10 Reasons Why Monks Hate PUGs.
Orbberius
PvE monks can get away with any crappy-ass build. I especially like how almost all PvE monks bring ZERO energy-management, and need little coffee breaks every once in a while to get their energy back. Learn to bring energy-management plz.
Medion
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Monks deserve just as much respect as anyone, nothing more because they are monks, they may deserve more because they are good/nice players, not because they are monk.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Orbberius
PvE monks can get away with any crappy-ass build. I especially like how almost all PvE monks bring ZERO energy-management, and need little coffee breaks every once in a while to get their energy back. Learn to bring energy-management plz.
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When i'm monking FoW i take Heal Other and Seed as my highest cost spells. Even then i rarely use Other, plenty of spare energy for when i do need it.
The monks that bring Heal Party, Aegis, Other, Breeze that have no concept of energy are entirely different from those who just don't bring methods to regen there own. A monk that is calling for energy within the first 30 seconds of a small fight is a prime example. If this is the sorta monk you were getting at then i apologise.
And no, PvE monks can't get away with anything. Whining about particular skills because you don't like them isn't helping anyone, wondering 'why is that monk casting Mending' and not saying anything is exactly why they get away with it.
Kern Wolf
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Originally Posted by Orbberius
PvE monks can get away with any crappy-ass build. I especially like how almost all PvE monks bring ZERO energy-management, and need little coffee breaks every once in a while to get their energy back. Learn to bring energy-management plz.
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And as far as needing little coffee breaks, it's not a race I'm undertaking; I want to FINISH the mission. Those little coffee breaks may give other members of your group time to regen, and maybe talk a little strategy (you know what that is, right?)
Helll is for Heroes
I usually am fine when i play monk in PvE or PvP.
Its actually quite rare for me to see any other player to tell me how i should do my job.
I just play along with everyone, we lose, we lose. We win, we win. The last thing i need is to be even more pissed off than i am and piss others off too.
this isnt heroes ascent/GvG, you dont have 5-20 minutes of constant healing/protecting to do.
Its actually quite rare for me to see any other player to tell me how i should do my job.
I just play along with everyone, we lose, we lose. We win, we win. The last thing i need is to be even more pissed off than i am and piss others off too.
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Originally Posted by Orbberius
PvE monks can get away with any crappy-ass build. I especially like how almost all PvE monks bring ZERO energy-management, and need little coffee breaks every once in a while to get their energy back. Learn to bring energy-management plz.
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Dove_Song
I like coffee.....
I have seen many many varities of monks.
I only know a few good ones.....so rather than complaining I desided to try it out myself and see how I could do.
I gotta say being a monk is not very fun.
Even if you're low maintenance like the one I made (bonder-yes yes feel free to snicker at me).
All you do is watch health bars .....and spam the same mantra/signet....half the time I have no idea where we are....my eyes start to glaze over.
It really isn't much fun then to have an assassin out pace his enchants and they drop..... -_-
It really is a thankless job, but then so are many others. I can't see why those who enjoy playing them enjoy them.
I am not saying I enable their snobbish behavior.....usualy the crappiest ones have the worst attitudes.
I just have a hard time getting the hang of it.....sure enough if I use healing seed the party scatters every which way.
I get fussed at for stopping to use my signet every 10 seconds or so.....like we are in a huge race or something.
So I just am like..."You want life bond and life barrior on you I gotta use this signet every so often okay GEEZE."
I have seen many many varities of monks.
I only know a few good ones.....so rather than complaining I desided to try it out myself and see how I could do.
I gotta say being a monk is not very fun.
Even if you're low maintenance like the one I made (bonder-yes yes feel free to snicker at me).
All you do is watch health bars .....and spam the same mantra/signet....half the time I have no idea where we are....my eyes start to glaze over.
It really isn't much fun then to have an assassin out pace his enchants and they drop..... -_-
It really is a thankless job, but then so are many others. I can't see why those who enjoy playing them enjoy them.
I am not saying I enable their snobbish behavior.....usualy the crappiest ones have the worst attitudes.
I just have a hard time getting the hang of it.....sure enough if I use healing seed the party scatters every which way.
