But lack of chatting is at the base of the problem. I've had people say 'brb' and be gone for hours, literally; usually when they first thought they were just grabbing a snack, then ran into their dad and got told to paint the fence or something similar. If you don't communicate this to your team, they're going to be expecting you to 'brb'. And they're going to wait. And wait. And finally, after half an hour, they'll be forced to conclude that you're not coming back, and that they just spent half an hour of the two spare hours they had doing nothing.
If you're going to the toilet, say so. If you're grabbing a snack, say so. Give estimates when you'll be back, and make sure you make it back when you said you'd be back. And being apologetic never hurt: something unexpected came up that is inconveniencing your team, and you're responsible. As minor as it may be, you are still the disruptive factor.
Anti-"Freeloader" Extremists?
Silmor
PieXags
Muahaha...mission a success. Posting in this thread not only allowed me to make some valid points but it also moved me up from a..."Ministry of Knowledge".
On another note...
That being said I think we can all agree that...
You should always do what you can to try and avoid the possibility of having to go afk for any period of time during a mission or quest. If by some chance some outside influence has screwed up your planning and you need to say, get the phone or answer your door, these things are fine as they can't be controlled and should be announced as more than just "brb", rather you should say something more like "One moment please, someone's at the door, 2 minutes." Or something like that to get more communication across.
On another note...
That being said I think we can all agree that...
You should always do what you can to try and avoid the possibility of having to go afk for any period of time during a mission or quest. If by some chance some outside influence has screwed up your planning and you need to say, get the phone or answer your door, these things are fine as they can't be controlled and should be announced as more than just "brb", rather you should say something more like "One moment please, someone's at the door, 2 minutes." Or something like that to get more communication across.
Ashley Twig
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Me, I dont want to "let" you eat. Eat on your own time, if you have other things to do in real life, dont get yourself involved in something that you cant commit too.
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My time, your time.
It's the team's time.
And if the team thinks it's ok, why not give the wo/man a break?
Is it really that difficult to actually give time? Share time?
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It's rude as hell.
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Silmor
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silvertemplar
EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.
PieXags
Hey, I didn't know I'd move up a title. The thread in the off topic board only goes up to ministry, I had no idea how many posts I needed or what the next thingy even was. I just figured I'd point it out.
And not to get off topic...
In response to Ashley's statement. Well, that's a good mentality to have. And it can work like that in most situations so long as there's communication. Otherwise people get sort self-centered, because when nobody talks they don't even know anyone else is hardly there or even cares.
And to templar...
This isn't an anti-guild wars thread buddy, go somewhere else for that crap if you're trying to prove a point that "guild wars" isn't a casual game.
It is NOT the game it is the PEOPLE who play the game. I personally got yelled at for having to let my dog in once back in WoW. Quit with the "not a casual game" crap already, that point doesn't have anything to do with the topic.
And not to get off topic...
In response to Ashley's statement. Well, that's a good mentality to have. And it can work like that in most situations so long as there's communication. Otherwise people get sort self-centered, because when nobody talks they don't even know anyone else is hardly there or even cares.
And to templar...
This isn't an anti-guild wars thread buddy, go somewhere else for that crap if you're trying to prove a point that "guild wars" isn't a casual game.
It is NOT the game it is the PEOPLE who play the game. I personally got yelled at for having to let my dog in once back in WoW. Quit with the "not a casual game" crap already, that point doesn't have anything to do with the topic.
Principa Discordia
Silver this is not a debate about wether or not the game is a casual game, there's already threads about this?
Aaaaagh
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It's rude to ask for a little bit of time to do what a wo/man needs to do?
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MAH TIME!
Ninna
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Give estimates when you'll be back, and make sure you make it back when you said you'd be back.
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many people are tolerant if they know when you are expected back
if they are lacking information regarding your AFK,
many will assume the worst after 10 minutes and assume you are either freeloading or not coming back
Pevil Lihatuh
Well, although I'm like Principa Discordia in that I never missed class/work to go to the loo, I don't mind people needing a loo break. You can't always help it. What if you're playing with a woman? Sorry to bring it up but there are times we need to dash off to the loo guys. And that's ok, because usually its 2 mins at the most.
