I was done with factions in a few days... the only reason I stopped at any point was to, and listen up here close PvP parochials, replay areas to capture, explore and collect items. Everything from Kaineng onwards is level 20 content, a real hardcore PvE'er would take their time to fully master all of it. That's why many PvE players went slower. I did not have trouble completing any mission within a few tries at worst (vizunah bug, doing tahnnakai and sunjiang 8+ times..). Please try to think beyond what is just in front of you to consider reasons and other overlaying issues.
PvP playing means you can use skills.
PvE playing means you can use skills.
PvPers will know what to do on a PvP map, and what skills to use.
They will not, however, know the maps in PvE, but the whole point of PvE is to explore anyway. Therefore this is not an issue, because mostly a team follows a leader. How simple can it be?
the newest stupidity.. Rank= pve skill..
Avarre
B Ephekt
Haha, I love how unranked pve players always assume anyone with rank plays IWAY. Please shut up with your ignorant rationalizations, it's one of the main reasons pvpers call you noobs. (not that I agree, I'm just saying) Also, if you've never tombed, please shut up about IWAY. Nobody wants to hear you regurgitate the opinions of others you read here on the forums.
That said...
Rank generally shows that a player understands the game mechanics and skills in the game (as well as maps in HA). I could see how this might benefit a team in pve, but I still find it retarded to require rank for pve missions.
Pve is not hard, takes minimal teamwork, can be PUGed easily and can almost always be completed with henchmen. Just stick to finding polite, patient people for your PUGs and you will almost always do fine. And that guy spamming r3+ required is probably an asshole or rage quitter anyway, just ignore him.
That said...
Rank generally shows that a player understands the game mechanics and skills in the game (as well as maps in HA). I could see how this might benefit a team in pve, but I still find it retarded to require rank for pve missions.
Pve is not hard, takes minimal teamwork, can be PUGed easily and can almost always be completed with henchmen. Just stick to finding polite, patient people for your PUGs and you will almost always do fine. And that guy spamming r3+ required is probably an asshole or rage quitter anyway, just ignore him.
Ado
In the first week I saw a lot of ranked players far in the game. In fact, sometimes I saw more r9+ players in the last couple of missions than in HA. I think a lot of ranked players (myself included) wanted to finish pve quickly and head back to pvp. But I agree with most people that rank doesnt automaticly make someone a better pve-player. It might help in knowlegde of skills, grouptactics etc, but a good pve-player knows these things as well I presume.
edit: Woops, I was reading page 6 instead of 7. Most I've said was said by the previous poster, sorry about that.
edit: Woops, I was reading page 6 instead of 7. Most I've said was said by the previous poster, sorry about that.
Sam-
A good friend is better than a random PUG. I met this guy in early missions and we ended up beating the last 5 missions together with 6 henches, no problem. (That includes beating the last mission within 25 second, no idea how that happened)
Retribution X
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Haha, I love how unranked pve players always assume anyone with rank plays IWAY. Please shut up with your ignorant rationalizations, it's one of the main reasons pvpers call you noobs. (not that I agree, I'm just saying) Also, if you've never tombed, please shut up about IWAY. Nobody wants to hear you regurgitate the opinions of others you read here on the forums.
This part was completly irrelevant to the topic.
I've never played IWAY, But I have played Boon Prot/Boon heal, and SS/BR.
The Reason we hate this, Is because We look for a halfway competent group, and the "Interrupt Mesmers" Bring Power block, And the warriors use frenzy (Which, IMHO, is never usefull...), Ranger are complete idiots and also go interrupts, but hide behind the walls, necro's are anti caster or anti warrior, Sins are focused on one target, And the monks are smiters.
It's not gonna work. They have got to use a halfway decent build. They think that PvP has some realtion to PvE, which it does not.
I've never played IWAY, But I have played Boon Prot/Boon heal, and SS/BR.