I get fussed at for stopping to use my signet every 10 seconds or so.....like we are in a huge race or something.
So I just am like..."You want life bond and life barrior on you I gotta use this signet every so often okay GEEZE."
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Kern Wolf
This statement is obviously a joke. I think what you mean to say is, YOU might get away with a crappy-ass build. I don't make crappy-ass builds with my monk.
And as far as needing little coffee breaks, it's not a race I'm undertaking; I want to FINISH the mission. Those little coffee breaks may give other members of your group time to regen, and maybe talk a little strategy (you know what that is, right?) |
What am i trying to say? You really don't need coffee breaks, or at least not 100s of em. If you have anywhere over 1/2 your energy you should be ok to take on the next small group. If somehow your group is dieing vs 2 Rangers and an Abyssal you need to rethink your build, not wait for regen.
That or tell the morons in the team that enjoy standing together vs Barrage to move...
The problem is when your a monk you notice the inconsiderate people more. You know the types, people with SS that just stand there near teammates and attack. If they knew how to teamplay in the slightest they'd move there useless character out of the way. I've almost been killed several times on my ele while standing next to a Shadow Beast (why run, they suck) when some tit of a warrior ran upto me and starts spamming skills, they could've gone round the other side of it, but did they hell.
Dove, been a monk can be fun. Been a bonder... your kidding me. I've only ever found 1 person who actually said he found bonding fun. Its the worst job in a team next to Stance Tank.
Dove_Song
did I mention I have a stance tank too? /cry ><
leprekan
I know at least 100 people in guild wars. The funny thing is ALL of them have a monk myself included. I would bet this is closer to the norm for most players. With that being said ... why in the $#@! do you monks think you are special? GET OVER YOURSELF. There are just as many bonehead monks as there are other classes. If Anet ever fixes the healer henchies these types of threads will go bye bye. The ego maniacs posting about how bad their team mates are tend to be the first to rage quit a group. I will take a pug loaded with morons that stay over an ego maniac that rages the group the first sign of trouble.
Jas D
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Originally Posted by Medion
You are the kind of monk that I don't want to play with..EVER!
Monks deserve just as much respect as anyone, nothing more because they are monks, they may deserve more because they are good/nice players, not because they are monk. |
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Originally Posted by Orbberius
PvE monks can get away with any crappy-ass build. I especially like how almost all PvE monks bring ZERO energy-management, and need little coffee breaks every once in a while to get their energy back. Learn to bring energy-management plz.
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If what you say is right though.. I'm probably one of the best monks you'll find. Not to brag, I'd just rather be a monk instead of being an ass. And I don't really like failing in whatever I'm doing so I don't have to do it more than once.
Servant of Kali
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nice first post there
I would love to make one about Assassins... but im trying to be nice So can someone else do it plssss ?
Like, assassin problem: "boohooo hooo, no one wants us in a pve group"
Me: Ok, i'll do exception and this time let 2 assassins in the group
Assassin #1: BRB! (as soon as we left outpost, he obviously just wanted to pick the quest when it's done)
Assassin #2: PMs me with "Fag" and quits (note: i didnt do anything to deserve that as we just got out of outpost. I think he didnt like our team with 3Rts even tho i switched to healing just for the group - and btw we went back to town picked up another people n actually managed to do the quest just about right, and fast).
Now, as you have guessed, this is the last time i accepted assassin in my pve group. The WMo of Cantha. No thx. People call me names and say im prejudiced blabla, but i had experience with them (oh warriors too of course) in monastery area as well. What did i do at that time? "GLF x more, no assassins or warriors". We ended with 3 mesmers, and guess what, totally pwned the mission. Which i failed 2x before that with noob warriors/assassins.
It would be cool if someone could make Assassin thread similiar to this, just abit harsh on them
ps: no, dont tell me you're one of those 0,1% good assassins. I dont wanna test my luck
nice first post there
I would love to make one about Assassins... but im trying to be nice
So can someone else do it plssss ?Like, assassin problem: "boohooo hooo, no one wants us in a pve group"
Me: Ok, i'll do exception and this time let 2 assassins in the group
Assassin #1: BRB! (as soon as we left outpost, he obviously just wanted to pick the quest when it's done)
Assassin #2: PMs me with "Fag" and quits (note: i didnt do anything to deserve that as we just got out of outpost. I think he didnt like our team with 3Rts even tho i switched to healing just for the group - and btw we went back to town picked up another people n actually managed to do the quest just about right, and fast).
