Much more economical
Guild Wars account 49.99 + Tax
4 Slots per account
Guild Wars Slots 9.99 + Tax
4 Slots for 40$ rather than 50$
Purchase More Character Slots!
Count to Potato
MelechRic
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Originally Posted by kryshnysh
How much does ANet get off of each copy of Guild Wars? Best Buy might sell it for $20 to pull you in; they'll bite the bullet in the hopes you buy more stuff from them. Of that, does ANet only get $20? Or does Best Buy still pay ANet the $35-40? My guess is closer to the latter, its more typical of such economics. You're getting that $20 discount from Best Buy more than ANet, to clear shelves, to pull you in and hope you buy more, etc. <snip>
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Looking at the the $10/slot promotion we can see that it's margins are much higher for ANet/NCSoft. The only middle men putting their hands out for a cut are the credit card companies. There is a small overhead for the website as well. There's nothing to ship since it's a virtual product (key for a slot unlock). Very very savvy marketing.
Now they just need to take the next logical step:
$30 for content (chapters) w/o any slots.
$10 for a slot that has full access to the content bought AND 5 extra storage slots.
If ANet does this then it effectively cuts off the whining about slots/chapter. They can even do some bonus stuff like 2 free slots when you purchase your first content.
Seems like a rock solid marketing plan.
Beat_Go_Stick
Solution for people with 2 accounts:
STEP 1 - Sell one account on ebay to someone interested in checking the game out.
STEP 2 - Use a portion of the money you make to pay back what you spent on GW:Prophecies.
STEP 3 - Use another portion of the money you make to buy an extra 3 character slots on your other account.
STEP 4 - Use the rest of the money you make to buy your girl (or boy) dinner and a night on the town.
I know this doesn't handle the fact that you have unlocks on both accounts but, yaknow, there are worse things in life. Doing it this way allows you to have a primary of each class, a slot open for PvP, and a night out dancing it up
Actually sounds pretty good to me....too bad I only have my one account.
STEP 1 - Sell one account on ebay to someone interested in checking the game out.
STEP 2 - Use a portion of the money you make to pay back what you spent on GW:Prophecies.
STEP 3 - Use another portion of the money you make to buy an extra 3 character slots on your other account.
STEP 4 - Use the rest of the money you make to buy your girl (or boy) dinner and a night on the town.
I know this doesn't handle the fact that you have unlocks on both accounts but, yaknow, there are worse things in life. Doing it this way allows you to have a primary of each class, a slot open for PvP, and a night out dancing it up
Actually sounds pretty good to me....too bad I only have my one account.
Xaniera
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Ya, it is an opinion. But I believe your opinion was manipulated by Anet's marketing tactics. They have a habit of promising a product that is far below the requirements to fully enjoy the game. Then when they meet you half way you're so relieved you fail to notice that you still are getting jipped. Some examples.
What a reasonable person would expect to get: 7 slots (1 for each primary character + 1 so you can take part in PvP) What you're promised: 4 slots What you get: 4 slots plus the option to buy more Reaction: Oh joy, we're not stuck with 4 slots Oversight: We have to pay double to get what we should reasonably expect to have to fully appreciate the game What a reasonable person would expect to get: Prophesy owners to get the same number of slots as new purchasers of Factions (4 more slots) What you're promised: 1 slot What you get: 2 slots Reaction: Oh joy, we're not stuck with 1 slot Oversight: We still get less for the same amount of money. |
Jedediah Strong
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
If you try to compare GW to MMORPG , please don't exlcude the bigger size of the game and the free content update they get.
Sorrows Furnace is the only compareable free update GW ever added. The rest are minor when compared to other MMORPG. |
I played Earth and Beyond for the entire time it was available....one, count 'em...one actual game update in two years. Yeah, we got the monthly content patch that fixed bugs and made tweaks/nerfs, but no updates or expansions.
