People Really Need To Give Monks A Break
NinjaKai
Similar situation I had. I was in a group with some low level players. Next thing I know a ton of skeleton mesmers pop up. And they all start complaining abou their energy being stolen, blah, blah, blah. They then start shouting abuse at how I should use my skills on them. At that point I sit back and watch them get their asses kicked. My word of advice to them. Thing is they we're mostly elementalist hence their complaining about energy loss. The moral of this story, piss of the mesmer and they won't do shit to help you. Once we restarted I used a self-preservation build. Same thing happened they died I lived. 
The joys of holding a grudge.
BBoy_Manchild
i dont give monks a break on anything, if a warrior plays bad or a ranger pulls too many or if an ele uses firestorm they get ragged on, just cause you heal others makes you exempt from being berated?
were supposed to become hypocrites and give monks special treatment?
were supposed to become hypocrites and give monks special treatment?
xxSilhouette
/signed
I hate it when people yell at monks beacuse they are low of energy or beacuse they die.
I posted this on a similar thread - I was in the wilds mission and someone decided to go a different way beacuse they thought they could solo (at a level 14) and so we just kept going, about 2 minutes later "MONK I DIED COME REZ ME COME REZ ME" im sorry, but i wasn't about to backtrack and stop heailng the other 4 people in the group beacuse he wanted to solo.
I hate it when people yell at monks beacuse they are low of energy or beacuse they die.
I posted this on a similar thread - I was in the wilds mission and someone decided to go a different way beacuse they thought they could solo (at a level 14) and so we just kept going, about 2 minutes later "MONK I DIED COME REZ ME COME REZ ME" im sorry, but i wasn't about to backtrack and stop heailng the other 4 people in the group beacuse he wanted to solo.
Anraeth
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Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild
i dont give monks a break on anything, if a warrior plays bad or a ranger pulls too many or if an ele uses firestorm they get ragged on, just cause you heal others makes you exempt from being berated?
were supposed to become hypocrites and give monks special treatment? |
Only if you want them to heal you. But complain all you want.
Ure Maker
my input
STFU stop flaming, dissing, etc MONKS until u have made a MONK from pre-sear to completion it isnt all roses!
end RANT
my monk has been thanked many times from a warrior who charges in like usual and iv keep him alive (barely)
STFU stop flaming, dissing, etc MONKS until u have made a MONK from pre-sear to completion it isnt all roses!
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my monk has been thanked many times from a warrior who charges in like usual and iv keep him alive (barely)
Former Ruling
My Story. I only monk as a Boon Bonder in the Random Arena. That is..bond everyone..and spam RoF under Boon.
Anyway..First match, We never even get damaged good, and a guy says "great healing monk". I think this is pretty good.
Next Game, we face a hammer Warrior and one of those hammer rangers w/ pet thats popular now, we fight..they kill my team except for me and this other dude, and I'm doing all I can do just to stay alive inbetween being Knocked down and getting space inbetween me and the hammers. Like 10-20 secs after this, same guy from last game (who is dead now) says "No Rez?..Noob Monk" and leaves.
>_> Sorry for being knocked down every 5 secs.
Anyway..First match, We never even get damaged good, and a guy says "great healing monk". I think this is pretty good.
Next Game, we face a hammer Warrior and one of those hammer rangers w/ pet thats popular now, we fight..they kill my team except for me and this other dude, and I'm doing all I can do just to stay alive inbetween being Knocked down and getting space inbetween me and the hammers. Like 10-20 secs after this, same guy from last game (who is dead now) says "No Rez?..Noob Monk" and leaves.
>_> Sorry for being knocked down every 5 secs.
Unkemptwolf
I was in thirsty river as a monk once. We had a necromancer as the team leader, and we were in the process of attacking one of the last groups(not the last group, it was number 5 i think). The clock is approaching a two minute interval (it was at 5:35, i think), and there were only two enemies left, the boss and the priest, and everyone was attacking the boss. I called the priest as a target (since the entire team was about to res if we didnt kill him), we killed the priest and then finished off the boss and I thought everything was fine... until the leader started berating me, talking about how this was HER team and only SHE was supposed to call targets (no one had said anything about this before or during the mission, and other people had been calling targets), and I needed to "quit being such a n00b" and "learn my place, monk."
I was getting ready to go find another team (as a level 20 monk in thirsty river, it takes all of about 10 seconds) and leave them to rot, until all the other party members rush to my defense, and told her that I was right and she needed to keep her mouth shut.
My point is, that some people never appreciate a monk (even when they are right, while some people understand that a monk is essential to finishing the mission (even when its 5/6 of the way done). It made me all warm and fuzzy inside.
I was getting ready to go find another team (as a level 20 monk in thirsty river, it takes all of about 10 seconds) and leave them to rot, until all the other party members rush to my defense, and told her that I was right and she needed to keep her mouth shut.
My point is, that some people never appreciate a monk (even when they are right, while some people understand that a monk is essential to finishing the mission (even when its 5/6 of the way done). It made me all warm and fuzzy inside.
