I noticed that lately there is a serge of people who hate ANY type of free load.
I was walking to Mineral Springs the other day, we got halfway through Trasca' Demise. I said "brb". So, I go to the bathroom, come back in few minutes to find that my group walked ALL the way back and zoned, then kicked me just to stop me from "Freeloading"
Another time when my group actually made it to Mineral Springs, as soon as we got there my food was ready. I say "Brb, food's done". So, I'm eatting for a bit, look over at the computer and notice that 3 players had left within one minute.
I look at the chat log:
"omg... I gotaa go"
"yah me too"
"same"
What's all this about? Oh well, we spent 30 minutes getting here, but who wants to let someone eat?! I haven't eatten or used the bathroom since the game came out, look at me, I'm fine!
Anti-"Freeloader" Extremists?
Sagius Truthbarron
Lasareth
Take henchmen. Half the trouble and they never talk back/boot/quit.
Silmor
Simple solution: plan your food and toilet breaks. If you join a group five minutes before dinner you're just being selfish - only focused on your own enjoyment, blind to inconveniencing others in the process. Joining a group for exploration, quests or missions is a small commitment you make, with a small bit of responsibility coming along with it.
exploding flowers
i understand what you're saying.
but if some guy joined my mission group and said "brb gotta eat" DURING a mission, then that guy needs to be brought back to town. same goes for regular quests. if that guy states he needs to brb for bio needs, then it can be debated over with your group on how long they can be idle before anyone decides to take actions (such as leaving or warping the group to town to dump you [pun not intended])
if it's not a mission, and just pure exploring, sure i can let it slide.
next time, if you KNOW you won't be able to dedicate your time fully into playing the game, then don't join any groups.
but if some guy joined my mission group and said "brb gotta eat" DURING a mission, then that guy needs to be brought back to town. same goes for regular quests. if that guy states he needs to brb for bio needs, then it can be debated over with your group on how long they can be idle before anyone decides to take actions (such as leaving or warping the group to town to dump you [pun not intended])
if it's not a mission, and just pure exploring, sure i can let it slide.
next time, if you KNOW you won't be able to dedicate your time fully into playing the game, then don't join any groups.
Sagius Truthbarron
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Originally Posted by Silmor
Simple solution: plan your food and toilet breaks. If you join a group five minutes before dinner you're just being selfish - only focused on your own enjoyment, blind to inconveniencing others in the process. Joining a group for exploration, quests or missions is a small commitment you make, with a small bit of responsibility coming along with it.
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Silmor
"This team can do fine without me" - if that's the sort of team spirit you bring into a group, they have plenty of other reasons to dump you. If I join a team I'll do my best for them, and I expect them to do the same.
Five minutes or thirty minutes, if you know you can't finish whatever you're committing yourself to, don't start or adequately inform your team of your issue beforehand.
Five minutes or thirty minutes, if you know you can't finish whatever you're committing yourself to, don't start or adequately inform your team of your issue beforehand.
Watersong
Agreed.
When you join someone's group and goto the toilet or disappear for a few minutes for food, you're wasting everybody's time and you SHOULD be kicked.
The only exception is when you've spent a few hours doing a single mission. You're bound to get hungry or need to go use the washroom.
The time to do these things is:
-Before the Mission / Planning stage.
Most groups neglect to plan anything out. This probably contributes to the cookie cutter build mentality of needing monks every group. Get your skills ready, discuss who's doing what and etc. If people leave your group, they're not the people you should be bringing. If you leave the group... Heh...
-After the mission / Clearing of Inventory.
People are clearing their inventory of all the things they picked up, they're rearranging skills, they're taking a break. While this should be expected a break should be announced anyways.
-During a lull in the mission after a long period of time. A group break / rest / heal should be called for at this point.
After a large number of groups you're bound to be a little tired. This only applies to those really long missions. If you're the group leader, be a leader and announce a five minute break. If you're not, suggest it. If the majority disagree with you, too bad for you. You're going to have to hold it in.
You're playing for fun. Everyone is playing for fun. Don't be a prick and ruin their fun. What goes around comes around.
