Special pet for CE owners

Believe it or not, I did However, as you referenced dances and presents, I thought the point was worth bringing up again (for those who may not have read the whole thing). As re-iterated by Roku, I think it should entail the entire CE package, both in-game goodies and real life. So in effect, I was just agreeing with you and adding a little extra. Now if only I worked at Anet and could figure out a way to make this happen

<checks to see if Gaile's reading this thread> Nope, Crud!

nvm just read the gaile chat log that said they aren't customized

I think you get 1 minipet per account, and which ever character you logged in first gets the pet, but since it's not customized, you can put the minipet in the storage and let your other characters take it.

It is tradeable too!

Here, from www.guildwars.com:

So, no, you won't get 4-6 mini-dragons. Only one.

And at least one of our questions as to why are these guys having such a spazz over something like this is solved!

We burned ourselves out to get the CE it was my special gift from my husband for my anniversary - we preordered and everything and were put on hold and told NOTHING - the gaming stores we called for info told us NOTHING
for DAYS we didnt know if we would ever get ours and then we get word that not till June 30 for most people and suddenly we are all WTF!

So yes after days of spazzing and calling and begging for info and getting nowhere I will take my pet Bob and love him. If you want a pet of your own you should have stuck with the collectors edition and who is to say its not for just those that preordered?

Either way for my waiting just the same as if I had made a character and come back to it after all this time to find a B-day present - WE EARNED IT!

And as for moving it to other characters it is obvious YOU cannot read - for Redly said, what if I want to loan it to a guildie to play with as well? And you didn't account for second accounts.

I personally have THREE accounts, and my CE is coming in for the acount that is NOT Lady Eviance and I would like it to be on Lady Eviance.... Soooo again you think through what you have to say more clearly PLUS give me an example of something that doesnt say customized that cannot be sold?

(yes I know customized stuff can be sold to others but that is also called SCAMMING which I dont do!)


and most important is people who think that others don't deserve more because they shelled out the extra and waited. Dude did you SEE the backup dancers? I would GIVE them away if I could.... not all that great!


(And in order for Redly and I to even GET our CE we had to drive an hour to order it -_- Even if I didn't have a CE I would be greatful that Anet did something like this for them - they deserve it!)

God my bloodpressure is not liking this >_<

So, the same thing that happened with the Tengu Mask, then? I thought it was unfair then as well.

Well, they're also armor. Armor is customized to the player who crafts/gets it. Though it sucks, it makes sense.

Candy Canes remove DP. They'd still remove DP if they weren't sellable. That's what I meant when I said they had a use.

Is that what A-Net said? If it is, please show me. I thought the Minipets to reward characters who were a year old. Like I've already said, I'll get mine later. People who don't shell out the money to buy the CE don't have a chance to get the new pets without buying them.

I meant Customization literally, as in "Customized for (player name)." I made that pretty clear in one of my earlier posts.

I wasn't too happy with de way everything went for CE.. eg. delays, crappy events etc..

But I am finally appeased when anet announced that as a token of appreciation u'll get a pet. I wanted a bone dragon (is there a glint pet? ) .. but its too expensive.. but meh.. i'll take a real dragon any time...

I wonder will it fly like de actual phoenix pet..


Now, i guess i'll really b happy if anet changes 4+4+4 v 4+4+4 back to 12 v 12.

3 words.

Thank. You. Anet.

/still waiting for mine...xD.

I was only replying to the part I bolded. It wouldn't have made sense to only quote that sentence.

I'm not sure I understand your problem. The only benefit to adding a CE key was to get the dancers, and if you don't like them, why couldn't you add it to the account that you want the pet for?

It's only scamming if the person who's getting the items thinks they're getting something they can use. There's a big warning now if you're about to trade for a customized item.

So, I understand you didn't buy the CE for the stuff that made that CE costs more. That doesn't mean it didn't cost more for A-Net to make it. And you're telling me I'm not thinking?

You're not the only people who had to drive to pre-order/buy the game, so don't even think that's a valid excuse.