FalconDance
Even before I had a monk, I *tried* to keep in mind the idea that healers had a rought job....
Now I have a healer poised for the Fire Islands. I've taken to doing the missions accompanied by another trusted healer friend or two.
I've been in parties with great monks and I've been in with horrid ones. Unfortunately the later seems to be the rule, not the exception. I've had more monks desert a party for no apparent reason (not talking disconnects), verbally abusive in an uncalled for manner, and generally were asses than any other profession.
Why monks would charge for their services is beyond me. They're supposed to be part of the team. Personally, I've not been on the cruel end of nastiness. If a tank or a ranger (there always seems to at least one) rushes ahead on a solo rampage, well, I refuse to leave everyone else to tend to his or her personal vanity. Had that yesterday at THK (I was playing a nec/monk who was back-up healer) with a fem-tank who thought she could take on everyone solo. We healers refused to follow. She died (still think it was really a 14 yr old boy behind the keyboard) outside the fort and didn't dare say anything after it was evident that the rest of us, who had stuck to the original game plan, were doing fine and eventually were victorious.
To all you monks who are pompous, arrogant and holier-than-thou jack-offs, you give us all a bad name. I suppose if that's how you enjoy playing and are actually successful in finding ppl who will put up with your nastiness, then okay. Hopefully, those individuals will simply kick you to the curb where you belong and invite some of the rest of us who try to do our jobs in as pleasant a manner as possible.
All I ask, on behalf of healers everywhere, is that if your healer toggles low on energy (or if you've just finished a hairy battle and can reasonably assume you were healed quite a bit), PLEASE give your healer a time to regen. Sometimes it's hard to remember in the heat of things.
But remember: if your healer has no energy, you have no life.
***My name is Cait Nic Cailleach and I am a Healer***
Now I have a healer poised for the Fire Islands. I've taken to doing the missions accompanied by another trusted healer friend or two.
I've been in parties with great monks and I've been in with horrid ones. Unfortunately the later seems to be the rule, not the exception. I've had more monks desert a party for no apparent reason (not talking disconnects), verbally abusive in an uncalled for manner, and generally were asses than any other profession.
Why monks would charge for their services is beyond me. They're supposed to be part of the team. Personally, I've not been on the cruel end of nastiness. If a tank or a ranger (there always seems to at least one) rushes ahead on a solo rampage, well, I refuse to leave everyone else to tend to his or her personal vanity. Had that yesterday at THK (I was playing a nec/monk who was back-up healer) with a fem-tank who thought she could take on everyone solo. We healers refused to follow. She died (still think it was really a 14 yr old boy behind the keyboard) outside the fort and didn't dare say anything after it was evident that the rest of us, who had stuck to the original game plan, were doing fine and eventually were victorious.
To all you monks who are pompous, arrogant and holier-than-thou jack-offs, you give us all a bad name. I suppose if that's how you enjoy playing and are actually successful in finding ppl who will put up with your nastiness, then okay. Hopefully, those individuals will simply kick you to the curb where you belong and invite some of the rest of us who try to do our jobs in as pleasant a manner as possible.
All I ask, on behalf of healers everywhere, is that if your healer toggles low on energy (or if you've just finished a hairy battle and can reasonably assume you were healed quite a bit), PLEASE give your healer a time to regen. Sometimes it's hard to remember in the heat of things.
But remember: if your healer has no energy, you have no life.
***My name is Cait Nic Cailleach and I am a Healer***
SaintGreg
I played through the game as a monk with my first character. I sucked, but it seemed like I always had good experiences with pugs. About 4 characters later and I played through the game as a monk monk again. Pugs were terrible this time around it seemed like. For example I had a recent Hell's precipice adventure where many of thr group did not follow instructions very well, whether they were dropping winter right in front of a spark of the titans, or running too far ahead of the group. I was effectively the only healer for much of the game, which made it hard when squishies didn't run around when they were taking damage.
Thankfully we did beat it. And thankfully it wasn't even that hard because they did listen somewhat and we had plenty of damage even after losing both warriors. On thunderhead keep we were forming a pug and were going to use the torch tank trick. Before starting the leader spent about 10 minutes going over what everyone needed to do when we got to the keep - ie stay by the king and stay behind the tank, etc. Not only did I find it helpful to talk to the group and make sure people knew what they were doing, it was good that everyone had some rapport before we started so we knew nobody was going to be a jackass or anything. About 45 minutes, two hairy spots, and only two deaths later, we were finished and it was the easiest mission ever. It was really only for an accidental two group aggro that we were even close to dying. After that mission and seeing the party leader do that I never want to do another mission without spending some time before-hand to talk to everyone.
