Purchase More Character Slots!

Mai

Mai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Needs Moar[DESU]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
Anet gave them what they begged for.

how can they NOT complain.

it is the nature of the beast
Yep people will always find something to complain about

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Now what we need:

Anet NEEDS to sell bundle packs of Campaigns 1 and 2 together!!!

with special stuff

SisterMercy

SisterMercy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sisters of Mercy

Quote:
Originally Posted by SchwarzKnight
Either way, it seems to me that, if they knew this was going to be an eventuality, announcing it now is about the worst possible implementation of this particular economic strategem...
Especially since they announced it before everyone bought Factions, rather than after.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
GW is pay once - play forever.

WoW is pay to play...
So is Sweden's welfare / tax system. The analogy holds up.

macdadg

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2006

Florida

Mo/Me

Ok. I read the first 6 pages of this thread, and it all seems like the same argument. My .02

All the slots on an account get access to the new chapter when the key is added, then $10 is rather cheap compared to adding another account. Think about it, at Chapter 3, you will have 8 characters at a price of $150 (provided you got all three at $50 each). Now you can add 8 more slots with access to all the same content for $80. That's near half price!

Spiteful Soul

Spiteful Soul

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

FoW

N/A

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hell shit yeah.
about freakin time. I must of deleted over 20
different characters. all with at least 3 sets of 15k
armor plus other goods. I'll pay real money for the
extra slots any time/day.

Shadowfox1125

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

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Great idea, but I'm wondering how we'll pay for the slots.. Of course, through the internet, maybe credit/debit card, paypal, but I'd like to see what WoW or CoH/CoV has: a card that you can purchase at an electronics store.. You know, because some of the less fortunate people don't have credit cards..

It would stink if you invested your time AND money to buy like 4 extra slots and have 10 slots(including Factions), and then get banned. $40 down the drain.

gkanks

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ok, some of my comments may be redundant. Forgive me for that. I quit reading the entire thing because it is growing too quickly for me to keep up with tonight.

I would suggest you don't compare the value of this game on a chapter-to-chapter basis. Instead compare what we get from the developers against other online games. Other games charge a heck of a lot more for really weak value added services and the amount of game content from each expansion is typically mediocre.

For the money the content we receive is excellent. The Sorrows Furnace addon was free. Each chapter is not more of the same but an attempt to add a new play element to keep the game fresh. They pay a great deal of attention to keeping the game balanced. Many new features, such as observer mode, have not been associated with the purchase of new chapters. My guess is the auction house will be free to all players.

I think they are doing a great job of trying to appeal to the entire community as much as possible. Being a casual player I do not think I will love some of the primary elements of Factions (alliances/elite missions). If not I may not play Factions much but I feel confident the next chapter will then cater more to my play style. I have been part of several online gaming communities and none of them have put as much effort into their members/customers as we have seen from ArenaNet.

As for this particular issue:

1 – There are system resources associated with each character account. By making us pay for extra slots they cut down on unused garbage slots, that would be used if they were free, eating those resources and receive a little compensation for the extra efforts. While each slot probably doesn't eat much in the way of resources if they gave away too many slots it would add up dramatically.

2 – They gave the community exactly what most of us were asking for and for listening I say thank you ArenaNet.

Now my only complaint: if I can't get a freakin collectors edition so I can have the extra dances I'm gonna be ticked.

eSe

eSe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

omg woot i want the new slots now !!!!

Sunai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
GW is pay once - play forever.

WoW is pay to play.
I'm going to clarify this, for the people having a complex about not having continuous free content updates.

Guild Wars is pay once - play forever, but if you want new content you have to pay for it when it becomes available.

Games like WoW are pay once, pay monthly to both have access and to get content updates. Pay again for any significant updates they decide to make an expansion pack.

Two mutually exclusive content delivery methods that are equal in fairness. Go with the one you personally prefer.

But for reference, skip ahead to the next week when Factions will be here. It will have been an entire year since Guild Wars was originally released. Considering you bought Factions, you paid ~$100 for all the content/features they've been able to work on. If it was WoW-style, it would have been at least ( $30-50 + 12(~$15) ). ~$100 is much more fair than $200+ in my opinion.