I think you need to check yourself before coming at me. I never accused anyone of not reading. That being said, I am now, and it is YOU who need to read before you jump on your pedastal and start railing on ppl. The rest of your post I won't even bother with as agent has already addressed it. I've said my piece and I hope for your sake you're not one of those ppl waiting until June 30 bc if you are it's going to be a LONG time for just a dragon.

That Friday, I had work, then had to head to Rutgers for a 7 pm call, for an 8 pm curtain of the show I recently performed in. I missed the entire event for the Tengu Mask. I had 245 Naga Fangs, apparently. Do you see me pissed off about missing it, though, and demanding recompense? No, because I had better things to do (a theatre production, then drinks with the tech crew at a local pub) than sit around in a crowded town and get a mask for a whole bunch of little trinkets.

Armor only in the sense that people wear it. The fact that people wear it does not mean it has to be Customized.

And another thing about calling them Armor...they had no AL, going out in it was almost certain death (because surprisingly, the head piece does matter! lol), and generally, starter gear was better than the Pumpkin Crown. Hell, you could wear nothing at all and have the same rough time as if you were wearing the Crown. The Pumpkin Crown and Santa Hat were barely Armor. In fact, I wouldn't even consider them Armor in the first place.

That's not much of a use, though, because let's consider, for a moment, if the Candy Canes were Customized, or at least Non-transferable. The following scenario:

Player A has 75 Candy Canes. His guildie, Player B, only had 1, and he's used it already.

During any single PvE mission, no character will ever need to use more than 2 Candy Canes. Player A is perfectly fine, but Player B's DP has worked back up to 40%. Let's say they're having a rough time doing Ring of Fire.

Under a Non-transferable system, Player A's 75 Candy Canes are useless to both Player A and Player B. Player A doesn't need a Candy Cane, and Player B needs one, but can't get one from Player A, due to the Non-transferable system.

But under the Transferable system we have for the Candy Canes, Player A's Candy Canes are incredibly useful, and that usefulness is entirely dependent on the fact that Candy Canes are Transferable.

They follow you around. You can "call" them. You can trade them. You can sell them. You can collect them. ANet hasn't come out and said it, but do you honestly believe the intent wasn't at all Pokemon-esque, especially when all things are considered? Just think about it.

And it looks like they're transferable, anyway. A total collect/trade Pokemon type of approach with them.

Whoa, whoa, whoa....what is this.....do I believe what I'm reading? Are you...yes. Yes, you are...

You're saying that the CE Minipet is unfair because people who didn't pre-order/buy/whatever the CE don't have a chance to get the new pets...pets that were released solely for those who had pre-ordered/bought/whatever the CE.

If that really is what you're saying, then ANet themselves just punched a huge hole in your entire argument. The CE Minipets are available to everyone. To those who purchase the CE, the Minipet is there immediately. To those who didn't purchase the CE, they can buy them in-game (or get them for free, if the CEr is a friend).

Either way, those people are still able to buy and are still buying the Minipets, because they can either go with the CE itself, or they can get it from a CEr, in-game. And that is the entire purpose behind making the CE pets transferable between players: so the trade/collection system of the Minipet is not limited.

I think that's the end of your argument, don't you think so? Other people, what do you think?

Yeah, but as far as I'm concerned, if you're arguing that items should be non-transferable, you're arguing for an Account-wide Customization. There's really no way around that, man. You tell me such and such an item should not be able to be transferred between two different players, I'm going to call a spade a spade and tell you you're advocating Customization...and Customization to an awful, extreme extent, to boot.

In a nutshell, we're happy you're happy. Delays are frustrating to all of us, but we so value your patience and your kind support, and this gift is a way for us to show it.

As a fan, and a player, I think it's beyond good, it's grrrrreat!

Either you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying, or you're just grasping at straws and will say whatever you can just to keep this argument going. I don't care. I'm out.

Don't let the door hit you on the backside. I completely understand what it is you're trying to say here, but it's a flimsy argument you're making. The fact that in my previous reply I twisted nearly everything you had said previously and turned it all completely against you is testament to how flawed your reasoning is.