The Reason we hate this, Is because We look for a halfway competent group, and the "Interrupt Mesmers" Bring Power block, And the warriors use frenzy (Which, IMHO, is never usefull...), Ranger are complete idiots and also go interrupts, but hide behind the walls, necro's are anti caster or anti warrior, Sins are focused on one target, And the monks are smiters.
It's not gonna work. They have got to use a halfway decent build. They think that PvP has some realtion to PvE, which it does not.
frickaline
I tend to find that the pvp players that believe they are gracing the pve realm with their presence often don't have the patience required to play the game slow and smart when so required (not all, but many). Since I have seen some of these players play pvp smart when required I really dont get this, but I think it comes down to patience.
They tend to lack the patience to work within the group they picked up and get frustrated and angered easily when one member is lacking in skill (often the cry of "noob" is soon to follow), rather than simply trying to fill the gap. Some pvp players can be very patient, but more often I find that the ones that flash around the fancy emote tend to be the ones that berate their team members with harsh insults. This frustrates me when it happens because it means my team will fall apart and even if those being yelled at stay in game, its not going to be easy to complete our goal with low team moral, nor will it be any fun.
It seems often that people forget that this is a game and instead try to derive an ego stroke from a number they have on the screen. I'd far rather play with people interested in having fun than people that thik they are wasting time by playing a game for fun rather than for ego.
Other than that, I'd have no issues with a mainly pvp person, but patience is a much larger aspect of pve than pvp and when it lacks, its very problematic.
They tend to lack the patience to work within the group they picked up and get frustrated and angered easily when one member is lacking in skill (often the cry of "noob" is soon to follow), rather than simply trying to fill the gap. Some pvp players can be very patient, but more often I find that the ones that flash around the fancy emote tend to be the ones that berate their team members with harsh insults. This frustrates me when it happens because it means my team will fall apart and even if those being yelled at stay in game, its not going to be easy to complete our goal with low team moral, nor will it be any fun.
It seems often that people forget that this is a game and instead try to derive an ego stroke from a number they have on the screen. I'd far rather play with people interested in having fun than people that thik they are wasting time by playing a game for fun rather than for ego.
Other than that, I'd have no issues with a mainly pvp person, but patience is a much larger aspect of pve than pvp and when it lacks, its very problematic.
B Ephekt
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They think that PvP has some realtion to PvE, which it does not.
I think it's pretty ignorant to assume that everyone who plays pvp is inherently dumb when it comes to pve. A lot of us DO play pve, believe it or not. I'm in a mostly pve guild, I started out as a pve player, and have 5 pve characters that I play off and on. When I want to gvg I smurf with our sister guild or alliance. I do HA mostly with friends. IMO, you discredit yourself by making broad base generalizations and trying to state them as fact. There is no way to make blanket statement like “pvp players are bad at pve because it’s different” and not look like a blabbering fool. I’m sorry, but you're not making a point by spewing unfounded drivel. I will say this though, a good player, regardless of what they focus on in Guild Wars, will play well in most situations. I'd be more inclinded to say the r3/6/9 guy that's an idiot in pve is just a bad player in general, not that he's just too used to pvp to comprehend RPing.
Retribution X
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I know the difference, because I play enough to know the difference.
I don't know some builds, But most PvP builds are focused on one target, Instead of multipule targets. (The Power block build isn't good in PvE for obvious reasons)
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IMO, you discredit yourself by making broad base generalizations and trying to state them as fact. There is no way to make blanket statement like “pvp players are bad at pve because it’s different” and not look like a blabbering fool. I’m sorry, but you're not making a point by spewing unfounded drivel.
I am not trying to state them as fact. And I know, PvP players are actually usually BETTER at PvE than those that don't PvP.
What I am saying is that the builds don't WORK in PvE As they do in PvP, Because most of the PvP builds are for single targets, instaed of many targets.
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What I am saying is that the builds don't WORK in PvE As they do in PvP, Because most of the PvP builds are for single targets, instaed of many targets.
