earth is cancer causing . . . . . not trying to piss you off, but THIS is why nobody is taking you seriosly.

You're not little boy nor am I your butler so you can either...

1) You go to World of Warcraft official website.

2) Go to Gamefaqs.com and ask around.

3) Look up the sales charts on google.

Other that you can shut up.

Quote, "50% play either pvp or pve. Now configuration is neither wrong or right because I contest there are more players in PvP than PvE, just as Spike can contest they are more players in PvE so it's safe to say it's 50/50."

Those may help with the overal amount of people, but not with the percentages you list.

Gee, there is lot of people who can't read detail.

It's funny how your made up statistic model goes from "either people who mainly PvE or people who mainly PvP are the majority" (which is just stating the obvious, not granting any solid basis for any assumptions) to "therefore 75% of everyone playing the game plays PvP at least a little" (which you seem to think you've proven, but you haven't).

No offense, but you're doing statistics like those high school kids which think the chance of winning the lottery is 50% because you either win or you don't - and to top it off you're being rude to people who have tried to point this out.

okay . . .like i said i wasnt tying to piss you off, but whatever. . . . First . . now pay attention, numbers are ABSOLUTE 5 does not = 9 it will NEVER equal 9 . . . .therfore "safe to say" is meaningless. dont "contest" anything unless your prepared to BACK IT UP
"50% play either pvp or pve"
WHERE are you getting this from ? total sales will tell you just that, THE SALES . . .to guess at anything more . . . is just GUESSING

And why should i or anybody else try to backup your BS ?? IM not the one trying to browbeat a forum into seeing the game from my point of view . .YOU are . .
come on now, being pissy with me and others, for calling you on your crap is silly . unless you have anything of SUBSTANCE to add . . quit arguing and attempt to grow up

English, please.

Why are you using absolute number when statistics is based on ratios, probability, rounding and percentages? Do you even know what you are arguing about anymore? I knew what I was arguing about in beginning. You see to have diverge from your own point, if there ever was one.

WHERE are you getting this from ? total sales will tell you just that, THE SALES . . .to guess at anything more . . . is just GUESSING

Again, I don't need to look the information up for you. When someone makes an agitation, I looked the information up myself. You're not a kid and I'm not your bulter so you need to information, look it up for yourself. I named the source find it your damn self. Unless you got proof that the information is false other than your opinion, you can't say someone else's information is false. Other than that you're suffering from a big case of the ostrich syndrome.

PvEers are stuipd, thats all there is to this argument. I'm on my 3rd run through the game (yea gettin skills 400+ hours so far). During every mission I have a strong urge to punch my monitor and use the broken glass to stab my eye. Kids are just dumb.

Before the next post comes out, I want to read something to you from girlfriend's college sociology-pyschology book. The word I want to read to you is cognitive dissonance and it applies to the people whom arguing with who keep asking that same question.

Cognitivie dissonance is when an unpleasant internal state that results when individuals notice inconsistency between two or more of their attitudes, or between their attitudes and their behavior.

In English, you guys will find faults, nay-say or gives doubts towards another person who opposing your ideas or opinions because what that person says maybe right or may have substance. Even though, I've given source to ask around or look up, you refuse to look only fuel your ignorances and faults on the argue so there is no point in arguing further.

and i could say PVPers are arrogant selfish impatient rude little jerks pretending to be domenent alpha male/female

instead i will honestly wish your monitor well and you a pleasent day because i recognize that there are jerks in all walks of life and you may just have had the bad luck to run into more than your share.

from a PVERT

Askalon Pverts (AP)

Okay, I apologize for not writing in a way that's simple enough for you to understand me, if that's what you mean by "English, please". Here goes another try.

So far, your argument is something akin to saying "There might be more cats than dogs on the Earth or vice-versa. Since I don't know the true ratio, it's safe to assume it's 50/50!"

(Next time you should consider using punctuation, by the way - as long as you're going to lecture people on writing in English... that wasn't a great example you set there.)

Now on to the second part of your argument:
So, now you're saying something like "I just assumed that 50% of all pets on the Earth are dogs, but now I will assume that 50% of those dogs are also cats to a lesser extent. So, cats are actually 75% of the earth's population!"