"one sec, just gonna grab a snack", ok, no prob, I do that too. Keyword is Snack. Snack usually means it can be eaten whilst playing, so the only time lost will be while they go to the cupboard/fridge, get the snack out and sit back down.
Now if you know you are going to work/bed in half hour, or that food is cooking and will be done soon, don't go into a mission. Join exploration groups maybe, or at least state "hey guys, I'll have to go in half hour" but dont just join then half hour later say "sorry, gotta go". Coz that is annoying. If the party is forewarned then at least they can either try to get the mission done in that time, or they will be ready to be one man down.
"one sec, just gonna grab a snack", ok, no prob, I do that too. Keyword is Snack. Snack usually means it can be eaten whilst playing, so the only time lost will be while they go to the cupboard/fridge, get the snack out and sit back down.
Now if you know you are going to work/bed in half hour, or that food is cooking and will be done soon, don't go into a mission. Join exploration groups maybe, or at least state "hey guys, I'll have to go in half hour" but dont just join then half hour later say "sorry, gotta go". Coz that is annoying. If the party is forewarned then at least they can either try to get the mission done in that time, or they will be ready to be one man down.
Silmor
I play this game very casually, usually with my guild, sometimes with pickup groups. I drink my coffee in outposts, go to the toilet after we're done, and if something unexpected comes up I will notify my team appropriately.
This is called 'casual with consideration for others'.
How would you like to play casually for an hour, only to spend that hour waiting for other people? Casual gaming has nothing to do with it, just basic respect for others.
If I play Monopoly for an hour, I'll take the same preparations. Only in single-player games do you have the freedom to do as you please, and even then I prefer to take breaks at appropriate moments (after a race, after a dungeon, etc).
This is called 'casual with consideration for others'.
How would you like to play casually for an hour, only to spend that hour waiting for other people? Casual gaming has nothing to do with it, just basic respect for others.
If I play Monopoly for an hour, I'll take the same preparations. Only in single-player games do you have the freedom to do as you please, and even then I prefer to take breaks at appropriate moments (after a race, after a dungeon, etc).
KaPe
"It's a big difference whether someone needs a 2 min potty break or goes afk for 30 minutes to prepare dinner. I"
And it's a big difference if someone says "brb" and goes and if he says "Sorry, have to go to bathroom(or however you say it in english )
And it's a big difference if someone says "brb" and goes and if he says "Sorry, have to go to bathroom(or however you say it in english
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PieXags
Well said Pevil.
On another sort of on-topic sense.
I don't have a problem people going afk for a moment. So long as we know about it.
What I hate most of all...is the people who just go afk in a mission and don't say anything. You just notice halfway through that they're way back near the beginning...either that or you're all dead, and your camera goes to the last person alive...who is afk. That pisses me off.
And to be honest if someone goes afk WITHOUT letting me know at all, *kick*.
Enough said.
On another sort of on-topic sense.
I don't have a problem people going afk for a moment. So long as we know about it.
What I hate most of all...is the people who just go afk in a mission and don't say anything. You just notice halfway through that they're way back near the beginning...either that or you're all dead, and your camera goes to the last person alive...who is afk. That pisses me off.
And to be honest if someone goes afk WITHOUT letting me know at all, *kick*.
Enough said.
Ninna
I dont even tell my party what I'm doing
- I only tell them how long I need (when they are at a safe spot)
AFK 2 minutes
sometimes the party waits for me .. sometimes the party advances anyhow
party doesnt really care what you are doing, they are more concerned with how long is your AFK going to take ?
- I only tell them how long I need (when they are at a safe spot)
AFK 2 minutes
sometimes the party waits for me .. sometimes the party advances anyhow
party doesnt really care what you are doing, they are more concerned with how long is your AFK going to take ?
silvertemplar
EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.
