the newest stupidity.. Rank= pve skill..

Something simular I saw at The Deep. People requesting players with TS only. No n00bs! I explained this person that you don't need TS for The Deep at all. It's teamwork, that's all, but apart from that you can communicate just fine using the hud and teamchat. Got a lot of laughs from many people in the district who agreed.

I also saw people showing off their rank emotes in The Deep. Even more silly. The person in question flashing his rank emote defended this by claiming that his rank emote was proof of his skill. But I told him that it was either proof of pvp-experience only, of proof of massive iway-farming. Something that requires little to no skill at all.

Personally if someone has the title "Defender of Tyria" then I am much more convinced of that person's pve skill.



BTW - I'm aware of the fact that for the last boss of The Deep it does come in handy of TS, but I don't find it a requirement for a well coordinated team. The deep requires communication and teamwork, ts/vent makes that easier but they are still just tools, like a pvp build - when used correctly by good players its very effective. Ebay sells rank, put a stop to that and perhaps the rank will have more meaning. Flashing rank in the deep is not helping anyone find a *good* group as far as I can see, perhaps for chest runs...I dunno. Just the same TS is just another indicator, if you are unwilling to take the 5 minutes to download and install it, is it worth the gamble bringing you along on a 2-3 hour trip? A good group will usually also be open to taking first timers, everyone has to learn once... My first time in the deep was with a very good group I got a few minutes of coaching during party formation (over TS), we finished without a problem, nuff said. While its true that many of you fought long and hard for your emotes and deserve respect for that, its also true that just as there is a big difference from gvg to hoh so is there a difference from either of those to pve. Every mission and quest within pve is different as well. Every arena has its nuances, being aware of these nuances, knowing what to expect and how to respond are all thats necessary. What makes a team can't be gotten with any title, its communication and looking out for each other, being willing to sacrifice for the team (not o noes, the entire party is dead except for me and the monk, I better run right at him and bring the aggro over there so he can heal me) and I'm sure a few other sbtle nuances.
In conclusion rhip in tombs or whatever you wanna call it these days, but in pve it _proves_ (i did not say it means nothing) absolutely nothing. It doesnt prove you are a good healer, you may have been a resolve trapper for getting rank who knows? It doesn't prove adaptability. It has never proved an indicator of good teamwork - a pug is STILL a pug no matter how many R3+ are in it. Conversely rank has been on average a slightly better surface indicator, but theres been some spectacularly bad team players anyways. If you want to succeed in either pve OR pvp, make a guild/friends group, work together and become a team.

And some people actually deserve the accusation. Rank 8 warrior at Boreas Seabead ignored the leader's recommendation to wait for the enemies to come to them (so terrain wouldn't be in the way). Instead, he rushed in alone and didn't carry a self heal, screaming "heal me!". It's an easy enough mission, but multiple people died because of Mr. Rank 8's stupidity.

I can't imagine anyone who got their rank through anything other than IWAY being this bad. He had 15k armor, too. So does that make him an IWAYing Ebayer? Well, usually a ranked person expects the monks to take energy management so they can get through the mission fast, but most pve monks have NO energy management at all and are drained of all energy and need to take a break after every mob. When i play pve i usually rush everything expecting the monk to heal, dont tell me they cant keep up with healing because that is pure bs, i finished pve with my monk and never ever had to wait to regen all my energy back after a mob (hell, i would aggro mobs myself when my team had to regen), and finished every mission on my first try.

The deep requires communication and teamwork, ts/vent makes that easier but they are still just tools, like a pvp build - when used correctly by good players its very effective. Ebay sells rank, put a stop to that and perhaps the rank will have more meaning. Flashing rank in the deep is not helping anyone find a *good* group as far as I can see, perhaps for chest runs...I dunno. Just the same TS is just another indicator, if you are unwilling to take the 5 minutes to download and install it, is it worth the gamble bringing you along on a 2-3 hour trip? A good group will usually also be open to taking first timers, everyone has to learn once... My first time in the deep was with a very good group I got a few minutes of coaching during party formation (over TS), we finished without a problem, nuff said. While its true that many of you fought long and hard for your emotes and deserve respect for that, its also true that just as there is a big difference from gvg to hoh so is there a difference from either of those to pve. Every mission and quest within pve is different as well. Every arena has its nuances, being aware of these nuances, knowing what to expect and how to respond are all thats necessary. What makes a team can't be gotten with any title, its communication and looking out for each other, being willing to sacrifice for the team (not o noes, the entire party is dead except for me and the monk, I better run right at him and bring the aggro over there so he can heal me) and I'm sure a few other sbtle nuances.
In conclusion rhip in tombs or whatever you wanna call it these days, but in pve it _proves_ (i did not say it means nothing) absolutely nothing. It doesnt prove you are a good healer, you may have been a resolve trapper for getting rank who knows? It doesn't prove adaptability. It has never proved an indicator of good teamwork - a pug is STILL a pug no matter how many R3+ are in it. Conversely rank has been on average a slightly better surface indicator, but theres been some spectacularly bad team players anyways. If you want to succeed in either pve OR pvp, make a guild/friends group, work together and become a team. I remember people used to say the same thing about FOW: "you need TS, or Ventro, in order to beat it". That lasted for---what---a week? I never had to go there with a PUG that needed it, and we used to clear out FOW regularly...