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Originally Posted by B Ephekt
I will say this though, a good player, regardless of what they focus on in Guild Wars, will play well in most situations. I'd be more inclinded to say the r3/6/9 guy that's an idiot in pve is just a bad player in general, not that he's just too used to pvp to comprehend RPing.
Generally, yes. But Only if they change their build. Insidious and SS actually don't work overly well on afflicted. Most PvPers I've seen want to use their PvP cookie-cutter builds that are awsome in PvP, Which are focused on single targets.
You really can't focus on one single profession for PvE, As you can Specilize in PvP, as you generally know what you'll be against, and the range of foe styles is smaller. I agree with ALL of what you said. I just can't word it quite as well.
B Ephekt
Sorry for the misunderstanding then.
Taurus
PvPers ARE superior in battle than PvErs, and since nobody wants to waste their time in missions with a sword warrior with gladiators defense as elite and no dmg output, PvPers are the way to go.
floplag
PvP rank has absolutely nothing to do with anything in PvE .. never has, never will, nor should it. especially with so manyt fame farmers using cookie cutter builds that dont understand thier own character any better than that so-called noob. and please god keep your rank emotes to yourself, PvEers are not impressed
that having been said, the two gameplay styles are totally different.. what works in one may or may not work in the other.... so once again we see that the two worlds are in fact very distant and unrelated yes, ive done both before anyone asks both sides have issues ... PvPers have an extreme superiority complex in many cases.. and PvEers have a chip on thier shoulder about the lack of repsxect or content for them. its an apples vs oranges issue... comparing the two is like a monkey F__K&ing a football .. its nonsense. some oif the worst players ive seen in PUGs made no bones about letting us know his rank in PvP .. and of course had no friggin clue in PvE but WE were the noobs ... riight bottom line here, neither side is right or wrong... get over yourselves, play the game, and try to have fun rather than turning into a penile measuring contest Dove_Song
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and try to have fun rather than turning into a penile measuring contest
ZOMG you just said what I've been thinking for a year but was too afraid to say LOL ...
Kareem
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with the new titles system you can see what rank someone is if they choose to list said title.
How do you choose to list title?
victo bei
rank -> pvp
$$$/Armor/Weapon -> Pve
Helll is for Heroes
well, the rank of players means little, but still means something in PvE.
Ranked people are probably more competant than a complete new guy to the game, but might not be better than lets say a guy whos fairly apt at PvE. You cannot really judge if someone is experienced or not at PvE but you certaintly can judge if someone has been playing for a long time or not if they have a rank. IT DOES NOT MEAN EXPERIENCE THOUGH. honestly though, would you choose a random PUGger over someone who has rank9 for a PvE mission? I doubt it. However, would you choose someone who you know is decent at PvE considering he has the Protecter of Cantha/Tyria over a rank9 in PvE? I think so. These are all generalisations however, as you cant truly tell if someone will be useful or not for these missions. And please, stop flaming/trolling each other.
BrutusV
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$$$/Armor/Weapon -> Pve
For some reason $$$/Armor/Weapon makes me think ebay.
On topic - If I get a choice between a ranked and unranked player wanting to join a PUG, if I can see the ranked player has some PvE features (such as 15k armor), I'd probably take him over the unranked player... Unless the ranked guy flashes a rank emote. Doing something totally irrelevant for the circumstances indicates to me he has no idea what he's doing.
llsektorll
all i have to say is unranked people use the following skills...
endure pain defy pain thinks mending is the godliest skill in game uses vigorous spirit and thinks it will beat a army of lvl 24s MONKS USING HEALING BREEZE THINKING IT WILL SAVE PEOPLE FROM DEATH atleast we can laugh at you pvers when you come to tombs... but atleast with rank you may not get a garuntee that they know what they are doing in the mission but you sure as hell know that they know how to run their build effectively. P.S. Rank has been highly demoralized lately due to builds like IWAY. I just think you should have some dignity and run something with some honor. Kern Wolf
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well, the rank of players means little, but still means something in PvE.
