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Da Cebuano

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Virginia born in Cebu

Jelly Toast[jT]

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01 Jul 2006 at 15:23 - 1

The people who play the game or a bunch of mischievous grimlins

I mean what is up w/ putting in ultimately pointless additions. I mean lets look at it this way, we finally get a storage increase, and w/ so much possibilities, like a 2nd tab of another 25 slots, or a tab for customized(armor, weapons) items, or a simple increase in gold capacity...but NO! they went w/ this:

http://guildwars.com/gameplay/storage/

I mean HOLY CRAP! a slot for each stack of material -_- I mean wow, just who's freaking Idea was that? woo! I got 250 iron in storage just for a rainy day!!

nevermind that most armors require about 400 of em(15ks) while each stack is still capped at 250. I'm sure people w/ a spare stack of ecto/shards/ruby/sapphire will have some use for this, atleast free up some slots or 1. Maybe a novel goal, look for when this update to be incorporated, people in town buying a stack of each material just to say they capped the new storage

I mean wow, I am simply apalled by this

So much potential for new storage space and they made one that is what would've been the buttom of alot of people's list. Don't get me wrong, its better than nothing, and an increase mod for storage is a step in the direct direction, but I wish they wouldn't taken a full step forward increase of doing **** like this. Damn..

/rant

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 15:25 - 2

you are supposed to be poor and not stockpiling ectos

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

01 Jul 2006 at 15:27 - 3

umm.. my storage is overflowing with crafting supplies... which provide less space in my storage for other things... making me have a mule character.

I do have 250+ of every common and less of rares so for me this opens up a large amount of space for me. I may not be that the uncommon situation.

the only thing I could compalin is lack of a "event item" tab / storage.

Mysterial

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Servants of Fortuna

E/Me

01 Jul 2006 at 15:33 - 4

I suspect the reason they went with this is because with predetermined items in the slots and a max of 250 of those items, they can store the data for the entirety of the new storage in exactly 34 bytes (one per item). Allowing any item, especially randomly generated drops, no doubt would take a lot more data. I've never worked on an MMO but I imagine there's some concern over how much space each account takes up.

B??x??44????1@$

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

01 Jul 2006 at 15:33 - 5

Quote:

the only thing I could compalin is lack of a "event item" tab / storage.

AMEN!!!!!!

Yeah, the special fancy event items take up 5 or 6 slots, and I only wear them once or twice a month.

Megla Zero

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

North Carolina

[OS]

01 Jul 2006 at 15:36 - 6

Yeah... I'm with Tempest. I'm one of the "material RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs" of my guild, so my storage used to be overflowing with materials, but lately I've just been moving them onto my lesser used characters so I actually have some room to put useful things into my storage. Unfortunately, by using this method... I end up not knowing when/where I have materials, or how many I have of them... so I've wasted quite a bit of money buying materials that I already had. This is gonna make me a happy camper.

I would almost rather have a seperate "inventory" for your characters, almost like a dresser or wardrobe or something that you could store your armor in. Because, although you only really NEED like.... 1-2 pairs of armor, some people (like myself) like the aesthetics of them, and want to collect different types... which will, unfortunately, make you run out of room very quickly.

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Honor Warriors

E/

01 Jul 2006 at 15:37 - 7

So as soon as anet doesnt something that fits your exact needs, they are doing things wrong?

I think you need to understand how save files work. increasing a players server side save file by just a small amount has huge impact when multiplied by all players. thats why they need effecient ways to store things, and this is one of the ideas they have thought up so far ( and notice they said theyd work on more) by doing it by material and amount, it decreases by alot the amount of information required to be sent.

Ive played quite a few pay per month mmo, and it took some longer to do anything about storage cause the technology wasnt there to do so.

but im quite happy with it so far, cause my storage is full of materials and dyes, all other items stay on the character that needs it.

