Sick of that -50hp item
DarkGanni
This is very annoying, droknars is flooded with monks running out of the damn gate, in toa all i see is: ss/sv lf 55monk or 55monk lf ss/sv necro, always same story. i say: the -50hp offhand should be removed from the game
BellyFlop
Why you cant get one? so what if they run outside if you do the same you dont get to play with them.
Megla Zero
You already have a N/Me... switch to SS/SV and reap the benefits. Pretty simple.
DarkGanni
I dont need the -50hp item, Just saying that Gw is a game of teamwork, instead of farming, farming and more farming. how many ppl still making up teams to clear uw, its always about smite/spider runs.
purebad
what would you suggest people who have beaten the game 5+ times do? Quit crying... removing the -50hp item wont solve farming "problems" it will just give birth to something else that will annoy you equally
monkorama
W-H-I-N-E
Stop whining about the -50 item.
Almost every prof can solo farm but when monks solo' its always the same whine
Stop whining about the -50 item.
Almost every prof can solo farm but when monks solo' its always the same whine
sixdartbart
How exactly is it harming your game play by what/how others choose to do or play the game???
Please inform us of your most common game play style so we can make a complaint about how you are harming us....
FYI I have neither a 55 necro monk or any other low health build and I can still solo most areas of the game with my warrior just to avoid whinny complaining people who do directly effect my enjoyment of them game just by them being close enough for me to hear them complain about everything
Please inform us of your most common game play style so we can make a complaint about how you are harming us....
FYI I have neither a 55 necro monk or any other low health build and I can still solo most areas of the game with my warrior just to avoid whinny complaining people who do directly effect my enjoyment of them game just by them being close enough for me to hear them complain about everything
Alleji
Oh, yes, all farming will magically cease because it will be completely impossible to farm with a 105 monk. 
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by sixdartbart
How exactly is it harming your game play by what/how others choose to do or play the game???
Please inform us of your most common game play style so we can make a complaint about how you are harming us.... FYI I have neither a 55 necro monk or any other low health build and I can still solo most areas of the game with my warrior just to avoid whinny complaining people who do directly effect my enjoyment of them game just by them being close enough for me to hear them complain about everything |
VampiricuS
ya know im tired of you people hoggin ToA LFG for FoW bla bla bla, I think you all need to just stop doing quests you've alreay done and helping friends, its not fair and quit capping all the elites so everyone else can get one!
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SnoopJeDi
You're harming the people who enjoy farming with your complaining.
Thinking about farming is just cool for some people. Arranging skills in ways the developers themselves never even thought about is a real gas.
Just play.
Thinking about farming is just cool for some people. Arranging skills in ways the developers themselves never even thought about is a real gas.
Just play.
EternalTempest
Anet has nothing against farming if it's not extreme (and they view it as a failure on there end and will change it on there end) or it's for Real money / human bots for real money.
http://www.guildwars.com/press/inter...e-friday61.php
Also, solo farmer's don't want to party unless they want to so this does not affect the "monk that could be healing" is invalid. They play something else that can solo.
If it's the human bots / computer bots there always trying to shut them down.
http://www.guildwars.com/press/inter...e-friday61.php
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| There are three ways that certain players earn more gold than the average. The first and most obvious way is that, because everyone plays the game differently, some players are able to find unusually profitable areas to hunt in, or tricky strategies for killing a lot of monsters quickly. The search for the most effective way to play can be a fun part of the game for everyone -- we all like to see how well our characters can do, and whether we can tweak our characters to be better than they were previously -- and so we at ArenaNet don’t consider this a problem unless it’s extreme. Although a very knowledgeable or tricky player may be able to earn gold twice as fast as the average, this tends not to create a significant problem, because prices for items in the player-driven economy will still stay at levels where normal players can afford them. But sometimes differences in the distribution of wealth can be extreme; a group of players can find ways to earn gold ten times as fast as the average player. In this case, prices can rise to a level where normal players can’t afford to trade for items anymore. Then we have a problem, and we need to adjust the game to bring wealth distribution back into normal ranges. We constantly monitor the game, so we know when a certain place or technique is being heavily exploited. When an issue like this becomes too severe, we make tweaks as necessary to bring things back in line. |
If it's the human bots / computer bots there always trying to shut them down.
Peewee
/signed.