Not only is your logic flawed, you also have no basis to make any of the assumptions you made. Statistics is a science, not an assclown making up random numbers and probabilities on the internet. Is my english clear enough for you now?

[QUOTE=Eder]

Now on to the second part of your argument:

So, now you're saying something like "I just assumed that 50% of all pets on the Earth are dogs, but now I will assume that 50% of those dogs are also cats to a lesser extent. So, cats are actually 75% of the earth's population!"

QUOTE]

not only that

by the same logic you have to assume that 25 % of the *cats* have *dog* traits as well

that gives 25% real *dogs* and 25% real Cats* with 50% who dont know what they are

I LOVE IT

I stop reading after this because you prove my point.

Nobody understands what your point is, though, because you haven't made any sense whenever you've tried to "prove" anything up to this point.

As a professor of Business and well schooled in Stats, I find it hard to believe that you would continue to fall back on your ideas without showing your work. I have a complete understanding of the information that you provide both on the sites listed and through this thread. The problem that most of these ppl are having is that you are not backing it up right here for them. You want to bring the light to their eyes and minds but you are unwilling to provide them with the ability to see and understand. You give them quotes without providing the person that made the statement in first place.

With that over I will say this I play both PvE and PvP and enjoy both playing environments. I like opening up new areas in PvE and running long winnings in PvP and neither better than the other as far as I am concerned.

Now to speak for a moment on your statistical issues, provide the numbers and I can work them so that it shifts to either side. Percentages are only as good as the person who creates them. 4 out 8 is 50% either way you look at. I personally can make those numbers say that 75% play PvE and 25% play PvP just as you have said exactly the opposite. So you would hard pressed to prove your point in a statistical manner.

The idea is that the game is fun for all who play it and if you dont like it dont play it (although i doubt that will happen).

Nice to meet you, I'm former nursing assistant who is going for his degree in sociology for social working. One of the classes I happen to be taking is statistics.

I've already told them they can find the information in either WoW official website, ask in Gamefaqs.com Guild Wars forum (the chart was provided by a fellow player) and google.

If someone makes an agitation, I look up the information for myself if one can't be proivded. Or at least what we do on gamefaqs.com

With that over I will say this I play both PvE and PvP and enjoy both playing environments. I like opening up new areas in PvE and running long winnings in PvP and neither better than the other as far as I am concerned.

Nope, as I mention, I also based percentage information on the circumstance that game high end point is pvp, the object of the game is to collect skills, equipment and runes, the game is more skill based than equipment based allowing players to master a class without spending hours to figure out how the various way moves can be used and. (Thunderstorm, brb)

Understandable, (the stats class as part of your degree), I have taken 4 stats class myself and teach a course similar to the one you were required to take I am sure. But this does not preclude my ability to make the numbers say what ever I want them to say. Your sale grids come from a competing game World of Warcraft, which leads one to believe that this information might not be altogether true were it applies to Guild Wars. As they would hope to down play the event in there favor. The reason for lose of players is very simple, they charge a monthly fee and Guild Wars does not. I have played both and I perfer Guild Wars.

Although numbers and Statistical information from those number can often be a good way to attempt to prove a point, it is not always the truth of the matter. Because of the time differences and difference in players on Tuesday compared to Saturday you nor anyone, outside of Arena Net, could provide the information that you are basing your claims upon. And even if you were provided with that information it would have to be provided in a statistical format of a specific of time and you information would only be valid for that specific time. In the end you are not truly providing facts to your argument you are only feeding those that are against your idea.

Setting aside all of the numbers that you provided here and on the other sites and just looking at the environment for one moment I would have to say that the idea is hard to define. I have seen times when Draknor (113 D), Ascalon (78 D), Lion's Arch (56 D), and so on and the arena's with only 20 or so districts. And I have seen it in complete reverse as well were the arenas have more districts. Keeping in mind that the districts are opened and closed based on the amount of people arriving and leaving a specific area. In the end though I have found that in any given time I can find more districts open in the PvE area then in PvP. Now some real information would be how many ppl it takes to cause the opening of a new district and what causes the closing of a district. Taking that into consideration we could then figure, very extremely roughly, how many persons were playing, but again only a specific time, day, and date.