Now, as you have guessed, this is the last time i accepted assassin in my pve group. The WMo of Cantha. No thx. People call me names and say im prejudiced blabla, but i had experience with them (oh warriors too of course) in monastery area as well. What did i do at that time? "GLF x more, no assassins or warriors". We ended with 3 mesmers, and guess what, totally pwned the mission. Which i failed 2x before that with noob warriors/assassins.
It would be cool if someone could make Assassin thread similiar to this, just abit harsh on them
ps: no, dont tell me you're one of those 0,1% good assassins. I dont wanna test my luck
leprekan
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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
lol
nice first post there I would love to make one about Assassins... but im trying to be nice So can someone else do it plssss ?Like, assassin problem: "boohooo hooo, no one wants us in a pve group" Me: Ok, i'll do exception and this time let 2 assassins in the group Assassin #1: BRB! (as soon as we left outpost, he obviously just wanted to pick the quest when it's done) Assassin #2: PMs me with "Fag" and quits (note: i didnt do anything to deserve that as we just got out of outpost. I think he didnt like our team with 3Rts even tho i switched to healing just for the group - and btw we went back to town picked up another people n actually managed to do the quest just about right, and fast). Now, as you have guessed, this is the last time i accepted assassin in my pve group. The WMo of Cantha. No thx. People call me names and say im prejudiced blabla, but i had experience with them (oh warriors too of course) in monastery area as well. What did i do at that time? "GLF x more, no assassins or warriors". We ended with 3 mesmers, and guess what, totally pwned the mission. Which i failed 2x before that with noob warriors/assassins. It would be cool if someone could make Assassin thread similiar to this, just abit harsh on them ps: no, dont tell me you're one of those 0,1% good assassins. I dont wanna test my luck |
You want someone to make a thread to bash a class that came crippled from anet? Pathetic.
Tijger
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Originally Posted by leprekan
I doubt you had an assassin out of the blue pm you calling names when unprovoked. They are generally so happy to get a group they are quiet.
You want someone to make a thread to bash a class that came crippled from anet? Pathetic. |
Bad players exist in every class and right now, assassins seem to contain the highest proportion of bad players unfortunately. I dont think the class is at fault at all but the players definitely are.
Anyway, this is a thread about monks & pugs and quite frankly, if you dont have a group of friends with monks chars you are hard pressed to find decent human monks nowadays and more then one of those monks (myself included) will not monk for PUGs anymore because of all the stupidity and abuse they get.
Markaedw
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Originally Posted by Orbberius
PvE monks can get away with any crappy-ass build. I especially like how almost all PvE monks bring ZERO energy-management, and need little coffee breaks every once in a while to get their energy back. Learn to bring energy-management plz.
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Only stupid charging adrenaline wammos don't have enrgy problems (and how many threads are against them).
So Orberius with that attitude, when my monk "Aslan Nian" is in a group with you, please let me know so I can leave it.
Now the elitest attitude of some monks. We do get a little cranky when we are ignored, most monks have played the game several times before we go to monk. When my monk goes on a mission I have beaten it before with my other characters. I know what that next room has in store, and if I say we need to wait a few, it is because I know what is going to happen.
In defense of assassins, assassins aren't supposed to go after the warrior first; thats the warrior's job. The assassin goes after the casters. A couple of sins, with the right build can decimate the back line and move out before any one can get to them. A good assassin can skip the warriors and the rangers, gut the casters, then finish of the rest at his leisure.
Swinging Fists
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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
Now, as you have guessed, this is the last time i accepted assassin in my pve group. The WMo of Cantha. No thx. People call me names and say im prejudiced blabla, but i had experience with them (oh warriors too of course) in monastery area as well. What did i do at that time? "GLF x more, no assassins or warriors". We ended with 3 mesmers, and guess what, totally pwned the mission. Which i failed 2x before that with noob warriors/assassins.
