Anti-"Freeloader" Extremists?

I noticed that lately there is a serge of people who hate ANY type of free load.

I was walking to Mineral Springs the other day, we got halfway through Trasca' Demise. I said "brb". So, I go to the bathroom, come back in few minutes to find that my group walked ALL the way back and zoned, then kicked me just to stop me from "Freeloading"

Another time when my group actually made it to Mineral Springs, as soon as we got there my food was ready. I say "Brb, food's done". So, I'm eatting for a bit, look over at the computer and notice that 3 players had left within one minute.
I look at the chat log:
"omg... I gotaa go"
"yah me too"
"same"

What's all this about? Oh well, we spent 30 minutes getting here, but who wants to let someone eat?! I haven't eatten or used the bathroom since the game came out, look at me, I'm fine!

Take henchmen. Half the trouble and they never talk back/boot/quit.

Simple solution: plan your food and toilet breaks. If you join a group five minutes before dinner you're just being selfish - only focused on your own enjoyment, blind to inconveniencing others in the process. Joining a group for exploration, quests or missions is a small commitment you make, with a small bit of responsibility coming along with it.

i understand what you're saying.

but if some guy joined my mission group and said "brb gotta eat" DURING a mission, then that guy needs to be brought back to town. same goes for regular quests. if that guy states he needs to brb for bio needs, then it can be debated over with your group on how long they can be idle before anyone decides to take actions (such as leaving or warping the group to town to dump you [pun not intended])

if it's not a mission, and just pure exploring, sure i can let it slide.

next time, if you KNOW you won't be able to dedicate your time fully into playing the game, then don't join any groups.

If you noticed above it was 30 minutes before. And what, you spend 30 minutes doing something and you can't wait 8 minutes? Or atleast go on ahead? Oh noes, we have 7 out of 8 people in an area with level 21 monsters!

"This team can do fine without me" - if that's the sort of team spirit you bring into a group, they have plenty of other reasons to dump you. If I join a team I'll do my best for them, and I expect them to do the same.

Five minutes or thirty minutes, if you know you can't finish whatever you're committing yourself to, don't start or adequately inform your team of your issue beforehand.

Agreed.
When you join someone's group and goto the toilet or disappear for a few minutes for food, you're wasting everybody's time and you SHOULD be kicked.

The only exception is when you've spent a few hours doing a single mission. You're bound to get hungry or need to go use the washroom.

The time to do these things is:
-Before the Mission / Planning stage.
Most groups neglect to plan anything out. This probably contributes to the cookie cutter build mentality of needing monks every group. Get your skills ready, discuss who's doing what and etc. If people leave your group, they're not the people you should be bringing. If you leave the group... Heh...

-After the mission / Clearing of Inventory.
People are clearing their inventory of all the things they picked up, they're rearranging skills, they're taking a break. While this should be expected a break should be announced anyways.

-During a lull in the mission after a long period of time. A group break / rest / heal should be called for at this point.
After a large number of groups you're bound to be a little tired. This only applies to those really long missions. If you're the group leader, be a leader and announce a five minute break. If you're not, suggest it. If the majority disagree with you, too bad for you. You're going to have to hold it in.

You're playing for fun. Everyone is playing for fun. Don't be a prick and ruin their fun. What goes around comes around.

Truer words have never been spoken. There is nothing more irritating than someone who has just leveled/done the bonus/ been present for 5 mins and then just disappears. Or if it looks like things are going badly, but are still redeemable, and they just leave despite the fact I'm in the middle of raising their sorry carcass. (no pun intended)

Of course the most irritating one of all is "OMG OMG 2% PENALTY TH1S GROOP SUX0RS LOLZ!!!1!!!1" and then promptly buggering off.

Yeah, but I'm not letting my food get cold just so I can cap Amity or something. What's wrong with you people? Don't you do anything other than play the game? You stated DIRECTLY in your posts that you should plan when you need to go to the bathroom. What? How many people do you know can automaticaly say when they'll be needing to go to the bathroom, hours in advance or even minutes?

One day I was playing in a group and one of the members said "Sorry guys, i gotta go pick up my kids from T-ball practice" and one of the other members yelled "OMG that sucks". Seriously. If you're so rapped up in a game that you're upset that someone has to pick up their kids rather than killing Gogazor the Dragon-Lich with you, then you need a mental examination.

