Elite Missions Too Restricted: Please Sign this Petition! Every vote counts!

SpaceGh057

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 15:57 - 81
/signed

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellprowler
First off, suggesting to Anet to make it more fair without an actual legitimate solution (no Favor solution is not an actual solution), is not productive at all.
How about back to the favor system, which, although bitched about, makes perfect sense, in my opinion...
Guild Wars, just the name says "PvP"

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellprowler
Second off, you paid for Factions content yes, but you never paid for the Elite missions, you paid for the potential to access those Elite Missions (thanks Sekkira I stole your quote <3).
Yes, paying for Factions content is the same as paying for elite missions, tell me how this isn't so.
When you buy a game, you pay the developers to be given access to their product. As Factions is the product, you have paid to play the elite missions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellprowler
If I was a Taiwanese player in prophecies, would I cry "zomg I can't access FoW and UW I DESERVE TO ACCESS THEM WHAAAA"? No I wouldn't.
This sort of whining has been around since the FPE...
There isn't any reason behind, just bitching...

But, unfortunately, the two coincide...it is a good comparision, but, slightly off, in my opinion.
However, this one, people get access for PvPing, where in Factions, most people will never get the ability to play in the elite missions.

aron searle

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 15:58 - 82
Signed.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Rukmedes
Now, allowing everyone to compete in these missions would make the name "Elite missions" totally retarded, kind of like you.

SoumaAyame

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

05 May 2006 at 16:08 - 83
Please don't buy this game if you aren't willing to compete in it.

Divinus Stella

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

05 May 2006 at 16:13 - 84
/signed

I dont want to be part of a massive grind faction farming lemming alliance, but i also want to play the high level areas.

Rogier

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

[GoT]

05 May 2006 at 16:20 - 85
/signed

IGN: monkie mens
region: europe
age: 14
guild: DD

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

05 May 2006 at 16:26 - 86
/signed

I knew this was going to be aq bad idea and posted as such a long time ago. Please make the access less restricted. The top two alliances only? Come on. It would be better to set a faction cap on the missions and allow any alliance with such and such amount of faction to access the missions.

hellprowler

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Looking for Casual GvG one that wants a monk

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 16:27 - 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceGh057
How about back to the favor system, which, although bitched about, makes perfect sense, in my opinion...
Guild Wars, just the name says "PvP"
It doesn't really, if people want access to elite PvE lands, then shouldn't the logical choice be to unlock it somehow during PvE? I think the current solution is a great way, PvE and PvP, two possible ways to unlock the elite missions.

Quote:
Yes, paying for Factions content is the same as paying for elite missions, tell me how this isn't so.
When you buy a game, you pay the developers to be given access to their product. As Factions is the product, you have paid to play the elite missions.
So back to the Taiwanese player, since I paid for Prophecies, I paid to play FoW and UW then? So I have the right to bitch to ANet because no one in my region is good enough to hold Halls? No I don't have that right, and neither do you people. (I'm not actually a Taiwanese player, just clarifying that)

Quote:
This sort of whining has been around since the FPE...
There isn't any reason behind, just bitching...

But, unfortunately, the two coincide...it is a good comparision, but, slightly off, in my opinion.
However, this one, people get access for PvPing, where in Factions, most people will never get the ability to play in the elite missions.
Rukmedes post covers this point. The purpose of Elite missions is not for EVERYONE to play them, simple as that.

qwe4rty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Texas

Brewed to Perfection [BtP]

05 May 2006 at 16:29 - 88
Aren't yall missing content by not PvPing?

Six String Samurai

Six String Samurai

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2005

Seattle Wa

The Lotus Alliance

05 May 2006 at 16:33 - 89
Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, I post this as the leader of The Lotus Alliance. We have held house zu heltzer for only 2 days thus far...and in my honest opinion we have no problem with taking it back and holding it again.

To any and all that ask we will make the kurzick elite mission, Urgoz's Warden, open to all who request it from us on our forums.

