Petition to quit nerfing the hell out of us.

/signed

My first 50k was made practically on one character. Since then I've only been able to get up to 90k with three.

Nerf = bad

Ban the bots, not the only way to afford the better armour.
Seriously, it's no longer worth it. I could go outfit my monk in 15k armour now, but then what? I'll be stuck with 5k or so in the vault, have little to fall back on if my drops don't sell. NPCs don't pay worth @#$t, the Gold Fiery Ram's Hammer of Defence which I could sell for 5k to someone in Lion's arch is worth only 128 at the merchant.
And I am not about to start running desperate 12 year olds to a nearby town for a few hundred gold. I am gonna start running people to Droknar's soon, but seriously, if you keep nerfing, who's gonna have the money to pay me for the trip?

At presnt killing monsters with 8 people yeilds similar loot to farming solo (Though the group is farming in a much higher area.) I'm well awear that the point is to maximise profit. The problem is that making it easy for one player to get alot of gold quickly on his own will result in masses of gold being put into the community and the non-farmers won't be able to barter for items. Also with more players higher lvl monsters can be farmed. They drop more loot then their lower level counterparts. It's not as black and white as "less players = more loot" anymore.

Obviously you're not familiar with economics and inflation. Under the old system prices will remain high and continue to rise. Ever wonder why the currency in Doiablo 2 is the soj and not gold? because gold is so common it has almost no value. If only one such fellblade was droped and the buyer asked more then anyone could afford then he couldn't sell it! He'd be forced to drop the price of the sword or just hold onto it.

Enjoyment in a number of ways? Seems to me the thing that gives you enjoyment is making a quick easy buck. Otherwise this petition wouldn't exsist.

I do like your idea of missions and quests yeilding more gold though. But then I suppose people would farm these too.

/sign-petition

/signed

I was never much for farming until recently.... not 24/7 but just something reasonable -- after beating the game, I worked myself numb to get a set of 15k armor. Now I'd like to get black dye for it, but just yesterday the price was around 13k!!!! I remember when it used to be around 4-5k (and I thought that was outrageous at the time ). With things in their current state, I think I might burn out on this game before I get the 50k+ just to buy a few vials of dye.

At last check it was around 9k..... 9k for all of one one-time-use vial of black dye?!

You missed the point. If people have more gold, there is less need to farm. By increasing drops or making missions yield more wealth, people wouldn't have to farm.
Sure, after a while, the value of gold may drop a little because everyone has so much of it. Around that time people will start buying Eternal Armour, and the value of gold for them will go up.
By that time, the expansion pack will be out, and likely mandatory.

/signed

Totally agreed there. Right now I'm about flat broke because I had to contribute 85% or so of my funds (just under 17k at that point) last night so my guild could buy a Celestial Sigil, forgetting that I had arranged to buy a Chaos Axe from another player, who popped on last night and demanded we make the transaction then and there. When all was said and done, I was under 1k. So I popped over to the farming spot I'd used a few weeks ago to build up funds, where I had been making 3k per run, which for me took a bit over an hour (I know, I'm slow. Sue me). Cleared the area to my usual extent (ignoring two large mobs that I could never quite crack before)... and had 500 gold worth of stuff. MAYBE.

My only old farming method that I can still use decently is Charr Hide Farming (you all probably know the spots), which while Hides drop a bit more often now for some reason, the sell value of both them and fur squares (to traders for the squares anyways) has plummeted. Where I could get 2k an hour or so doing that, I pulled 2k in three hours doing it last night...

/signed

With the new update, they nerfed even more. In my opinion, the trading interface can wait. Ban the botters, give us our gold. I cant even buy decent armor anymore because I cant get enough gold. I'm not a PvP'er just yet, and I cant raise that kind of cash. Give me my drops that I can salvage for material for armor, give me back my gold so that I can craft it. I dont want to have to spend all my time trying to make money. I'd like to just play the game.

/sighned

They need to give us a break, we find a spot, and then it gets nerfed next day. Plus I have a goal for getting FoW armor. Impossible with all the nerfing.