I a, totally with you on this one DarkGanni, the -50 hp focus should be sent the same way as HoD weapons. Its an exploit, and no better. Why does it affect me how other people play this game? well, quite simple really. We are all part of the same economy. What some 55hp monk does all day to get materials offsets the economy in my deficit. Essentially i am unable to farm the large amounts that others do, and as a result i suffer from inflation. Look what the popularity of drok runs did to warrior absorbtion runes. The Wammos are prepared to spend more, so the price is inflated, and warriors who play for the team work aspect cant get their hands on the runes. its the same for 55hp monks. Monk sup runes are extortionately highly priced compared to others due to 55hp monks. Ectos and Shards are also gravely affected by this inflation. For 55ers getting ectos and shards is so much easier than it is for other proffesions.
Essentially i see 55ers as a balance problem. Why is it allowed that such a build exists which can solo the most lucrative farming areas? doesnt that seem mad? On the other hand proffesions such as mesmer cant nearly perform as well in PvE. What we get is a split, and often i hear that mesmers are useless pve chars, and only good for pvp. They are meant to be good in both areas. What if one proffesion, say necromancer, was the only proffesion worth using in pvp? woudnt that be considered a flaw. The only build worth using to solo such areas is 55ers. I cant see a problem in changing it.
All you 55ers will probably say that its a source of money for many, and without it much of the items are simply overpriced. all i say to them is that these items are so pricey becuase ppl use 55ers as an easy way to make cash quick. Without this build in use the price of items would soon drop as the money coming in goes down. Its basic supply and demand. The result would be a fair ecomony to all proffesions. Dont even try to argue this logic, its based on real models, on real theorys, on which economys such as GWs are based. Like i said before, its supply and demand at its most basic. Fix it ANET!
I a, totally with you on this one DarkGanni, the -50 hp focus should be sent the same way as HoD weapons. Its an exploit, and no better. Why does it affect me how other people play this game? well, quite simple really. We are all part of the same economy. What some 55hp monk does all day to get materials offsets the economy in my deficit. Essentially i am unable to farm the large amounts that others do, and as a result i suffer from inflation. Look what the popularity of drok runs did to warrior absorbtion runes. The Wammos are prepared to spend more, so the price is inflated, and warriors who play for the team work aspect cant get their hands on the runes. its the same for 55hp monks. Monk sup runes are extortionately highly priced compared to others due to 55hp monks. Ectos and Shards are also gravely affected by this inflation. For 55ers getting ectos and shards is so much easier than it is for other proffesions.
Essentially i see 55ers as a balance problem. Why is it allowed that such a build exists which can solo the most lucrative farming areas? doesnt that seem mad? On the other hand proffesions such as mesmer cant nearly perform as well in PvE. What we get is a split, and often i hear that mesmers are useless pve chars, and only good for pvp. They are meant to be good in both areas. What if one proffesion, say necromancer, was the only proffesion worth using in pvp? woudnt that be considered a flaw. The only build worth using to solo such areas is 55ers. I cant see a problem in changing it.
All you 55ers will probably say that its a source of money for many, and without it much of the items are simply overpriced. all i say to them is that these items are so pricey becuase ppl use 55ers as an easy way to make cash quick. Without this build in use the price of items would soon drop as the money coming in goes down. Its basic supply and demand. The result would be a fair ecomony to all proffesions. Dont even try to argue this logic, its based on real models, on real theorys, on which economys such as GWs are based. Like i said before, its supply and demand at its most basic. Fix it ANET!