Ranked people are probably more competant than a complete new guy to the game, but might not be better than lets say a guy whos fairly apt at PvE. You cannot really judge if someone is experienced or not at PvE but you certaintly can judge if someone has been playing for a long time or not if they have a rank. IT DOES NOT MEAN EXPERIENCE THOUGH. honestly though, would you choose a random PUGger over someone who has rank9 for a PvE mission? I doubt it. However, would you choose someone who you know is decent at PvE considering he has the Protecter of Cantha/Tyria over a rank9 in PvE? I think so. These are all generalisations however, as you cant truly tell if someone will be useful or not for these missions. And please, stop flaming/trolling each other. Rank might mean something to YOU in PVE; I could care less about it. And yes, I'll take a random PUGger in a heartbeat (I often do), versus that guy who constantly wants to flash his rank, and thinks that he automatically should have everyone bow down to him (no friggin way). As for titles, I have several; but I don't care to show them (or know them). I dont care to know yours. Just show me some enthusiasm for the mission/quest, and some manners towards your teammates, and you're in..
Helll is for Heroes
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Just show me some enthusiasm for the mission/quest, and some manners towards your teammates, and you're in..
lol, so enthusiasm is all it takes to get into your group? So you're willing to take 7 wa/mos through Hells Precipice yes? ok?
if so, PM me, im helll is for heroes, i will join your group. Lets see how far enthusiasm gets you. Theres a reason why people discriminate against certain people, and thats because people want to get things done in missions.
DC_Ross_Dark
I'd Trust a r9 monk over any "protector of cantha" anyday.
frickaline
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Theres a reason why people discriminate against certain people
Perhaps, but I'd much rather see someone carrying a protector title than a pvp title for a pve mission. They are more likely to have the required patience to work within a team irrespective of the rest of the membership (e.g. not as likely to haul off on other team members) as well as an ability to either lead the group or follow another leader, if so required. |
Also, they are far more likely to *want* to be there versus the pvp people who find pve a chore that they "have to get done".
Stockholm
There is no rank in PvE, anyone dumb enough to flash rank trying to pick up a group for a mission goes on my ignor list.
Kern Wolf
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lol, so enthusiasm is all it takes to get into your group? So you're willing to take 7 wa/mos through Hells Precipice yes? ok?
if so, PM me, im helll is for heroes, i will join your group. Lets see how far enthusiasm gets you. Theres a reason why people discriminate against certain people, and thats because people want to get things done in missions. Tsk, tsk, such a narrow mind.... I don't discriminate; I'll take wammos, assassins, etc. However, I don't take people who are waiting to see if a mission fails (obviously, such as yourself). I've done Prophecies, and most of Factions, with henches, PUGs, and guildies (my guild is small; I've done more with PUGs than guildies). Patience, more than anything (along with something called "strategic planning"--look it up one day), was enough to get through whatever the group needed. I've been in some "Godly" PUGs in FOW and UW. I've been in PUGs containing 3, 4, 5 people who were attempting that particular mission/quest for the 1st time (my favorite PUG ran from TOA to do Last Days Dawn, with 3 people attempting it for the 1st time). Been through some near wipes with some PUGs, only to have them stck it out, and finish the quest or misson. And if we DID die---so what? We went at it again. I feel sorry for you if you feel like you HAVE to get it done the 1st time, and the 1st time only. I feel sorry for you that you feel you have to "discriminate" against certain people. Then again, that's your problem, not mine. By the way--Hell's precipice: 5 warriors, 1 ranger, 2 monks. 2 Attempts. Everyone learned the value of their 2nd profession, and what they could really do. We took our time. We did it. feel foolish now?
Cymmina
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I'd Trust a r9 monk over any "protector of cantha" anyday.
Ah, but the Protector of Cantha monk would be more knowledgeable about things like enchantment stripping or hexes/conditions found in that mission/area, making them much better prepared.
sgtclarity
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Ah, but the Protector of Cantha monk would be more knowledgeable about things like enchantment stripping or hexes/conditions found in that mission/area, making them much better prepared.