You put your foot in your mouth by over-extending your argument, and you got caught (especially regarding the CE Minipet points). Instead of accusing me of grasping at straws, or completely misunderstanding what you're (trying) to say, why not just admit that your entire argument just collapsed on itself?

Because I'm certainly not misunderstanding anything and/or grasping at straws when I can so easily twist your entire reply around and get it to say what I want it to say. When someone can do that, that's the sign of someone else posting an absolutely weak argument that's supported by absolutely weak reasoning behind it.

If you had as strong a case as your bark implied, your case wouldn't have just fallen apart like it did, and I sure as hell wouldn't have been able to twist your words around like I did. lol

Because think about what you were saying regarding the CE Minipets. You're taking issue with the fact that the only way non-CErs can get that CE Minipet is by buying them, but yet the CE Minipet was released for the CE itself, and even then...exceptions were made so that the RE players can still get their hands on them.

And that's just an absurd argument to make. It basically boils down to "The CE players have something that other players don't have, so other players have to buy it, and that's not fair." But what happens when that something is a perk added for the CErs? And then that perk is transferable, so it's not limited?

The CE Minipets were added because of the CE delay. But why shouldn't the CE Minipet function like the B-day Minipets?

CErs can keep their CE Minipets if they want. Or they can give it to a friend if they want. Or they can sell it if they want. Or they can trade it if they want. What's the problem there? It's players having options and freedoms to do what they want.

Gaile, did you see my post?

Why do I feel like a 2 year old clammering for attention? But seriously... are the dev's giving any thought to an upgrade package for $20-$30 that will essentially turn your normal version of Factions into a CE???

First of all, thank you A-Net, I appreciate the fact that you know that you have upset customers and are trying to settle the anger and the fact that so many people are upset in hopes to cover the wound a little. Now it’s time for you to ship those CE’s out, so that we may join some of our friends and family who are already playing who have patiently been waiting for us.

I am excited about the mini-pet, I have been checking my oldest character every day in hopes of hitting the 12 month mark. Right now, my monk is at 11 months. So when I read that I will get one with the CE… my first thought was “GREAT!” but then I thought “I hope they aren’t doing this because I am going to be delayed another month”.

I almost feel guilty for taking such great news and turning it into negativity. I can’t speak for anyone else…. But you have to understand what we (or I) have been though. Phone call after phone call to many places, checking the status of our orders every couple hours on the web, going to the main Guild Wars website in hopes of a glimmer of when we will receive our CE. Then, when we did get news, it was vague and unclear.

Yep, its only a game… yep, its not real life. But for my wife and me, it’s a hobby. We felt a sinking feeling in our stomach getting an email ONE day before we were supposed to have the box in our hands. That sinking feeling grew when the clock countdown on the GW website said “NOW LIVE!”.

Then we read the forums and found out people were getting keys by calling gamestop… That was great! We tried to forget the fact that we never got our special mask, or the fact that we missed the first day of factions. We called… the reply… “Sorry, the keys were on a first come first serve basis.” Sinking feeling was back.

Wife called again the next day, We got a key! I hurried home from work, teamed up, and we started playing our new factions chars. I forgave A-net. They fixed what they messed up (minus the first day, and the collectors masks). We would be able to play until our CE was at our door step.

I get home Tuesday, click on my character and…. “Factions will be released on April 28th.” Sinking Feeling back again.

Now, we get mini-pets… we can’t play yet, but we get them. Sure, everyone will eventually get a mini-pet. But we get our pets a little earlier.

DO NOT give me that sinking feeling again!

For those of you who couldn’t wait for the CE, and went out and bought Factions… I feel for you. I can imagine how you must feel. Rest assured though… you will get a mini-pet eventually. And I don’t blame anyone who cancelled the CE… I almost did it several times (and will cancel if its not here by Monday).

Thank you again A-Net… I am venting a little. I am happy about the mini-pets. But, what I really want is my CE. Plan a little better next time and don’t underestimate your fans, we are what makes GW popular.

"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position."

You just admitted to doing exactly that.