As for changing how they work...I enjoy the way they are...but I offer this as an option to everyone none the less.

heaven

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

05 May 2006 at 16:39 - 90
/signed

To all players who want to keep elite missions the way it is now, don't post in here. Go make your own petition thread please. Your voice will be heard more cloud and clear.

KESKI

KESKI

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/

05 May 2006 at 16:40 - 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceGh057
Yes, paying for Factions content is the same as paying for elite missions, tell me how this isn't so.
When you buy a game, you pay the developers to be given access to their product. As Factions is the product, you have paid to play the elite missions.
Its not like you pay and you cant get in, its more like you pay, but you need to be permit to get in.
Its like go to a amusement park when you are a child, I remeber how pissed I was when I found out I am too short for the ride, but am I against it?? No, cause its safty, it did force me into drinking milk.
If you want a pcgame example, howabout Diablo 2?? If you dont have the attribut, you cant equipe the item. I dont know about you, but I never see any player there jump up and say "XXXX Blizzard"
If you played pso, they set limit to the difficulty you can get in. Ultimate difficulty is lv 80, I believe.
I dont see any problem with that.

No, my guild is no where near those guilds that hold the Elite missions, and I have no friend in those guild, and I want to enter those map too.

I would agree if you ask for reset period, or some other system that make elite mission less about grinding, but I stand for my opinion that Elite Mission should not be a give away.

fb2000

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

05 May 2006 at 16:43 - 92
why i understand why people are angry and bitch, im sure than most of u havent beaten factions yet, and you just heard something about elite missions and how u need to be in some leet alliance in order to enter..

well, why dont you people just play the game, get a friend from that alliance and enter with him/her now and then.. if you cant, you can always pay some bucks and do the same.

if everyone had access to them, they wouldnt be elite would they...

felinette

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

Me/

05 May 2006 at 16:44 - 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwe4rty
Aren't yall missing content by not PvPing?
We can PvP if we want to. With the elite missions, we may not have that choice. Good to see the alliances are letting people do them, but all it'll take is one elitist bastard for that to change.

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 16:44 - 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rukmedes
Getting the title "Elite" or whatever you need to enter these gay missions, takes a bit of time. And, gasp, some skill! I know most of you don't have skill, but come on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hellprowler
Rukmedes post covers this point. The purpose of Elite missions is not for EVERYONE to play them, simple as that.


So, we can conclude that skill equals with belonging to an zerg-alliance that can grind most faction in shortest times and hold the 'elite'. So this zerg grinding makes you 'elite'?

Okay.

Renegade ++RIP++

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

05 May 2006 at 16:46 - 95
/signed

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

05 May 2006 at 16:51 - 96
I'm sorry, wasn't this thread only for those who AGREE? There are plenty of other threads for people who disagree, even though they're wrong.

Mod, Please delete the post of every person who has dishonored the request of the OP and brought the arguement into this thread too. Let it just be a petition thread as it was meant to be.

"I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

Ken Dei
Ken Dei
Tyria>>Cantha
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Knights of the Trinity (KOTT)

jgortner

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Saints of Sin

W/Mo

05 May 2006 at 16:52 - 97
Guys,

This is not a dicussion thread. Please either /sign with info (or without) or not. Do not use this thead to dicuss this topic. Only to sign if you approve.

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 16:54 - 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Dei
I'm sorry, wan't this thread only for those who AGREE? There are plenty of other threads for people who disagree, even though they're wrong.

Mod, Please delete the post of every person who has dishonored the request of the OP and brought the arguement into this thread too. Let it just be a petition thread as it was meant to be.

"I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."
As much as I agree with the people disagreeing being wrong on this topic, this still is a DISCUSSION forum, not an online petition system with hotline to Anet offices.

The whole '/signed' culture here is stupid in my opinion, but whatever..

kriuq

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/N

05 May 2006 at 16:56 - 99
A petition thread in a forum will only get a few hundred signatures, really, and will never be an accurate representation of how many people want a change. Thats why a discussion makes more sense.

And by the way, I'm going to agree that that amount of grind your guild can do is not a very good way to judge skill level.