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Maybe if you were a better player, you could handle people's inexperience in such low level areas. Maybe you could actually help them instead.
BTW, congratulations on "totally pwn"ing the Minister Cho's Estate mission. That's quite an accomplishment.
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Originally Posted by Kern Wolf
And as far as needing little coffee breaks, it's not a race I'm undertaking; I want to FINISH the mission. Those little coffee breaks may give other members of your group time to regen, and maybe talk a little strategy (you know what that is, right?)
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Kern Wolf
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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists
You mean you experienced new players in the Monastery ? Ya don't say...
Maybe if you were a better player, you could handle people's inexperience in such low level areas. Maybe you could actually help them instead. BTW, congratulations on "totally pwn"ing the Minister Cho's Estate mission. That's quite an accomplishment. I guess you don't have Factions ? Fact is, in Factions, it IS a race to finish the mission. Thanks to ANet. |
leprekan
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Originally Posted by Tijger
Oh please, lets get real here, I had an assassin today at Arborstone who immediately quit after we killed to the first Warden boss because he wanted the elite. So doubt it all you want but experience tells otherwise unfortunately.
Bad players exist in every class and right now, assassins seem to contain the highest proportion of bad players unfortunately. I dont think the class is at fault at all but the players definitely are. Anyway, this is a thread about monks & pugs and quite frankly, if you dont have a group of friends with monks chars you are hard pressed to find decent human monks nowadays and more then one of those monks (myself included) will not monk for PUGs anymore because of all the stupidity and abuse they get. |
Thom
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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists
Have you tried monking with a pet ? Has your pet ever died during battle ? And who do you help in the seconds after your pet dies ?
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I'm not saying that monks should bring stupid builds, but you can do your job in PvE without optimizing.
Omega X
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Originally Posted by leprekan
I also have a monk with more than 1,000 hours played on it ... I have NEVER gotten "abuse" for my healing. If you do perhaps it is time to reflect upon YOUR skill set. The high and mighty routine is so worn out it isn't funny.
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I've NEVER played with ANYONE who hasn't gotten flak from some ass who thought that he/she was the bomb and everyone else was extra weight.
Skillsets have nothing to do with bad attitudes of others.
Markaedw
I hate the timed stuff too, I consider the Master Title as some thing you do after the game is completed, go back through for any master titles, which I don't care about anyway.
I don't go out of my way to slow down or gimp the team, but neither am I fussed if we don't get the title.
I don't go out of my way to slow down or gimp the team, but neither am I fussed if we don't get the title.
Swinging Fists
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Originally Posted by Thom
I've monked with a pet and a bow before on low level missions. I have serious builds as well, but you really don't need an uber build to monk most missions. Taking a pet along is kind of like taking a cap sig; you level the pet and keep the party alive. In a group with two monks, I could monk sufficiently well with 4 monk skills (AoE, Boon, RoF, Guardian).
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It's not about the build. It's not about the skill slot. It's about the party relying on you to be able to heal them, not be blacked out.
If you want to level your pet, why not use henches, or at least let your team know before the mission that you have a pet.
Servant of Kali
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Funny thing is, that situation with elite cap, i had in Prophecies. Yes yes, it was warrior
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But im just curious, how exactly would you "help" a warrior in your team, who runs in at the enemy mob, turns on FRENZY, and gets killed? And he keeps doing that even after you rez him? U know, not all species respond to visual and auditory stimuli.
I can teach the inexperienced, but it doesnt mean i invented the cure for stupidity.
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Anyhow, this is monk discussion i guess so enough of this.
generik
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Originally Posted by leprekan
I know at least 100 people in guild wars. The funny thing is ALL of them have a monk myself included. I would bet this is closer to the norm for most players.
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With that being said ... why in the $#@! do you monks think you are special? GET OVER YOURSELF.
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There are just as many bonehead monks as there are other classes.
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If Anet ever fixes the healer henchies these types of threads will go bye bye.
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Originally Posted by leprekan
The ego maniacs posting about how bad their team mates are tend to be the first to rage quit a group.
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Originally Posted by leprekan
I will take a pug loaded with morons that stay over an ego maniac that rages the group the first sign of trouble.