When you join someone's group and goto the toilet or disappear for a few minutes for food, you're wasting everybody's time and you SHOULD be kicked.
The only exception is when you've spent a few hours doing a single mission. You're bound to get hungry or need to go use the washroom.
The time to do these things is:
-Before the Mission / Planning stage.
Most groups neglect to plan anything out. This probably contributes to the cookie cutter build mentality of needing monks every group. Get your skills ready, discuss who's doing what and etc. If people leave your group, they're not the people you should be bringing. If you leave the group... Heh...
-After the mission / Clearing of Inventory.
People are clearing their inventory of all the things they picked up, they're rearranging skills, they're taking a break. While this should be expected a break should be announced anyways.
-During a lull in the mission after a long period of time. A group break / rest / heal should be called for at this point.
After a large number of groups you're bound to be a little tired. This only applies to those really long missions. If you're the group leader, be a leader and announce a five minute break. If you're not, suggest it. If the majority disagree with you, too bad for you. You're going to have to hold it in.
You're playing for fun. Everyone is playing for fun. Don't be a prick and ruin their fun. What goes around comes around.
decaff
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You're playing for fun. Everyone is playing for fun. Don't be a prick and ruin their fun. What goes around comes around. |
Of course the most irritating one of all is "OMG OMG 2% PENALTY TH1S GROOP SUX0RS LOLZ!!!1!!!1" and then promptly buggering off.
Sagius Truthbarron
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Agreed.
You're playing for fun. Everyone is playing for fun. Don't be a prick and ruin their fun. What goes around comes around. |
One day I was playing in a group and one of the members said "Sorry guys, i gotta go pick up my kids from T-ball practice" and one of the other members yelled "OMG that sucks". Seriously. If you're so rapped up in a game that you're upset that someone has to pick up their kids rather than killing Gogazor the Dragon-Lich with you, then you need a mental examination.
So yah, I don't care if you think it's selfish to not starve myself so that
Collhealerzor Monk or Hulio The Paladin can get a skill cap from Wyn Thunderhawk; they can wait. I for one think it's pretty selfish to HAVE to debate over weither another person can use the bathroom half way into a FoW or skill cap run.
Edit: by the way, Decaff, this has NOTHING to do with leavers. It's people getting upset over having to be pacient for 5 minutes and then leaving themselves.
Ninna
its called *consideration*
many RL things people know in advance
and should give their team advance warning
many RL things people know in advance
and should give their team advance warning
Kiiron
I have to say that I think the worst are people who -know- they have something to do or somewhere to be soon but join a mission anyway. Like kids who suddenly announce 10 minutes into the mission "sry guyz my dad is yelling ta me to go to bedzorz"
Other than that though, I don't hold it against people who take bathroom breaks between groups of mobs, because sometimes when you gotta go you gotta go! Especially if you're wired on Doubleshots. Going to the bathroom requires, what, 30 seconds to a minute and a half at most. But leaving a group to do something like eat is just inconsiderate, since you're forcing other people to either wait for you to eat or fight at a reduced level just so you don't have to stick a plate in the microwave for 30 seconds later.
Other than that though, I don't hold it against people who take bathroom breaks between groups of mobs, because sometimes when you gotta go you gotta go! Especially if you're wired on Doubleshots. Going to the bathroom requires, what, 30 seconds to a minute and a half at most. But leaving a group to do something like eat is just inconsiderate, since you're forcing other people to either wait for you to eat or fight at a reduced level just so you don't have to stick a plate in the microwave for 30 seconds later.
PieXags
Whenever I need to use the bathroom or grab a drink in something I just wait until we're in a safe spot, say "be right back, going to get food"
If they've run back and kicked me I send a nice and polite "hey screw you too" their way because I was gone for maybe 2 minutes usually less than that. Then I take henchmen, beat the mission, PM them back and await the 'shut up we're doing the mission damnit".
Fills me with joy.
If they've run back and kicked me I send a nice and polite "hey screw you too" their way because I was gone for maybe 2 minutes usually less than that. Then I take henchmen, beat the mission, PM them back and await the 'shut up we're doing the mission damnit".
Fills me with joy.
