Elite Missions Too Restricted: Please Sign this Petition! Every vote counts!

Oh they realize that, they just don't care. THey _want_ it to be about timesinks, because that makes it easier for them to feel "elite".

nah you got it all wrong, i felt pretty elite before factions even came out . i dont need some elite mission to feel elite and i am sure others in the alliance dont. anyway what do you define as elite as it intrigues me?

I agree it should be made more readily available. In theory the way it works now is only the top alliance from Kurzick/Luxon can access them. at a player count that is 100 per guild in the alliance and 10 guilds in an alliance. so only a total of 2000 players max out of the entire GW community get a chance to play those missions. Well that is unless you are a part of another UBER ELITE PVP ALLIANCE which generally does'nt care about PvE. Hmm lets think this over the PVP alliances get control over the PVE missions. That's real smart. and it's already becoming an issue of how much Plat ppl pay to get access to the mission i.e. pay15-25k to get invite to the guild for one access to the mission then you get kicked from guild once the mission is accessed. Hav'nt been the victim of that BS yet but it is happeneing!

Definately /signed

"Elite" as in "elitist". Any player that wants artificial barriers to entry put in the way of other players is an elitist. They are attempting to hide how truly trivial their accomplishment are, and they hope to do this by keeping as many people as possible from ever having a chance to accomplish the same thing. Once enough random people complete whatever it is that they were attempting to protect, it will suddenly go from being an "almost impossible challenge" to "trivially easy". This change will happen so quickly that it would make your head spin.

/signed

barely two weeks into factions are there are fewer and fewer people in regular mission towns, how many people do you think will be in the elite mission towns?

Okay, I'm not gonna single out any individual person, but a concept that *is* slightly flawed...

The fact that I was able to spend enough time solo'ing some spiders in FoW to get a 15>50 chaos axe does not mean that I am a great player. The fact that I have been able to repeatedly do many things in the game does NOT mean that I am an elite player. The way in which faction is earned is the same. You repeatedly do ONE thing. The entire guild and alliance does ONE thing. Like green farming or IDS farming. . . Anet has in the past cracked down on the ability to spend all of one's time in repetition to end farming. This is very similar.

I'm in an alliance that will likely have control of a town relatively soon, but that is because we spend a lot of time doing alliance battles. So my complaint about this is not the whole, "ZOMG I'll never get to see this magical fairy land ANET help me!" My complaint is that it could be done slightly differently. Such as, elite missions can be accessed by those who have finished the game with certain titles aquired or maybe game completion and a bit less faction or something. Being forced to rely on your alliance, though, is kind of harsh to those who dislike the pvp aspect of the game.

And something else that is really messing up this concept of hard earned faction: People start faction battles and go afk. The rest of the 12 on their team still earn them faction. People could do this all day without a problem while they do other things instead of "earning" it or working for it in a legitimate way. This needs to be fixed. A potential solution (if anyone argues against this, they do it, honestly... No reason anyone would have a problem with this if they don't use this method to advance themselves.) is to not allow someone without a minor amount of involvement in the battles gain any faction. The losing team should still get faction, but the people who don't move and don't use skills should not. Who knows, maybe some of the people who argue that this thread is retarded (in rather uncouth, impolite ways) have knowingly or even unknowingly gained faction this way...

Edit: Signed

If XoO has any self-respect they will immediatly kick this member who just made their whole alliance look bad. I am also hoping XoO or any Cavalon or HzH controlling alliances have a policy of freely opening the area to anyone that wants to get in.

I like some of the proposals here to change the method of accessing elite missions and how the alliance standings are determined:
1) Link the decay of faction to the number of members in an alliance. A larger alliance will still have an advantage because of the amount of faction that can be stored by each member but at least the playing field is level when it comes to taking control of a town
2) Make access based on a faction cut-off point, say 500,000 or something.