Eve Online....hey....there is a fun game. That is if you have 9 months or so to spend grinding away in order to get to a level that is even competitive. Not to mention the "screen stare" for minutes while waiting to zone or dock. Wow. Excitement. At $15 bucks a month. I will admit, the graphics rocked.
Shadowbane. Yawn.
On and on it goes.
Jedediah Strong
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Originally Posted by WetWookie
Except that GW is not a MMORPG. You might as well argue that I should be happy paying $30 more because a car costs $200 a month and GW is cheaper.
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Call it what you will. I still say the difference is negligible.
MM = Massively Multi-player. I would say 1,000,000+ subscribers is MM
O = Online. Yup. We play it online.
RP = Role Playing. Hmm. Give or take this one. I do lot's of role playing. When the game went live (and during beta) there was allot more role playing. Now we have many many more adolescent kids just being their same old real life immature selves.
G = Game. Indeed. Last time I checked it was still a game.
I never really bought into the MMOG bit. Like I said, I think the genre is sort of relative.
For me, the only real downside to the CHEAP cost of playing this game is that it opens it up to a realm of immaturity that could not afford to play if it cost a monthly fee.
So, regardless of what you call it, the game DOES compare to the "standard" MMORPG (and that is what I have always considered it for my purposes) and that said, it is pretty damn affordable.
Just my opinion of course. But I am ok with that.
JaktUp
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Originally Posted by TalonTheCat
Yipee! I wish I could merge my two accounts too, but can't have everything.
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I predict alot of secondary accounts being sold on eBay...
Really though, I see no reason why merging accounts couldn't be done just as easy. Shoot, I'd pay to be able to do that. It would save me all that work all over again.
WetWookie
The root of the problem is that in order to fully enjoy the game we all love we are forced to pay an additional $30 in order to be able to play a character of each class and to have a slot for PvP.
If I sold you a book and told you you had to skip 1 out of every 3 chapters unless you pay double you would not be happy.
If I sold you a book and told you you had to skip 1 out of every 3 chapters unless you pay double you would not be happy.
Loviatar
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Ya, it is an opinion. But I believe your opinion was manipulated by Anet's marketing tactics. They have a habit of promising a product that is far below the requirements to fully enjoy the game. .
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since this is Anets first game how do they have a history?and if you knew this why did you buy it?
also why are so many people enjoying an unenjoyable game?
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lyra_song
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The root of the problem is that in order to fully enjoy the game we all love we are forced to pay an additional $30 in order to be able to play a character of each class and to have a slot for PvP.
If I sold you a book and told you you had to skip 1 out of every 3 chapters unless you pay double you would not be happy. |
Your book analogy would mean that the book would be readable, but youd have to lock up chapter 1 in order to read chapter 2. You can go back and re-read chapter 1 but that means you have to lock up chapter 2.
Complete access, but not all at once. Very inconvenient and annoying.
Darkgift Risen
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Why yes, yes I can.
Oh, and BTW for anyone complaining about this, this is exactly what you were complaining about before, NOT ENOUGH SLOTS WAAAAA then YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY AS YOU WANT!! NOT FAIR WAAAAAAAAAAAA just leave it alone! and if you cant be satisfied by what they have done go away and play something else! I cant stand all the whining threads I see on here. They are all the same, and have NO point except to complain about a game that has given most of us over 1000 hours of playing time!!! I personally have NEVER had a game that I stayed interested in for that long. To end my rant, I think we need a "whining forum" where ppl can go and complain, just sweep it clean every week. |
Omnidragon42
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for all the storage complaints: each character can hold an extra 45 slots and 100k
I love this idea and sooooooooooo excited.
for all the storage complaints: each character can hold an extra 45 slots and 100k
I love this idea and sooooooooooo excited.
Batius
So its 4.99 per slot? They should just bunch an extra 4 slots together for like £15-20. Seeing as you've already purchased the game you should get hefty discounts.
Ah well, I'll pay anyway, I want characters with each profession as primary, its killin me not havin an ele and mes while I have everythin else at 20.