Thankfully we did beat it. And thankfully it wasn't even that hard because they did listen somewhat and we had plenty of damage even after losing both warriors. On thunderhead keep we were forming a pug and were going to use the torch tank trick. Before starting the leader spent about 10 minutes going over what everyone needed to do when we got to the keep - ie stay by the king and stay behind the tank, etc. Not only did I find it helpful to talk to the group and make sure people knew what they were doing, it was good that everyone had some rapport before we started so we knew nobody was going to be a jackass or anything. About 45 minutes, two hairy spots, and only two deaths later, we were finished and it was the easiest mission ever. It was really only for an accidental two group aggro that we were even close to dying. After that mission and seeing the party leader do that I never want to do another mission without spending some time before-hand to talk to everyone.
baz777
I can’t remember the last time someone had a go at me in PVE now that I’m in the later stages of the game, (not sure if its because I now am a more accomplished monk or I’m just lucky in joining good friendly groups).
I personally think the main problem stems from the severe lack of monks in PVE. I always advertise myself as being a healer monk and I am usually accepted on that basis. On the very few occasions that I have been asked to change to prot monk I have politely declined and explained that I have never played a prot monk and it would not be beneficial to the group – this has always been accepted.
With regards to changing skills at others request I am more than happy to consider it, (SB in UW2 last week for instance).
Many groups are just happy to get their 2/3 monks and go without worrying if they have 3 heal, 2 heal/1 prot etc…………..
I would much rather a group ask me questions about my build than not, as this would suggest that they have actually put some thought into the formation of the group.
I’m of the opinion that monks generally get proportionally more complements than the other professions. The ‘nice monking’, or ‘thanks’ after rez’ing, is in my experience quite common. Even I must admit to not generally saying ‘well done Mr Warrior for despatching that Hydra so swiftly’, or ‘well done Mr Mes for doing whatever weird stuff you do so efficiently’.
As for arrogance, that unfortunately is not confined to any one profession. In fact I was congratulated by a number of the group for picking up 2 greens at the end of UW2 last weekend when they received none. I have also congratulated team members on receiving good drops, (although I do admit to thinking ‘lucky git’ or similar when this happens, I’m am only human after all).
Unfortunately a bad monk, and I’ve met a few, are much more evident than a good one.
I personally think the main problem stems from the severe lack of monks in PVE. I always advertise myself as being a healer monk and I am usually accepted on that basis. On the very few occasions that I have been asked to change to prot monk I have politely declined and explained that I have never played a prot monk and it would not be beneficial to the group – this has always been accepted.
With regards to changing skills at others request I am more than happy to consider it, (SB in UW2 last week for instance).
Many groups are just happy to get their 2/3 monks and go without worrying if they have 3 heal, 2 heal/1 prot etc…………..
I would much rather a group ask me questions about my build than not, as this would suggest that they have actually put some thought into the formation of the group.
I’m of the opinion that monks generally get proportionally more complements than the other professions. The ‘nice monking’, or ‘thanks’ after rez’ing, is in my experience quite common. Even I must admit to not generally saying ‘well done Mr Warrior for despatching that Hydra so swiftly’, or ‘well done Mr Mes for doing whatever weird stuff you do so efficiently’.
As for arrogance, that unfortunately is not confined to any one profession. In fact I was congratulated by a number of the group for picking up 2 greens at the end of UW2 last weekend when they received none. I have also congratulated team members on receiving good drops, (although I do admit to thinking ‘lucky git’ or similar when this happens, I’m am only human after all).
Unfortunately a bad monk, and I’ve met a few, are much more evident than a good one.
Oraculum
I've had 99% good experiences as a primary monk in groups I've joined. Almost always get a "gj monking" or similar. I've been on the receiving end of a very small amount of abuse only once, complaining at me several times, with 0 energy, for not healing him/her. I simply said "I had no energy, you need to let me regen. Quit complaining plz or you'll be healing yourself =]" Did the trick, and he/she was fine after that and said thanks at the end.
bele
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I should honestly make people beg to join my party from now on, just to prove they won't treat me like a doll. I simply won't take people's abuse and never did. I suck? Then I'll sit here and not heal you at all, see how long you survive.
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That'd be too sad indeed. You'll find jerks all over the game, but they are a minory and less when the game gets further. Don't punish a whole party for the kiddish behaviour of a stupid.
Many times other members of the party will defend you either, so your'e not alone against a mob of morons.
Don't let the abuse affect you either. Just say "next time no heal for you". Usually the jerk quits after yelling like mad or shuts up.
Then your party can continue the mission
Shut Your Mouth
Well after only reading a few of the posts in this thread I can already see the flame factor towards monks. My first character was a ranger and I had my share of bad PvE monks! The guild I was in needed more monk's for PvP so I ran one through the paces and walla I'm a monk. I hav'nt looked back since. It only took a few undesirables in a group to make it quite evident just how bad the Monk gets all the blame for every mistake made by the GROUP! A monk is usually only 20% of the party. There are bad monks out there, and yes some have serious attitude. The same goes for all character classes in this game. I usually find it more productive to actually try to talk to a player that is making the whole group suffer due to lack of experience as opposed to yelling or blaming the player.