EternalTempest
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I a, totally with you on this one DarkGanni, the -50 hp focus should be sent the same way as HoD weapons. Its an exploit, and no better. Why does it affect me how other people play this game? well, quite simple really. We are all part of the same economy. What some 55hp monk does all day to get materials offsets the economy in my deficit. Essentially i am unable to farm the large amounts that others do, and as a result i suffer from inflation. Look what the popularity of drok runs did to warrior absorbtion runes. The Wammos are prepared to spend more, so the price is inflated, and warriors who play for the team work aspect cant get their hands on the runes. its the same for 55hp monks. Monk sup runes are extortionately highly priced compared to others due to 55hp monks. Ectos and Shards are also gravely affected by this inflation. For 55ers getting ectos and shards is so much easier than it is for other proffesions. Essentially i see 55ers as a balance problem. Why is it allowed that such a build exists which can solo the most lucrative farming areas? doesnt that seem mad? On the other hand proffesions such as mesmer cant nearly perform as well in PvE. What we get is a split, and often i hear that mesmers are useless pve chars, and only good for pvp. They are meant to be good in both areas. What if one proffesion, say necromancer, was the only proffesion worth using in pvp? woudnt that be considered a flaw. The only build worth using to solo such areas is 55ers. I cant see a problem in changing it. All you 55ers will probably say that its a source of money for many, and without it much of the items are simply overpriced. all i say to them is that these items are so pricey becuase ppl use 55ers as an easy way to make cash quick. Without this build in use the price of items would soon drop as the money coming in goes down. Its basic supply and demand. The result would be a fair ecomony to all proffesions. Dont even try to argue this logic, its based on real models, on real theorys, on which economys such as GWs are based. Like i said before, its supply and demand at its most basic. Fix it ANET! |
Anet has changed levels / area's to do this. Not only that the only time Anet has ever removed an item from the game was a "bugged" axe that allowed 2x same mod. Even the unbalanced items that no longer drop remain in the game (for PvP) HoH sword.
Not only that a ton of that money goes in to the "money" sinks built in to the game.
DarkGanni
The Dying Nightmares In Uw were created cause of the 55monks constantly soloing uw, players found a way around that and now everytime a group of 8 enters uw have to keep an eye on killing the nightmare first instead of focusing on the aataxes. And now think what was the reason Anet made the dying nightmares.
boxterduke
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
This is very annoying, droknars is flooded with monks running out of the damn gate, in toa all i see is: ss/sv lf 55monk or 55monk lf ss/sv necro, always same story. i say: the -50hp offhand should be removed from the game
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So let me ask, how did you get all the money? ebay??
EternalTempest
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
The Dying Nightmares In Uw were created cause of the 55monks constantly soloing uw, players found a way around that and now everytime a group of 8 enters uw have to keep an eye on killing the nightmare first instead of focusing on the aataxes. And now think what was the reason Anet made the dying nightmares.
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VampiricuS
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Originally Posted by boxterduke
Here we go another compaint, I see from your avatar that you have fissure armor (if thats actually you)
So let me ask, how did you get all the money? ebay?? |
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by boxterduke
Here we go another compaint, I see from your avatar that you have fissure armor (if thats actually you)
So let me ask, how did you get all the money? ebay?? |
Lord Iowerth
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Originally Posted by boxterduke
Here we go another compaint, I see from your avatar that you have fissure armor (if thats actually you)
So let me ask, how did you get all the money? ebay?? |
To the OP: I mean honestly ... all flames aside: does it directly effect you negatively? Doubtful, and certainly very little if at all.
We all have our little pet peeves that bother us in-game, and it's nice that you want to air out your feelings ... but be prepared for the backlash if you do so
VampiricuS
Im guessing he is worried that the economy will be effected somehow. too many ectos lowering the price? Seems doubtful to me being that its like pulling teeth to get a friggen ecto drop.
greenlantern
If you enjoy playing the game... PLAY THE GAME. Don't worry about what the other guy is doing, let ANET do that. Why is there so much B*tching over these stupid matters. If you don't like the way Anet designed the game, then you are not obligated to continue playing.
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by VampiricuS
Im guessing he is worried that the economy will be effected somehow. too many ectos lowering the price? Seems doubtful to me being that its like pulling teeth to get a friggen ecto drop.
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The New Guy
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
I could ask the same question about your avatar aswell. And in about 10months of playtime non-stop you think i wouldnt get 105 ectos, besides i would never pay real money for virtual ones, the reason i have it on necro cause it didnt require obsidian shards, was planning about buying fissure pants for my monk also but since they require shards now, i'll just stick with the 15k ones.
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Gun Pierson
I have no prob with the -50 cesta, it would be sexy if there was a -50 offhand monk item too though. I also have no prob with solo players or teamplayers.
Bob of Maple Ave
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
The Dying Nightmares In Uw were created cause of the 55monks constantly soloing uw, players found a way around that and now everytime a group of 8 enters uw have to keep an eye on killing the nightmare first instead of focusing on the aataxes. And now think what was the reason Anet made the dying nightmares.
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I'm not sure if it's the -50 item or just the whole setup combined, but there is an imbalance. My first character was an Ele, and, although there were some areas that I could solo in the later parts of the game (mostly using a geomancer setup), none of them were places that an ele exclusively could solo, and I definitely wasn't welcome on any kind of a team except FoW for farming (I consider FoW, UW, SF, and the Tombs to be the prime farming locations).