/signed

hmm well finishing the game is hardly an accomplishment, so for that to be concidered a means of allowing a player into the elite missions is out the window. I would not be opposed to havinga fee based system set up to get into the mission as was suggested. Controlling alliance no charge, secondary town controlling alliance 1/2 price all others full price! But as I posted before there is already a paid entry system in place but it is at the cost of 15-25k per player( which from what I've seen happening is the money is collected then mission start then Host/escort players leave you there alone to die) big Scam to be performed by what is supposed to be the ELITE guilds in GW. Nice way to show your guild's integrity.

I'll probably never get to the Elite Missions - and really don't care. If it is impossible for me to play (and have fun) somewhere, then I will just go and enjoy the game elsewhere.

I'm very happy with 15k armor and green items as my badges of honor, in addition to the titles I have earned.

Did you read what i wrote??
Even though i am in one of the top alliances i agreed the elite should be less restrictive.
Yes i agree about the grind not the skill that will get you house.
My suggestion is the record holders at any of the challenge missions have access to the areas also.
So if you hold the record for the day, month, All-time you can bring who ever you want into the elite area. It still restricts it while allowing for the "Skilled" players to have access to that sick minded devs Mission.
Is this a good idea for a solution or do you have a suggestion?
Please don't say pay for it, lets continue on the Skilled player aspect and with some sort of contest.
Btw PVP gets their glory in gvg and ha, so i don't think they need to have it in pve also, but i see your point. and don't flame us buoyancy .. flame Xoo They were the ones charging for people to get into the elite mission. When we held it I was letting some people into the elite mission because they asked me, because it doesn't matter.

problem with high entry costs is risking going with pugs goes out the window. any noob could kill the party on purpose and get great enjoyment at wasting the teams 25k x11

friendships could be ruined if someone messes up and costs everyone 25k each.

but then again if you go into the elite missions you should be thoroughy prepared

Why, exactly? Do you feel threatened by the fact that other people can accomplish the same tasks as you? Are you not as special as your mother told you you were?

Wow. I'm not sure if I have ever heard anything so utterly unintellegent. Theres no way your much older than 12. And the fact that your using your momma jokes only proves your imatureity. The fact is it is very easy to beat the game, i can beat it from start to finish in about 8 hours without ever pugging up a non-henchie (factions not profecies mind you). So no, beating the game is not any sort of acomplishment to be proud of. In fact there is very little in PvE that requires much skill beyond memorizing patrol patterns and skill combos. When your in a rank 56 guild you can talk to me about "acomplishing" something.

And as far as "Not being special" all the titles pretty much (save for a few) are trivial BS that A.net only put in there because they were getting complaints from PvE noobs saying "Just cuz i dont have rank doesnt mean i'm not good" or "I'm tired of PvPers emoting at me in PvE missions". Lets be honest no one actually equips an "Explorer" title unless they have nothing better, runing around "exploring" isnt exactly an acomplishment. Of course some are just for fun and not to be taken seriously like the "Drunkered" title.

But i'm sick of all this title BS, the only ones worth any time at all to "acomplish" are Hero (rank), Gladiator (RA), Skill Hunter (90 or more elites on one char), and maybe the Protector (all missions and bonuses complete). Even the Friend of the Kurzicks/Luxons is pointless and can be done by leeching in allience battles.

So untill You have anything usefull or constructive to say, please shut up, and grow up too while your at it.

~Duke~

Isint this petiton? Not a discusion?

/signed

Thanks for confirming that you are indeed threatened when other players aren't limited by artificial barriers also known as timesinks.

That's nice. It's also completely irrelevant. Thanks for confirming that you're nothing more than a useless elitist. You've just confirmed my exact argument that people feel threatened when anybody can accomplish the same things as them. It's really quite pathetic how desperate people get when this pointed out though.

PvP vs PvE flaming! Every single thread that involves some discrepancy in PvE.

Just allow some other way into the Elite Missions besides buying your way in from the mega-Alliances that can farm Faction.

Or, just get rid of them entirely.