OH PUHLEASE.
That's a boatload of BS. A good pvp monk is reactive, you watch what happens. If you get stripped then you wait. If there are lots of conditions, you cure them. What's all this knowledgeable bs you people are waving around? But in any case, who's complaining about monks? Last I heard there were too few, not too many. You take what you can get.
Cracko
I Know some guys who have R6 and they hardly played any PvE, just HA/HoH so they asked me to help em out in the last mission of tyria, so i went to Hell's Precipe (thats what its called right) and asked them were they were, later on they told me they were in the desert at Thirsty River... -_- now i do think this means something!
Samueldg
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all i have to say is unranked people use the following skills...
endure pain defy pain thinks mending is the godliest skill in game uses vigorous spirit and thinks it will beat a army of lvl 24s MONKS USING HEALING BREEZE THINKING IT WILL SAVE PEOPLE FROM DEATH atleast we can laugh at you pvers when you come to tombs... but atleast with rank you may not get a garuntee that they know what they are doing in the mission but you sure as hell know that they know how to run their build effectively. P.S. Rank has been highly demoralized lately due to builds like IWAY. I just think you should have some dignity and run something with some honor. ^^^THAT is why pve players think pvp players are ignorant jackasses in pve missions.. wars running endure pain and mending generally are trying to take the AGGRO of the whole mob on them. they use stuff like "STANCES" besides frenzy ( which in pve will get you killed in seconds in case you didnt know mr pvp) many of the "mending wars" you see are using vamp weapons. its a useless skill but it does provide the war with the ability to have the vamp weapon equipped at all times.. saving the monk from spending his energy healing the war.. in PVE, especially in early missions, breeze is used a great deal because it counters the conditions.. instead of bringing hex removal and remove condition a lower lvl monk can use breese on a guy and out last the duration of the negative pips in health.. its either that or a crappy orison spammed five times to counter the degen.. so yea retard... breeze DOES quite often save a guy from death in pve.. Mending DOES help a team on a war whos not using ene skills constantly.. and ENDURE PAIN does help a war take a beating long enough for the other players to kill off whats attacking JUST HIM>>>
B Ephekt
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lol, so enthusiasm is all it takes to get into your group? So you're willing to take 7 wa/mos through Hells Precipice yes? ok?
if so, PM me, im helll is for heroes, i will join your group. Lets see how far enthusiasm gets you. Theres a reason why people discriminate against certain people, and thats because people want to get things done in missions. 7 Warriors and a monk can easily finish Hell's Precipice if they pull properly and aren't brain dead. When I brought my pve War through Prophecies I got tired waiting on a group to form (50 or so wammos and no monks), so I grabbed a guildie monk that was on, got 7 other Warriors, and finished the mission (relatively quickly) on the first try. PVE is so ridiculously easy, 7 warriors and a monk can absolutely steam roll just about every mission. Edit: For clarification, I don't mean 7 stance tanks when I say warriors.
Chicken Ftw
Merr.. dunno why there's even a discussion about pve vs pvp here. I'll take a rank 9 person as quickly as a "protector". Chances are, he/she knows his/her build and how to use it. Sure, there's no concept of "aggro" in pvp, but if you think dragging fifty monsters together is a good thing, that's an example of stupidity, not lack of pve experience. A lot of the concepts are pretty much the same... you overextend out of healing range, you die. You split poorly, you die. Squishies should be targeted before warriors. Etc.
Anytime I see a pve player mindlessly accuse a pvp player of IWAYing his rank, I want to accuse him of ebaying his 15k/fow armor. It might be true, but you just don't know. So...don't. ;p pah01
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its a useless skill but it does provide the war with the ability to have the vamp weapon equipped at all times.. saving the monk from spending his energy healing the war..