I personally think that a monk is the most complex profession to play in GW due to the fact that most professions usually only worry about their target until it or they have died! A monk is worried about every party member and themselves. We have to worry about conditions hexes and health for the entire team and decision making is what determines a good monk and a bad monk. You ,as a monk, will have to make the call to let one player die in order to save the rest of the team. All you can hope for is a competent team to work together and not place blame everytime something goes wrong. It is up to the rest of the team to watch for how much they aggro. Only aggro what you can fight. It's not the monk's fault when you aggro more than the TEAM can handle.
But in defence for both sides yes there are bad monk's out there. Not all of us are bad. If you have no experience playing a monk then you should try it once or twice see how bad it get's when you spam My energy is 15 of 57 and the tank goes Leroy on you.
I personally think that a monk is the most complex profession to play in GW due to the fact that most professions usually only worry about their target until it or they have died! A monk is worried about every party member and themselves. We have to worry about conditions hexes and health for the entire team and decision making is what determines a good monk and a bad monk. You ,as a monk, will have to make the call to let one player die in order to save the rest of the team. All you can hope for is a competent team to work together and not place blame everytime something goes wrong. It is up to the rest of the team to watch for how much they aggro. Only aggro what you can fight. It's not the monk's fault when you aggro more than the TEAM can handle.
But in defence for both sides yes there are bad monk's out there. Not all of us are bad. If you have no experience playing a monk then you should try it once or twice see how bad it get's when you spam My energy is 15 of 57 and the tank goes Leroy on you.
Buried_Flame
Haha no wonder there arnt any monks cuz they do get treated kinda bad. And the problem is only worse cuz there rnt enough ? (thus all the invites)
BBoy_Manchild
man, you peeps need to grow some balls, if a monk is playing like crap, tell him, and then give him some constructive criticism on how to improve his build.
if you are just telling the monk he sucks with no follow up you shouldnt really be speaking
monks dont take crap from people, but if someone has some actual good advice listen to them. monks and wars are the 2 classes that really need to know what they are doing to get whatever you need doing.... done
if you are just telling the monk he sucks with no follow up you shouldnt really be speaking
monks dont take crap from people, but if someone has some actual good advice listen to them. monks and wars are the 2 classes that really need to know what they are doing to get whatever you need doing.... done
shadowfell
Say out of 100 "monks" I have encountered in this game:
40: spam you buy ok 60k ok you need buy ok bots
30: argumentative, always the first one to put your play style down, and call you a nub, and marveously so, while being a bit unprepared his self, spamming for br or bip. I put the leavers in this category.
20: the magical "healing" monk who amazingly starts with 400 health or so, and evolves into the the more common 55 monk mid FoW run to screw you for one shard.. this has happened so many times I refuse to go to ToA without a guild monk now.
10: really nice people who are able to do their part of the tasks, and who understands everything doesn't always go according to plan and that shit happens. some of my best in game buddies are monks.
This applies to all professions and you're going to find your idiots in all reaches of the game. The mm who can't seem to maintain more than 3 bones at at time, the warrior who only equips running skills for a fight..etc.
It comes down to learning to see the bad percentiles in every profession and avoid them, either they get it together, or they don't. Creme rises to the top and crud falls to the bottom. Just like life.
40: spam you buy ok 60k ok you need buy ok bots
30: argumentative, always the first one to put your play style down, and call you a nub, and marveously so, while being a bit unprepared his self, spamming for br or bip. I put the leavers in this category.
20: the magical "healing" monk who amazingly starts with 400 health or so, and evolves into the the more common 55 monk mid FoW run to screw you for one shard.. this has happened so many times I refuse to go to ToA without a guild monk now.
10: really nice people who are able to do their part of the tasks, and who understands everything doesn't always go according to plan and that shit happens. some of my best in game buddies are monks.
This applies to all professions and you're going to find your idiots in all reaches of the game. The mm who can't seem to maintain more than 3 bones at at time, the warrior who only equips running skills for a fight..etc.
It comes down to learning to see the bad percentiles in every profession and avoid them, either they get it together, or they don't. Creme rises to the top and crud falls to the bottom. Just like life.
akruan
I've been a monk for over 700 hours, I loved healing and helping people but since I read this post about people talking crap about monks. I'm gonna screw everybody from now on and start smiting!!!! ty, ty very much.
The New Guy
I was playing my MO/NE in Tombs UW yesterday with a Barrage/Pet Group. Being the only MO in the group it was kinda tough if you had a bad MM and a Barrager who doesn't know when to back up if he/she is taking too much damage. When we reached the last level in Tombs UW, before we reached the Darkeness, this particular Barrager kept dying. As in like 2 hits and he/she is dead. He then started bi---in' and asked me if I was a healing MO. I told him, Dude! I've been healing this group since level 1. What the hell do you think?! Then he said, well I don't think you're a healing MO. All hell broke loose after hearing that! To make things better, I stopped healing and ressurecting him! The first time that he died after our conversartion he asked me again, ARE YOU A HEALER?? To w/c my reply, Yes I am. But I'm not your Healer! He stopped bit--in' after that and asks our MM to rez him everytime he dies.
The thing that most people doesn't understand is that just because you have a healer in your party doesn't mean you're not gonna die the whole time. IF other players in your party would just do their job right, then we Healers wouldn't have a problem doing our part.