Of course, now I have a level 20 necro...once I get him fully equipped with all of the elite caps, this won't be my problem anymore. But I do feel your pain, and no, it isn't really fair.
Fluffyx
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
This is very annoying, droknars is flooded with monks running out of the damn gate, in toa all i see is: ss/sv lf 55monk or 55monk lf ss/sv necro, always same story. i say: the -50hp offhand should be removed from the game
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EternalTempest
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
The economy has already been affected judging by the prices on sup monk runes, same goes for the ectos. I just want to point out that its affecting the whole community.
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And Monk runes have been dropping, if they want to lower the cost they can also incerase the drop rate. Ecto/Shards would go up in price considering how the balk of the farming are 2 man teams (SS/55monk/fire ele).
Phaern Majes
Just to point out, I can duo UW with an ele. I'm a ranger. We can clear out all the aatxes, smites, and graspings. Granted its not everything in the UW, but without a monk that could be hard. Anyways point I'm getting at is we do not exploit anything, aoe's work as they should, our life is normal, etc. Fact is though we are able to duo it, just as 55'er and SS can. Just pointing out that we (me and my friend the ele) don't like 55's just as you don't, but we managed to find a way to farm the area and reap the same rewards of a 55'er. I can solo Perdition rock and the Gryffons as a Ranger. It may be a little bit slower than a 55 monk, but point is there are other ways and nerfing the 55 monk isn't going to solve the problem of inflated markets.
wsmcasey
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
This is very annoying, droknars is flooded with monks running out of the damn gate, in toa all i see is: ss/sv lf 55monk or 55monk lf ss/sv necro, always same story. i say: the -50hp offhand should be removed from the game
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Why don't you just ruin the game for everyone and have Anet remove all negative enhancing items just to make you happy.
-50, -20 offhand.
superior runes.
Maybe YOU should be removed from the game to prevent spoiling my fun.
VampiricuS
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
The economy has already been affected judging by the prices on sup monk runes, same goes for the ectos. I just want to point out that its affecting the whole community.
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Speak for yourself
boxterduke
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
I could ask the same question about your avatar aswell. And in about 10months of playtime non-stop you think i wouldnt get 105 ectos, besides i would never pay real money for virtual ones, the reason i have it on necro cause it didnt require obsidian shards, was planning about buying fissure pants for my monk also but since they require shards now, i'll just stick with the 15k ones.
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Unless you are extremely lucky and got good drops. My luck is crap and I never get any good drops so to get the armor (and I only have it on my mesmer+the warrior helm) I farmed my ass off.
So my point behind my post was, you had to farm to get the ecto for that armor. Even if you did not use 55.
People use different builds for farming, its just that 55 is the easiest and more common one since anyone that knows how to search can get a build.
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by wsmcasey
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Why don't you just ruin the game for everyone and have Anet remove all negative enhancing items just to make you happy. -50, -20 offhand. superior runes. Maybe YOU should be removed from the game to prevent spoiling my fun. |
B Ephekt
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Originally Posted by Fluffyx
This game was not meant to be done with one person
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Edit: Furthermore, the suggestion to remove the -50hp cesta is asinine all together, as it will not effect low-health farming builds one bit. It would only add a death or two to the process of lowering one’s health. Same thing with doubling of superior runes. Then what? You have to remove the -20hp offhands, which people actually use to play the game normally with, or start buffing monk skills which would cut into normal PvE and PvP play. Great suggestion!
So, in summation, stop crying and THINK before you start whining for things to be removed.
Rogier
i've beaten the game almost 3 times (not that much but ok) and farming is one of the only things next to GvG that keeps me playing GW
Maxiemonster
Don't remove it, then I'll be forced to look for a -20Hp Axe :'(
Haggard
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
now everytime a group of 8 enters uw have to keep an eye on killing the nightmare first instead of focusing on the aataxes. And now think what was the reason Anet made the dying nightmares.
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Quite frankly, I think you have no place in saying what should be removed to affect balance. The 55 build is not TEH ULTIMATE HAX BUILD OF LMAO GODLINESS!!1!1, its simply handy in certain areas, nerfing this would be cruel and most probably not solve many problems.
Thargor
original post: /NOT SIGNED not one valid point in the post.