Sagius Truthbarron
I usualy atleast make sure the group is ok with it. Even if I do just say "brb" I'll wait for an "Alright". If I have to eat I'll say "Alright, food's ready. Is it ok if I sit over here and eat? I have resses if everyone dies".
yah, you do have some good points, Principia, but also, if you've been playing for a good 4 hours straight it's hard to keep track of time. You can't always make a big plan for everything that's going to happen durring a 2 hour mission. Don't you think that's a reasonable conclusion?
yah, you do have some good points, Principia, but also, if you've been playing for a good 4 hours straight it's hard to keep track of time. You can't always make a big plan for everything that's going to happen durring a 2 hour mission. Don't you think that's a reasonable conclusion?
PieXags
You know the only real flaw with your post Templar is that you obviously didn't bother reading through the posts in this thread.
There were many more suggested "remedies" posted many times, I'd list them for you. But I think you're more than capable of going to find them yourself 'eh?
Nobody here has said "You don't like it go play another game", the only one who SUGGESTED that was you, in your "this doesn't happen in WoW".
And note I'm note the only one who stated you were off-topic.
There were many more suggested "remedies" posted many times, I'd list them for you. But I think you're more than capable of going to find them yourself 'eh?
Nobody here has said "You don't like it go play another game", the only one who SUGGESTED that was you, in your "this doesn't happen in WoW".
And note I'm note the only one who stated you were off-topic.
Argon The Seeker
I Never go into PUGs because if I go to answer the phone people usually quit or kick me... Its really annoying! I can't plan when my phones gunna ring for gods sake!
there should be some kind of option to allow you to follow someone and attack whatever they do so that your atleast not totaly gone and PUGs dont kick you
holy! you actually leave and go and eat dinner then comeback? wow and you call that not inconsiderate? sorry but the better thing to do would be either log out or bring the food to the computer.
there should be some kind of option to allow you to follow someone and attack whatever they do so that your atleast not totaly gone and PUGs dont kick you
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I usualy atleast make sure the group is ok with it. Even if I do just say "brb" I'll wait for an "Alright". If I have to eat I'll say "Alright, food's ready. Is it ok if I sit over here and eat? I have resses if everyone dies".
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Ashley Twig
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It is absolutely my time. I dont give MY time up easily.
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How can it be your time then?
The moment you join a team, you agree to share your time with the time of other players.
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If you had read my post, you would have seen that it was alright to go grab some food. What I meant by that was, its fine to afk for a few minutes, its not alright to go afk for 20 minutes and eat dinner. Bathroom, fine...got diaherea, dont join my mission!!
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asdar
I'm glad they booted you.
I'm sick of freeloaders and it sounds like you make a habit of it.
This weekend I had 3 guys that just zoned into missions and sat at the entry. The worst was Dragon's lair and we fought glint and lost with 7, well it automatically brings that person along and they were out of aggro range so we all sat there for 5-10 minutes and map's out losing the trip to Droknars.
I'm sick of freeloaders and it sounds like you make a habit of it.
This weekend I had 3 guys that just zoned into missions and sat at the entry. The worst was Dragon's lair and we fought glint and lost with 7, well it automatically brings that person along and they were out of aggro range so we all sat there for 5-10 minutes and map's out losing the trip to Droknars.
Principa Discordia
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yah, you do have some good points, Principia, but also, if you've been playing for a good 4 hours straight it's hard to keep track of time. You can't always make a big plan for everything that's going to happen durring a 2 hour mission. Don't you think that's a reasonable conclusion?
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silvertemplar
EDIT : sigh seems im offtopic, so just preventing more flames.
Darksci
Concerning a trip to the loo - yes thats expected. Can happen anytime. So a 2 minute potty break is acceptable - After all, its only 2 minutes?
If ur going to eat, plan ahead. I always do. I know my mother makes my food (i cannot cook - even at the age of 20 :P - or so i say) at 9:30pm. Therefore if its 9, then i KNOW NOT TO ENTER A MISSION.