The thing that most people doesn't understand is that just because you have a healer in your party doesn't mean you're not gonna die the whole time. IF other players in your party would just do their job right, then we Healers wouldn't have a problem doing our part.
Pete1975
I have a monk she is quite experienced now a modest 2M XP or so, all 2M from quests and missions, No solo farming etc on this one. I must admit when i was bringing her through the game I got a fair bit of stick when people died and the "My energy is 0 of 49" message that was repeated numerous times in Team chat evidently meant that everyone could attack everything and I would save them.
When bored I take her to some of the harder missions and help people out just for the hell of it, and again if someone dies it's all my fault, not matter how many times I have saved people from multiple bad pulls etc. People that mouth off at you in Team chat are usually kids, and to be honest I don't give a crap what some kid thinks of me. Is the word "noob" really that insulting??? I have found the line of thought "People that use the word noob as a serious insult are idiots" to be quite acurate.
The fact is folks people are not born with with the knowledge of how to play Guildwars so they have to learn, just as the lvl 20 warrior that ran you through the Great Northern Wall mission when you didn't have a clue what was going one as a confused lvl 2 had to learn too. I'm pretty sure most people's first words were "mum" and not Prot Bonder looking for serious FoW group etc etc
When bored I take her to some of the harder missions and help people out just for the hell of it, and again if someone dies it's all my fault, not matter how many times I have saved people from multiple bad pulls etc. People that mouth off at you in Team chat are usually kids, and to be honest I don't give a crap what some kid thinks of me. Is the word "noob" really that insulting??? I have found the line of thought "People that use the word noob as a serious insult are idiots" to be quite acurate.
The fact is folks people are not born with with the knowledge of how to play Guildwars so they have to learn, just as the lvl 20 warrior that ran you through the Great Northern Wall mission when you didn't have a clue what was going one as a confused lvl 2 had to learn too. I'm pretty sure most people's first words were "mum" and not Prot Bonder looking for serious FoW group etc etc
Xonic
henchies ftw
Tarkin
Dont blame the monk... a good player will evade high damage and run away, a good warrior will retreat and protect monks and casters, a good nuker will kill foes before them can make high damage to someone, a good ranger never dies, a good necro can heal by self, a good mesmer dont chase dangerous positions in batle camp... i hate how people chase dangerous positions in batle camp, the warrirors run like forest gump chasing fleeing monsters, some casters love to see im close the batle like if them use a sword not a staff or wand... monks let the stupids die... focus heal in good players because a dead stupid is better. less agroo ... less targets to heal...
Shantel Span
After getting through the Ring of Fire with my PvE monk, i now do one thing when playing my other characters to a good monk that gets me through the mission/quest.
I tip.
IGN Monk name: Scarlet Span
I tip.
IGN Monk name: Scarlet Span
Ghull Ka
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I was kicked off in a 6/8 party cuz i was a smiting monk. I can outdamage most proffesion with my energizing wind + baltazar aura combo
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Ghost Recon
Monks do get a lot of s*** but i don't take any of it, any abuse of warroirs who like's tanking about 40 foe's doesn't get healed by me. I have quit teams becasue of players like that.
I once played with a team in FoW after we cleared the left we went to the right, the warroir died and just responed "Very sorry about that, all my fault went to far from the team and the monks couldn't heal from that distance. Thx for trying to get to save me." which was true he ran a bit to far away and i tryed to save him but failed. We went on to clear all of FoW with only one of two deaths more.
You have good players and bad players, i would rather play with the bad players who know when something was there fault than good players who just give you abuse, as the bad team will noramly do better anyways.
I once played with a team in FoW after we cleared the left we went to the right, the warroir died and just responed "Very sorry about that, all my fault went to far from the team and the monks couldn't heal from that distance. Thx for trying to get to save me." which was true he ran a bit to far away and i tryed to save him but failed. We went on to clear all of FoW with only one of two deaths more.
You have good players and bad players, i would rather play with the bad players who know when something was there fault than good players who just give you abuse, as the bad team will noramly do better anyways.
EternalTempest
This post feels so at home. 1st time monk and just ascended but recent experience with a party. The good news is, it was just one member, not the whole team.
Were doing Dunes, the one where you beat one legion, two legions, then three legions.
Here some highlights:
Charge past party to kill enemy priest way ahead of the party past one patrol (and wonders why I don't heal) then add I didn't heal and asks why.
I spam 1 engery of 40 (he charages mob)
Rez Me (while I can barely keep the pt breathing with current aggro / damage).
Asks if I am I a smite monk (this I found so funny - was 100% smite free)
He did not seem to receptive to the fact that I mention to him I didn't have enough engery, he was too far away, didn't like the fact the group started yelling at him for going after the enemy priest and not taking care of the patrol in front of the area
I stay till the bitter end with any group till the bitter end or a real I need to get off the pc now situation happens. But some people do make me bitter towards them.
This is happing more and more the latter the game becomes.