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Tijger
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Originally Posted by leprekan
I also have a monk with more than 1,000 hours played on it ... I have NEVER gotten "abuse" for my healing. If you do perhaps it is time to reflect upon YOUR skill set. The high and mighty routine is so worn out it isn't funny.
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I dont act 'high and mighty' at all if you actually bothered to read this thread, I clearly state there are many bad monks out there and that I dont consider myself anything special, I think I do allright though and I'm impressed that you can outheal, say for example, someone who is not infused and manages to aggro 6 Jade's and 2 Mursaat all by yourself..I sure as hell couldnt and yes, believe it or not, that person called me a noob for not being able to heal him. You would ofcourse have done better, right?
Swinging Fists
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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
wow thx man you're so helpful
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But im just curious, how exactly would you "help" a warrior in your team, who runs in at the enemy mob, turns on FRENZY, and gets killed? And he keeps doing that even after you rez him?
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I've finished the game a number of times now, with 5 different professions including twice with monks and once with an assassin, and I can't remember a single instance of that type of behavior in any of the harder missions. Sure, people have made mistakes now and again, but we recover and it's not a condemnable offense.
To say you won't accept assassins or whatever in your PUG's is unfortunate. Sometimes I wonder if the highest accomplishment in this game is to get in a PUG as an assassin in the last few missions. I wish less people had your attitude.
Oh, and to keep this on topic, as a monk, I don't mind assassins in the group, but I ask them about their skills before the mission starts. And, as a monk, I play pretty much exclusively in PUGs after the starter island, so I am not one of those who hates PUGs. One thing I don't like about PUGs, whether I'm a monk or not, is people who say either "STFU" or "NOOB". Either of these screams immature brat to me.
Evilsod
Speaking of bad monks, i met 1 today in FoW. He was quite amusing tbh. He started the group by 'trying' to sound like he knew what he was on about. Although after saying he had 500 ectos... started to sound too much like a farmer. Although after our group accidently lured all 3 patrols and a group of Abyssal/Rangers and had to retreat... he made himself so obvious that he was an absolute idiot. His reason for not running? He had Hammstring on him 
After telling him that Shadow Warriors don't even have Hammstring he told me to lay off. Then after we ressed, the next group of Abyssal/Rangers we came across he actually said 'I have Hammstring on me!'. Not only we're there no warriors in sight but the skill would then be called Crippled... and even then lasts for 3 seconds if your fighting Snarling Driftwood! Shortly after telling him to stop making stuff up he leaves.
Oddly enough no-one seemed to care... We even went on to clear half the battlefield and clear the forge with only 1 monk.
What do we have there, a bad monk, and a good monk. With people like that around do you ever wonder WHY monks are entitled to complain? If the other monk is utterly useless, the pressure gets put entirely on you. If the other warrior is useless, people don't care anywhere near as much.
If you have somehow managed to get through playing 1000 hours on your monk without been abused, i would have to say you have never made human contact on this game. It is IMPOSSIBLE to not get abused by complete idiots if you play a monk in groups regularly, well, pugs anyway. if you've somehow got through 1000 hours playing only with friends, why did you bother to post that statement.
After telling him that Shadow Warriors don't even have Hammstring he told me to lay off. Then after we ressed, the next group of Abyssal/Rangers we came across he actually said 'I have Hammstring on me!'. Not only we're there no warriors in sight but the skill would then be called Crippled... and even then lasts for 3 seconds if your fighting Snarling Driftwood! Shortly after telling him to stop making stuff up he leaves.
Oddly enough no-one seemed to care... We even went on to clear half the battlefield and clear the forge with only 1 monk.
What do we have there, a bad monk, and a good monk. With people like that around do you ever wonder WHY monks are entitled to complain? If the other monk is utterly useless, the pressure gets put entirely on you. If the other warrior is useless, people don't care anywhere near as much.
If you have somehow managed to get through playing 1000 hours on your monk without been abused, i would have to say you have never made human contact on this game. It is IMPOSSIBLE to not get abused by complete idiots if you play a monk in groups regularly, well, pugs anyway. if you've somehow got through 1000 hours playing only with friends, why did you bother to post that statement.