So yah, I don't care if you think it's selfish to not starve myself so that
Collhealerzor Monk or Hulio The Paladin can get a skill cap from Wyn Thunderhawk; they can wait. I for one think it's pretty selfish to HAVE to debate over weither another person can use the bathroom half way into a FoW or skill cap run.

Edit: by the way, Decaff, this has NOTHING to do with leavers. It's people getting upset over having to be pacient for 5 minutes and then leaving themselves.

its called *consideration*

many RL things people know in advance

and should give their team advance warning

I have to say that I think the worst are people who -know- they have something to do or somewhere to be soon but join a mission anyway. Like kids who suddenly announce 10 minutes into the mission "sry guyz my dad is yelling ta me to go to bedzorz"

Other than that though, I don't hold it against people who take bathroom breaks between groups of mobs, because sometimes when you gotta go you gotta go! Especially if you're wired on Doubleshots. Going to the bathroom requires, what, 30 seconds to a minute and a half at most. But leaving a group to do something like eat is just inconsiderate, since you're forcing other people to either wait for you to eat or fight at a reduced level just so you don't have to stick a plate in the microwave for 30 seconds later.

Whenever I need to use the bathroom or grab a drink in something I just wait until we're in a safe spot, say "be right back, going to get food"

If they've run back and kicked me I send a nice and polite "hey screw you too" their way because I was gone for maybe 2 minutes usually less than that. Then I take henchmen, beat the mission, PM them back and await the 'shut up we're doing the mission damnit".

Fills me with joy.

When I call my friend up for a movie, do you think I tell him, in the middle of it,
"Oh, hey, I'm going to go do something else and leave you here." ?

As Ninna said, it's called consideration.
Don't have the time to play? Don't play.
If you're going to do a mission, put aside more than half an hour.

Generally, you should know how often you need to goto the washroom by now. Had a drink a few minutes ago? Well, maybe it wasn't such a good idea. Hold it in.

Again, you're wasting their time. Get your leader to have a five minute break. I know I do after a while.

"Okay, guys. Plan out things, stand up, get some snacks and use the washroom."


Don't just leave with "brb" either. That's not doing any good either. Discuss it.

"Hey guys, I need to take a piss."
"Okay, we can take a break here. // No! There's a time limit and we can't waste time! Sorry!"

There's nothing I hate more than someone who leaves with "brb".

It usually goes like this:
"brb piss 5 minutes"
"What? Hey, there's a mob coming our way! Are you there? *Return to Outpost*"

Would you go on a car trip without taking a potty break?

Same difference when joining a team of players to accomplish a goal over a period of time.

The thing is that we do have lives. We too have school/work/family. When the work is done/school is out/family is sleeping, My time is spent gaming. Actually playing the game. If you think I should waste my time waiting for you, them you deserve to be dropped off back at town.

No.

But there have been LOADS of times when I say "Hey pause it for a sec I need to use the restroom."

Not everyone keeps a friggin' bucket under their desk so they don't have to get up. Honestly if you can't wait 2 minutes because someone needs to use the bathroom or go get a drink out of the fridge you're REALLY impatient, and almost as inconsiderate as the one leaving for a sec...if not more so.

having to take a piss -- i say no prob. a couple of mins of waiting.

having to take a dump -- i say get permission or hold it in.

having to eat dinner -- i say tell your group BEFORE starting the mission that you will have to afk and eat in 1/2 hour .. they can then decide it's ok, or to kick you.

having to go pick up your kids from t-ball practice -- shoulda told your group BEFORE you started the mission that you will have to afk in so-and-so mins.

No, but if you say "Hey, I'm going to go to the bathroom can you puase the movie?" does he just get up and leave?

Or if you say "Oh, I'm going to make popcorn," does he start having a fit and throwing stuff?



Edit: Better example than the T-ball practice one, someone said "Hold on I have to help my wife with groceries" and we did get a few "/sigh" and "...."s.

EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.

Uh, buddy. The majority of the responses here are in agreeance...if that's word, with the original poster. It IS a casual game in a sense that you CAN go get some food or use the bathroom in the middle of a mission and NOT worry about killing it because it does NOT kill it. It's the impatient people who can't wait two seconds who kill the mission, and it's those sort of people who don't play it like a casual game. But they're just impatient and inconsiderate if they can't wait for a moment.

It's got nothing to do with the game, it's the people playing it.