/credibilty destroyed with this line
Chicken Ftw
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is why pve players think pvp players are ignorant jackasses in pve missions.. wars running endure pain and mending generally are trying to take the AGGRO of the whole mob on them. they use stuff like "STANCES" besides frenzy ( which in pve will get you killed in seconds in case you didnt know mr pvp) many of the "mending wars" you see are using vamp weapons. its a useless skill but it does provide the war with the ability to have the vamp weapon equipped at all times.. saving the monk from spending his energy healing the war.. in PVE, especially in early missions, breeze is used a great deal because it counters the conditions.. instead of bringing hex removal and remove condition a lower lvl monk can use breese on a guy and out last the duration of the negative pips in health.. its either that or a crappy orison spammed five times to counter the degen.. so yea retard... breeze DOES quite often save a guy from death in pve.. Mending DOES help a team on a war whos not using ene skills constantly.. and ENDURE PAIN does help a war take a beating long enough for the other players to kill off whats attacking JUST HIM>>> ^That is why some people who play PvE and PvP laugh at poor players, especially ones with bad attitudes. Mending and Endure Pain are trash. Pure trash. Mending's regen will never replace a monk's heals. Might use it as part of a farming build, but it has no place on a tank. Don't need it, especially if you brought some of those stances you mentioned. Endure is nice,'til it pops off and you're -200 hp. I lol'd when you said mending is for vamp weapons. Uhh, it's called a weapon switch. As for Frenzy killing you in PvE... There are some farming builds in The Campfire that use it. I personally use it for Melandru's Hope farming. Sure, it sucks for tanking. It's called using skills wisely. You'll die in PvP if you use it foolishly just as fast as PvE. Any good monk, PvE or PvP will tell you Healing Breeze sucks. It's good for being lazy during Ascalon missions, maybe. Anything beyond that and it's pretty useless.
lennymon
you all feel better now? sheesh
ok now all you bambis and farmbots go shake hands! jeez! what children  not very many of you on either side (only the ones in the middle) are EVER gonna get invited to my group. Why, the most important reason of all, you aren't team players. If you all cant see skilled players as well as idiots are on BOTH sides and quit making generalizations, then I think we all know whether you are skilled or not as an individual player already. /signed
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And since the new henchmen remove hexes and conditions insanely fast, the domination henchmen interrupts 1/4 casts consistanly... I see no reason to play with humans when the AI will outperform your typical player.
I thought that too.. If only Danika didnt spam signet of devotion (which they apparently fixed.. or not), and if only the Dom hench was takeable into GvG and HA :P
pah01
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Mending and Endure Pain are trash. Pure trash.
Agree with everything else in your post and we all know that mending is a bad skill.
However Endure Pain is not a bad skill. Endure Pain has many uses - providing a nice save versus spikes when ya have it on your bar - it allows you to tank the trebuchet, It allows you to overextend. In short endure pain is not pure trash. Sam
Chicken Ftw
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Agree with everything else in your post and we all know that mending is a bad skill.
However Endure Pain is not a bad skill. Endure Pain has many uses - providing a nice save versus spikes when ya have it on your bar - it allows you to tank the trebuchet, It allows you to overextend. In short endure pain is not pure trash. Sam You make a fair point, and I'll concede that it has its uses... just tired of seeing people use it, then run in to a fight, taking a 200 hit midbattle, and calling the monks nub when their health drops sharply. x.x; ayanaftw
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Merr.. dunno why there's even a discussion about pve vs pvp here. I'll take a rank 9 person as quickly as a "protector". Chances are, he/she knows his/her build and how to use it. Sure, there's no concept of "aggro" in pvp, but if you think dragging fifty monsters together is a good thing, that's an example of stupidity, not lack of pve experience. A lot of the concepts are pretty much the same... you overextend out of healing range, you die. You split poorly, you die. Squishies should be targeted before warriors. Etc.
Anytime I see a pve player mindlessly accuse a pvp player of IWAYing his rank, I want to accuse him of ebaying his 15k/fow armor. It might be true, but you just don't know. So...don't. ;p very true. ppl sometimes forget tat alot of pvp players (like me) played alot of pve before i started pvp.
deadmonkey4u
Rank does not directly correlate to being leet at pve or w/e ;however, earning a high rank requires time playing the game and playing competently.