I dont mean to flame you guys i was just wondering as i read few the first few pages of these posts and i was thinking to myself..how do you guys not make enough money to buy stuff? Not to brag but it seems like when i take my monk outside of elonas in about half an hour i can make about 5k. That isnt great, but it isnt nearly as bad as most of you claim you make. Granted most of you probably havent made it very far in the game and yes, up until you get to the dessert most things you find are crap. But for those that have been far in the game i ask you why is it so hard for you to get yourself a solo build and go fight lvl 21 sand drakes for 120xp a pop and kill 5 or so of them w/in 15 seconds? Also, for those that say they get 3 drops when going through a zone i say wtf? Cuz i will spend 3 hours outside elonas reach and i will get a drop on 80 percent of the sand drakes i kill. And probably 5 percent of the stuff that drops is gold and about 60 percent is either blue or purple so it seems easy imo to make money while getting your refund points back very quickly(2 sand drakes = 1 refund point). I know many of you may not have a primary monk that can solo sand drakes but if you dont then i advise you to research your skills and go out and try to solo these drakes. Also, I dont remember it being too long ago that people were complaining about farming???? Hopefully these arent the same people, which they probably arent, but then next thing you knwo they will be petitioning right back. So what happens? Well i have no real answer except for you to just enjoy what lay ahead for you and if you dont like what you are seeing just quit playing, there are many games out there that may have what you are looking for. The people at Arena.net are probably very smart people and i am sure that they saw this kind of forum post coming, but surely deep down in their dungeons they have a reason for doing what they do and it is probably beyond yours or my comprehension. Perhaps there are more people that favor the nerfing than oppose it? w/e happens i am sure they they are doing what is best for the majority. You cant please everyone.

You all take care, oh by the way when you come here to flame my post i will let you know that i have armor that is 100 percent resistant to elemental dmg that i recieved from the Korean server(y do you think they are so good?)

First things first, the post was not aimed at you. This post was aimed at the vast majority of people who farm for items and who claim skills are boring. This sort of comment confuses me greatly since the skill system is central to the game. These people seem very confused as to the nature of this game.

Secondly IMHO the game was never meant to be about farming! If you farmed early game before spots were nerfed it doesn't mean these areas were intentional and aimed at farmers. What it does mean is that these areas were overlooked as being problem areas. And yes farming areas are problem areas because the vast majority of people farm for profit, and this ruins the economy and moves people away from the core of the game which is the skills. Theres also another name for farming when you farm for huge profit and thats called exploiting. This is because there are consequences of farming in the game and this is to unbalance the game to the point where non famers cannot trade and this reduces the enjoyment of others. Please read the EULA, codes of conduct.

Thirdly you say you don't care about items, yet contridict yourself in talking about loot. There are few things I have to say before I go any further. Firstly have you really finsished the game? Have you delved into all possible skill combinations. Have you partied in every different permutation of party. Are you always helping people new to the game? Secondly your fissure amour etc is meant to be very difficult to get hold of. However being a farmer can be quite lucrative, so I expect that without this pastoral profession you would have struggled to buy this. Thus in some respects you've put yourself in this situation. You're meant to work towards buying these items, but slowly. Rushing to get it has left you with very little to aim towards. Thirdly why not play PvP, after all this game is part PvE and part PvP. I never understand those who will only abide by one or the other. Finally why make all the easter eggs item based, this isn't the main fous of the game after all.

I find farming removes the party ethic within the game also. Since most people "solo" to get the best chance of aquring a drop. Also characters tend to lend themselvs to a specific skill set in order to act effectively whilst farming, with no change. This in effect mocks the game attempts at trying to involve a skill system.

So please get over farming. It's done and dusted. You'll be getting 2 new areas soon and before you know it the add on will be in shops. So don't complain. The game is without monthy fee as you recall.

