People Really Need To Give Monks A Break

Henchman have 3 pieces of infused armor so they arent as protected but they have 3/5 of the protection of a PC.

But even on that mission? When they shouldn't? Seems a little stupid to have them infused and not you. They should have to work for it, too, damnit!

I guess I would be a snobby monk, when i join a group I put up the following rules:

1. Call your targets and communicate.
2. Do not agro what does not need to be agro'ed
3. Do not run off on your own, or run in when a monk calls energy
4. Do not talk bad/bash any members of the party.

Violating any of the above rules results in no healing for you. Constant monk abuse will make me leave the party.

once I started doing that I got nothing but great parties and i've only had to not heal 2 people which were by all aspects complete asses.

So I set my rules and if they choose not to follow them they have concsequences but it makes the party more enjoyable for anyone when the team works as a team.

And for the warrior comment, its just that the game is flooded with 12 year old warrior's who run off. I always make sure to compliment anyone who is doing a great job or an exception job at helping out.

those rules dont sound too unreasonable at least thats my opinion. Yes i have seen ppl rush a head and all that. When ppl are doing that kind of thing they have to be sure they can handle whats up ahead which if you have great experience with the area they might be able to but it is still always nice to bring the whole party with ya. Also if you warn your party your going to scout up ahead if you decide too would also be very hrlpful.

Psh. Who needs a monk when you can get a bunch of warriors like the Griffen run guy?

Umpf. Good rules, I follow them with the monk char AND the other characters. Still.
monks are so requested that they often start being snobbish. Heard in thirsty river:

"I only work in 3-monk groups." (you noticed you're the only monk in town?)
"Too many mesmers, I quit." (thank you for the vote of confidence)
"ok I'm coming." (left 20 seconds into the mission)
"Yes, I'm a healer monk, but I'm training my secondary mesmer so I'm not healing anyone." (did you realize you're the only monk in the group?)
"No ppl under lev 20, or I quit." (Bye, monk.)
"You want me, pay me 5k." (Here's your sign.)

Know what? We did thirsty river with a me/mk as primary healer. And we did fine. Flexibility, common sense, and being nice to people are all that is requested. Sure... twas hard. Sure... took our resurrection signets and a lot of tactics. But I'd choose that group over 3 monks any day.

3 monk groups? I'd love them too. I wouldn't get blamed for anything with so many places to throw it around! Why the hell would you need that outside of UW/FoW, and even then I debate the utility of 3 healing/prot monks (smiters are fine).

I have a monk and I do feel that some of this is...Uncalled for. Some monks are complete assholes-Truth, some are nice-Truth. A few times on my monk I've gotten nasty/snobbish or whatever you call it. A few times I've let party members die because they have directly gone agianst "Don't fallow those guys to closely or you'll mess up the bonus!" or something else I said that would only have benefited the party. The times that I am an ass always...IS when there are tooo many warriors. I was invited by a team (6 W/mos) I accept, immediately said "Eeew, W/mos?" and left. As a ranger being my primary character and receiving "Flames" from warriors all the time (You run like a bitch, You do no damage, etc.) I feel that I must do that.

Too the part in my post above about leaving W/mos. I will also leave parties that are not Balenced. My Idea of a good party is (8 person party), 1 Warrior (We only really need one of these)
1 Mesmer
2 monks
1 ranger
2 elementalists
1 necromancer

Occasionally I'll leave out a Ranger/Mesmer/Necromancer because they do not accept my invite. Sometimes, the party I'm in demands 3 warriors!! Roooarr!!

This is my first post in the forum, and I registered just to respond to this thread. Thank you for defending us poor healer monks.

We seriously get so much crap that not even I can believe it, sometimes. They're treated worse than the cleric class was in D&D, and those were just called "heal b*tches" sometimes.

Now for my rant: I'm sick and tired of warriors who, when they die, complain that I am a crappy healer and that I never do anything. I try to convince them that it's hard to heal with 1 out of 50 energy remaining, while also making the observation that if I only had 1 energy left, then I must've been doing something. However, they erect their irrational walls, giving them +20 armor against logic. Seriously guys, how do you think you lived that long? Did you think that A.net felt sorry that you were dying and decided to auto-heal you? I think not. That would be me, working my ass off, trying to keep everyone in the party alive (especially the other monk). So you died anyways? Well, it happens. It usually happens when I have no energy left.