Hope its early not late summer
Ah well, I'll pay anyway, I want characters with each profession as primary, its killin me not havin an ele and mes while I have everythin else at 20.
Hope its early not late summer
Loviatar
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Hope its early not late summer
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think of the summer release of Sorrows Furnace
snicker...............
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
The problem is trying to sell the math logic that Gaile and company (yes Gaile I am calling you out on this) try to sell as if the community is some kind of idiots.
They where try to pitch it as if it was some kind of benefit when in fact it was just a backdoor scheme to eek out more money. ANet scams the whole we don't have a monthly BS. We are not even in chapter 2 and that argument has already become weak. Instead of being honest like other companies about their marketing model - ANet decided to BS the community. Hood winking. Yea no monthly - but they will get you later. |
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ANet keeps treating the community like this then it is hard not to be anti ANet. The PvP community has slowly been disillusioned with ANet. And like many things in the gaming industry - the PvP community leads the way. ANet you have been warned. |
I'll tell everyone right now who is morally outraged that a company has the gall to sell a service people want, they SHOULD leave Guild Wars. And go live in a commune somewhere, so you can get everything you want for free.
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what the hell are u talking about??
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What I was really trying to say is, if you can't stand 'whining' don't read the 'whiny' threads. I find it absolutely perplexing that people would voluntarily expose themselves to something they can't stand and then complain about how they can't stand it. It makes me think you just like to complain, or dogpile people who don't share your sentiments. Conversations can do without either.
Darkgift Risen
Right on brutha..its amazing that people always find something to complain about..why are u guys still playing GW then? I don't friggin understand it..and if 9.99 is alot to ask for a character slot..then sell ur pc and buy a nintendo 64 i think those games are cheap enough for you...the fact is, GW is a quality game...quality costs money some time or another...but the QUALITY and GAMEPLAY is there...Dark
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
And like many things in the gaming industry - the PvP community leads the way.
ANet you have been warned. |
MYST
DID MORE FOR GAMING TO GET US WHERE WE ARE NOW THAN ANY OTHER GAME TECH WISE.
NOT PVP
frickett
I love guild wars, It rocks. I have a lvl 20 ranger/monk, warrior/necro and mesmer, ele. As well as my pvp slot. woot woot. Im gonna make a monk, and a necro when i get my bonus slots. Not sure that i will need a primary ele, asn, or rit yet, but if I decide that i do, then the opportunity is there for me. A-net rocks.
DoctorEvil
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Originally Posted by WetWookie
The root of the problem is that in order to fully enjoy the game we all love we are forced to pay an additional $30 in order to be able to play a character of each class and to have a slot for PvP.
If I sold you a book and told you you had to skip 1 out of every 3 chapters unless you pay double you would not be happy. |
And the book analogy is a little off....once I've gone through PvE once, I've read the whole book. When I went through PvE with my second character, I re-read the book from a different characters point of view. When I did it the 3rd & 4th times, I was bored and skipped a few chapters so I could get to the end.
Batius
Ok this thread is getting quite sad now, flame after flame, whine after whine.
I say a moderator closes the thread.
ANet are trying their best to cater for everyone, GW provides 4 slots for characters, that isn't gonna change. So for those who wish to try out more characters they have offered new slots. You want them, take them, you don't, carry on playing with 4 slots. If you're unhappy that you have to pay extra for more slots:
1. Stop playing GW
2. Buy a game that suits your preferences, or make your own.
3. Realise that although ANet look after our best interests, they are still a BUSINESS. You reel off freebies all the time, you lose income. No income means less to spend on maintenance, more downtime. Less staff to develop new chapters (Factions), no special events (Haloween, Christmas, PVP Events), which means that people start to complain. Its a vicious circle that can be broken simply by people keeping their mouths shut with opinions that are negative. You don't like it? Fine, but don't bury us in your own BS (Sorry about language)
So basically buy new slots if you like, if you don't like the price, carry on playing with 4 slots or just quit.
