People Really Need To Give Monks A Break

why would you bring a monk to the Underworld?

you get hit three times and you're dead...nothing a healer can do about that.

Y'know after seeing peoples comments in here about monks it sete it in stone why I never party with real people outside of fissure and uw. Make these dumb generalizations that you think mhenlo will do a better job then a real monk?

You wonder why monks have an attitude problem? Do you have a monk for a char? Didn't think so.....no other class gets abused like a monk. Try making one and see for yourself...

I currently play a monk have some first hand experience with just about all those Acheus mentioned.

It is usually automatically my fault when the elementalist dies in .5 seconds flat when he thinks his uber and charge into pack of mobs, ahead of the tank.

It is also usually automatically my fault too when the group charge forward non stop and I run low on energy after the 3rd battle and all my energy steal/regain skills are not refreshen yet.

"the monk is not very good at healing. or is he a smiting monk?" one says to group.
I say, "I'll be better at healing if I have energy. please pause for 2 seconds after a big fight".

and please, talk to me directly, I am a human player not a henchman. I have a short and simple character name, too, so please don't talk to me like "monk guy, heal me". My character's name is only 1/3 of the length of "monk guy" just fyi.

ok, that's all the rant I need to get off my system today. and to be fair, those only happens with about half of the groups, half of the groups I join are actually decent.

Scenario: I was doing a mission as a monk with 2 Warriors and a Range and myself. The Ranger decides she wants to stop and snipe the monsters off a cliff even though it'd be a lot faster and less annoying to run down the cliff and kill them using EVERYONE! The 2 warriors take off down the cliff, so my natural reaction would be to follow them, rather than stand ontop of a cliff with the slow ranger. Well, she split up from the party and goes her own way, gets herself killed, then spams me saying im a "sh**ty as* monk who doesn't know first thing about the game and any good monk would naturally know what to do" (obviously I'll go with the 2 warrs and not the dumb ranger)

So she goes on saying how pro she is and how amazing she is and how far she's gone and how much money she has and that she's completed this mission 100x with henchies. Now here's where I stray from the rest of you, I decided to do something about it. When it came time for the checkpoint (a small cinematic and revival of the party) I typed a wondrous command... "/sit" I told her if she's so good, and has done it with hench, that she can take her two warriors and finish off the quest.

Of course, she replied with something like "haha noob no problem" and OF COURSE, she was cremated, and I got my revenge on her, sure it means my mission failed near the end, but it wasn't a long mission and it was an early one too (which makes it all the more pathetic that she died).

A lesson to all you non-monks, you need me, whether you like it or not. No matter your class, no matter your secondary class, you NEED me, I am your whole teams very life essence. They only began to realise near the end that they were only alive on account of my enchantments... gee "I was wondering why I blocked half of their attacks, had 7 regeneration and when they finally did land a hit they did 2 damage, I thought that was normal." Idiots.

I should honestly make people beg to join my party from now on, just to prove they won't treat me like a doll. I simply won't take people's abuse and never did. I suck? Then I'll sit here and not heal you at all, see how long you survive.

Well i sort of agree with you on this, after seeing some of the abuse monks took because of peoples "stereotyping" them all as jerks i was a little worried about starting my monk, but its actualy not as hard as i thought it would be i dont have to wait in town for 2 hours for a group so im going much faster though the game but on the other hand every time i play with people i feel as if im one death away from "you suck monk"... but luckly im yet to hear that, but people just need to learn that being a monk can be stressful if people are yelling at them, i find it funny how some people expected Anet to make a game where you can cruse along and never die.. well its a fact that sooner or later good monk or bad, someone will die.. and its not the monks fault if anything blame the thing that killed you for being so mean... but when playing with a monk remeber one thing, they dont grant immortality, just a longer life span

you are probably the reason alot of people have a disdain for monks.....no they don't NEED you...it's NICE to have a monk in your party....but all of these missions can be completed without a Primary healer.....

Having a monk is a privelage. The only death that a monk is responsible for, is the Monk's death. The warrior died? Tough, get better armor, and don't charge into the fray. This isn't Lord of the Rings, no one will recognize you as a great Hero among men. Maybe if you decide to smarten up, I'll think about ressing you and keeping a closer eye on you for protection.

Sorry, may be that ranger was an idiot. Though I rather think you're one of those monks I will never allow in my group. Personally, I don't need you. Not anymore than any other classes.

I only need you if you're in my group and I expect you to perform just as well as other classes. If you're in my group and you're not doing your job you're an asshole no better than those who go afk. You're taking up space and griefing the rest of the group.

Sorry, I have done the final mission without a monk. Wait, in fact I could never do the final mission with a real monk, coz there're just too many dumb cases like yours. So I take the NPC monk and get on with it. Never had a problem shrugs. Besides that idiotic enchantments of yours is gonna get stripped... oh every few seconds or so in the later parts of the game. Too bad you're too stupid to probably notice that anyways.

I'm not a healer, I don't know why everyone assumes I'm a healer. I've proved myself that 95% of the time, a Protection Monk with a little bit of healing does a much better job at keeping the party alive than a Pure Healer.