Now for another rant: So my healing monk had finally ascended, and I was extremely proud of him. I got to the Dragon's Lair, and got into a party right away to do the next mission and continue the story. Then, I tell them, "don't go anywhere after the loading screen, I take a long time loading." Sure enough, they proceed right into the first area, without waiting for me. Well, I finally finish loading and I start healing them up, and they just leave the other monk in the dust. So now I'm running forward and healing the wars, and a little ways back healing the monk. Finally, a ranger/necro battling in the front lines dies, and complains that I "don't ------g do anything" and that "I suck." Since when is trying to keep EVERYONE in the party alive nothing?

So people, please be nice to your healing monk, and treat him with a little respect. He's just trying to save your guys' lives, and it would be much easier to do so without all the flaming and complaining. I enjoy being a healing monk immensely, but those experiences just sort of suck the fun out of it for me.

Thanks for reading a rant by a tired-out healer.

P.S: I ended up doing that mission with my "sucky" skills and 7 henchmen with ease on my first try with henchman only.

Well put. More then often I find myself running back and forth between halves of my party putting up with spams of "HEEEEEEEL ME11111." I also have to put up with retarded warriors or whatever else is in my party running into a large group of monsters we can't possibley beat.

monking sucks, but we do it anyway. We are so darn cute!

Monk != God Mode. Not enough people in PvE (at least) realise this, and then they bitch and whine like there's no tomorrow when it doesn't work out like "God Mode On!"

I've devoleped a attitude for when I'm playing as a healer monk, I don't take crap from anyone.

I know I am a good monk so if somone gives me trouble in a group I'll give warning and then let them die once, seccond offence they stay dead, third offence I leave

[QUOTE=Malchiel]This is why, don't take monk for PvE, seriously. Well except for UW/FoW. Too bad they don't have lvl 20 NPC healers in ToA, otherwise I'd probably prefer that to most monks standing around there too.

Get the henchies.

1) They do a better job than some unknown monk.
2) They will never leave your group.
3) They never whine or bitch
4) They're smarter than most monks
5) They don't have an attitude problem
6) They don't go afk
7) And so on...




I disagree there is a number of monk out there who know what to do for example ME, i only people i dont fight and i stay in the group till the end
i might talk too much but i dont whine so give us monk a break

Um, excuse me.
1. Yeah, until their energy runs out due to lack of management.
2. Gee, because monks are the only class that will ever ditch you....
3. So they're better than you too...
4. This goes for pretty much every profession. Some of us are good, some
are not. Learn to deal.
5. Unlike you.
6. See #2
7. ...

Okay, I'm tired of seeing peoeple make Martyrs (ha) out of Monks. If anything
goes wrong, be it the party dies due to the tank running into 3+ mobs, who's
the first to get yelled at? Take a wild stab. This happened to me the other
night, when I decided to do the Ring of Fire missions to collect bonuses. The
tank, I kid you not, aggroed 5 SEPERATE GROUPS OF MURSAAT. On top of it
later we found out he was uninfused. Yeah, but guess what, it was MY fault
he died. The rest of the group then jumped to his side. So I left. I don't take
shit from people online, especially morons.

The people that think monks are snobs probably have never played one, and
think monking is as simple as pushing 1 key and job done. They're broad gener
alizations and I'm sick of them. It's one of the reasons I'm leaving this game
alone until Chapter 2. Monks endure the better half, if not a majority of the
worst harassment and flaming in the game. We're blamed for EVERYTHING.
I've even had Purple Runes out of a Gold Armor blamed on me. No kidding.
So allow me to throw up a few numbered points of my own.

1. We're not gods. Neither are you. Don't assume such.
2. Our energy pool has a peak. It DOES run out. Even with management.
Plan Accordingly
3. WE DO NOT EXIST ON THIS PLANET SIMPLY FOR YOUR USE.
There are other things I can be doing besides Grouping through Hell's
for the millionth time.
4. We can't (read: CAN'T) save you if you get yourself in over your head,
nor should you expect us too.
5. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PARTY. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT
ONE OR TWO WHOLE SECONDS TO GET HEALED. Try bringing a self-heal
as well next time.
6. IF YOU DON'T WAIT FOR REGEN THE PARTY WILL DIE. IT IS NOT DUE TO
BAD MONKING, IT IS DUE TO YOU BEING A RETARD AND IGNORING THE NEEDS
OF YOUR PARTY.
7. I'm done...for now.

1.you nailed it.
2. Same
3.same.
4.same.

wait...do you see a trend? I agree tenfold with how you stated things, like usual rosette =)

--The Shim

I think I'm in love.

Whenever I'm monking, if I get any attitude or hint of an idiotic warrior or any other whiner in the group, I throw in Vengeance, and let them learn their place. The life of the group is in my hands, and I will GLADLY heal the other 6 people, leaving you out. And as someone said before, I have a name, and it's not "monk."