Were doing Dunes, the one where you beat one legion, two legions, then three legions.
Here some highlights:
Charge past party to kill enemy priest way ahead of the party past one patrol (and wonders why I don't heal) then add I didn't heal and asks why.
I spam 1 engery of 40 (he charages mob)
Rez Me (while I can barely keep the pt breathing with current aggro / damage).
Asks if I am I a smite monk (this I found so funny - was 100% smite free)
He did not seem to receptive to the fact that I mention to him I didn't have enough engery, he was too far away, didn't like the fact the group started yelling at him for going after the enemy priest and not taking care of the patrol in front of the area
I stay till the bitter end with any group till the bitter end or a real I need to get off the pc now situation happens. But some people do make me bitter towards them.
This is happing more and more the latter the game becomes.
Satyricon Kakon
When I am on with my monk as the mission starts I always state that I will do the best I can, but I will leave them once the first whit of bs comes my way when I am doing all I can to keep people and more importantly myself alive. Most dont seem to realize that when the monk dies, they loose their healing support. Seem to think Monks are bulletproof or something so before it starts I make it clear that it is easier for me to find 3, 5, or 7 more people then it is for them to find one. That usually makes them fairly respectful
Deathqueen
I remember back in the day when people used to chain pull mobs at the steps of ole Kunark Castle (sigh) I was a monk then too and I hated chain pulling and they'd get mad if I said something like SLOW DOWN, but, you know what, back then an even now monks still have POWER, don't piss a monk off or we'll LEAVE! 
Yes, I certainly stopped the chain pulling, since I was the only monk around at 2am in the morning (my usual time to play since I worked split shift), they begged me to come back said they would stop...I said give me plat...lol they did. So, I joined back up and said, you can chain pull as long as I have a good bank of energy, BUT, when "I" say stop you better stop or I'm gone and gone for good this time...don'ttttt mess with me!! And they didn't. So, USE your POWERS monks, make people play the way YOU want them to play or just leave.
Yes, I certainly stopped the chain pulling, since I was the only monk around at 2am in the morning (my usual time to play since I worked split shift), they begged me to come back said they would stop...I said give me plat...lol they did. So, I joined back up and said, you can chain pull as long as I have a good bank of energy, BUT, when "I" say stop you better stop or I'm gone and gone for good this time...don'ttttt mess with me!! And they didn't. So, USE your POWERS monks, make people play the way YOU want them to play or just leave.
Valdaran Longfoot
Ah pressure. Works great in most places, but if your in a spot where its hard to get a group, its a balance between your retarded group or maybe no group. :P
crazy diamond
Seriously, what is wrong with people?
I just quit a group in THK. A group I decided to help out of the blue. A group I did not need to help since I have already cleared everything in the game with my monk.
But a group that still insisted on acting like morons. The warrior kept spammig "HEAL!" when everyone is just fine, and the other monk is bugging me asking me about my goddamn build while in the middle of the mission(instead of, you know, asking before the mission, like normal people do), and getting pissy at me because I'm not answering.
So I just said "Don't piss off the monks kiddies" and just quit.
Normally I don't do that, but it takes a special kind of retarded group to get me to do it.
It felt good though.
I just quit a group in THK. A group I decided to help out of the blue. A group I did not need to help since I have already cleared everything in the game with my monk.
But a group that still insisted on acting like morons. The warrior kept spammig "HEAL!" when everyone is just fine, and the other monk is bugging me asking me about my goddamn build while in the middle of the mission(instead of, you know, asking before the mission, like normal people do), and getting pissy at me because I'm not answering.
So I just said "Don't piss off the monks kiddies" and just quit.
Normally I don't do that, but it takes a special kind of retarded group to get me to do it.
It felt good though.
Haggard
make friends with an uber one - and all your problems are solved
MaxxHel
crazy ranting people.....
There are an equal number of bad players in any given class. I find when I use my monk or any other char that if you get into a bad group they tend to separate fast and continuously aggro and everyone dies. These players also tend to be the ones who are abusive. YOU WILL NOT WIN IN THESE GROUPS LEAVE THEM! Also if your randomly forming groups you will probably get a few bad players and 1 of them could be the monk. This being said you will also probably get a few good players so if your a monk try and take notice and point out why you let some SOB die on purpose when they do something stupid and why your constantly keeping a few ppl alive (so you can res the stupid ones later).
There are an equal number of bad players in any given class. I find when I use my monk or any other char that if you get into a bad group they tend to separate fast and continuously aggro and everyone dies. These players also tend to be the ones who are abusive. YOU WILL NOT WIN IN THESE GROUPS LEAVE THEM! Also if your randomly forming groups you will probably get a few bad players and 1 of them could be the monk. This being said you will also probably get a few good players so if your a monk try and take notice and point out why you let some SOB die on purpose when they do something stupid and why your constantly keeping a few ppl alive (so you can res the stupid ones later).
Fattest Of The Fat
I can go both ways on this one. I'm workin on a monk after completing the game with N/E, R/E, W/Mo, E/Mo, and now my Mo/Me. agreed, alot of monks are bad, but some people dont help the situation.