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

01 Jul 2006 at 15:39 - 8

Yet another begger being a chooser...

xXa1

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

01 Jul 2006 at 15:45 - 9

im pretty happy with the idea, i currently have 3 playable toons doubling as mules (1 for crafting stuff, 1 for runes and dyes, and the last for weapons and mods) and its a bit crazy .... i'd love more tabs like say one for dyes and runes and weapon mods ...

i guess i see the glass as half full and not half empty

Da Cebuano

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Virginia born in Cebu

Jelly Toast[jT]

W/

01 Jul 2006 at 15:46 - 10

Did I ever say it was wrong? nope, you're reading into it bud, I basically said it is ****ed up, although I realize that server side of things are the determining factor, Its just it should've been something a bit more useful as a whole. I'm sure some people are happy knowing they can have 1 stack of mats in their storage, but as a whole, Who gives a rats buttom... I mean damn, a storage for your custo'ed weapons, armors and stuff would've been infinitely more useful. They are custo'd ie out of the market, signitured to your char, I'm sure that atleast takes out some room in the server knowing that item is only assigned to a specific char. Then again, I am not one to make face that I know the technicalities of stuff cause I don't.

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

01 Jul 2006 at 15:53 - 11

One stack, be it a small amount of storage, still frees up my storage mule a few slots :\

Aradia Ashkal

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 15:54 - 12

I also tend to stock pile Crafting materials and truthfully thats all I have currently in storage. I think its important to remember that just because it may not be as useful to you as you'd like, that doesnt make it completly useless and stupid.
I'm willing to bet that material storage will help alot of people me included. For me storage for customization and armor would open maybe 5-6 spaces while material storage could potentially clear my entire storage for other things.

Cash

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Bound By Wild Desire [Wild]

01 Jul 2006 at 16:00 - 13

i firmly believe that this is just a first step. if this works out (functionality-wise) for their servers, i see many new tabs coming in the future.

also, ANET is likely considering an increase to a stack size (im no genious, but i dont see how a 250 stack could be much different than a 999 stack- i know upping it to 1000 would throw things off but as long as its 3 digits it shouldnt be THAT big of a deal). its true a stack of 250 iron in storage wont cover a new armor set, but think if that stack were 999 iron?

lets all just A) be thankful we're getting SOMETHING and B) be patient and see how this plays out.

Hollerith

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 16:01 - 14

Their solution works for me. I'm rather surprised Anet increased storage, since I became somewhat appreciative of their lack of storage space. It really requires you to choose what is valuable enough to keep.

Still clears up 10 slots of my inventory. Plus, I'm more inclined to build up an inventory of silk/linen/etc which may be helpful later on.

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 16:06 - 15

The game was originally designed almost three years ago. Some changes take massive coding changes to accomplish. Any changes to the code base also have to be compatible with future chapters. That's possibly why the expanded storage was set for Factions only (and linked accounts).

The community closest listened to? The Alpha testers. Direct access to the devs is a huge bonus.

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

01 Jul 2006 at 16:07 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Cebuano

The people who play the game or a bunch of mischievous grimlins

I mean what is up w/ putting in ultimately pointless additions. I mean lets look at it this way, we finally get a storage increase, and w/ so much possibilities, like a 2nd tab of another 25 slots, or a tab for customized(armor, weapons) items, or a simple increase in gold capacity...but NO! they went w/ this:

http://guildwars.com/gameplay/storage/

I mean HOLY CRAP! a slot for each stack of material -_- I mean wow, just who's freaking Idea was that? woo! I got 250 iron in storage just for a rainy day!!

nevermind that most armors require about 400 of em(15ks) while each stack is still capped at 250. I'm sure people w/ a spare stack of ecto/shards/ruby/sapphire will have some use for this, atleast free up some slots or 1. Maybe a novel goal, look for when this update to be incorporated, people in town buying a stack of each material just to say they capped the new storage

I mean wow, I am simply apalled by this

So much potential for new storage space and they made one that is what would've been the buttom of alot of people's list. Don't get me wrong, its better than nothing, and an increase mod for storage is a step in the direct direction, but I wish they wouldn't taken a full step forward increase of doing **** like this. Damn..