Last time i played, someone says "Brb going to eat". He arrives 10 minutes later and we are far ahead, he arrives back at our location like 3 minutes later (He cannot find the way >.< )
So yes - plan ahead. And yes if you goto eat- your a freeloader (since your just wasting the team's time), just don't bother to enter a mission.
If ur going to eat, plan ahead. I always do. I know my mother makes my food (i cannot cook - even at the age of 20 :P - or so i say) at 9:30pm. Therefore if its 9, then i KNOW NOT TO ENTER A MISSION.
Last time i played, someone says "Brb going to eat". He arrives 10 minutes later and we are far ahead, he arrives back at our location like 3 minutes later (He cannot find the way >.< )
So yes - plan ahead. And yes if you goto eat- your a freeloader (since your just wasting the team's time), just don't bother to enter a mission.
Ninna
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This weekend I had 3 guys that just zoned into missions and sat at the entry. The worst was Dragon's lair and we fought glint and lost with 7, well it automatically brings that person along and they were out of aggro range so we all sat there for 5-10 minutes and map's out losing the trip to Droknars.
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he took an extended AFK in Mineral Springs without telling people when he would be back
(beyond saying that he was eating)
Dan Mega
Why should anyone enter into a mission expecting that others should have to work around their schedules? Gosh people are so self-centered. Like others have said...get a henchie if you don't like it. Otherwise if you're doing a mission with me don't go afk for more than 5 minutes.
dargon
Personally, I don't have a problem with "brb in a minute, gotta hit the toilet". Usually waiting a minute is fine, plus it lets the casters regen their energy. I do have a problem with people who just disappear for 30 minutes and then suddenly show up again. Had that happen to me last night. I was doing the Ice Caves of Sorrow with a PUG, one warrior monk whose name I shall not mention here, decided to go afk without warning right after we unleashed the yaks. We waited a couple minutes for him to return but he didn't so we said screw him and carried on. Then we got to the point in the cave where you cave where you have to kill the jades to do the bonus. Having a couple of inexperienced people in the group, they charged in and promptly got owned, having not yet gotten their armor infused. Of course others charged in to help them and that left our party with me and one other person still alive. We waited a minute for the jades to go back to their corner and then we started ressing. Of course by now, two of the dead had said screw it and quit. Leaving us down yet another 2 people. 8 man party down to 5 functioning. We carried on and managed to complete the mission. Mr AFK showed up shortly after the rescue cutscene and promptly started acting like an ass when we expressed our displeasure with him. I waqs incredibly tempted to quit at that point and leave him to kill the remaining groups on his own, but we had worked long and hard to get their and I didn't want to have that go to waste, so mr leech got lucky and got the mission without doing much work himself.
Corpse of Stefan
Just to restate the topic for those getting confused:
The OP was 30 minutes into a journey of several zones, he said "brb" and went afk (in the first post he says 'to the bathroom', but then it seems to turn into 'to go eat'). He asks whether it was right that the team booted him out some time while he was away.
I will accept wasting some of my time for that kind of person in a random group. I would have guessed he was running to the bathroom. After a couple of minutes I would also have thought that I guessed wrongly, labelled him 'freeloader' and booted him.
It is simple common courtesy. Talk to your team mates. Saying "brb" gives your team no more information than them just seeing you not moving for a while.
"afk 2 mins loo run", "afk phone sry", "brb door" are all perfectly acceptable things to type in sudden RL situations and will surely result in any team waiting for you.
[Personally I've had a few years practice at spotting when I need to go to the toilet before it actually becomes an emergency. "I could do with a quick toilet break some time in the next few minutes guys" seems to work perfectly for me - I've never been booted from a team nor wet myself, so far...]
What if any of these things happened during a game of chess or monopoly or anything else when you can <b>physically</b> see the people you're playing with?
You just get up from the board and walk off.
You say "back in a bit" and walk away, not coming back for 1/10/20 minutes.
You play for half an hour with 7 other guys, say "be right back", go to another room to eat without letting them know what's going on.
You say "just nipping to the toilet" and leave the room for a moment.