Orbberius
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This statement is obviously a joke. I think what you mean to say is, YOU might get away with a crappy-ass build. I don't make crappy-ass builds with my monk.
And as far as needing little coffee breaks, it's not a race I'm undertaking; I want to FINISH the mission. Those little coffee breaks may give other members of your group time to regen, and maybe talk a little strategy (you know what that is, right?) |
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Originally Posted by Markaedw
Which do you suggest, I am unable to find any for healing spells, other than the sigs.
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And the greatest energy management of all: not overhealing. I love watching monks furiously hit orison on the smallest drop of a health bar and then they ping their energy like 20 times.
Also, please don't use minus-energy-regen items as your main set ("look dudes, my energy is 75 out of 75! I win!!!). This makes baby Jesus cry.
Markaedw
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Originally Posted by Orbberius
Let's see, Mantra of Recall, Energy Drain, Drain Enchantment, Inspired Hex and Offering of Blood (if you're careful) are some of the best choices. No, they are not healing spells, but that's why characters have secondaries. Signet of Devotion is a nice 0-energy heal. Word of Healing is nice in terms of energy-efficiency if you get the full heal out of it.
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Mantra of Recall; not bad ends just when I need the energy boost, a little tuff for my faction monk to get, but still duable, but I would have to give up Word of Healing.
Energy Drain; agian pretty good, I would rather save my elite for WoH.
Drain Enchantment; not a bad one ofcourse PvE isn't Know for it's enchantmented enimies which makes it unreliable.
Inspired Hex; thats a good one, the 20 second cooldown is problem matic
Offering of Blood; you're kidding right, you want me to sacrifice 20% of my health.
lg5000
If you're using word of healing, you don't really need the energy managment.
Offering of blood is an elite, and still effective.
Enchants are plentiful if you know who to look for in Cantha
No, I have not monked in Cantha, I'm paranoid of my lack of ability
Offering of blood is an elite, and still effective.
Enchants are plentiful if you know who to look for in Cantha
No, I have not monked in Cantha, I'm paranoid of my lack of ability
BowLad21
I decided to give 'sins another try today. A group of 2 monks, a 'sin, and a few others, w/mo, ele, etc. We managed to get halfway through arborstone, however, when the 'sin nearly died (us two monks saved him) he rage quit. 
Assasins are the crippled class, but W/Mo can be the same. Since when do W/Mo use heal area ? >_< that's self-defeating. But a W/Mo did it. I've seen an assasin take the healing from 2 monks- (WoH, Heal Other) spammed, and barely survive. It's like watching a 55s health with healing breeze and no ps.
But monks can also be partly to blame. Monk isn't a day-dreaming class. You can't just hold an xfire conversation, or whisper to your buds.
Assasins are the crippled class, but W/Mo can be the same. Since when do W/Mo use heal area ? >_< that's self-defeating. But a W/Mo did it. I've seen an assasin take the healing from 2 monks- (WoH, Heal Other) spammed, and barely survive. It's like watching a 55s health with healing breeze and no ps.
But monks can also be partly to blame. Monk isn't a day-dreaming class. You can't just hold an xfire conversation, or whisper to your buds.