Ok, it seems some of you may have "misunderstood" my lastest post, so let me explain.

How am i "threatened"? I'm encouraging ppl to acomplish things, not saying "Theres no way u'll do it cuz i'm better than you"

How is it irrelevent? we were talking about beating the game being pointless. not to mention the only thing u keep saying that ppl are "threatened" by you, No we're really not. Also how does the fact that the campaign being easy to beat make me an elitest?

First of all theres nothing "macho" about it just saying being in a good guild is a little more impressive then reuung around 60% of the map.

I'm saying that simply beating the game with little or no bonuses is inpressive, getting all the bonuses however, is, hense my last post.

How am i pig-headed, all i'm saying is that getting 60% of the map isnt all that inpressive, u can get 70% with just doing the missions, and no extra areas. And i'm not saying ALL PvEers are noobs I PvE my self, but just cuz u can solo UW or do the bonus on a "hard" misison isnt all the inpressive

Go for it, those are one of the "fun" titles i was talking about, and seeing as this is a game, its suposed to be fun.

Well hope this clears some things up.

~Duke~

Am mainly a PvE player and when I heard there were going to be elite missions, this was an awesome idea, a new area where you would be challenged, of course overtime it is PvE, so you can create builds to beat it, but ANET is free to change the mission anything, to add even more fun for those that like PvE, expect with the curent system factions farmers (pvp or pve) get access, some or a lot of them are probably elite players, but not all. Also there are a lot of elite players and elite guilds that dont have a chance.

Kudos does goes to at least the Black Blades for their work with the current system, they organized and did what the game told to, farm factions.

I dont believe i have he solution to the problem, but there some good ideas on different threads, like having beat the game, have master on XX% of the missions, and several other PvE ways to show you know how to teamwork. One idea is have a pre-elite mission area, where you would have to beat this area to get access to the elite mission and pay a faction or money based entry. In this pre-area there would be no drops, no XP, no nothing.

so /Signed to change the current system, but have some kind of way to prove you are good...

I think it's a fine thing for ArenaNet to try to make most of the content in the game available to most players, most of the time.

I can live with the Kurzick/Luxon conceit of gameplay (for one expansion), as long as it's simple enough two have multiple characters who can access all content.

All PvE content in the game should be easily reachable by players who have finished most or the rest of the PvE content, and have a little bit of patience (not for grinding, but for waiting their turn, so to speak). Instead of letting the King of the Hill keep the elite content all of the time, it should be timeshared to each Alliance (which includes single-guild alliances), based on some kind of formula, but eventually rotating to all players. Note that this doesn't require that access necessarily be exclusive to a particular alliance.

For instance:

- The King of the Hill has access to the Elite Content 100% of the time.
- A Guild that isn't even trying can access the Elite Content 10% of the time (let's say for a full day every tenth day).
- A Guild that competes to be King of the Hill but is only averagely successful can access the elite Content 50% of the time (say).

Thus, there is incentive and reward for players who fight for it, but everyone gets a chance to play.

Obviously, all of the numbers there were made up by me, and probably not great. Maybe one in every ten days isn't good enough, since people have real life schedules, but even as rarely as once every ten days would let nearly any player who wanted access to the content to get to it eventually.

I suggest other people suggest alternate methods, rather than just complaining they don't like the current system.

Signed

Full name: Shane
IGN: Yawgmoth Nameless
Territory: US
Age: 17
Guild Name: Life Vs Death Reborn

This issue was delt with. The person did not know the rules and was corrected.

The rules state XoO does not charge to enter the Elite mission. If somebody from our Alliance charges then they are breaking the rules. Let a officer/leader know if you see somebody breaking our rules. Take SS's or have something to back up your accusations.

Hopefully people are not judging the whole alliance by the actions of one un-informed individual....

Now with that being said. If you know somebody in XoO, and we have control of the house, feel free to page that person and they will more than likely love to take you to the elite mission (for FREE).