What would you think if you were left at the board in each of these situations?
The fact that you can't see the people you're playing with doesn't make them any less real!
Say hello when you join a group of people. Tell them what's happening where you are so they don't have to try and read your mind. If the doorbell rings, simply tell them or they won't know!
Just think of things from anyone else's point of view for one moment!
The OP was 30 minutes into a journey of several zones, he said "brb" and went afk (in the first post he says 'to the bathroom', but then it seems to turn into 'to go eat'). He asks whether it was right that the team booted him out some time while he was away.
I will accept wasting some of my time for that kind of person in a random group. I would have guessed he was running to the bathroom. After a couple of minutes I would also have thought that I guessed wrongly, labelled him 'freeloader' and booted him.
It is simple common courtesy. Talk to your team mates. Saying "brb" gives your team no more information than them just seeing you not moving for a while.
"afk 2 mins loo run", "afk phone sry", "brb door" are all perfectly acceptable things to type in sudden RL situations and will surely result in any team waiting for you.
[Personally I've had a few years practice at spotting when I need to go to the toilet before it actually becomes an emergency. "I could do with a quick toilet break some time in the next few minutes guys" seems to work perfectly for me - I've never been booted from a team nor wet myself, so far...]
What if any of these things happened during a game of chess or monopoly or anything else when you can <b>physically</b> see the people you're playing with?
You just get up from the board and walk off.
You say "back in a bit" and walk away, not coming back for 1/10/20 minutes.
You play for half an hour with 7 other guys, say "be right back", go to another room to eat without letting them know what's going on.
You say "just nipping to the toilet" and leave the room for a moment.
What would you think if you were left at the board in each of these situations?
The fact that you can't see the people you're playing with doesn't make them any less real!
Say hello when you join a group of people. Tell them what's happening where you are so they don't have to try and read your mind. If the doorbell rings, simply tell them or they won't know!
Just think of things from anyone else's point of view for one moment!
PieXags
If I'm in a PUG and someone needs to go get a drink or something I don't have a problem wasting a little bit of my time.
Why?
Because PUGs in themselves are wastes of my time.
Why?
Because PUGs in themselves are wastes of my time.
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Fantus
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But yes, "brb, potty break" is a lot more informative for the other players than "brb". Nothing to argue there.
Thanas
Only one thing I have to say. It's a game!
At the end of the day if I need the toilet, I'll go, if I need to eat I'll eat. I'm not gonna make myself ill at the expense of a game.
And DISCORDIA I have a point to make in your general direction. Not everybody is super organised and able to fit everything around playing a game (I'm dyslexic myself and my organisational skills are not great, should I stop playing the game?). Fortunately for me my life revloves things other than Guild Wars. So if a friend rings me impromptu up and says "You fancy going out to the pub, I'll meet you in 30 mins" and I'm playing the game. Then game goes off and I go out. I apologise etc. But to be fair the goals in the game are only for fun and have no actual bearing on my life, where as ignoring friends, not eating and forcing myself not to go to toilet do. They have real consequences.
At the end of the day if I need the toilet, I'll go, if I need to eat I'll eat. I'm not gonna make myself ill at the expense of a game.
And DISCORDIA I have a point to make in your general direction. Not everybody is super organised and able to fit everything around playing a game (I'm dyslexic myself and my organisational skills are not great, should I stop playing the game?). Fortunately for me my life revloves things other than Guild Wars. So if a friend rings me impromptu up and says "You fancy going out to the pub, I'll meet you in 30 mins" and I'm playing the game. Then game goes off and I go out. I apologise etc. But to be fair the goals in the game are only for fun and have no actual bearing on my life, where as ignoring friends, not eating and forcing myself not to go to toilet do. They have real consequences.
Principa Discordia
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And DISCORDIA I have a point to make in your general direction. Not everybody is super organised and able to fit everything around playing a game (I'm dyslexic myself and my organisational skills are not great, should I stop playing the game?).