generik
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Originally Posted by Orbberius
Let's see, Mantra of Recall, Energy Drain, Drain Enchantment, Inspired Hex and Offering of Blood
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Francis Demeules
I created a monk since Saturday and I can say all what Summer has said is true
Happen to me (Bold) during my first experience, step by step
Happen to me (Bold) during my first experience, step by step
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Originally Posted by Summer
10. No we don't want to buy your suPAR LEET staff OF HEALing
PoWAR!@# We already have our gear and if we are searching we'll use auctions or other means. Don't hold up the party trying to show us your uber gearz! Sorry I prefer wielding my little Kephket Refuge than anyone who try to trade the Wenslauss' Faith 9. Don't spread out - Look it's not *that* important that you, as the warrior, run to the NEXT group of monsters to show us how 1337 you are by killing them all by yourself. You put monsters in between yourself and the monks, you die. Remember there is no I in Team!! Try to tell them Summer: Dont rush plz. They dont know Rush in their dictionnary 8. If you get aggro, don't hide behind us. Look... it's simple, there are usually lots of places to run if a monster hits you but when you run behind your monks... well, guess who gets hit!? We can't keep you alive if we are dead. The shout "retreat!" is a bad idea when the monks are dead 7. If we do die, please please please do not rebirth us in the middle of a battle. You see, if we are lucky enough to run away from the monster standing on top of us when we are rezzed, we start with about 1/4 of our health, ZERO energy and an eight second delay of our skills. Before that, I never thought how monks felt after Rebirth. I got my first experience of Rebirth and I can say we die faster soon we rez if we cant heal now 6. Don't stand in unnecessary spots. We are not all tanks. If your skills hit from afar, why do you think you need to stand next to the warrior to cast them? Backrun option stills inexist to you? C'mon5. Dont start out with gogogogo - When we are ready we'll tell you. Impatience makes us hate you from the start. Please don't act like you are 9... Maybe you are, I don't know. Starting with gogogo really makes me sick (no matter which Char I play). Patience is a Vertue. You dont have patience, to bad for you. /out 4. Don't expect us to join a group without another monk. Being a monk is hard work and takes constant attention. Don't be offended because we won't join your group of 6 warriors and 1 ranger. One monk is only a team of 4 to 6 players (until crystal desert). When you arrive with 8 players, you better get 2 monks instead 1. 3. Don't continously invite us to your group. If we wanted to play with you we would have joined your group the first time. Inviting us over and over doesn't make us more eager to help you. Enter D'Alessio Seaboard with my Cathan monk....... 6 invitations!...... hmmm ok... remove one and put again 2. If you die don't sit there and shout "Rez me! Rez me!!" We are fully aware that you are dead, there is a big dark red patch under your name where your health *used* to be. When the time is right we will rez you. lol, true, try to rez someone in the middle of a battle in Vizunah Square 1. If you die do not blame us!! Look things happen, but do you think you make us more eager to heal if you complain that we let you die? Don't count on it, I'll save my energy to heal someone that appreciates their monks. Got my first blame (not surprise by Wammo (no brain, not the smarter one) the only thing I always regret is: Damn, I forgot Vengeance! |
generik
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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules
I created a monk since Saturday and I can say all what Summer has said is true
Happen to me (Bold) during my first experience, step by step |
All that in a mere 35 hours of play.
In contrast my new ranger is still stuck in Marketplace, and I really dread to go back and endure the experience of having to LFG for eons.
SasquatchTimeToDie
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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
wow thx man you're so helpful, why dont u go there then and help those poor people? If i was a better player yada yada yada. Do i look like a charity to you? I just want to play the game with normal people. Normal people. U know.
But im just curious, how exactly would you "help" a warrior in your team, who runs in at the enemy mob, turns on FRENZY, and gets killed? And he keeps doing that even after you rez him? U know, not all species respond to visual and auditory stimuli. I can teach the inexperienced, but it doesnt mean i invented the cure for stupidity. |
Gimmie a break.
generik
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Originally Posted by SasquatchTimeToDie
Because if you wre a Warrior, in your first ever Guild Wars game, in the first ever mission, you would intuitively know not to use Frenzy, right? Because you would know 100% the game mechanics, after mere minutes of play, to realize that the 2x damage to self isn't worth the 33% damage boost to others, right?
Gimmie a break. |
I'd say YES to your weak attempt at sacarasm. You know why? Because long long before your very first mission, you would have had the chance to do not only the skill quests for your primary, but the skill quests for your secondary as well, before you could even have done Master Cho's estate.
But anyway we are talking about lvl 20 content here, meaning missions that are in mainland Cantha.
If you cannot somehow fathom that frenzy = you die quick after fighting through hordes of afflicted on starter isles, well, good luck to you, you certainly do lack something up there.
Keats
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Originally Posted by Thom
The position monks are naturally in as support characters and health managers gives them a unique perspective within a pug.