And please in the future don't quote bits and pieces of another post to make a point. By all means post the link to the whole post so that everybody can see what exactly went on. Like this...

Well, I see a bit of a double-standard going on there.

Why would it be wrong for a guild to charge people to party with them to enter an elite mission?

No one had issues with runners charging people to go from point a to point b. Nothing different here either, except for a grander scale. If anyone had any cajones, they would charge folks 100K to join a party, no guaranteed drops/loot. After all, you'd stand to MAKE 500-1,000K in one successful run if you managed to get a good drop, 100K would be peanuts. Lord knows there are plenty of "rich" people around.

Anyone crying and saying it would be wrong would be nothing but hypocrites if they supported runners.

I applaud Xoo's "moral" stance, but they are missing out on a cash cow, I tell ya.

i think the main difference between this and runners or pwr lvlers, is that with running, the runner actually does something, other than be in a good allience, they actually provide a service, this is like charging someone to to group with u in HA cuz ur r9.

It's not a service? The guild is providing something, they worked for it, they can do it and you can't - unless you learn to do it yourself (or join an alliance that can), and now are charging you to ride along.

Nothing stopping R9 players from trying to pull that stunt in HA either - except no one would care.

ANYTHING within this game that is "unique" is worth money - even silly mini pets. If there is something people want, but don't have, they will shell out bucks for it.

/signed
Alex M
ign The Gypsy King
territory usa
age 20
We Plunder you Now

not to step on anyone's toes but one must consider what these elite missions are. IMHO i don't think anyone should just have a go at it considering the stuff ive heard about it.
The fact is elite missions REQUIRE good teamwork sorta justifies its uniqueness. You gotta be a team player in more ways than one i would think. The mission isnt the UW / FOW quests but something XXX times worse.
If that is the case, I do not think it's for everyone. Those solo builds aint gonna do ya any good and only team players and those who REALLY know how to play properly will have any go at it.

Grind? Yeah but a different sort of grind is indicated here. Its called TEAM grind. People who play PVP should understand what that means.

So what does that mean for us? We gotta go and take the time to play long and hard. God knows i don't and as much as i would like to play these missions, we need to help our guilds and alliances prosper to a point where we can play it.

What does that mean? It means we got to contribute to our guilds. Help theam farm factions to allow us to get the elite missions. Farming always equalled individual riches and nothing else. This times, they made it so that these special levels aint gonna be accessed by farmers interested only in wealth and all that stuff

If someone asks so what about those idiots who are in a guild who owns the city for the elite mission. My answer? They need to be REAL lucky to even make it through the entire mission. The goal is team play again. Cussing and blaming others dont cut it and the greatest importance of all to remember is EVERYONE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOS UP and how you turn a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up aggro into a successful route is what truly defines team play.

If you can't handle that...... i doubt you truly deserve to even enter it.

ME... it translates to a need to start learning team play and all that stuff cuz I do want to somehow step into the elite mission just once without having to be invited into it.

I got work and doubt that will happen quickly. But I do beleive one day i can get it. How? dunno but it aint super high in my list to obtain. I want it but i aint gonna complain on what obviously is a reward for top gamers.

BTW: top gamers may usually mean people without any life outside a computer but who cares. I cant do that since i gotta job to maintain but other than that...... sigh.... i wish i could do that.

/signed
Augustus Pablo Van Buren III 1/2 Jr.
IGN- unda dawg
[BS]

Again, please explain to us all why these two missions shouldn't be open to anybody who wants to try them who's reached the end of the game? If they fail, then they fail. It's not your job, nor is it Anet's job to determine who is "good" enough to have access to them.

This attitude is disgusting, as are all of the people who hold it.

ok, so your basically saying every single person in this thread is retarded, and has no skill. great argument. you know how Anet advertised this game? you guessed it no grind which is exactly what this new elite mission stuff encourages. i guess you never stopped and thought, maybe every single player doesnt pvp, and doesnt competetively play in the HoH. thats what everybody was originally so pissed off about; that the pure pve players had to rely on the pvp players in order to in essence play the high-end portion of the game.

your entire logic is circular and flawed, full of terrible arguments that make almost completely no sense what-so ever. please, next time, think about what you are saying and what it implies before you hit submit.