Watersong
When I call my friend up for a movie, do you think I tell him, in the middle of it,
"Oh, hey, I'm going to go do something else and leave you here." ?
As Ninna said, it's called consideration.
Don't have the time to play? Don't play.
If you're going to do a mission, put aside more than half an hour.
Generally, you should know how often you need to goto the washroom by now. Had a drink a few minutes ago? Well, maybe it wasn't such a good idea. Hold it in.
Again, you're wasting their time. Get your leader to have a five minute break. I know I do after a while.
"Okay, guys. Plan out things, stand up, get some snacks and use the washroom."
Don't just leave with "brb" either. That's not doing any good either. Discuss it.
"Hey guys, I need to take a piss."
"Okay, we can take a break here. // No! There's a time limit and we can't waste time! Sorry!"
There's nothing I hate more than someone who leaves with "brb".
It usually goes like this:
"brb piss 5 minutes"
"What? Hey, there's a mob coming our way! Are you there? *Return to Outpost*"
"Oh, hey, I'm going to go do something else and leave you here." ?
As Ninna said, it's called consideration.
Don't have the time to play? Don't play.
If you're going to do a mission, put aside more than half an hour.
Generally, you should know how often you need to goto the washroom by now. Had a drink a few minutes ago? Well, maybe it wasn't such a good idea. Hold it in.
Again, you're wasting their time. Get your leader to have a five minute break. I know I do after a while.
"Okay, guys. Plan out things, stand up, get some snacks and use the washroom."
Don't just leave with "brb" either. That's not doing any good either. Discuss it.
"Hey guys, I need to take a piss."
"Okay, we can take a break here. // No! There's a time limit and we can't waste time! Sorry!"
There's nothing I hate more than someone who leaves with "brb".
It usually goes like this:
"brb piss 5 minutes"
"What? Hey, there's a mob coming our way! Are you there? *Return to Outpost*"
Principa Discordia
Would you go on a car trip without taking a potty break?
Same difference when joining a team of players to accomplish a goal over a period of time.
Same difference when joining a team of players to accomplish a goal over a period of time.
BladeX3I
The thing is that we do have lives. We too have school/work/family. When the work is done/school is out/family is sleeping, My time is spent gaming. Actually playing the game. If you think I should waste my time waiting for you, them you deserve to be dropped off back at town.
PieXags
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When I call my friend up for a movie, do you think I tell him, in the middle of it,
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But there have been LOADS of times when I say "Hey pause it for a sec I need to use the restroom."
Not everyone keeps a friggin' bucket under their desk so they don't have to get up. Honestly if you can't wait 2 minutes because someone needs to use the bathroom or go get a drink out of the fridge you're REALLY impatient, and almost as inconsiderate as the one leaving for a sec...if not more so.
NoChance
having to take a piss -- i say no prob. a couple of mins of waiting.
having to take a dump -- i say get permission or hold it in.
having to eat dinner -- i say tell your group BEFORE starting the mission that you will have to afk and eat in 1/2 hour .. they can then decide it's ok, or to kick you.
having to go pick up your kids from t-ball practice -- shoulda told your group BEFORE you started the mission that you will have to afk in so-and-so mins.
having to take a dump -- i say get permission or hold it in.
having to eat dinner -- i say tell your group BEFORE starting the mission that you will have to afk and eat in 1/2 hour .. they can then decide it's ok, or to kick you.
having to go pick up your kids from t-ball practice -- shoulda told your group BEFORE you started the mission that you will have to afk in so-and-so mins.
Sagius Truthbarron
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When I call my friend up for a movie, do you think I tell him, in the middle of it,
"Oh, hey, I'm going to go do something else and leave you here." ? " |
Or if you say "Oh, I'm going to make popcorn," does he start having a fit and throwing stuff?
Edit: Better example than the T-ball practice one, someone said "Hold on I have to help my wife with groceries" and we did get a few "/sigh" and "...."s.
silvertemplar
EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.
PieXags
Uh, buddy. The majority of the responses here are in agreeance...if that's word, with the original poster. It IS a casual game in a sense that you CAN go get some food or use the bathroom in the middle of a mission and NOT worry about killing it because it does NOT kill it. It's the impatient people who can't wait two seconds who kill the mission, and it's those sort of people who don't play it like a casual game. But they're just impatient and inconsiderate if they can't wait for a moment.