CrispyCritter

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Save The Dolyaks

05 May 2006 at 17:03 - 100
/signed

The whole concept of Elite Missions is borked to begin with. I can see maybe having to unlock these missions through personal accomplishments (i.e. your character has to get master level for all factions missions, etc.), but to make it so that ONLY members of a single alliance can do it (or their guests) is just not a good idea.

Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

05 May 2006 at 17:25 - 101
/signed

mrbb

mrbb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 17:31 - 102
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgortner

Please quote: "I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."
I agree.

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 17:31 - 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoumaAyame
I believe most people here just like to be spoiled. Wanting something you don't earn is... very childish. We all have to work for some type of reward every now and then.
I don't see the people demanding them to be handed to them, the current system just makes getting into the elite missions impossible unless you are in a zerg-alliance that has a lot of grinders.

Make the entrance cost 5000 faction per player? Fine. Make the entrance be gained by several difficult quests? Fine. Make the entrance require you belonging in a guild/alliance that 0.005% of the players can ever get into? No.

Shifty Five Monk

Shifty Five Monk

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Meh Bleh [Lazy]

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 17:34 - 104
/not signed.

It was ment for the best alliance to have acess to, if you want to play it so bad then join an alliance...like bkbd, the one im in has plenty of room and we are always recruiting. Also if random people are gonna try this you will fail. The only way to get by is to have an extermly organized group on ts or vent.

Alliances have to do a lot of work to gain the areas so if everyone gets acess then all our work is in vain and the whole point of owns cavalon or hzh is completly pointless unless you like fireworks and a merchent.

I'll say it again, if you want acess all 10 of the guilds in our alliance are reqruiting so join one.

SoumaAyame

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

05 May 2006 at 17:49 - 105
Kaguya, the examples you are providing are not disproving my statement of 'spoiled children'. You don't have to have something directly handed to you just to be spoiled.

There are those who actually take on various challenges to get what they deserve. I don't believe it is difficult at all to at least find people in the top alliances to help you enter the Elite Missions. "Give me this, give me that..." I believe ArenaNet is already tired of spoiling everyone with all the changes they have to make to the game because most are too dense to figure out a way to overcome certain problems themselves (i.e. IWAY, spike, etc.).

If these members of these top alliances can do it, I don't see why you all, who seem so dedicated to the game to petition against it, cannot. They, of course, are people just like you, and are taking their own personal time to achieve their high amounts of Faction. These people are also willing to let you leech off of them. I really think you are being unreasonable to ask for more from people who are just like you. Take the initiative in-game. I doubt it's as hard as most of you think it is.

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 18:03 - 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoumaAyame
Kaguya, the examples you are providing are not disproving my statement of 'spoiled children'. You don't have to have something directly handed to you just to be spoiled.

There are those who actually take on various challenges to get what they deserve. I don't believe it is difficult at all to at least find people in the top alliances to help you enter the Elite Missions. "Give me this, give me that..." I believe ArenaNet is already tired of spoiling everyone with all the changes they have to make to the game because most are too dense to figure out a way to overcome certain problems themselves (i.e. IWAY, spike, etc.).

If these members of these top alliances can do it, I don't see why you all, who seem so dedicated to the game to petition against it, cannot. They, of course, are people just like you, and are taking their own personal time to achieve their high amounts of Faction. These people are also willing to let you leech off of them. I really think you are being unreasonable to ask for more from people who are just like you. Take the initiative in-game. I doubt it's as hard as most of you think it is.
I don't see any contact info tagged onto those cities ingame, who do I contact? Go to HzH and spam 'omgz I wanna join elite mission plx' when there isn't even anyone belonging to that alliance there?

What if Korean alliance holds the city? Do I have to learn to speak Korean in order to join these elite missions?

The whole alliance thing supports only big zerg guilds, that don't necessarily have anything to do with skill. An 8 peep guild of RL friends or somesuch can be more skilled than a 500 player Alliance.