/rant

The community ANet listens to is the community of the majority. Unfortunately for you, you don't belong to that aparantly. Many people will be happy with this change, because many are stockpiling crafting materials.

peace.

~ Makkert

Da Cebuano

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Virginia born in Cebu

Jelly Toast[jT]

W/

01 Jul 2006 at 16:20 - 17

Please point out where these "majority" hang out cause I'm plenty sure that a "majority" of people wanted storage for armors and stuff like that, infact, I never even heard ingame or online sites of people asking for materials storage, let alone a specific slot of 1 stack each. I know some people here have the "OMG I'm a defender zealot of anet if i'm good enough I get a pat in the back" kind of person, but c'mon, this update was not a reflection of the general community in GW.

Ravious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Servants of Fortuna

N/Mo

01 Jul 2006 at 16:40 - 18

Also, they have knowledge you don't. Do you (the OP and all other naysayers) know what are the most kept items in storage? I would bet money that A.Net researched the statistics on what is in everyone's storage to make sure they would please and affect the most people. I would also bet that they noticed that a large majority of players would have freed slots when they made this addition. They are a clever company that doesn't usually waste their precious resources in the manner some people suggest.

Orbberius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 16:49 - 19

I'm pretty happy with it. I do have a bunch of materials lying around taking up valuable storage space.

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

01 Jul 2006 at 16:51 - 20

I would have liked to have seen that too, runes, dyes, weapon mods, and one for event items but oh well least I can free up 5 slots.

Medion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Netherlands

01 Jul 2006 at 16:57 - 21

Cebuano, you realise that for every slot of material that you free up, an armour can be put into place?
And I honestly don't think that the average number of armour-slots is more than the average number of material slots.

konohamaru heaven

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Some where in Cantha beyond the Petrified Forest and the Jade Sea

The Amazon Basin

01 Jul 2006 at 17:00 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Cebuano

The people who play the game or a bunch of mischievous grimlins

I mean what is up w/ putting in ultimately pointless additions. I mean lets look at it this way, we finally get a storage increase, and w/ so much possibilities, like a 2nd tab of another 25 slots, or a tab for customized(armor, weapons) items, or a simple increase in gold capacity...but NO! they went w/ this:

http://guildwars.com/gameplay/storage/

I mean HOLY CRAP! a slot for each stack of material -_- I mean wow, just who's freaking Idea was that? woo! I got 250 iron in storage just for a rainy day!!

nevermind that most armors require about 400 of em(15ks) while each stack is still capped at 250. I'm sure people w/ a spare stack of ecto/shards/ruby/sapphire will have some use for this, atleast free up some slots or 1. Maybe a novel goal, look for when this update to be incorporated, people in town buying a stack of each material just to say they capped the new storage

I mean wow, I am simply apalled by this

So much potential for new storage space and they made one that is what would've been the buttom of alot of people's list. Don't get me wrong, its better than nothing, and an increase mod for storage is a step in the direct direction, but I wish they wouldn't taken a full step forward increase of doing **** like this. Damn..

/rant

Believe it or not, but alot of people dont horde 500- 1000 of a non currency rare/common crafting material unless they are going to use it. I know I for one am over joyed as i usally sell most of my crafting materials to the merchant cause of the very storage issue. Think of it this way would you rather carry every material you find and take up valueable storage space or have their own designated storage. Anyways why should you have more than 250 of something if your not going to craft with it or sell it

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Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

01 Jul 2006 at 17:01 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash

ANET is likely considering an increase to a stack size (im no genious, but i dont see how a 250 stack could be much different than a 999 stack- i know upping it to 1000 would throw things off but as long as its 3 digits it shouldnt be THAT big of a deal).