It's got nothing to do with the game, it's the people playing it.
It's got nothing to do with the game, it's the people playing it.
Sagius Truthbarron
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Uh, buddy. The majority of the responses here are in agreeance...if that's word, with the original poster. It IS a casual game in a sense that you CAN go get some food or use the bathroom in the middle of a mission and NOT worry about killing it because it does NOT kill it. It's the impatient people who can't wait two seconds who kill the mission, and it's those sort of people who don't play it like a casual game. But they're just impatient and inconsiderate if they can't wait for a moment.
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=HT=Ingram
yea I would wait for BRB bathroom emergency or something like that... but Food... naw that's something that can wait till the mission is done... or fails whatever happens first. then if you want to leave leave. no big deal. I just think people are getting tired of dragging others along that are not actually playing. I had one guy that stayed with our group all the way from lions arch to santums cay... I absolutely refused to drag him to the desert and got the leader to kick him or I would leave. since I was the primary healer, he agreed... he was idle for several zones and we already gave him 4 map points, But I refused to get him all the way to oasis with no effort on his part.
Principa Discordia
I think that too many of you see this as an "I" instead of a "we" situation. I personally, since I was a child, learned how to control/plan my eating habits and potty breaks when I'm in a situation that requires me to accomplish a task with or without other people. The fact that the team rely on me in-part to accomplish the task encourages me to stay and not just randomly idle to do something else part way through.
PieXags
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What? So far 8 people have disagreed with me, 3 have agreed.
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Consideration to me isn't being psychic enough to know when you've got to piss, consideration in my opinion is having the patience to wait 1 minute for a party member to get back. Kicking him for nature's call is inconsiderate.
And well, I personally must have a small stomach. I can't just sit and eat dinner and have that last me, it's just eat a small amount often, throughout the day.
Another thing---the majority of the reasons people go afk for a sec are NOT things you can plan. You can't really plan potty breaks, you can try to hold it but not for long. Eating is the only thing you can plan. But when say someone gets home and needs your help carrying something in, or someone's knocking on your door, or the phone rings. You CAN'T plan that sort of thing.
Sagius Truthbarron
The thing about eating is, it will only take a person a good 5-10 minutes to eat. If my food is ready and it's getting cold, then who cares about your game or my game? If the game takes so much importance in your life as to have it attempt to damage your kidneys, starve or dishearten you, what's the point of playing it?
Not waiting on other people is selfishness and impatience.
If I'm in Fissure of Woe and we have been playing for an hour and I want to eat, then I'm going to eat.
Not waiting on other people is selfishness and impatience.
If I'm in Fissure of Woe and we have been playing for an hour and I want to eat, then I'm going to eat.
Watersong
I think it's not so much waiting 2 minutes for someone to finish in the bathroom as it is waiting for an unknown amount of time. When you say you'll take 3 minutes getting pizza, what reason is there for me to believe that you've given me an accurate estimate?
This isn't a problem with established groups but in a random party, you have no credibility.
Aside from trust, it also has an affect on morale. When someone disappears for "2 minutes" everybody in that group doesn't know if that person's ever really coming back and they may lose hope and may lose cohesion.
It may not seem like a big deal, 2 minutes, but when you leave, just like a yawn, it can be contagious. You go AFK, another goes AFK, and etc... Those minutes add up.
This isn't a problem with established groups but in a random party, you have no credibility.
Aside from trust, it also has an affect on morale. When someone disappears for "2 minutes" everybody in that group doesn't know if that person's ever really coming back and they may lose hope and may lose cohesion.
It may not seem like a big deal, 2 minutes, but when you leave, just like a yawn, it can be contagious. You go AFK, another goes AFK, and etc... Those minutes add up.
Principa Discordia
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And well, I personally must have a small stomach. I can't just sit and eat dinner and have that last me, it's just eat a small amount often, throughout the day.
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Another thing---the majority of the reasons people go afk for a sec are NOT things you can plan. You can't really plan potty breaks, you can try to hold it but not for long. Eating is the only thing you can plan. But when say someone gets home and needs your help carrying something in, or someone's knocking on your door, or the phone rings. You CAN'T plan that sort of thing.