I've decided to make a Monk as my second character (3rd if you count my storage character). On my ele I've noticed Human Monks are unreliable, I don't mind them quitting before the mission, but when they accept, push to go intot he mission, then quit at the start or middle without warning leaving us buggered, then monks have given themselves a bad name, I've had this happen in succesion at times and it gives the good monks a bad name.

As for your saying on listening to monks, I had such a case in The Wilds today, I kept pinging the fact I had no energy left and Mr Invincible Warrior still charges on x.x

Anyone here been a Preist on Ragnarok Online?

HEAL PLZ! I GIV ZENY!

all i can say is whenever a monk or anyone for that matter joins my team i actually treat em with respect since thats what they tell u in kindergarten "treat others how you want to be treated"

Why are you monks complaining?
You're the first they search for in a coop mission or in Temple of ages, I always have to start my own group when I play with my necro or ranger, unless I want to "LFG, MISSION!" for 2 hours.

Hell, my friend uses a monk and he even asks 2k to join a group in Thunderhead keep and yes people do desperately pay him to join.

It's kind of a waste of time to preach to people about how monks aren't just tools. They don't care, nor do they listen. Whenever I'm monking, if someone treats me like a tool, I don't explain, I don't whine, I don't leave.

I sit down, and enjoy the fireworks. It gets them frustrated until the entire group turns against the moron who discriminated against me. Then we usually start the mission over replacing the loudmouth.

I think some people take pve too seriously. Sure, I'll do everything I can to keep people alive, but I'm not going to cry if somebody dies because they don't know how to shake aggro, or atleast bring one defensive skill. Don't bitch me out because you chose to stand there and tank 5 avicaras as an ele. If anybody dies in seconds flat in PVE they are certainly doing something wrong. Take insults with a grain of salt.

And there are bad monks out there. But I would think the proportion of bad monks to bad players of any other class is probably pretty close. It's just that when you get a bad monk people notice it because they die. Or because they're using some ridiculous skillbar with firestorm or something.

Of course there are times when you should take a hard look at how you play your character. Consider swapping skills around, even if you don't think it was your fault the group failed the mission. If you find yourself always running out of energy, try bringing a skill for energy management. Or even try signet of devotion.

I know when I'm playing with a good group when I always have energy left over after a fight. Conversely it's when you play with a bad group that you expend all of your energy and somebody dies, and then you get insulted. In either case, learning how to shake aggro and having a decent tank in your party goes a long way.

The best way to keep yourself out of the idiot parties is to group with friends or guildmates. And if I do PuG, I'd hardly ever want to be invited to a 7/8 PuG group with no other monk. I'm not trying to be difficult, but unless I know most of the team is competent I probably won't bother joining. It's not worth my time and effort to be an afterthought in somebody's party.

I play a monk and I totally understand when people say we're snobbish, but you have to understand that it's usually through frustration, not thinking we're better than others. A huge numbers of players seem to have no idea how monks operate, and they'll put us in a position where it's impossible to keep them alive while making sure we and the rest of the group dont die in the process. When we get all these group invites, we know that picking the wrong one means we'll be getting the blame when someone else makes a mistake.

A monks healing range is quite small, our energy is precious and only bad monks use up all their energy keeping everyone at full health all the time. So if you're slowly taking damage and approach 50% health, it's not because I'm ignoring you, it's because any minute now a vulnerable class might get agro and use up tons of my energy to stop him dyng in 5 seconds.

So when people shout "heal!" or "res me!", I tell them not to tell a monk how to do their job, because if theres any way possible to heal or res, i'd have done it. That may sound snobbish, but most other classes wouldn't put up with half the crap we take about not doing their job when it's entirely down to their own ignorance.

I'd like to suggest those who complain about monks try to play one themselves for a large chunk/most of the campaign. Eventually you will understand why it's possible monk players can (possibly but not necessarily) get cynical and fed up or whatever. As for Malchiel's flamebait post, most of the points raised in that apply just as well to all the other classes.

Oh and if you feel someone isn't such a great monk (in your opinion, note do you play as a monk?) at the very least they are TRYING, think about that next time. They didn't have to help you or the team, and someone trying is better than nothing at all.

Oh...yeah I have been Yelled at because I didn't HEAL them enough....Well when they run way ahead of the group and do not look at the mana I am spamming...meaning I need a 10sec regen...then don't expect me to heal you if you are out of range.

This is why I always spam my spells...so people can see how much I am energy I am using on them.