FYI - Computer data is stored in "bytes". A byte is 8 bits long. Each bit can be thought of to have a value of either 1 or 0, on or off, etc. So, each byte can store 256 different values. Since the max quantity in any slot if 250, it seems to be the case that they are using one byte to store the quantity. The most they could increase that is to 255 (since they have to allow for 0), without increasing the number of bytes to store it. This is why a "250 stack could be much different than a 999 stack". It likely has nothing to do with the number of digits in the number. You have to think in "binary" as computers do.

Now, if you really think about the extra bytes required to make the enhancement that ANet made vs. the storage that people want that can hold anything is quite significant. As stated above, they are able to transmit all data regarding the extra 34 slots with just 34 bytes. They don't need to trasmit what the spot holds because it can only hold one thing. They only have to transmit the quantity, which only takes one byte per slot. How many bytes would be required to transmit each slot if it could hold anything ? Think of all the combinations of different kinds of armor, body spots, dyes applied in varying combinations, weapons including all the different combinations of mods in differing percentages, whether they are customized or not and for whom they are customized, etc. There is a ton of information that would have to be transfered to identify exactly what it is in each slot. Multiply this by all the players, current and future, and hopefully you get an idea of the increased traffic and storage that such storage increases would cause. I don't know about you, but I don't want ANet making stupid system design decisions to appease some, while in the long-term, destroying the playability of the game.

vinegrower

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Song of the Forsaken

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01 Jul 2006 at 17:07 - 24

This is going to free up a huge amount of storage for me. Not to mention that I will be able to keep items that I have not had space for before.

More storage for armors and weapons? I have about 1 or two armors for each character, and roughly 4 weapon/offhand combinations for each. These are always on each character so I can switch at a moment's notice, so I probably won't put much of them into the storage anyways. If I'm in the middle of a mission and decide I want to switch to armor or weapons, having it in storage isn't going to help me.

DragonFeast

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

My basement.

Hand of Dracul [HD]

01 Jul 2006 at 17:08 - 25

wow.. that made things confusing.

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

01 Jul 2006 at 17:18 - 26

Make a character slot, yes the new storage is low, but stop ya belly aching and make a character mule, A.net gave us more storage and you beg for more. True it's not sufficient but hey, WHAT TO DO?

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

W/

01 Jul 2006 at 17:28 - 27

Take what you can get and be happy.

primal98

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 17:30 - 28

I dont understand though why it took ANET so long to implement something so small... I guess it's a start... hopefully it won't take another year for more improvements.

~prime

Thom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 18:01 - 29

Storage is something where you don't want to build expectations for expansion. At some point you want to force people to make decisions about what they are going to keep and what they are going to sell. The more storage you have, the less valuable your "last item" of storage is. If they double current space, everyone will fill it up with something but most people really won't be storing anything that important (so the utility isn't that high).

Limited storage helps Anet with harddrive space and possibly bandwidth. Limited storage also helps lubricate the economy since it increases the opportunity cost of storage, therefore inducing trade. If we had infinite storage, people would store basically everything interesting that they couldn't sell quickly. There would be less motivation to trade marginally good items and there would be very little reason to trade most materials (even to NPCs).

As soon as Anet starts expanding it won't be "enough" (because we always find a way to fill storage) and Anet would feel pressured to further expand storage. Kind of like a little kid always wants more candy, the mother has to say no to the kid for his own good. We are always going to want more storage, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is a good idea.

chaale

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quebec

Confrérie des Francs-Bûcherons [CFB]

Mo/Me

01 Jul 2006 at 18:04 - 30

I guess the storage is big enough. No need of stacking common materials. I sell them and when I need them, I buy them. Thou shall make much more gold this way and it frees stocking tabs for valuable items. I also do not really care about dyes. I normally sell them and also buy them when I need them. After all dyes are only for styling up your characters. Otherwise, I guess that a special extra storage of 5-8 slots would be great for event items and only for event items.

As mentionned, it would rather overload the servers. You have to think about it. If you give an extra 25 slots to 1 million accounts, it's 25 millions more things for the Arena.Net server to deal with.