No way a 8 peep guild can grind the same amount of 500 players can, so this more skilled group is left out, unless they find someone from the 'elite alliance' to tag along with them. I don't like huge zerg guilds thus I'm not joining one. Does that make me 'unworthy' of facing these harder challenges, even if I work as hard as any 'zergie' would, with only the difference I'm not under this huge glorious banner of Zerg. Actually a zergie that just belongs to the zerg alliance can get into the elite without doing anything at all, some skill/work requirement...

Reiden Argrock

Reiden Argrock

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Arizona

Shadowstorm Mercenaries

05 May 2006 at 18:12 - 107
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgortner
A-Net and Everyone,

I love Guild Wars and nearly everything about it, so please don't take this note of critisism and requtest the wrong way.

I would like to start a petition for everyone that agrees that the elitiest restriction on elite missions is absolutely rediculous. We have all paid for Factions and the content therein. The way the system is currently, some people will never have the opportunity to play these elite missions.

With the favor system, which is at least somewhat better, there was a clear rotation of favor to allow different territories to open the Underworld and Fissure of Woe.

A-Net: You spend a tremendous amount of time and effort developing this content, and we have spent an equal amount of time leveling up and progressing our characters. Please change this sytem to allow everyone to enjoy this content.

Only reply to this post if you agree and *only* with the following information:

Please quote: "I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

Full Name
In Game Name
Territory
Age
Guild Name (if any)

Thank you all,

Sincerely,
Isaac Ixbane
Bolded is where you blew it... A-Net has always emphasized that Guild Wars is not a time game, but a skill game, and while you could very well view the Elite Missions as a whoever has the most time available to farm faction, there is still a certain level of skill needed, to do the quests, to win the battles, to own the Elite Missions.

While I agree that the Elite Missions could probably do with a few more ways to access, I don't think they should just be available to anyone, whenever they want.

SoumaAyame

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

05 May 2006 at 18:18 - 108
Again, Kaguya, all you are doing is complaining and looking at the downside of things. Because there are moments that can hinder your participation in the Elite Mission, you must note the obvious and hope that you aren't acting spoiled?

The guild I am in with my friends, Pros At Inactivity [bleh], literally lives by its name. With about five active members, we aren't really able to compete for control of the Elite Missions.

... so?

My friends, who are pretty anti-social in the Guild Wars world, still are able to seize chances to be able to enter the Elite Missions. Honestly, it isn't that hard... You guys are just overexaggerating so that you can have things the way you want them to be.

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 18:32 - 109
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoumaAyame
Again, Kaguya, all you are doing is complaining and looking at the downside of things. Because there are moments that can hinder your participation in the Elite Mission, you must note the obvious and hope that you aren't acting spoiled?

The guild I am in with my friends, Pros At Inactivity [bleh], literally lives by its name. With about five active members, we aren't really able to compete for control of the Elite Missions.

... so?

My friends, who are pretty anti-social in the Guild Wars world, still are able to seize chances to be able to enter the Elite Missions. Honestly, it isn't that hard... You guys are just overexaggerating so that you can have things the way you want them to be.
Last I checked this is a discussion forum, and there is always people and opinions how things should work. Saying that your opinion is 'spoiled' is as silly as arguing about liking/disliking a banana.

From my point of view, the whole elite mission mechanism is flawed. The whole control cities system is silly. Is there even a benefit in holding the minor outposts other than having your guild tag on it, and a merchant selling stuff at different prices. Ohyeah, omgfireworks too.

And what opportunities are you able to seize to enter the elite? Especially if you'd play on a 'casual' schedule, a set timeframe. What if the alliance that 'offers' the elite to others isn't controlling it? What if it is held by some non-english speaking alliance? You won't be able to enter the content, and as much as people keep parroting 'omg you need skill/omg you have to work', neither the skill or work change the fact that small groups aren't able to try the mission even if they have the skill and work required for it. There just is no way for a small group to farm 1.5M faction to take control. Even if "people like me" would offer to let me into their elite, how long will that remain as is? When do they start asking for 10k gold fees etc?

Player controlled access to content is always bad.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

05 May 2006 at 18:37 - 110
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiden Argrock
Bolded is where you blew it... A-Net has always emphasized that Guild Wars is not a time game, but a skill game, and while you could very well view the Elite Missions as a whoever has the most time available to farm faction, there is still a certain level of skill needed, to do the quests, to win the battles, to own the Elite Missions.