But your personal preference may differ.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

This is not a political or a place to compare countries thread, please try to keep this on-topic. Thank you!

Griff Mon

Griff Mon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

In the Elfen Forests of Washington State

Damage Radius

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125
Great idea, but I'm wondering how we'll pay for the slots.. Of course, through the internet, maybe credit/debit card, paypal, but I'd like to see what WoW or CoH/CoV has: a card that you can purchase at an electronics store.. You know, because some of the less fortunate people don't have credit cards..

It would stink if you invested your time AND money to buy like 4 extra slots and have 10 slots(including Factions), and then get banned. $40 down the drain.
All you really need is an ATM card with a Visa or MC Logo on it....

Tric

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Sweden

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inde
This is not a political or a place to compare countries thread, please try to keep this on-topic. Thank you!
I was using it as a metaphor. I see that as being on topic.

Bah Lloomee

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

This is an excellent idea. Everyone wins.

Xaniera

Xaniera

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

The U.S. of A.

NuDE

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125
Great idea, but I'm wondering how we'll pay for the slots.. Of course, through the internet, maybe credit/debit card, paypal, but I'd like to see what WoW or CoH/CoV has: a card that you can purchase at an electronics store.. You know, because some of the less fortunate people don't have credit cards..

It would stink if you invested your time AND money to buy like 4 extra slots and have 10 slots(including Factions), and then get banned. $40 down the drain.
They'll probably do something like PayPal. It would be nice, though, to be able to buy a card down at your local video game store with an access key of some kind that does nothing but add another character. I guess that'd be kind of like xbox live, where you can pay per-month, or buy a card with a year's access, except you don't have to pay per-month for GW characters. Somewhat bad analogy.

Sure, you've invested your time and money to get say fissure/15k/new factions armor across 10 characters, and if you break rules and get your account banned, you probably deserved it. Don't want to lose your time/monetary investment? Don't break rules.

JiggyFly

JiggyFly

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

So-Cal

Forsaken Wanderers [FW]

Mo/

Quote:
But for reference, skip ahead to the next week when Factions will be here. It will have been an entire year since Guild Wars was originally released. Considering you bought Factions, you paid ~$100 for all the content/features they've been able to work on. If it was WoW-style, it would have been at least ( $30-50 + 12(~$15) ). ~$100 is much more fair than $200+ in my opinion.

But your personal preference may differ.
Thus why they added the 10$ per new slot was added..people were realizing that 2 Accounts 50+50 = 100$ (Talking about initial prices not after it becames 20-30$ at Wal-Mart, etc.), and 2 expansions 50 + 50$ = 100$. Which is effectively 200$ and quite on par with the 220-250$ you would have payed for other games with the Pay as you pay system. (I don't think it was ever Anets intent for it to end up that way, but I think they underesitmated how many people would go out and buy 2 accounts)

Thus a combination of people requesting and people realizing it actually wasn't that much cheaper, is why in my opinion ANet went with the character slot route. Plus, 4 more character slots is 40$ or effectively 10-20$ more than just buying a second account. Which is also a plus for Anet in the profits category.

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaniera
2 different CDs doesn't make a difference, it's still the same client. There was a thread not too long ago on either Guru or GW Online (call me a heretic if you want, I'm in both forums but only really post in this one) about running 2 copies of guild wars at the same time. Yes, you copied the install of the client into 2 separate directories. Then you renamed a few files, opened some of them with a hex editor, and pretty much began to smash your End-User Licence Agreement to a million pieces. You had to have a fairly good knowledge of what you were doing, and how not to ruin your computer to get it to work. Besides that, if A-Net caught you chopping their client, you'd probably go from 2 accounts to 0.



heehee, do they make you do that in WoW or something?
My post had nothing to do with hacking files. My post was talking about doing another clean install to another directory, hence you should have another set of lines in your registry pointing to the second install of GW, assuming that GW lets you choose where to install said files, which it does

WoW has no "buy stuff outside of the game from us for use ingame" at this time and may never have it, just like GW currently. It is sony that started offering ingame items for real cash.