Some noticable things that can be seen by observing the arrogant-
Of course monks need to heal, but what do you think they are thinking when a warrior runs in and aggros 3 groups and starts to take heavy damage, and throws on FRENZY. YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Then when you die becuase all attacks do double damage and you start yelling at the monk, you gain nothing. However sometimes monks can be stupid, the people typing in all caps the whole mission, who die constantly, just need to shut up.
Another example- Elementalists, Mesmers, all the classes with low armor- DON'T RUN INTO THE FIGHT. You die easily, and are the cause of various problems to monks.
Long of the short- if you play stupidly, don't expect monks to save you every time. Treat them with respect. If that's too much for you, hench it and shut up.
Some noticable things that can be seen by observing the arrogant-
Of course monks need to heal, but what do you think they are thinking when a warrior runs in and aggros 3 groups and starts to take heavy damage, and throws on FRENZY. YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Then when you die becuase all attacks do double damage and you start yelling at the monk, you gain nothing. However sometimes monks can be stupid, the people typing in all caps the whole mission, who die constantly, just need to shut up.
Another example- Elementalists, Mesmers, all the classes with low armor- DON'T RUN INTO THE FIGHT. You die easily, and are the cause of various problems to monks.
Long of the short- if you play stupidly, don't expect monks to save you every time. Treat them with respect. If that's too much for you, hench it and shut up.
Effendi Westland
1) If I have a good monk in the team he will get comments on his healing, nice ones.
2) If the monk is doing a bad job he will get comments for that too.
I've been a monk myself, having energy management helpes alot. But I really hate those monks who spam their low energy after only 10 seconds of combat. Tend to ask them to call everyting they do in the next battle and its usually in the lines of 'I am using heal party', 'I am using Heal breeze on the barely wounded warrior', I am using heal party', 'I am using Heal Other on some wounded guy', 'I am using heal party', then energy spam.
Good monks get good comments, bad monks beware.
When i'm forming a group I kick people who are unresponsive to questions about their build, be it warrior, monk, ele, necro, ranger or mesmer. This is a good way of getting a feel of the player. Getting them to state their skillbar is my favorite way, I usually state mine when I join a group and get asked what build i am.
HOWEVER among monks you will find a rare breed of players, those who turn into the meanest people you've met. Greedy monks in FoW or UW..'I haven't found a shard yet, gimme one that is your second or I stop healing', monks who know everything and the whole party must play as they tell or they leave.
As i've said, I played a monk, I know the way you can be blamed for all kinds of stuff that was someone elses fault. But for me those players have made me highly critical of monks. Don't want to end up after 30 mins of play to have the monk leave. So for me its guildies or henchies all the way. On any mission I state 'we are taking henchie monks, ok?' and kick any player who is not ok with that. Well actually I tend to party the henchies first and then start forming the team. Why? In all the normal missions, all good players know that a henchie monk (or two) gives a higher chance for a good monk then getting a random player monk (even the RoF mission). In fact the only time I didn't make those missions first try was with player monks.
Monks need a break? Mesmers need a break! (ow those difficult mursaat died alwafully fast, good nuking ele's!.....they never notice the backfire...)
2) If the monk is doing a bad job he will get comments for that too.
I've been a monk myself, having energy management helpes alot. But I really hate those monks who spam their low energy after only 10 seconds of combat. Tend to ask them to call everyting they do in the next battle and its usually in the lines of 'I am using heal party', 'I am using Heal breeze on the barely wounded warrior', I am using heal party', 'I am using Heal Other on some wounded guy', 'I am using heal party', then energy spam.
Good monks get good comments, bad monks beware.
When i'm forming a group I kick people who are unresponsive to questions about their build, be it warrior, monk, ele, necro, ranger or mesmer. This is a good way of getting a feel of the player. Getting them to state their skillbar is my favorite way, I usually state mine when I join a group and get asked what build i am.
HOWEVER among monks you will find a rare breed of players, those who turn into the meanest people you've met. Greedy monks in FoW or UW..'I haven't found a shard yet, gimme one that is your second or I stop healing', monks who know everything and the whole party must play as they tell or they leave.
As i've said, I played a monk, I know the way you can be blamed for all kinds of stuff that was someone elses fault. But for me those players have made me highly critical of monks. Don't want to end up after 30 mins of play to have the monk leave. So for me its guildies or henchies all the way. On any mission I state 'we are taking henchie monks, ok?' and kick any player who is not ok with that. Well actually I tend to party the henchies first and then start forming the team. Why? In all the normal missions, all good players know that a henchie monk (or two) gives a higher chance for a good monk then getting a random player monk (even the RoF mission). In fact the only time I didn't make those missions first try was with player monks.
Monks need a break? Mesmers need a break! (ow those difficult mursaat died alwafully fast, good nuking ele's!.....they never notice the backfire...)
Caged Fury
I recently gave a monk more than a break, I gave him an IDS.