Regards,
Chaale

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Honor Warriors

E/

01 Jul 2006 at 18:13 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Cebuano

Did I ever say it was wrong? nope, you're reading into it bud, I basically said it is ****ed up, although I realize that server side of things are the determining factor, Its just it should've been something a bit more useful as a whole. I'm sure some people are happy knowing they can have 1 stack of mats in their storage, but as a whole, Who gives a rats buttom... I mean damn, a storage for your custo'ed weapons, armors and stuff would've been infinitely more useful. They are custo'd ie out of the market, signitured to your char, I'm sure that atleast takes out some room in the server knowing that item is only assigned to a specific char. Then again, I am not one to make face that I know the technicalities of stuff cause I don't.

see you arnt getting it, you dont care about material storage, other people do.

Guees what? I dotn get multiple sets of armor, or have boat loads of weapons for 1 chearcter, so your armor storage would be useless to me. But if they did do that, I wouldnt sit and complain about it cause I understand that Im not the only one that plays the game.

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Honor Warriors

E/

01 Jul 2006 at 18:19 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by primal98

I dont understand though why it took ANET so long to implement something so small... I guess it's a start... hopefully it won't take another year for more improvements.

~prime

its anything but small, with a million+ people playing, and limited server resources, it takes some number crunching to get people more storage without slowing down the servers.

some online rpg's that have montly fees never see storage upgrades.

Mariena Feladon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Netherlands

Silhouette Stars [sil]

Mo/N

01 Jul 2006 at 19:14 - 33

Sigh. Whatever A.net will do, for some people it's just not good enough.

I, for one, am very happy with this addition. My ranger is currently holding 12 slots of resources (12 types too) and it'll be great seeing those 12 types of resources going to the special storage area!

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

01 Jul 2006 at 19:22 - 34

Think of it this way. The material storage is an EXTRA goodie for Factions owners. If it was too "good" then Chapter1 owners will be too "disadvantaged" And plus they didnt HAVE to give us this extra storage...but they did it anyway.

There is also the promised Guild storage....With both material storage and the extra Guild storage, just how can you complain?

But I can understand how it may seem like a dumb decision for the storage to be only one type of material each. But it wasnt dumb at all if you think about it.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

01 Jul 2006 at 19:25 - 35

WOOT! I will free up ONE slot in storage! Would have been nice if you could store more than one stack of the same material. Seriously, that is not asking much.

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 19:25 - 36

Anet just needs to rise the stack limit from 250 to 500 or even 750 and that alone would help everyone so much. While the current stack limit is the true problem to the storage problems that we face atm in my eyes.

Just my 2 cents

shadowfell

hamonite anur ruk

Join Date: Jan 2006

Echovald Forest

[PhD] Teh Academy

Me/A

01 Jul 2006 at 20:43 - 37

While I admit.. pretty much all of my characters have their final armor, so I won't have any real solid use for this tab, and it really isn't what the general populace needed, at this time. It is probably the safest way for arena net to test a tab. Think about it. What would you rather have in the second tab if things go wrong.. your armor? or some wood and dust..

I think I will keep my ectoplasms where they are though.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

01 Jul 2006 at 20:45 - 38

the OP has a point

who is sad enough to store mass materials...

this helped out a few ppl but what about the rest of us?

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

01 Jul 2006 at 21:31 - 39

I think most of you are missing some information here. The new slots will hold CRAFTING MATERIALS and COLLECTABLE DROPS. I'm not sure if they'll let you put dyes in there (they DO stack), but at least now there's an extra place to keep stuff.

Havre Fras

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/Me

01 Jul 2006 at 21:35 - 40

I have 4 stacks of iron and 3 stacks of wood. All in my storage. Why? Nobody will buy them. I'm selling them cheap, too - but still no buyers.

I could turn the wood into parch, yes, but I don't have the money anymore. So for me this storage is barely useful. Can't make a mule since that last slot of mine is for PvP.

Still, though, its better that nothing!