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by warren_kn
There is a difference between those examples and buying slots for GW. The examples in other games are "needed" by players to remain competitive. Extra character slots in GW are a convenience, nothing more. Similarly, the person who is gonna buy 4 slots is probably because it is convenient to have them all on the same account, sharing the same storage and not having the hassle of transferring between accounts. To the argument above stating $x for item a, $x for whatever else, those costs are one offs, no comparison to monthly fees. Even so, I doubt there will be any purchaseable items in GW, at least in the near future anyway.
Sorry but I disagree with you. Extra slots in any game are not "needed" they are all a convience. The more slots a game has for characters the more that people are likely to experiment and play all sorts of classes/builds, hence it adds longevity to a game.

Now I do agree that having all slots on one account is more convenient then installing another copy of the game.

As to Anet adding other purchasable things ingame...we'll all just have to wait and see, however they are setting a precidence that they can follow up on/add on to. I remember sony/verant doing the same thing. First it was name changes, then character>server transfers, now its ingame items...etc..

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fungus Amongus
One more storage row per added character slot would be in line with current storage capacity. I would be fine with that. Currently we have four rows of five and four character slots. So six characters should have six rows of five.

~Edit - Purchase one slot and receive five more boxes in storage with it.
That is a nice idea, though we'll have to wait and see what they come up with for the storage issue. Gaile already said they were looking into something that is supposed to be a free update for everyone.

Xaniera

Xaniera

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

The U.S. of A.

NuDE

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imaginos
My post had nothing to do with hacking files. My post was talking about doing another clean install to another directory, hence you should have another set of lines in your registry pointing to the second install of GW, assuming that GW lets you choose where to install said files, which it does

WoW has no "buy stuff outside of the game from us for use ingame" at this time and may never have it, just like GW currently. It is sony that started offering ingame items for real cash.
My question is, have you ever done it before? From what I've read, it seems like the GW client checks not only for a pre-installed version of itself, but also if you try to run it twice it checks to see if it's already running. Therefore, you would have to change the name of the process to make sure it doesn't see itself. I have not, however, done this myself, I'm talking only from stuff I've read, so feel free to tell me that you've done it differently.

floppinghog

floppinghog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

Squad Six Six Six [ssss]

A/Me

when you complain about how apparently unfair a special offer is, you clearly need education.

something just about everyone has wanted for how long(?) is offered, and all some people can do is complain about the price. i'm sure 10$ for infinite PLAY TIME - on now 2 chapters of CONTENT + access to one account + all professions + future chapter merges. for a mesley 10$ its a STEAL

ITS A STEAL.

i hope none of the people who are complaining have payed for WoW... that must have been hell on earth for you... 15$ PER month for how many characters can you make on diff servers, when you can only play ONE at a time? least this way you KNOW what your paying for, and can keep it forever, for one payment at a time, when YOUR good and READY of finally getting a job for some pocket change... come on... geez.

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaniera
Before you get too carried away, how would A-Net be able to afford to just give out $100,000 in cash to a few gamers who win a tournament if they're not making tons of money?
Did you ever consider that it isn't Anet fronting that money but their publisher/owner NCSoft, who happen to have quite a few pay by month mmorpgs out, amongst other products that support them. For all we know Anet/GW is a write off for NCSoft.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MelechRic
I'd hazard to guess that ANets biggest costs are related to paying for network bandwidth and NOT storage. Storage costs trend downward historically. Bandwidth does too, but ANet's bandwidth usage is probably climbing. (I assume this because if it were decreasing their business would also be decreasing and that would be bad.) So long term adding slots will add a negligible amount of storage cost AND bandwidth costs due to new players is offset by the price of Prophecies/Factions.
It is very possible that NCSoft is supplying all the bandwidth as they are already running multiple mmorpgs, so what is another one tossed into the pile?

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by AeroLion
How are they being greedy? Because you want extra slots but aren't willing to pay for them? Hey, guess what? You don't need extra slots! Buying them won't make you any better than anyone else at the game. It's not like you're able to buy an uber-sword of uberness for an extra $30. This is an option for people that want to have all primaries without having to buy a new account. That's all.

It's something that was wholeheartedly asked for by the Guild Wars community. Look in the Factions forum. There's a huge thread about it in there. So please, forgive Anet for listening to their customers and giving them exactly what they asked for.