Monks actually have to pay attention to the location and health of other players, so they will catch everyone's mistakes. (You also see the skills being cast by players getting owned... often amusing.) This can be incredibly frustrating therefore the original list. The evidence of a monk failing is fairly evident and bad players will blame this failure on a monk. The lack of efficient damage leads to longer battles, less energy and eventual failure. This is almost always overlook by a bad PUG. You really don't need an optimized player to run a monk, but it requires a bit more awareness and decision making. Rebirth is a good skill at times. Boon prot can be run with 13 DF (often happens in pvp f you are rune swapping). Amazingly you can skill monk efficiently with a pet (it is one skill slot and 0 attirbutes). If people scrutinized any build as much as they scrutinized monks, PuGs would be much more efficient. Monks aren't angry without cause, but any one good monk should be able to take a group through all but the toughest missions. I see no problem with such a monk charging for his services; runners do it regularly. |
in fact, I totally /agree with the points the op listed too. whether someone cosideres them arrogant and elitist or not. some effect other classes or all, which makes them even more true not false.
there are moderate to good players of every class and well, bad too. all errors that can be made are already listed in various posts in this thread. I've played all classes except elementalist in every scenario guildwars offers, so I think it's nonexaggerated to say I'm an experienced guildwars player.
to come to the point I'd like to say: it seems there are lots of new players in factions who insist to make their errors with great devotion and resist to listen and learn anything from me or any of the other experienced players during missioning and questing through cantha, which is just ridiculous.
playing myself a monk with PUGs, which I do from time to time since it's more often amusing than annoying me - and I like to help some poor mesmers a bit further
, I'd like to remind you. I see everything you do Peace
Kook~NBK~
About "Monk elitism": Why does it happen that every time someone mentions some of the problems that come with playing a monk someone shouts "elitist!"? Do these people think that if you create a monk you'll lose all of your other character slots?
Sephar
I wont complain or moan at the amount of threads put back to this, but honestly isnt time we all started to get along???
I mean come on, I have been playing this game from its beta testing and have had a few occasions where the "top ten" MAY apply.
It seems totally pointless to me when any one gets blamed for that professions job. Healers heal , tanks tank. Thats that. For all those 1337 players out there , get a life cos this is a game. For all you know that "noob" monk may also be a 9 year old kid having some fun on a game that is meant to be fun and enjoyed.
In all my experience I can say that most PUG's i go with will get the job done no matter how hairy the situation gets. However it is abundantly clear that these 1337 players are hurting the game and its community.
As such i would say to anyone who has suffered at the hands of these co called elitist's to **** off and get a life.
As to your top ten summer, yea these are exectable however iam sure all those mesmers , assasins and wammos will be placing their top ten entries as well soon enough.
I mean come on, I have been playing this game from its beta testing and have had a few occasions where the "top ten" MAY apply.
It seems totally pointless to me when any one gets blamed for that professions job. Healers heal , tanks tank. Thats that. For all those 1337 players out there , get a life cos this is a game. For all you know that "noob" monk may also be a 9 year old kid having some fun on a game that is meant to be fun and enjoyed.
In all my experience I can say that most PUG's i go with will get the job done no matter how hairy the situation gets. However it is abundantly clear that these 1337 players are hurting the game and its community.
As such i would say to anyone who has suffered at the hands of these co called elitist's to **** off and get a life.
As to your top ten summer, yea these are exectable however iam sure all those mesmers , assasins and wammos will be placing their top ten entries as well soon enough.
Francis Demeules
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Originally Posted by generik
But hey, you gotta admit that it was extremely easy to find groups as a monk. I finally tacked in the last elite skill today for my new Canthan monk, all GW:P skills, all GW:F skills, 9/13 mastery in Cantha, 9/25 bonuses in Tyria (well the worst 9 I'd say, the rest are easy ones like Northern wall etc)
All that in a mere 35 hours of play. In contrast my new ranger is still stuck in Marketplace, and I really dread to go back and endure the experience of having to LFG for eons. |
Of topic about monk: if you're stuck with your ranger not finding a group, look my mesmer, found no group and Im at Cavalon/House zu Hetzer quite faster than everybody who search another monks (take Hench if you can't afford a monk and dont stay here about 3hour for 1 monk player)
Kern Wolf
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Originally Posted by Orbberius
Heh, strategy in PvE? Now I know who's joking.
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