This is a better thank-you than I ever could have hoped for. Better than having all of the pets. Forget the Shaman, I'm getting Kuunavang. Gaile, tell your coworkers I love them.

Kuunavang?! You say Kuunavang!? THE KUUNAVANG!!! *screams*

OMG!!!! This is sooooooooooooooo worth the wait!!!!!

*sings* Flying pet for me~~ Walking pets for you~~~ *points*

Muwahahahahahahaha~~~

*faints*

Wow. All for the sake of consumer relations.

It's all good though. I was going to get CE. I was unhapy with the delay, but not devastated, cnsidering I DO have exams until the Monday after it (the CE) is released.

Oh, Straw Man! I'm so scared. I don't care about the Straw Man fallacy, because let's see what you said previously:

If those people didn't buy the CE, they're not going to get the "new" pets, because the "new" pets are for the CE. And thus, the only way to get a CE Pet is either buying the CE itself, or going through a CE player.

How is that a problem? What issue do you have with that? Would you rather the CErs have no options and freedoms regarding what they can do with their CE Pet? Would you prefer that no "regular" player is ever able to get the CE Pet? Would you prefer that all players, regardless of "regular" or CE, have the CE Pet?

What are you trying to get at? You're saying it's a bad thing when other non-CE players can't acquire the CE Pet without buying it, but they didn't order the CE, so they wouldn't have the CE Pet in the first place, so why do you think it's logically proper to complain about that, when there's really nothing to complain about in the first place?

"Other players don't have the CE Pets because they didn't get the CE and then have to buy them, so therefore it's not right" is precisely what you're saying, and it's a load of rubbish, because nobody was holding a gun to those players' heads and forced them to buy the Standard Edition, the CE Pets were added so that the CE players who stuck it out would have a token of appreciation, and buying the CE Pet in-game certainly isn't the only option available.

Some players are going to price-gouge the shit out of their CE Pet, I don't doubt that for a second. But price-gouging the shit out of things happens all the time in Guild Wars, so I don't think it's all that valid a criticism to throw around here. Price-gouging is pretty much a given these days, because a lot of the Guild Wars players are complete assholes when it comes to pricing.

The price-gouging is already happening with the B-day Pets, and as far as I can tell...the pet distribution is random. Some get Devourers while some get Necrid Horsemen, while some get Rurik or Charr Shamans. So even then, to get a specific Minipet, if one doesn't open the present and find it, one is going to have to buy it from someone else, which is exactly similar to the CE Pet:

Everyone is not going to get a Mini-Rurik, just like everyone is not going to get a Mini-CE.

Each Mini-Pet is limited, depending on how you look at things.

I really don't get you guys. People were complaining that CE was delayed and they wouldn't have access to factions for a month without buying a regular copy. That's A.Net's fault, pure and simple. Now they want make up for it by giving people who bought/buying/waiting for CE a mini dragon pet. Be happy that they're giving people that at all. They could give them nothing and be done with it. I'm not trying to rant at people, but be careful what you wish for. We have a great company that cares about the community here. They are doing innovative stuff and giving us nice suprises here and there.

Sell it, Im sure you could get well over 100k for it!

As for your cards idea... you want them to hold up shipping and production further to give out a playing card... that would just piss people off...


LMAO

Just as the people who has the birthday presents for their 1 year characters. What's the big difference? Yes, we all will or at least we're suppose to get them after our character reaches 1 year old. But wouldn't it mean that those who got the game early and already gotten their pets has a huge advantage in selling them in game now and those who'll get them later on this year will get something that may be almost worthless since almost everyone got one by now? Or if they created 4 characters, everyone's gotten 4 by now? Why complain about 1 and not the other?

I would like this to be the case too. I don't mind paying the extra $20-30 to turn the normal version to CE. All I need is the key. They can keep the other useless portion of the package. I know, it costs money to make, but I'm sure marketing the game costs way more than the materials or whatever extra goodies they throw into the box.

I don't understand how Agentnull's argument with everyone here has been able to go on for so long, since he is 100% correct and all his ideas are completely what should happen.