EDIT: Also, I can't be the only one that's utterly dumbfounded that this is causing as much controversy as it has.
Bet you if when you merged factions with current guild wars and got a total of 8 slots and more storage you'd hardly hear a single peep about being able to buy more character slots.

Sunai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imaginos
Bet you if when you merged factions with current guild wars and got a total of 8 slots and more storage you'd hardly hear a single peep about being able to buy more character slots.
Hardly, though it might stop them for a while. Then people will start talking about the next campaign, and how they need new character slots because they don't have any free ones left. And how they need more storage because they're packrats and can't fit many new items in their inventories.

Hello campaign 4, and my 16 character slots!!

Daemon Dremora

Daemon Dremora

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Millington, TN

Seele Erntemaschine {Nein}

Wow....... this has stirred up quite the controversy hasn't it. i cant believe this many ppl would complain about something that is so great. Anet has given us nothing but the best, i mean i have never enjoyed a game as much as i have enjoyed gw. i remember when i first hit lvl 20 with my first char i was so friggin happy. then i beat the game and again i was friggin happy. happier then i have ever been apon the completion of a game. and i am sure many others were too. and now some of you are going to complain about something that we the gw players have asked for. wow some ppl out there are either really cheap and dont want to pay someone for something they dont have to give us and make us go buy a new account. or they all just need something to whine about. i cant remember who said it but someone on the gwg staff needs to think about making a whining forum. (thnx to whoever came up with that idea). its the best idea i have ever heard of. well i am done ranting and i hope some ppl here are done complaining about something that the good ppl of anet are giving their customers because the customers asked for it.

Omega X

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imaginos
For all we know Anet/GW is a write off for NCSoft.
Not possible. NC Soft charges for the software. Whether they charge a fee or not, it doesn't qualify. Now if NC Soft gave away Guild Wars it would be a different story.

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
^_^ Hilarious.
I am already laughing at the GW's not so great performance in many markets.

While Asia gets some fun stuff, ANet is milking Eu and Am.

The jokes on us.

lord_shar

lord_shar

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

near SF, CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
I am already laughing at the GW's not so great performance in many markets.

While Asia gets some fun stuff, ANet is milking Eu and Am.

The jokes on us.
This post made no sense... can someone please elaborate?

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by SisterMercy
Especially since they announced it before everyone bought Factions, rather than after.
Well as I see it, if they waited till after factions people would get very p**sed if they didnt merge their accounts then figured out that they couldve bought more character slots.

Guardian of the Light

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

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I bet Anet is confused if some of you don't like this.

Group of Players A: Can we buy more character slots.
Anet: You know what I GET IT TO YOIU BY SUMMER!
Group of Players B: NNNNOOOO PPPPPLLLL WILL HAVE OVERPOWERED ACCOUNTSSS!!! !!!!!!!!
Anet: WTF? Huh? What do you guys want?

Edge Martinez

Edge Martinez

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

NC

DKL

Nothing changes for me. I have 2 Prophecy accounts. I will have 2 Factions accounts attached to each Prophecy account. God forbid I lose one account for any of the many reasons you can, I'll still have another.

Still, this move just goes to show you that A-Net listens to its customers. Good job.

ectomorpheus

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Royal Knights Templar

W/Mo

Will there be a limit on the number of characters you can purchase?

ectomorpheus

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Royal Knights Templar

W/Mo

I think the idea of purchasing extra character slots is awsome, 10 bucks sounds reasonable enough to me also. I am still jonesing over the fact that I dont have to pay a monthly fee, and I am having fun playing witch is the whole point of it all.... having fun.

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaniera
My question is, have you ever done it before? From what I've read, it seems like the GW client checks not only for a pre-installed version of itself, but also if you try to run it twice it checks to see if it's already running. Therefore, you would have to change the name of the process to make sure it doesn't see itself. I have not, however, done this myself, I'm talking only from stuff I've read, so feel free to tell me that you've done it differently.
Hmm no idea if the client actually checks to see if it is running already in memory from a second copy, or if it can differentiate from a second copy. Seeing as I don't have a second copy I can't really check

Don Zardeone

Don Zardeone

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

I'm buyin 3, maybe 4
woooooo

edit: I didn't feel like reading all that stuff

why are people complaining?