EDIT: /signed

/signed

OK, now I have finally made it to the "elite mission" areas, so I guess I can form an opinion on them.

IMO, they should be renamed to "Grind Contests".

Whichever alliance has the most people, preferably people who still live with their parents and have no job (so they can play as much as they want), will get the most faction and thereby control the missions.

So, let's extrapolate the current system out, and see what the future holds. Sooner or later, someone will form an alliance of people who have absolutely nothing better to do than to play GW. They will grind and grind, earn their faction, and take over the capital towns. I mean, unless something is changed, this seems pretty inevitable to me. I know if I didn't have full-time work, a wife and a newborn, that's what I would do. I would be recruiting people that could play as much as I could. Anyway, once these alliances are in control, who is going to be able to wrest it away from them? The only hope would be another alliance, formed of people who can play just a little bit more than the current regime.

Maybe I'm way off-base with this whole scenario... maybe there is something I'm missing. I hope so.

First of all no one is saying that the missions need to be open to EVERYONE (well no one that knows anything about the game) however if i wanted the constent gride of repatition I would play FFX.

But guess what! I dont what the same old BS over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Theres a deffinate difference between being good at a game or "elite" and being able to do the same crap over and over again, even goldfish can be taught repatition and habit.

Thats why i like GvG its so different from match to match. Although, I would like to try the elite missions, but i dont want to be in an allience of 10, each guild with 100 members whos soul purpose in life is owning HzH. Nor do I want to pay someone to play them (not talking about XoO here, u guys are cool, but i have seen other ppl doing this).

However i think the real problem here, beyond the whinning and crying of the ppl who thinks its "unfair" that they paid 50$ for a game and dont get to play the whole thing is the fact that no one has come up with any real solutions, myself included. i dont claim to have all the answers, nor should anyone else.

and thats my 2 cents, well at this point i guess its more like 10 cents, but anyway, i have alot to say.

~Duke~

Probably all players of GW must read my post and stop this thread

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...41#post1370241

"I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

Full Name: Justin
In Game Name: beleg curunir, beleg curudur
Territory: europe, america
Age: 20
Guild Name: Durance of fate.

I agree and don't think you should have to leave a guild of friends (that I have developed in game, no less) to play the best parts of the game.

/Signed

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all
players of all levels of dedication.

In Game Names : Corwin Redblade/ Kal Zorak

Territory: Canada

Guild : Silks Battalion

I have two accounts (prophecy) & will have 2 Factions linked to these accounts - have one reg factions - still waiting for CE for 2nd acct.
so far i have 6 lvl 20 char and 1 new faction char - I play alot. one account I' ve played over 1300 hours - I really enjoy Guild Wars and Factions - but I'm strictly a PVE player - I dont play PVP and I have no
interest in ever playing it !!! - I'm not knocking it - it just isn't for me.
At the very least the elite missions shud be handled like UW or FOW which I
play alot as well

Too restricted atm, aye. But I don't agree to this statement:
"I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

An elite mission should not be made available to all players. But I don't believe it should be made available to alliances which do nothing but farm for faction either. Now it's now available to those with skill, it's available to those with a lot of free time on their hands.

Fixed and QFT.

i dont have a clue about elite missions all i know it is its for the guild that holds the main houses

i've posted before and still the only threads i have read about the elite missions have been negative

The probrem is this , the controlling city idea is a faction core concept it can't be deleted.

Plus since controlling a city mean a huge work it should rewarded HEAVLY , if everone can access to elite mission paying 1k what is the point of controlling a city? spare 1k dont joke.

IMO anyway they should change the controlling city sistem giving to smaller guild and alliance a way to gain it