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Fortunately for me my life revloves things other than Guild Wars. So if a friend rings me impromptu up and says "You fancy going out to the pub, I'll meet you in 30 mins" and I'm playing the game. Then game goes off and I go out. I apologise etc. But to be fair the goals in the game are only for fun and have no actual bearing on my life, where as ignoring friends, not eating and forcing myself not to go to toilet do. They have real consequences.
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Sierra
Sometimes going afk can't be helped, but most of the time it can be helped (as it's been mentioned already). Lets say you have a party of 6 and you are the only one who planned ahead and set aside 40 minutes to complete this mission. Everyone else will have to randomly go afk for 2-10 minutes throughout the mission. Well, that's anywhere from 10-50 minutes of my time that has been wasted because of inconsiderate people.
In the Fissure it should be agreed to take a 5-10 minute break every hour. I was in a FoW group where half the group were often going afk. One of them was packing . . packing? Geez, if you know you're having to pack for a trip or something don't join FoW. I have better things to do with my time than to sit around waiting for you. It took us 3 hours to accomplish what I previously accomplished in 1.5 hours in another group. I would have left that group after the first hour, but I was their only healing monk and didn't want to screw them over. Luckily for them I am more considerate than they are.
In the Fissure it should be agreed to take a 5-10 minute break every hour. I was in a FoW group where half the group were often going afk. One of them was packing . . packing? Geez, if you know you're having to pack for a trip or something don't join FoW. I have better things to do with my time than to sit around waiting for you. It took us 3 hours to accomplish what I previously accomplished in 1.5 hours in another group. I would have left that group after the first hour, but I was their only healing monk and didn't want to screw them over. Luckily for them I am more considerate than they are.
Ninna
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its nice to communicate *how long is your AFK*
Aniewiel
To sum up the thread:
1. Going AFK is OK for a short time, say less than 5 minutes.
2. Going AFK for 30 minutes to eat dinner is NOT all right without "permission". If this is going to happen, use simple courtesy and inform the party you are trying to join. Let THEM decide if it's acceptible for you to be gone that long. Generally speaking, breaks of more than 5 minutes are "avoidable" or "planned".
While AFKs come up from time to time for all of us, it is wise to simply use basic manners if it happens. Don't just type "AFK" and disappear for 30 minutes.
The most basic thing to avoid hundred and fifteen response threads is: USE COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY. Talk to your group BEFORE you head out the gates. If you -do- have to leave for a few minutes, wait for a safe spot then tell your group you'll be right back.
1. Going AFK is OK for a short time, say less than 5 minutes.
2. Going AFK for 30 minutes to eat dinner is NOT all right without "permission". If this is going to happen, use simple courtesy and inform the party you are trying to join. Let THEM decide if it's acceptible for you to be gone that long. Generally speaking, breaks of more than 5 minutes are "avoidable" or "planned".
While AFKs come up from time to time for all of us, it is wise to simply use basic manners if it happens. Don't just type "AFK" and disappear for 30 minutes.
The most basic thing to avoid hundred and fifteen response threads is: USE COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY. Talk to your group BEFORE you head out the gates. If you -do- have to leave for a few minutes, wait for a safe spot then tell your group you'll be right back.
MuKen
IMO, if you end up going AFK because of something unexpected as a rare event (like a phone call) that's OK. Or if it something unavoidable and expected to happen to everybody(IE a mission ends up taking 4 hours and you need to use the bathroom), that's OK too. But if the OP has had this happen enough for it to be worth posting about then that's showing a great deal of inconsideration on his part. You can't just think "oh, it's only 2 mins, what's the big deal?" because you are forcing that delay to seven other people.
It's the same asshole mentality that leads to the spam problem. "Hey, it's only one more email in their inbox, what's the big deal?" Except that when you do it to lots of people, then it becomes a problem. Do you think you're special or something? What if everybody in the party except one guy had to take a 2 min break at different times according to their own little errands? Then the one guy that didn't would have wasted 14 mins just sitting their waiting around because everybody was only thinking about themselves. So given that the party wants to avoid the problem, what makes you think you are special and should get to take your random 2 min break when everybody else is being considerate and taking the time to plan these things out in advance?