It's a helpful tool, but that's all it is..a tool. In about 2-3 months, you'll hear, "Man, you dont need TS for the Deep..what are you, a noob?"...

I remember people used to say the same thing about FOW: "you need TS, or Ventro, in order to beat it". That lasted for---what---a week? I never had to go there with a PUG that needed it, and we used to clear out FOW regularly...

It's a helpful tool, but that's all it is..a tool. In about 2-3 months, you'll hear, "Man, you dont need TS for the Deep..what are you, a noob?"... if i want make a team who require ts/vent what is wrong about this?

i dont need it ? sure

its usefull? sure

if i have a server , ventrillo and i spare enough time to make a group who can use voice comm why i should not?

so what's wrong with having a title? Nothing wrong with having a Title, you just have to know when and where to use it. Unfotunatly Titles have been abusede by some, who didn't know any better. Have 2 Titles, but they only have a meaning in the country they originat, so I don't use them in the US. Same thing with PvP Titles, in Arenas the have a meaning, getting a pug they don't mean anything.

I once saw a "r3+ Tombs B/P group" that was taking r3 people only because tombs was too hard with unranked.

I joined them, got on their TS server, and laughed at them.

I'm banned from that server now. That is FUNNY! It takes a grand total of ONE successful trip through Tombs for any member of a B/P group to learn the best way of doing it! (How much fame does one get for that? hehe!)

1. This post is not about bragging (altho I like it sometimes)
2. I read a bit what the thread is about and like to know what the "professionals" think of it
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The case:
I'm rank 9+ and completed everything in Factions with 7 henchies (myself being r/mo) in 5 days including 92,6% of worldmap and 175 elite skills... (cause 5 weren't available)

So... I'm a pvp player but a noob in pve?
Or was it pve player and noob in pvp?

My point:
kind of a useless discussion going on here, don't you think. If you meet noobs on your path.. well that happens, you were one too.


* If you wonder why I use Henchmen in PvE... It works faster cause I don't need a party for running quests. And missions are far to easy um...not to be rude...but yead...iam pretty sure thats a bunch of BS. there are atleast 1-2 mission in faction impossible with henchies. gyala and raisu are the ones that comes to mind. and i could type out the math behind why getting 175 elite, 92.6% maped and "everything" in faction is impossible, but common sense will prove it for me.

being a ranger your clestrial skills+henchies<shiro and his shirokens.

um...not to be rude...but yead...iam pretty sure thats a bunch of BS. there are atleast 1-2 mission in faction impossible with henchies. gyala and raisu are the ones that comes to mind. and i could type out the math behind why getting 175 elite, 92.6% maped and "everything" in faction is impossible, but common sense will prove it for me.

being a ranger your clestrial skills+henchies<shiro and his shirokens. *Knowing its not the place for this but when I'm not believed I want to reply*

1. I DID all missions with henchies.
Add. Vizunah Square, wasnt even aware that there was another team tbh. Heard it afterwards. Raisu palace, just be careful with agro. Unwalking waters, I had 15 henchies, there was no-one there. Gayla, use the smoke things BUT clear the whole area before walking towards the turles is an option too. Eternal Grove, I had one singer left standing.

2. I HAD 92,6% cause a Tyrian char could get up to 94%!

3. I HAD all elite skills capped that where available.
I played every map for uncovering and wrote down where the bosses are. Having 1000K and 4.000.000xp I could affort some capture signets and I re-entered every area until I had all elites and moved onwards.

*everything is all quests/missions. Yes also mapping Arborstone, you could finish it when entering from the north, die and get ressed at the shrine on the lower part of the map ^^
Common sense was wrong, sorry to dissapoint.

1. I DID all missions with henchies.
Add. Vizunah Square, wasnt even aware that there was another team tbh. Heard it afterwards. Raisu palace, just be careful with agro. Unwalking waters, I had 15 henchies, there was no-one there. Gayla, use the smoke things BUT clear the whole area before walking towards the turles is an option too. Eternal Grove, I had one singer left standing.

2. I HAD 92,6% cause a Tyrian char could get up to 94%!

3. I HAD all elite skills capped that where available.
I played every map for uncovering and wrote down where the bosses are. Having 1000K and 4.000.000xp I could affort some capture signets and I re-entered every area until I had all elites and moved onwards.

Common sense is wrong, sorry to dissapoint. wow...all that in just 5 days. iam not even gonna bother with this anymore, theres just so many problems with what you said. But yeah not bore enough to deal with it. ppl are smart enough to believe what they want or say what they want. but...wow...

"having a rank just suggests you have basic common sense which to be quite frank is all these laughably easy missions require."
lol...no...having a rank just means that you either
1. have good friends
2. grind hoh maps
3. ebay
i don't know why ppl think rank and common sense go together.

and yes i agree that ppl can be good at both pve and pvp...but "I'm rank 9+ and completed everything in Factions with 7 henchies (myself being r/mo) in 5 days including 92,6% of worldmap and 175 elite skills... (cause 5 weren't available)". seriously? you find nothing wrong with that?

"Shiro is simple with a ranger... hell with good timing you can interrupt his Impossible Odds! And a properly timed celestial stance > him."
LMAO...um...a r/mo disrupting impossible odds? wow must be psychic.

wow...now i remember why i rarely bothers to agrue with ppl.