For those who want slots, the information is given either in the link of the first post, or other information is given through out the thread.
Some people really act like 5 year olds...
I say a moderator closes the thread.
ANet are trying their best to cater for everyone, GW provides 4 slots for characters, that isn't gonna change. So for those who wish to try out more characters they have offered new slots. You want them, take them, you don't, carry on playing with 4 slots. If you're unhappy that you have to pay extra for more slots:
1. Stop playing GW
2. Buy a game that suits your preferences, or make your own.
3. Realise that although ANet look after our best interests, they are still a BUSINESS. You reel off freebies all the time, you lose income. No income means less to spend on maintenance, more downtime. Less staff to develop new chapters (Factions), no special events (Haloween, Christmas, PVP Events), which means that people start to complain. Its a vicious circle that can be broken simply by people keeping their mouths shut with opinions that are negative. You don't like it? Fine, but don't bury us in your own BS (Sorry about language)
So basically buy new slots if you like, if you don't like the price, carry on playing with 4 slots or just quit.
For those who want slots, the information is given either in the link of the first post, or other information is given through out the thread.
Some people really act like 5 year olds...
Mordakai
/signed to close
We are not getting ripped off, repeating it over and over doesn't make it so. In order to get ripped off, you have to buy something that doesn't deliver what was promised. By now, we all know merging Factions nets you two slots. Ergo, you can't be ripped off, since you know what you're getting.
We are not getting ripped off, repeating it over and over doesn't make it so. In order to get ripped off, you have to buy something that doesn't deliver what was promised. By now, we all know merging Factions nets you two slots. Ergo, you can't be ripped off, since you know what you're getting.
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by WetWookie
"OMG You guys want us to have a better product! I won't stand for this! Let's all unite and fight to make sure that we all have LESS or at the very least we are charged more!"
P.S. Shoes without laces and games where you can't experience all of the content are both functional. They just don't do what a reasonable consumer would expect them to do so the analogy stands. |
warren_kn
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Originally Posted by WetWookie
"OMG You guys want us to have a better product! I won't stand for this! Let's all unite and fight to make sure that we all have LESS or at the very least we are charged more!"
P.S. Shoes without laces and games where you can't experience all of the content are both functional. They just don't do what a reasonable consumer would expect them to do so the analogy stands. |
edit - also /signed for closing, this thread is going nowhere, just whine after whine.
WetWookie
Why are you guys so opposed to Anet producing a better product? And shutting up people who dislike something does not make it go away. If nobody complained about anything nothing would ever improve.
felinette
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This was something that wasn't anticipated by A.net and the new slots are designed to prevent future necessities like this. I don't know that there's many ways to fix what's already happened.
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I think offering the option to buy character slots is great--it's why most people have more than one account. And I think they need to address merging accounts now that they've rectified a problem that they created in the first place, namely the game having fewer character slots than professions.
pegasux
wow this is pretty funny to read. simply put if you want more char. slots buy it if not then don't either way whining will not make ANET give us an extra slot. get over it and enjoy the game.
warren_kn
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Why are you guys so opposed to Anet producing a better product? And shutting up people who dislike something does not make it go away. If nobody complained about anything nothing would ever improve.
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WetWookie
It does equal a better product to the people who would use those slots. No I don't see this argument going anywhere. And no, complaining to Anet to change it would do nothing. It's too late now that they've implemented pay per slot.
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Extra slots does not equal better product plain and simple.
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I can't believe many people would think it does.
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I do agree with you on your second point, however the complaint has been made, arguments explained, it is going nowhere. Make your complaints direct to Anet now. Can you really see this thread coming to a good conclusion
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Loviatar
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And I think they need to address merging accounts now that they've rectified a problem that they created in the first place, namely the game having fewer character slots than professions.