While I agree that the Elite Missions could probably do with a few more ways to access, I don't think they should just be available to anyone, whenever they want.
The last time i checked doing the same repeatable mission over and over again to 'farm faction' wasn't classed as skillful. When did this change?

LucasAshrock

LucasAshrock

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

05 May 2006 at 18:37 - 111
Sorry, but elite mission is only for pro
That's why a guild must have a lot of members and ally too. In a 30 members guild surely u can find 3 or 4 pro player. They will be member of elite mission. Others must study and work on build with coop and record mission. When 1 day they will be rdy ,maybe,maybe,maybe, they can go to elite mission. 90% of normal players don't arrive near 1/4 of elite mission. And ventrilo/Ts is absolutely needed, with high perf ultra fast weapons too. Sorry, but elite is elite.

The Muffen Man

The Muffen Man

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Druery Lane

W/

05 May 2006 at 19:10 - 112
/signed

Gizmo Loco

Gizmo Loco

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

05 May 2006 at 19:15 - 113
/sign

aron searle

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 19:17 - 114
Can someone please explain to me using LOGIC, and not insults or brainless comments of the "cry more spoiled brat", exactly how being in a large alliance with alot of people farming for faction makes you skilled?

What if someone is the most skilled player in existance but chooses to play with his friends rather than join a large faction farming group.

I simply cannot see the connection beetween skill and faction farming, its a numbers game not a skill game, and whoever can dedicate the most **time** wins.

Ive yet to read one single decent argument other than all this "work for it you crybaby" crap.

Rhuobhe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Less Crying is Key [kThx]

05 May 2006 at 19:24 - 115
And I, as a rank 1 want to take HoH - it should not only be accessable to those who can get into good, organized groups.

/notsigned

Cloudstriker

Cloudstriker

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Eclyptic Phoenix

Mo/E

05 May 2006 at 19:35 - 116
/signed

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

and to echo what someone else said (sorry i dont have the name) how in the hell does being part of a large alliance equate to skill level and having the right to elite missions. A large alliance simply has the sheer numbers to farm faction night and day. Think of it this way:

100 members in an alliance that get 100 faction for losing an alliance battle because they suck. They've just made a collective 10 000 faction by LOSING.

alen

alen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Slovenia

Mo/

05 May 2006 at 19:38 - 117
/signed

Atleast make more Elite Missions

shadowfell

shadowfell

hamonite anur ruk

Join Date: Jan 2006

Echovald Forest

[PhD] Teh Academy

Me/A

05 May 2006 at 19:48 - 118
/signed

Lialla Shadowfell
us territories


Don't let this turn into another flame fest, like the last one did. It will just get it closed. Everyone knows why they want it kept the way it is, and everyone knows why the people who don't have it, want it changed. The haters who already have the alliance and right to fight around the elite challenges, and the ability to overcharge people for nifty looking zodiac items do NOT want that to change. It's their cash cow and bragging right.

chrisbeebops

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

05 May 2006 at 19:54 - 119
I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication.

Full Name - Chris F.
In Game Name - Raigor the Bright
Territory - US
Age - 17
Guild Name - The Random Squad [bobo]

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

05 May 2006 at 20:00 - 120
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowfell
Don't let this turn into another flame fest, like the last one did. It will just get it closed. Everyone knows why they want it kept the way it is, and everyone knows why the people who don't have it, want it changed. The haters who already have the alliance and right to fight around the elite challenges, and the ability to overcharge people for nifty looking zodiac items do NOT want that to change. It's their cash cow and bragging right.
The last 1 was fun though, i was in that up until the end and the only person defending this stupid setup for Elite Missions was using the elitist bullshit approach and contradicting himself every other post. They all know that these 'Elite' missions have absolutely nothing to do with skill what-so-ever, they just don't want to admit it because then they may lose there access to the uber Zodiac weapons when they become common for anyone who gets to enter. All they care about is the gold in there storage, nothing else.