If you were partnered with someone, would you think it ok to make him sit around for 14 minutes? No? Then you shouldn't feel it's ok to make seven people wait for 2 mins for your own individual needs. Generally, a mission is short enough that either you could have gone to the bathroom beforehand, or you can wait until the end.
It's the same asshole mentality that leads to the spam problem. "Hey, it's only one more email in their inbox, what's the big deal?" Except that when you do it to lots of people, then it becomes a problem. Do you think you're special or something? What if everybody in the party except one guy had to take a 2 min break at different times according to their own little errands? Then the one guy that didn't would have wasted 14 mins just sitting their waiting around because everybody was only thinking about themselves. So given that the party wants to avoid the problem, what makes you think you are special and should get to take your random 2 min break when everybody else is being considerate and taking the time to plan these things out in advance?
If you were partnered with someone, would you think it ok to make him sit around for 14 minutes? No? Then you shouldn't feel it's ok to make seven people wait for 2 mins for your own individual needs. Generally, a mission is short enough that either you could have gone to the bathroom beforehand, or you can wait until the end.
Dazzler
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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron
Yeah, but I'm not letting my food get cold just so I can cap Amity or something. What's wrong with you people? Don't you do anything other than play the game? You stated DIRECTLY in your posts that you should plan when you need to go to the bathroom. What? How many people do you know can automaticaly say when they'll be needing to go to the bathroom, hours in advance or even minutes?
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So yah, I don't care if you think it's selfish to not starve myself so that Collhealerzor Monk or Hulio The Paladin can get a skill cap from Wyn Thunderhawk; they can wait. |
No one is asking you to starve. They are just asking that you eat on your own time and not on theirs. What happens if when you finish eating (lets say it takes 10 minutes), another player then says hold on his food is ready. And when he finishes, the next player does it. Next thing you know, it is 1.5 hours later and no gaming as been done. It is better for everyone to eat before you start a mission/quest with others, or to have the courtesy to wait and eat afterwards.
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Dinner is another story. If you know dinner is going to be served in 30 minutes, then either don't play the game until you eat, or do some solo'ing or do a small quest/mission so that you can finish before your dinner gets cold and eat without forcing the other players to wait on you to eat. Don't sign up for a long venture with others if you do not plan on giving it your full attention and seeing it through to completion.
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Originally Posted by Aniewiel
To sum up the thread:
1. Going AFK is OK for a short time, say less than 5 minutes. 2. Going AFK for 30 minutes to eat dinner is NOT all right without "permission". If this is going to happen, use simple courtesy and inform the party you are trying to join. Let THEM decide if it's acceptible for you to be gone that long. Generally speaking, breaks of more than 5 minutes are "avoidable" or "planned". While AFKs come up from time to time for all of us, it is wise to simply use basic manners if it happens. Don't just type "AFK" and disappear for 30 minutes. The most basic thing to avoid hundred and fifteen response threads is: USE COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY. Talk to your group BEFORE you head out the gates. If you -do- have to leave for a few minutes, wait for a safe spot then tell your group you'll be right back. |
To restate the obvious, see above.
Dazzler
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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron
You also overlook the fact that not everyone lives in a college dorm room where they can just walk five feet, slap some Ramen noodles into the microwave and get back in 1 minute.
As stated above, what if some's wife/husband makes the meal or some such, you don't know that they are fixing it/done yet, you're in the mission for 30 minutes, s/he calls and says the food's done. What are you going to do? Let it get cold for another hour thirty minutes? |
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Originally Posted by Dazzler
Hmm. Let me think. WWJD? Well, I am not sure, but I know what I do in this situation. I ask my wife what's for dinner and when will we be eating. It's not like she is in some top secret lab and only pops out when the food is ready. Dinner is a daily occurrence and it is easy to plan. If you know dinner time is approaching, Fissure is definately not the place to go, since it takes forever to go through.
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