Was going to see the seer in Mineral Springs to infuse my warrior's new armour. Monk came along for the trip. Just a little beyond Granite, we didn't do too well. I noticed that my health was constantly dropping. After we all died and got ressed, we went back to Granite to get rid of DP. Chatted with the monk, just to double check what he was doing. He doesn't normally play the role of a healing monk, but decided to give it a go. I'm not an expert at monking, still new to it, so I couldn't teach much but we chatted about attribute point assignments and discuss skills. I left him to make whatever change he felt was necessary and we went out again. This time we did alot better. After killing the imps in the cave, I got an IDS which I was going to replace my FDS with. The monk congratulated me on my drop. To which I thanked him for keeping me alive throughout the journey and give him the IDS.
Was going to see the seer in Mineral Springs to infuse my warrior's new armour. Monk came along for the trip. Just a little beyond Granite, we didn't do too well. I noticed that my health was constantly dropping. After we all died and got ressed, we went back to Granite to get rid of DP. Chatted with the monk, just to double check what he was doing. He doesn't normally play the role of a healing monk, but decided to give it a go. I'm not an expert at monking, still new to it, so I couldn't teach much but we chatted about attribute point assignments and discuss skills. I left him to make whatever change he felt was necessary and we went out again. This time we did alot better. After killing the imps in the cave, I got an IDS which I was going to replace my FDS with. The monk congratulated me on my drop. To which I thanked him for keeping me alive throughout the journey and give him the IDS.
thor hammerbane
I'm tired of these "Monks are uber, bow to us" threads. Stop crying, you don't make a monk to be worshipped by all the people you meet. I have a lvl 20 monk, and I dont know why you guys are crying. You may have problems, but so does everyone else. GET over it, its life. I didnt make a monk to be worshipped and bowed down to by all the people i keep alive. I made up to help out. If you made a monk to be worshipped and given free items because you are an uber healer, you picked the wrong game.
Retribution X
AMEN! that's why i went smiter.
VampiricuS
imho the game is too reliant on monks. therefor at least the monk henchies could use some improving. especially the part where they find a need to battle on the front line instead of healing from behind.
Gertrude
Hey, I play Monk quite a bit - I like to think I do my job as part of a team. Yes it is easier to get into groups but you do get some abuse. I do it though becuase I enjoy it. The only thing that does irritate me is when towards the end of a battle I am pinging "My energy is 5 of 47" and some warrior pings "My energy is 20 of 20" and then runs off into another battle. Is it really such a shock when I can not heal them and they die - come on.......
Dodo The Extinct
I think that GW is a team game.
I can understand when 2 Warriors are fighting in the fray, both expecting a heal, and the surprise and sadness they feel when the monk is there for 1 of them, and not the other.
I can also understand when the monk that is constantly getting Backfired and Blackouted, and he/she have to decide which teammate lives and dies.
I think that, one of the reasons people are hard on monks, is because Mesmers are the counter. And the nasty stuff Mesmers do is not visable. Have a monk die when u think there is nothing wrong, and u will blame the monks Skill. Have a Nuker smash the monks with all of the pretty red colors, and u can see why some people died.
I can understand when 2 Warriors are fighting in the fray, both expecting a heal, and the surprise and sadness they feel when the monk is there for 1 of them, and not the other.
I can also understand when the monk that is constantly getting Backfired and Blackouted, and he/she have to decide which teammate lives and dies.
I think that, one of the reasons people are hard on monks, is because Mesmers are the counter. And the nasty stuff Mesmers do is not visable. Have a monk die when u think there is nothing wrong, and u will blame the monks Skill. Have a Nuker smash the monks with all of the pretty red colors, and u can see why some people died.
Awesome Nuke
Well, I've been a monk since day 1 of Guild Wars (even the first beta events and world previews), I've played almost 1000 hours with my monk (first caracter I created, only one I completed) only in PvE. I'm pretty I've completed every single missions at least 2 or 3 times to help out guildies and friends. I've seen a lot of bad attitude players. It doesnt only concern monks. Every class can be just as much of a jackass. The difference between a monk not doing his job and a minion necro not doing is job is that one affects the life of others, while the necros could do the worst job ever as a MM but no-one from the group would notice it. Though a monk not doing his job good will see many fellow fall.
We only get bitched by other players because they die. They seem to think that we can heal everyone from the party all the time, even if they all rush a different mob group. Anyways, I personnaly dont bother anymore with whinners if they die because they acted like superhuman heroes and wanted to defeat 25 avicaras on their own. I dont say Monks never do mistakes, I just say that if you die because you acted like a retarded dryer, its your problem, dont go hunting bigger groups than you can count without facing the consequences.
My 2 cents
We only get bitched by other players because they die. They seem to think that we can heal everyone from the party all the time, even if they all rush a different mob group. Anyways, I personnaly dont bother anymore with whinners if they die because they acted like superhuman heroes and wanted to defeat 25 avicaras on their own. I dont say Monks never do mistakes, I just say that if you die because you acted like a retarded dryer, its your problem, dont go hunting bigger groups than you can count without facing the consequences.
My 2 cents