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they make few flat out statements usually hedging what they say.merging accounts has been given a flat no every time it has been brought up.
example of why it is a baaadddd idea.
husband and wife play as a team on separate pcs and accounts
hubby/wife gets this great idea of lets use that merge option and then only have to buy 1 copy of each following chapter...see the trap yet?
they merge accounts and try to play as a team but only one can control a character...........ooopppsssssie
contact support who says you were warned with pictures and in seven different languages that the merge was irrivocable and we cannot change it back..........curses Anet for giving them the option.
WetWookie
Why can't we discuss something that won't change? I'd say about 99% of the discussions on this board change nothing.
warren_kn
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Originally Posted by Gli
Of course it does, up to the point that playing options equal content. With less slots than primaries, we're not at that point yet. I can't believe you can argue against this.
I can't believe even one person would believe it doesn't. Fan forums are how ANet wants us to communicate our feelings about the game to them. Try going the direct way and that's what they'll tell you. |
Finally I know Anets policy regarding forums. My point was the arguments have been made for both sides, this thread has become just a tit-for-tat exchange between people (including this post I suppose
warren_kn
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Why can't we discuss something that won't change? I'd say about 99% of the discussions on this board change nothing.
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felinette
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husband and wife play as a team on separate pcs and accounts
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But, you know, I was thinking about this, and I think that as a result of the announcement to sell character slots, I'll be cancelling one of my Factions preorders. I only really need 8 slots (one for each profession--I don't PvP, and if I ever want to, I'll just buy another slot). It'll cost me 20 bucks US to buy 2 slots, plus the 6 I'll have with merged Prophecies and Factions = 8 slots. It means the characters on my other account can't go to Cantha, but that's fine. So in the long run, I'll actually save about $30 (by not buying a second copy of Factions), plus not have to buy two copies in the future.
Others with multiple accounts might want to consider the same thing. Cancel your extra Factions preorders and buy extra slots instead. Not ideal, but more cost-efficient in the long run.
Gli
Merging accounts would bring up all kinds of complications. ANet reps have mentioned several and I can't recall all of them but they were convincing.
Here's one: Fame. What would happen if I merge a 100 fame account with a 10,000 fame one?
And imagine the horrors if someone merged stolen accounts.
Here's one: Fame. What would happen if I merge a 100 fame account with a 10,000 fame one?
And imagine the horrors if someone merged stolen accounts.
MSecorsky
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But, you know, I was thinking about this, and I think that as a result of the announcement to sell character slots, I'll be cancelling one of my Factions preorders. I only really need 8 slots (one for each profession--I don't PvP, and if I ever want to, I'll just buy another slot). It'll cost me 20 bucks US to buy 2 slots, plus the 6 I'll have with merged Prophecies and Factions = 8 slots. It means the characters on my other account can't go to Cantha, but that's fine. So in the long run, I'll actually save about $30 (by not buying a second copy of Factions), plus not have to buy two copies in the future.
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I still think the Ebay guy that buys 20 slots to hold his stuff... then gets caught and the whole account deleted...
Heh heh... see, there is a niche that may not like this in the long run.
warren_kn
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
Actually, it was all the slot complaint threads that probably led to the decision to offer more slots for $10.
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I appreciate that, but my point was that 99% of threads on the board don't change things because not all threads are complaints.............!
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Sigh. Again, you are not being forced to buy anything. I don't know how to say this any plainer than no extra expenses required. No monthly fees, no requirement to buy expansions, no requirement to buy extra slots. You paid $50 for GW and can continue to play it as long as you want without spending another dime (other than internet access, but I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Anet for that as well...)
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Bwa- ha- ha! You're funny. You really are. But I don't think Anet or anybody else feels threatened. I'll tell everyone right now who is morally outraged that a company has the gall to sell a service people want, they SHOULD leave Guild Wars. And go live in a commune somewhere, so you can get everything you want for free. |
OMG. It is the 'Love it or leave it' bumper sticker.
felinette
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Merging accounts would bring up all kinds of complications. ANet reps have mentioned several and I can't recall all of them but they were convincing.
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But as my previous post indicated, I no longer care about merging accounts.