People who waited should be rewarded, yes, and Anet has decided that this reward should be an exclusive mini-pet. Great. Wonderful, totally tubular. The problem is that they are tradeable, as he has said numerous times. He is not saying that the pets shouldn't exist, he is not saying that patience shouldn't be rewarded and that Anet shouldn't attempt to douse the flames that are the CE release. All he is saying is that people who receive them on their accounts should not be able to sell them to others for in-game gold...

...which makes perfect sense. Yes, you should be able to trade them between characters on your account. Just like preorder items. Yes, you should be able to show off your awesomely cool pet. What you shouldn't be able to do is gain an unfair economic advantage within the game (and, if you are an unscrupulous sort, in dollars), just because Anet wants to sincerely apologize to you. If the preorder weapons you receive were completely godly, it would barely touch the economy...and not because you could sell it to others for in-game gold (since you can't), but only because it would take yourself out of the market for whatever the item was. Such should be the same for these bonus items.

The only way to argue against this change is to either:

A) Want to sell it for mega gold or cashola, or

B) Like someone said, having the ability to let people 'borrow' it

C) Who cares???? I want to keep it anyway!!!

Point A I won't even touch, since it's somewhat circular to do so. Point B also isn't worth countering, because having that ability would not provide anywhere close the benefit to the community as making them tradeable would hurt it. Point C's ability will always be there, so who cares about point C.

So...please stop arguing with him. You are either not understanding what he is suggesting, or are interesting in Option A.

The B-day Minipets are being sold for absurd amounts of gold, even though people can wait a year and get them. Does it being guaranteed to everyone stop anything? No. The High-End forum keeps embarrassing itself. lol. When there's a buyer, there's a market. That's held true for everything in the game so far, when anything new has been introduced. Fundamentally, the Mini-pets are no different than Greens. So why treat the Mini-pets (or the CE Pet) differently?

Because the Greens can be acquired by anyone? Ignoring the fact that we both know the debate we could open up there, I'd say that the B-day Pets can be acquired by anyone (and it's guaranteed), and the CE Pets, by being opened up to the market, are now open to everyone, albeit at higher costs.

One may counter that with "Due to the higher costs, they're not open to everyone."

And I'll say to that "Well, Mini-Ruriks aren't open to everyone, either, and yet I'm seeing nobody criticizing Mini-Rurik, especially given the basis for the criticisms leveled against the CE Pets."

I'm understanding him perfectly fine. It's just that his argument is absolute rubbish, and is making a mountain out of a mole-hill, because

One, the CErs will only sell if they don't want to keep the CE Pet as a memento (and really, based on the insanity surrounding the production of CE, I doubt most are going to part with it, for sentimental reasons);

Two, if they do decide to sell, they're either going to price-gouge the shit out of it, or if they're decent human beings (like Yours Truly), they'll let it go for nothing or close-to-nothing;

And three, those who do offer to buy it will create the same kind of situation we saw with just about everything in this game's economy, so pointing to economic concerns at this point is completely moot and almost downright useless, because many of the players in-game are complete douchebags.

And let's not forget a critically important point here: that selling in-game is a transaction of fake money...of digital currency. Which doesn't matter at all--or at least shouldn't matter at all to the degree it's mattering to agentnull and yourself. More and more, I'm tempted to reply with "Who the hell cares" when I keep seeing the "should not be able to sell them to others for in-game gold..." response. Because that "should not be able to" argument is basically missing the point of having fun items in the game.

I heir on the side of account-locked, like not customized, but like pre-order items, you can't put it in a trade screen. The real issue is not just this, but the whole mini-pet idea in general. Of course you can't take it away with all these people getting attatched to it and shit, but think about it...a Lvl 20 Wammo who aggroes everything and plays like an idiot, BUT has played on and off for 12 months. Then, he comes back one day and sees a present! He opens it and sees a Rurik! On his other character, his n00b monk who he tries to get into groups as a Healer, but is really a smiter is also at 12 months. This character by some amazing fortune gets a Bone Dragon, and so on (finding it on other chars, or possibly mule accounts)...A guy could be the greatest n00b, but if he sold it on the first day...BAM! Millionaire (if you sold it to the right people or had a few).