Consider this scenario: your in town and theirs 2 monks that are lfg (i know its highly unlikely) would you take a rank 6 monk or the guy that doesn't have a title? At the very least the rank6 guy probably knows how to heal well while the other guy you have no information on. Does that mean the other guy is worse? No, but most likely the rank 6 guy would do the job better. Agreed with the statement that a large portion of the pvp'ers also have pve'ed alot (I personally acquired about 6mil in gold ectos etc..., capped all elites for my primary proffession, and finished the game multiple times before moving on to the pvp scene and aquiring almost rank8 and guild leadership of a top 100 guild). I would display my rank anyday in pve since I have no desire to earn random protector titles that would consume time for little reward other then the title. At the very least I would say the rank would make me a more desireable choice then a untitled guy (not saying that rank means more in pve then pve titles but it should still count for more then the average player without any title)
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I don't bother to invite anyone that displays their Hero title in PvE.
If they're Rank elitists, then why even bother partying with them? We all know Rank means nothing in PvE, they might be worse than new players. I think it's stupid that some people would deny a ranked player a spot in a group simply because they decided to show off their accomplishment. I mean, isn't that why we have titles in the first place? I could care less if you favor ranked people when pugging, but denying someone a spot simply because they display their Hero title is no better than the jackass spamming his bambi. Sometimes the GW community makes me sad to be associated with it.
Bluefeather
I am not ranked and im not working for it and most probably won't until I am over with this game. But the discrimination is not only on the Ranked players. I was playing my 99th character (i'm exaggerating) and I paid a runner that brought me to Droknar and "walk" to Ice Cave to do the mission. I was only level 8, so I just "clicked" on every team and I was hoping someone will pick me up.
One team picked me up only to make fun of me because I was noob, I was "runned"  that I was no good. And then they kicked me.So i decided to do it with henchmen. I finished the mission and I pm'ed the team leader of the party that kicked me out if they are already done with the mission coz i couldn't find them in Iron Mines. He replied to me that they were "re-doing" the mission because they got wiped out in the bridge and they can't still make it on the second try. I didn't bother to tell them about the lever. They are too elite to be told of a very simple trick. So, Ranked or not-Ranked is just the same. Ranked guys wouldn't play with un-ranked pve players. PVE players won't play with low-level players in high-level map. The reason: both groups think other people are not good as them. So, why the unranked guys criticize the ranked guys looking for fellow ranked players when they refuse to play with below level 20 players? true glory
Throughout Factions I've seen a lot of "starting R3+ only group to do mission!!!" and my most favorite from Dragons Throat "R6 WARRIOR LF MORE PEOPLE FOR MISSION, WILL GET TOP SCORE, INVITE AND I WILL GIVE YOU BUILD!" Pfft, give me a break xD just cause you give someone a build doesn't mean they're going to know how to use it :x I was was partying with a friend of mine and we joined just to see how it would go. Throughout the whole mission he kept whining and moaning about how we weren't fast enough and we were too slow and how we suck and so on and so forth, we ended up failing but had a lot of laughs on the way.
I think the only other experience I've had with a person who let their rank be known was in Thirsty River, I was helping some guildies through the mission and we had a few spots open so we decided to take a couple pug's. A warrior was requesting to join us and thats just what we needed so I accepted, while the mission timer was going he ran up and flashed his wolf at me. We started the mission and I was the healing monk, 2 minutes into the mission and I was about to keel over. The rank 6 warrior would rush into the devourers use Frenzy followed up by Endure Pain (all the while his health is dropping drastically) and then run away, literally 90% of my healing went to him! I asked him to try not to aggro so many groups but what did he do, aggro more -.- Thats the last time I ever take a wolf flashing player with me, granted I do realize not everyone with rank is that bad but please don't ever think it makes you any better than those that PvE. But I digress, like a lot of people have already mentioned, just ignore those that choose to use their PvP title and create your own team. |