Anyways...it has been a real big problem anymore since I have found a great mature guild that knows to hold up and take down the bad guys a little at a time. Planning goes a long way...

Quoted FTW

Yes...and sometimes we are waiting for them to go below 50% so Word of Healing & Divine Boon together gets them back up to snuff!

Just a quick note, this is rather a reflex of how mature players are then a consequence of the game itself.

The game is played a lot by immature teenagers that from time to time like to piss other people of and act like an idiot.Of course there are mature teenagers playing the game as well.But the balance is common and very healthy for every society;

And in my opinion the average PvE player itself isn't very good, and that's why so many people don't like public groups. This would change if everyone did PvP more, but since i read a review of Guild Wars that stated the only PvP part of Guild Wars PvE was the pre-searing mission, I don't know how many players know they can PvP in PvE.

Sorry if i'm repeating what someone already said, because i might have skipped one or other post.

I used to get a kick whenever WoH worked properly back when it was buggy (at least I used to think it was)

Monks are definitely overworked and underappreciated. Whenever I see a monk doing a half decent job I feel it's my duty to tell them they did well.

Have you hugged a monk today?

One thing that really bothers me in missions or even just quests with PUGs is the constant doodling on the corner map. If I was on say my ele, I wouldnt care as much, but with the way my screen is set up for monking, the life bars are very close to the map. It's a very big distraction as a monk, for me at least. Anyway, I politely ask the members of the group to stop this, explaining that I dont like it and that its a distraction. I give them maybe 2-3 chances, most often 2...one warning and then a second chance. I also tell them that if they dont stop they will lose their monks(my husband is usually with me on his monk too) because of the distraction. If they do it a third time, I leave..no warning, then of course I see other members of the group back in the city, begging for us.

Once, we even let this ranger die because he wouldnt let go of his vampiric bow. Even though his life was slowly draining. He didnt do it, even after giving him a regular bow to hold when not fighting. He still didnt switch, so we watched him die, twice. Both times we told him he was killing himself. Then some guy rezed him, the ranger said something like "someone's nice here" and then the rezzer guy left. Oh well.

It's always fun to be a monk, getting constantly chased, while still trying to save everyone else. Swear to god being a monk is seriously boring also, all you do is heal, heal, protection, remove hex/condition, heal, and rez. Yeah you can smite, but is smiting going to overcome a good nuker? Though in reality, monks are the backbone of any group, unless people actually start wising up and bring good self heals it will never happen. *cough* w/mo's *cough*

Henchie Monks are better than most human Monks. Sure hench have thier probs but I will take a hench Monk over a unknown pug Monk anyday.

As I have mentioned before in this thread I'm sure.... I used to play Monk myself(still do for guildies) but I have since quit as I got tired of taking so much crap from ignorant players, not to mention staring at the Red Bars O' Life gets really, really, really old.

Monking is a chore. Monking sucks.

*Warning, Wall of Text Ahead, Dun say i didnt warn u *

First things first, I play a Nec Warrior n a Monk. Have played a Ranger, Mesmer and even an ele. I've tried all the classes so i know how it feels at times.

I come from both side of the fence. Apart from the people in SF, how many of our so called tankers actually use a stance? How many actually use a knight's piece/rune of absorbtion? There's no way in hell we can heal someone whose life drops in 1/2 a sec because he was not wearing the proper gear. I play a tank - there are so many means and methods to avoid damage as a warrior - yet most of the time in pve, none of the tanks actually know how to take dmg.

Another reason? Instead of healing the partymembers, we end up healing ourselves. Y? Because the group aggoed makes a beeline for the "softer" targets. PvE missions can be ridiculously simple, if the tank actually went up and body blocked those running melee mobs. Really simple thought process : tanks that actually do tank.

Monks energy is not infinite. One of the best methods of having infinite energy is having OoB - but that means we cant use WoH, a super heal. Bad trade off. But sometimes, we just cant heal if the dmg sustained is too large. Usually, in GW, most of the mobs can be healed - if the dmg is surreal, then something is wrong with the WHOLE build and not just the monk. Say i go down to sf in a 5 man farm group - we got no problems taking big groups simply because our build was designed to do that. If the whole build sucked, then there is no way to effectively execute anything. Similar in pvp. The reason y IWAY works decently is simply because its effective at dealing dmg. The reason y Healing balls of 8 man monks work because they are effective at curing dmg. In order for a build to be successful, the healer n the rest of the group must mesh together. Sometimes, the reason why there's not enough dmg to kill an enemy fast is because in many instances, classes like Ranger/Mes/Ele are ignored.