Blitzy

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Destiny Forsaken

Mo/W

About time, but I don't understand why they didn't do this months ago to make some cash, as now people will just wait until factions anyway. Of course, they might be needed in future, but still.

DFrost

DFrost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Ultima Thule

Legacy of Echovald [Echo]

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This community is really hard to please. SF update was "dull and late", wintersday event was "too short, boring quests too". And those were free updates which ANet had no obligation to do. Sometimes I think people have been spoiled by the active updates and lack of monthly fee. They want it all, they want it now, and they want it for free.

This feature is 100% optional and requested by the community. If you don't want to spend $9.99 on it, fine, play with your current slots. But why fart in ANet's general direction for providing something that a lot of people wanted? Because it's not free? Contrary to popular belief they aren't running a charity here.

Xaniera

Xaniera

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

The U.S. of A.

NuDE

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imaginos
Hmm no idea if the client actually checks to see if it is running already in memory from a second copy, or if it can differentiate from a second copy. Seeing as I don't have a second copy I can't really check
All that's on the CD is the client, copy-burned onto every CD they make. There shouldn't be any difference in copies. It's getting a bit late for me, I'll see about running 2 copies without hex editing tomorrow. Just for grins and giggles, I might even borrow my brother's CD and install it to a different directory, if it'll let me install twice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DFrost
This community is really hard to please. SF update was "dull and late", wintersday event was "too short, boring quests too". And those were free updates which ANet had no obligation to do. Sometimes I think people have been spoiled by the active updates and lack of monthly fee. They want it all, they want it now, and they want it for free.

This feature is 100% optional and requested by the community. If you don't want to spend $9.99 on it, fine, play with your current slots. But why fart in ANet's general direction for providing something that a lot of people wanted? Because it's not free? Contrary to popular belief they aren't running a charity here.
You're exactly right, and yet people still think ANet owes them freebies. It's rather sad, actually.

Corth

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Sentinels of Eternal Souls

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What I really don't understand are the people saying that A.net is ripping off returning customers with the merging of accounts.

So for all you necro's in Cantha who can't find a group cause they want a spiteful spirit nec, I'll just laugh at you and join the group in your place.

Chapter 1=
chapter 1 story
chapter 1 locations
chapter 1 skills
chapter 1 weapon skins
chapter 1 armors

Chapter 2=
chapter 2 story
chapter 2 locations
chapter 2 skills
chapter 2 weapon skins
chapter 2 armors

You know what both games come with? The hard work and dedication from the best VG team on the planet. My hat is off to Arena.net, thank you for this great game and the continued updates.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

I think it's great that they are implementing player community ideas. It definately shows that they not only listen, but that the game is becomming "for gamers, by gamers"!

Aside from that, I think $10 for ONE slot is just too much for my tastes. I didn't like that idea when it was tossed around the forums, and I don't like it now. Then again, I never complained about slots, and will more than likely not buy any, but that's just me. It's great that there's an option.

Offering more stuff like this for a nominal fee is a decent idea, as long as it doesn't go overboard. There should never be an extra charge for a blantant advantage over other players. What they've done with the CE, special editions, and preorders are all within the acceptable, non-advantage area. Keep up with that, people like to spend money on perks.

Fantus

Fantus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

We asked for it, Anet gave it to us. Thanks for listening to your players, Anet! Finally I can move all my chars to one account and stop that time consuming and tiresome moving of items between accounts. Woot!

By the way, I would also like to express my support for the idea to add one more row of storage space for every slot purchased. Maybe you guys could consider that idea...

To the whiners complaining about the price: It's free market. Buy or don't buy , the decision is yours. But stop that stupid whining, thank you! You can safely assume that Anet set that price according to what a significant portion of their target audience is willing to pay (ALL prices are made that way). If you don't need more slots, fine, it's not your problem anyway, then. If you are not willing to pay that price for a slot, that's your decision. I am not willing to pay the price for a Ferrari, but I don't write whine-mails to them, too. I look at that car, I wonder how anyone could ever be willing to shell out that much money for a car, but that's it. Obviously they have enough people paying their prices to keep them in business...

Of course I would have liked to pay only $5 per slot and not $10, too. Of course I would have prefered to have gotten 10 more slots for FREE. Wouldn't we all? Unfortunately it's not the way the economy works, so get over it.