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I don't consciously "time" my loo breaks, it's a habit from childhood. I have never had to use the loo during class at school/college because I always went at lunch, I have never had to use the loo during work because I always went at lunch, I have never had to use the loo during a Guild Wars mission because I always check my "loo status" before a PUG accepts me or before I form a PUG.
I thought this was a common fact of life for everybody until I started playing MMOs.
PieXags
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So you can't have a snack before or while you're standing around looking for a PUG?
Well, I'm sorry, but I just disagree. When I was a child I was taught things like "make sure you go to the loo before getting in the car", "make sure you use the loo at break because that's what breaks are for", and so on. I don't consciously "time" my loo breaks, it's a habit from childhood. I have never had to use the loo during class at school/college because I always went at lunch, I have never had to use the loo during work because I always went at lunch, I have never had to use the loo during a Guild Wars mission because I always check my "loo status" before a PUG accepts me or before I form a PUG. I thought this was a common fact of life for everybody until I started playing MMOs. |
I can understand it if you're talking about someone eating dinner or something and they'll be gone for 10+ minutes. But if I need to use the bathroom or take less than 2 minutes to get a drink or something...what's the problem?
And to be honest, I'd rather wait for 2 minutes during a mission than 10 minutes before we start the mission because someone thinks they have more time.
Ninna
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Better example than the T-ball practice one, someone said "Hold on I have to help my wife with groceries" and we did get a few "/sigh" and "...."s.
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(and cannot be told in advance)
but it is still irritating to the group because no one likes AFKS
Principa Discordia
The problem is that it's so easy to do these things beforehand, why not even try? Why make excuses? It shouldn't even require effort, I consider it sort of immature in a way that someone cannot control their bodily functions (unless there's an underlying medical problem.)
"AFK food", "AFK pee", and logging out are something that bother me when it happens a number of times in a mission.
Edit: The poster below me mentioned the doorbell ringing or somesuch, I consider that a valid reason as it's a "random eventuality". Pee breaks, food breaks, and whatnot should not even be an issue as expect an adult to be able to control such bodily functions.
"AFK food", "AFK pee", and logging out are something that bother me when it happens a number of times in a mission.
Edit: The poster below me mentioned the doorbell ringing or somesuch, I consider that a valid reason as it's a "random eventuality". Pee breaks, food breaks, and whatnot should not even be an issue as expect an adult to be able to control such bodily functions.
BladeX3I
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Another thing---the majority of the reasons people go afk for a sec are NOT things you can plan. You can't really plan potty breaks, you can try to hold it but not for long. Eating is the only thing you can plan. But when say someone gets home and needs your help carrying something in, or someone's knocking on your door, or the phone rings. You CAN'T plan that sort of thing.
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People can't boot you in 2 mins. It takes time to go back to town and boot you and get a new party member. Don't act like you get booted after 30 seconds of being afk. If you are in a mission people usually wait a few mins to see if the you will come back before they decide it's worth it to drop you off and start over. (wasting more time no thanks to you for freeloading)
silvertemplar
EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.
Ninna
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This isn't a problem with established groups but in a random party, you have no credibility.
Aside from trust, it also has an affect on morale. When someone disappears for "2 minutes" everybody in that group doesn't know if that person's ever really coming back and they may lose hope and may lose cohesion. It may not seem like a big deal, 2 minutes, but when you leave, just like a yawn, it can be contagious. You go AFK, another goes AFK, and etc... Those minutes add up. |
PieXags
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The problem is that it's so easy to do these things beforehand, why not even try? Why make excuses?
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But there is no way to tell just how long your party is going to take in a mission, it could be a breeze or you could find out that your party stinks and that you're widdling down a boss for 10 minutes or something. There've been times when I did get some food before a mission, but we took so long I went through it all and was hungry for more, so I said hey brb need a drink. Stepped out grabbed a drink and got back in less than 2 minutes. So what's the big deal?