That said. I;ve seen sh*tty monks, both prot n heal. Eg. Some do not know the value of a well timed healing seed, dun know how to deal with conditions and hexes. Some just spam heal party thinking that would save the day. (unless say u have a glyph of energy, then by all means go ahead). Some are just plain 11year old kids spamming swearwords without even realising what they are doing. Are they idiots? Yes.

My solution? I form my own party. I get guildies to help out or i call friends. Hell, a simple 5 man oro farm i do with my buddies is something that i'm reluctant to trust with a 6 man PUG. I form my own party, (unless its a farming run), if in 10 min i dont see the class i want, be it a mesmer ranger monk or warrior, i just pay a visit to mhenlo and off i go. If someone in my party says henchies suck, i boot him and get a henchie (that doesnt say henchies suck) and move.

There are some stupid monks out there (most of them have monk chars for farming purposes). I have a monk character (not for farming, I have a warrior for that) so I can agree with the monk side of the fence. I also have a warrior and an ele so I can agree with the non monk side as well. This is a problem with no possible solution in sight. Unless GW incorperates some sort of a contract between players, but to me that sounds rediculous. Monks do not have infinite energy, AC is much lower so they can't take as much damage. If you see a monk in trouble help him out, and if you see signs of a snobbish monk beffore mission then BOOT HIS ASS. Im tired of these monks giving the rest of us a bad name.

You would rather have a henchie in mission especailly an important one to keep you healed up.They are no where near as good as real player Monk is the ones I see and you can't change their skills around.The time I stop useing henchies is at Naloni Academy.The problem is everyone is so uppity or nervous and want to get it ober an done with as soon as possible that is why the missions in GW is a failiar to teach those how to cooperate between each other being a cooperative game.If I had my way i would pull the missions and replace them with quests and I certainly wouldn't put skills to be capped in missions you should get all even elites by quests not missions.

I've NEVER charged anyone for me to join their group. When I'm not keeping my guildies healed up in low missions or just hanging out helping, I'm going around the Ring of Fire and Shiverpeaks helping anyone who needs a monk. I also don't think monking sucks or is boring, personally I think its the most fast paced class. You need to watch your ass on screen, watch health bars, make split second healing decisions, watch your energy management... AND argue with the warrior who's health isnt at 100% the entire time.

IGN: Eldarin Ithuliel.

Monks work the hardest in teams and get the most shit for it, i find healing good fun for a while, but i'd like to go to UW as a Mesmer or air ele once or twice, just can never get the teams for it, people either think mesmers suck or are already full with warriors.

Also when healing i find i get less drops, people often tell me its BS, but i swear by it, i think monks should get more drops rather than less.

Well seem some people dont appreciate us human monk, they rather take a henchman here what HENCHMAN stick to you like a glue they will die if you die they dont know how to runaway

AND yesterday really piss me off our only warrior in a group decide to wait for and item to be unreserve so he can pick it up [well that what he said he was doing] while the rest of us die fighting and he blame me for not healing

I am pro healing monk. I think human monks can be great, compared to henchy.

Firstly, Alesia always loves to get into group fight, and worst yet seldom runs when she is being gangbanged. Also she does stupid things, all the time. The amount of times I wanted her to run away and res me later or res me first so I can run instead of res another NPC, who would not, just grows larger and larger.

Some human monks can also sucks, especially those that M/W that wield a sword and seldom heals . Or those that get a God complex, and give the team tons of crap. But mostly I think most human HEALER/PROTECTOR monks are better then henchy. Surpisingly a human monk + Lina or Alesia makes a great team .

As I have played a monk, I must say that:
1. We do not have infinity energy
2. Spells do have reload and casting times
3. If enemies attack monks, pls note that we will mostly heal themselves
4. If enemies attack, monk skills have high chances of being interrupted and we get stunned reload time on healing skill(=bad for all)
5, I cannot believe the amt of times I have seem pple stand on AoE spells, and expect monks to heal them
6. We seem to get less loot
7. If groups are split, come on how are we going to run up and down to heal and not die? Also factor in healing & running time
8. Pple get some better armor, or mages stop rushing and warriors boost your armor. Many times I end up mass healing one guy who loves to rush or is a mage attacking at close combat, and I run out of energy and pple complain why I don't heal group faster.
9. We die fast, so STOP RUSHING! AND PROTECT US!
10. Monks stop wielding swords and rushing in, our job is to heal not FARM or ATTACK.

On the other hand, if a monk is being the craphead and you are warrior just don't tank for him/her and see how they like it.

It works, they start crying when they realize how not-so-god-like they are.

It's the monks who should be cutting everyone else a break