With me around, you simply do not take physical damage.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that having a monk is a privilege. The class is simply one of the six implemented by AN. It is attitudes like that that give the rest of us a bad name.

Two things a monk should never do no matter how ticked off they are:

1) Refuse to heal.
2) Refuse to resurrect.

I have played with a bunch of numbskulls in the course of "raising" my monk. I have been called things that no one IRL would dare call a 40 something teacher and parent. I have been spammed, cursed at, humiliated and embarassed...or at least -they- think I have been made to feel that way.

But what I have never done is resorted to acting as childish as they. I finish my missions and then, when we're finished, DAMN THE TORPEDOES AND PASS THE AMMUNITION! I tell them what I think. I feel better and then I log off.

Enchantments do not necessarily mean permanent ones, Shielding Hands is an enchantment. Guardian is an Enchantment, Healing Breeze is an enchantment.

well as much as i agree that the ranger had no right to yell at you, you had no right to do what you did, as much as they "need" you.. im pretty sure you "need" them aswell, im sorry to say this but a monk is not known for their bute power and isnt much without someone to heal (or something to smite if you go that way)

Look we have an example of a snobbish monk ;p

All the smart players know that you don't need a monk. Name me one mission where you actually need a monk. I can't think of one. Not one. cept for UW and FoE.

If you don't share the responsibility for a warrior's death, the warrior don't share the responsibility for tanking for you. Heck they don't have any responsibility to attack at all ;p Afterall if you died it's all your fault.

I got this one monk who thinks he can boss me around. He said if you do so and so I'm not gonna heal you. So I told him cool, I'm not gonna attack either =D In fact I'm not gonna tank at all for you, I'm gonna hide at the back and let you do all the tanking oh lo and mighty monk.

You like to lose, so be it. We're going down together >

Privelage.. haha
I mean I guess everyone should thank monks for lowering themselves to joining a group to begin with. I mean its not like the Elementalists, Mesmers, and other classes DO anything.

I have my opinion, and you have yours, the people in this forum are just as bad as in-game. You don't like how I'm confident? Don't bring me along. Sorry that I stand up for myself and I don't let others treat me like a tool. I didn't ask for you opinion on my attitude when I play my monk.

And I have every right to be conceited about it too, with the things I can do with my monk. I don't follow some guys crappy build, I make my own, which ALWAYS works better since nobody ever expects it.. I've converted so many players to from loving healing monks to loving protection monks.

Lol I play a monk and so far iv not experianced any of your problems, but I put that down to me being able to heal well for my level and location. I was in a group doing the Frost Gate mission, and one of my team mates said to me 'monk your awsome, the best iv worked with'.

When im being a monk and things get really tight, usually it results in the death of one of the party. Its a small price to pay letting the lowest level in the party die, so that the highest level elemental can recieve more protection.

I think the other thing that does me well is the fact that im a HEALER and PROTECTOR ONLY. So many monks, in fact most, think theyre actually a warrior or a necro or a mesmer or an ele, and they ultimatly end up being good at nothng and sucking badly when the time comes for one or the other to influence events.

I cant agree with the 'feel' of this post, that the majority of monks are good, and deserve not to team with crap noob warriors etc. Its my experiance that crap people argue and fall out and quit, and the good players try their best and say 'oh well..' when it doesnt work.

Coming on here ranting makes me think your angry, or frustrated. Youll find the invite spam is reduced markedly if you dont actually spend much time in towns and outposts apart from when your LFG. Standing around AFK as a monk when their is a shortage of them, in a busy town or mission outpost annoys the hell out of group leaders far more than it does monks, I find this common occurance to be highly rude and provocative, there are few monks so lets stand around AFK and tease people looking for one.

The majority of monks have far too high an opinion of themselves, their class is vital thats unarguable, but the individual has to be competent atleast to deserve to think this, and most suck badly.

Just because the class you play is important doesnt mean you will automatically be important in a team, if you suck you suck, end of story.

If your good youll stop damn complaining and figure out how to sort other peoples probems out with your own gameplay skill. Its actually not hard especially in PvE.

What about the poor warriors? Ever think of them while you were throwing this tantrum? The best way to deal with some know-it-all kid is to simply act like an adult, and show him you have the maturity and clarity of thought to keep yourself above the situation for the benefit of the party. It may not be as instantly gratifying as putting them in their place but they're going to look back on that situation with a lot more heavy thought than they would an exchance of words with some equally infuriated gamer as happens all too often.

First of all a case like that should have never occured if you determined a party leader before you started the mission. If your ranger asked you to wait and nuke them from afar then you should have a party leader make the decision. The ranger probably wasnt stupid he was just making a suggestion. Sounds like the two warriors were the stupid ones. And as for monks being blamed for deaths...that should never happen. As for monks going AFK that is childish. As for monks being NEEDED..sure but there are plenty more than the assholes that are out there to choose from. Rule of thumb...just try to get along and you will never have to play w/ that person again after the mission

They are very, very useful, but not so useful when they've been slaughtered. I'm the one who buys them time and allow them to cast spells - without interruption.

That is sort of what I was trying to say, Palanis. Thanks for your much more coherent words.

However, I got shot down by Mr. Confident.