Is there anything in this post that is anywhere near the truth?
Absorpiton runes have halved in price, not gone up.
Monk runes are not really very expensive, I am pretty sure they have dropped in price also.
The -50 focus can be had for free if you have an open slot or can be bought for around 4 or 5K.
Ecto is really cheap now compared to when it was at 12K or higher, saw someone selling it for 5.5K in LA today.
No need to go any further with this post.
IMO this is yet another thread that was started because someone is either too lazy to work for their money or is jealous because some of us have alot more free time to play the game. There is not one single item in the game that is required to win. All those high priced crystallines don't make you invincable, they just make you look better when you are laying on the ground after I kill you with my plain old longsword!
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/signed.
I a, totally with you on this one DarkGanni, the -50 hp focus should be sent the same way as HoD weapons. Its an exploit, and no better. Why does it affect me how other people play this game? well, quite simple really. We are all part of the same economy. What some 55hp monk does all day to get materials offsets the economy in my deficit. Essentially i am unable to farm the large amounts that others do, and as a result i suffer from inflation. Look what the popularity of drok runs did to warrior absorbtion runes. The Wammos are prepared to spend more, so the price is inflated, and warriors who play for the team work aspect cant get their hands on the runes. its the same for 55hp monks. Monk sup runes are extortionately highly priced compared to others due to 55hp monks. Ectos and Shards are also gravely affected by this inflation. For 55ers getting ectos and shards is so much easier than it is for other proffesions. Essentially i see 55ers as a balance problem. Why is it allowed that such a build exists which can solo the most lucrative farming areas? doesnt that seem mad? On the other hand proffesions such as mesmer cant nearly perform as well in PvE. What we get is a split, and often i hear that mesmers are useless pve chars, and only good for pvp. They are meant to be good in both areas. What if one proffesion, say necromancer, was the only proffesion worth using in pvp? woudnt that be considered a flaw. The only build worth using to solo such areas is 55ers. I cant see a problem in changing it. All you 55ers will probably say that its a source of money for many, and without it much of the items are simply overpriced. all i say to them is that these items are so pricey becuase ppl use 55ers as an easy way to make cash quick. Without this build in use the price of items would soon drop as the money coming in goes down. Its basic supply and demand. The result would be a fair ecomony to all proffesions. Dont even try to argue this logic, its based on real models, on real theorys, on which economys such as GWs are based. Like i said before, its supply and demand at its most basic. Fix it ANET! |
Absorpiton runes have halved in price, not gone up.
Monk runes are not really very expensive, I am pretty sure they have dropped in price also.
The -50 focus can be had for free if you have an open slot or can be bought for around 4 or 5K.
Ecto is really cheap now compared to when it was at 12K or higher, saw someone selling it for 5.5K in LA today.
No need to go any further with this post.
IMO this is yet another thread that was started because someone is either too lazy to work for their money or is jealous because some of us have alot more free time to play the game. There is not one single item in the game that is required to win. All those high priced crystallines don't make you invincable, they just make you look better when you are laying on the ground after I kill you with my plain old longsword!
Megla Zero
Umm... Monk Runes weren't lowered by 55 farming, it was the excessive Ettin farming that dropped the prices, and if I'm not mistaken that was done mostly with Wammos and Live Vicariously + Cyclone Axe.
Edit: Oh nevermind, I see you were talking about them going up. Actually, I highly doubt that... since Monks generally don't have to worry about their health (as much) for PvE they can stock up on 1-2 sup runes no matter what, where as some of the other classes might have to be more wary. Plus, Monks are bound to be one of the most popular classes since you KNOW it is basically needed for the game. If anything, 55 monks and solo farming has lowered prices... maybe not on monk runes, but the more farming that happens the lower it will get.
Edit: Oh nevermind, I see you were talking about them going up. Actually, I highly doubt that... since Monks generally don't have to worry about their health (as much) for PvE they can stock up on 1-2 sup runes no matter what, where as some of the other classes might have to be more wary. Plus, Monks are bound to be one of the most popular classes since you KNOW it is basically needed for the game. If anything, 55 monks and solo farming has lowered prices... maybe not on monk runes, but the more farming that happens the lower it will get.
Thargor
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Umm... Monk Runes weren't lowered by 55 farming,
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My point was that someone was crying about prices on things going up when they were actually going down.
@ Ardor, Glad to see you could bring something constructive to the conversation here.