Or say you're doing a quest with some people, you're doing fine, you don't need to use the bathroom again. Woops your warrior's a moron and got you all killed, guess you better take this oppurtunity to go relieve yourself. *go uses the bathroom*
Comes back just a few seconds later and your party is about to kick you. What the hell is that about? Patience is a virtue people, and to be honest if my ignore list was longer, I'd ignore every single person who wanted to kick me for taking a minute to get a drink. Kicking someone because your impatient is more inconsiderate than someone helping their mom carry in the groceries.
Principa Discordia
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The thing about eating is, it will only take a person a good 5-10 minutes to eat. If my food is ready and it's getting cold, then who cares about your game or my game? If the game takes so much importance in your life as to have it attempt to damage your kidneys, starve or dishearten you, what's the point of playing it?
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Watersong
Please refer to my post about not so much the amount of time, it's the reliability of your claim of needing that much time.
And also, people like to play while there's momentum. When you play through 5 missions and suddenly one person stops all the action, you may or may not have people suddenly get tired. When you have a constant motion going parties tend to be more willing to continue.
I'm sorry, I forgot to put emphasis on one thing...
Discuss it with your party. This is very important. I'm sure that nobody will be so pissed off at you if you tell your party that you need to do something and ask if it's okay.
If not, and you have to leave anyway, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. You're trying to unload the blame from you onto your party when it's you.
And also, people like to play while there's momentum. When you play through 5 missions and suddenly one person stops all the action, you may or may not have people suddenly get tired. When you have a constant motion going parties tend to be more willing to continue.
I'm sorry, I forgot to put emphasis on one thing...
Discuss it with your party. This is very important. I'm sure that nobody will be so pissed off at you if you tell your party that you need to do something and ask if it's okay.
If not, and you have to leave anyway, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. You're trying to unload the blame from you onto your party when it's you.
KaPe
Last time I checked you can eat before/after mission and most of them don't take more than an hour - that's hardly enough to die of starvation. And if *do* need to eat that much(that makes it 24 meals a day O.o ) - prepare some before. That goes double for monks
PieXags
I do agree with Watersong's point.
And I honestly have only had one group that was ABOUT to kick me. I'm just responding to people who say they think someone should be kicked for "wasting 2 minutes of my time because I just got back from work". How self-centered is that?
And you're right, most of the time if I need to get a drink. I just kill all the enemies in the area. Say "Hey guys brb in just a moment, need to step out my door and grab a drink."
And then they typically just say "np", and I get back and we continue the mission. And that's how it should be, IMO.
And I honestly have only had one group that was ABOUT to kick me. I'm just responding to people who say they think someone should be kicked for "wasting 2 minutes of my time because I just got back from work". How self-centered is that?
And you're right, most of the time if I need to get a drink. I just kill all the enemies in the area. Say "Hey guys brb in just a moment, need to step out my door and grab a drink."
And then they typically just say "np", and I get back and we continue the mission. And that's how it should be, IMO.
Sagius Truthbarron
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If you knew that soon you would have food going cold, why would you go into the Fissure Of Woe?
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decaff
To be fair Sagius has a point. Bath room breaks (as you yanks call it, sorry to anyone who isnt a yank) take only a short while and friends and family really do come first rather than someone you played a game with for the past 1/2 hour who your never going to meet again.
If someone bitched at me for wanting to pick my kids up from somewhere I would probably tell them to shut the f*ck up and try having kids themselves.
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Anyone who can't empathise with this is souless. SOULESS.
Little Johnny:"Mum how come Daddy couldn't come and pick us up? We were hungry and cold and lonely for a whole hour!"
Johnny's Mum: "It's just that your Dad felt pressurised by f*cktards from the internet to keep playing a game for their virtual gain. Don't worry the divorce is on it's way."
If someone bitched at me for wanting to pick my kids up from somewhere I would probably tell them to shut the f*ck up and try having kids themselves.
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Anyone who can't empathise with this is souless. SOULESS.
Little Johnny:"Mum how come Daddy couldn't come and pick us up? We were hungry and cold and lonely for a whole hour!"
Johnny's Mum: "It's just that your Dad felt pressurised by f*cktards from the internet to keep playing a game for their virtual gain. Don't worry the divorce is on it's way."