Also, the CE minipet is like a really rare thing. Only the CE buyers get it and it's not like a bunch of people are going to buy these afterwards. It's going to be a market with steady supply, but really high demand. EVERYONE wants a RARE n00b haxx0r pwnzor dragon (/sarcasm). But seriously, people WILL want it and then people can start going, do I hear 100k+1750 (max in trade screen)? I can definitely see these going Mil+ cuz unlike B-Day presents, people aren't getting it/having it every single day. These are rarer in general because everyone that plays GW has a birthday (at least I think they do), yet way less than like 1/4 probably ordered the CE.

All in all, I support agentnull's prospect. Let it be account based, untradeable in the screen, but accessable by all your characters by storage.

BTW, all that want to pay $20-30 for the CE now...Why would the offer that? Maybe a little extra money, but a little contridactory. After all, this is a patience reward. Whoever said it's for people that cancel cuz of the ten day wait, but then want it again cuz of Kunvang or what ever the hell his goddamn name is. The reward is for patience, but I still don't think your oh-so sad plight of not getting to play Factions for like a week is worth 1 Mil+, which is probably what people will value it at.

If I bought the plain copy from EB games, and decide that I want the mini-pet being offered with CE versions, will I be able to return it for a refund? Because of the access key card being ripped open already, I'm not sure if they will take it back. Anyone know?

Mini-Rurik > all other miniatures

For ascalon, beetches!
























If you actually think about it, if this miniature comes with every CE edition then they arent going to be rare one bit, there appears to be alot of people that are going to buy the CE which means the flocks of Kunnvang (or however its spelled) dragons will flood outposts everywhere. Where as the mini pets you obtain through a characters birthday reward are random, some more rarer than others, so people who think that the floating dragon will go off the charts in the market you are sadly mistaken.

I don't think anyone is arguing about fairness, they all don't mind them getting the item. Some just feel they should be able to sell it to others, and some feel they shouldnt o_0. And as an FYI, I don't think any mini-pet should be sellable.

Thank you ANET, this is an excellent gift for those of us that are still waiting to get back into Factions.

so i have CE howcome i dont have anything ?

Ouch.

Read the actual announcement by A-Net, it says "within the next 10 days".

Just laughing over here... and wanted to say again, "Thank you ANet for doing more than you had to.", even though I only buy the regular editions. At least some people got a little something extra, and I'm happy for them.

Considering all the other delayed games I've lived through with nothing to show for it, I think the gesture was wonderful.

Keep it up

yeah soz just woke up

Unfortunately I am not so optimistic. They are a business. Including the CE pet is an action to appease the mass of gloomy CE pre-orderers. Here is what they are thinking:

[P1]:"Geez, the community is really down about the CE delay."
[P2]:"Yeah I know. We should do something before CH3 arrives, because it is only 6 months away, and they will obviously remember this, and less people will buy the CE edition of CH3! We will lose profits, oh noes!"
[P1]:"I know! We can give all the people with the CE a pet! Now they will surely buy it!"


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Selling these pets can be an alternative to buying eBay gold. The price difference from the standard and CE edition is $20. So if you were planning to buy the game anyway, you can buy the CE edition for an extra $20, and sell the CE pet in-game. $20 to buy eBay gold will net you approx. 300p GW money. I have no idea how much you can sell the CE pet for, but if you can get 300p, well then that is a nice profit. This is an alternative to the CE pet. Please note I don't have an opinion on the topic of selling or not selling these pets. The above is just an observation. Obviously they[ANET] will make more money from people buying the CE edition.

Glad I got CE in the end afterall, yes I already have my copy hehe

Now I wondering if only one of my characters will get this (As in the first one I log in with once its active?) or will all of them get one?

Needless to say, I'm pleased, the rewards and benefits of having CE this time around is great.

Can someone please post a screenshot of the Dragon we will be getting. I read that it spawned in town durring the last hour of the FPE, and I wanted to know what it looked like because I missed it. =]