Now it is not my intent to add fuel to the fire here or to in away take away from your argument. It is only my intent to try and help everyone understand a little better what you are saying and attempt to clear up the miss information and ideas. The information that you are providing is not wrong it is just tainted by the original provider in an attempt to help them survive in the gaming world.

In the end I do not believe that the Priest should be moved into PvP, however I do believe that Faction points should be increased as the Consecutive Wins build up (per Kill and Win).

Captain guru has NO point (much like pvp) or makes any sense (much like most pvpers)

Yes. Yes you do need to look it up, why the hell should i have to scrounge the internet to back up your BS ? your argument is pathetic,and by spouting trash such as this your proving NOTHING . "ostrich syndrome" ?? huh? did this come out of your girl friends book as well ? was i diagnosed just now ? lol
Whatever, im DONE with you . . i was only trying to get you to understand a simple truth, the more you browbeat, without backing it up, the more pathetic you look. The more pathetic you look the less credibility you have. Do you see where this is going? if Everybody comes to the conclusion that you have no idea what your talking about, then nobody will care what you have to say one way or the other about anything. you will see this when you make a post, and nobody responds. sad really

Process of elimination. It's a method use to get rid incosistencies when fighting the actual statistics of a group. As I said earlier, I based the information circustmance, but I was also going to say the number of posts favorable post to pvp compare to pve.

If you read Spike's post, his information is based on the objective crowd (the crowd standing before him and several other districts), he didn't bother ask around, he didn't ask why they were so many people in the districts he explored. He only assumed everyone like PvE as much as he did and that he assume they were more people in pve and than pvp.

The sale configure was mentioned to let him know how players were playing and why he thought there were more people in pve. They are nearly million (if not a million already) players playing worldwide so they are going to be a lot of people in each district.

I didn't say WoW lost players. In fact, a lot of players in GW continue playing WoW. WoW had achieved 500 thousand players during beta, a million between late 2004/early 2005 worldwide. It lost 100 thousand players during the course of time and gain a million more when battlegrounds came out. Before battlegrounds came out, GW was selling higher than WoW, which had grabbed a million players of it's own. After battlegrounds came out, WoW regained the number 1 spot.

The area with the most district in the game hands down is Tombs. (PvP area) During 16 districts and 12 during the night. (One Saturday it was 19 districts.)

In PvE, Kryta only had 6 districts (furtherest area in the game), but in pre-searing the districts were 12 at day and 10 at night.

That would be a good idea and I think the prices of the moves should be lowered if they don't raise the faction points.

Good job guys, you've managed to derail a perfectly good thread, drive off the OP, and turn the thread into a flame war. I expressed my opinion about the topic in my first post.

Man, this is the least civil forum I've ever seen.

Yeah all because two people didn't understand statistics.

[QUOTE=CaptainGuru]

The area with the most district in the game hands down is Tombs. (PvP area) During 16 districts and 12 during the night. (One Saturday it was 19 districts.)

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you are kidding

i have seen PVE districts with 125+ districts

19???

Askalon city just a minute ago had 37 districts open (i looked didnt guess)

[QUOTE=Loviatar]Post Searing Ascalon has had up to 50 District open, but that's unavoid considering pre-searing/post searing Ascalon City are linked because they are both starting point.

CaptainGuru is that anyone you not going to disagree with?

Here is an example of how clueless captain guru really is

[QUOTE=CaptainGuru]
In PvE, Kryta only had 6 districts (furtherest area in the game) [end quote]

This is'nt even half way though the game. And kryta has 5 missions, 1 major city, 3 outposts and the temple of ages. Which if they only had 1 district for each of the 5 lanagues. That is still 50 districts. This is a VERY VERY LOW number as lions arch regually has at least 10 english districts or more. If europe has favour. Then the temple has about 20 districts for all lanaugues.

So based on the FACTS, We can see that kryta alone has at least three times as many districts for PVE as the biggest pvp area. This does NOT include the MANY MANY people that are in missions or doing quests. Which could be at least as many as are waiting in the towns and outposts. So its would be safe to say that pvpers are a minority and a VAST one at that.

You know you can use the code to end quote right?

I didn't know Gates of Kryta had 5 mission, 1 majority, 3 outposts and ToA all rolled into it. Last time I checked, it only had one mission. I need to look at the place again.

Refer to above.