/signed


Too much Nerfing Will Just Move The Economy, Which Will Hurt Me
And Signed
Amen

/signed

Honestly too many posts, I tried to read them all and got bored. Basically the one problem with nerfing something is that the people who took advantage of it to begin with are only going to get richer, because now all those items that should have been hard to find, are now hard again. So they can make alot of money off of it now because they already got a lot of them easily.

The richer just keep getting richer, not that I am poor, it just isn't fair.

Okay, I had my posts before and I wasn't gonna say anything more until the above....

What do you mean "'claim' skills are boring"? And what do you mean "these people seem very confused"? Everyone is entitled to his/her perspective. To you -- you like skills, that is fine. I have no problem with that. I won't call you confused. But clearly that courtesy is NOT being returned.

I can argue just as well that the nature of the game is: "An online fantasy world with great graphics to immerse you in it so you are entertained." That the nature of the game is not "try out the maximum number of combination of skills that you possibly could."

I can also argue that if you disagree with the above, then you must be confused. But I won't say that -- as I believe you aren't confused, you simply are interested in diff things. And that is kewl -- I am down with that...

Now you can say you don't like farming -- you are entitled to your opinion. However, for many others, they DO. They are as entitled to their opinion as you are. They also paid as much money as you -- if Anet wants to continue as a business, they'd do well to pay attention to every major group.

Whether you like it or not, people who do a bit of farming is a big part of the game -- just look at the number of people who have loads of stuff to sell. So they should have a voice and a thread to petition for what they want.

Now, this is a petition thread to undo some of the nerf'ing done to farming. You have voiced your opinion already. I would say, if you really are against this, go start a petition to continue to do more nerf'ing of farming. If you gather more signatures than this thread, A.net is likely to lean toward listening to you anyways.

Otherwise, you are basically just here trying to suppress the opinion of those that disagree with you.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, the economy will settle. For those of you worried about the price of black dye or the guild hall sigil etc at the moment, hold off on the purchase for a few weeks and you should find it drops considerably. Reason: Those of us that currently have over 100 platinum will quickly spend their money on the pruchases they want and you will find that the majority of players end up with the same amount of cash.
Yes, at the moment some swords are sold for over 100K, but over the next few weeks fewer and fewer players will be able to afford this and they will need to be sold for less!
I had some guy two nights ago almost giving away 3 max armour shields because he hadn't been able to sell them all day and they were taking too much room in his inventory. You should also know he found all of them that morning.
I'm not saying not to farm, I'm just saying that this will be for the better once things settle. The only major impact will be the 15K armour - this will be more difficult to purchase. However player to player sells will definitely reduce in price as more of us will be considered "wealthy" when we have 20K, not 200K.

*signs*

Taking away player's ability to generate money will only increase the profits for the botters/ebayers, and turn the honest players who don't want to resort to buying their ingame gold away from the game ... it's so odd that ANet doesn't realize that.

The amount of GW gold on sale on ebay is astonishing ... I got curious and checked the sale records for a couple of those sellers - it seems they even have buyers that have bought 500 plat multiple times ... is that what ANet wants to achieve?!

Another thing - why do you put collectors in the game, when the items they ask for almost never drop from critters anymore?! I killed countless minos today in search for horns - nada, had to buy them from people.

/signed
This is ridiculous. A few weeks ago I would average 1 gold drop a day, just normally playing without farming. Now even if I do try to farm, I find it hard to find a gold drop. Instead of making the drops suck completely and lessening them, ban the botters and increase the difficulty of the monsters.

/signed

Fissure armor IS NOT cheap. I can't get the materials and gold needed with selling things to the merchants.

Recently, I found this spot a bit too late. Dune Burrowers in the first area elona reach mission, dropped a ton of gold items. Now in the past two days I've done the route maybe 15 times, and there are 9 burrowers in the area. Thats 135 dune burrowers. I've gotten maybe three purple items, which arn't even that good. If I could buy the fissure armor with Dune Burrower Jaws I'd be set, but I cant

IT'S NOT SUPPOSE TO BE CHEAP OR EASY TO GET. The sole purpose of Fissure Armor is a money sink for hardcore PvE people to have something to grind away to achieve. It is NO better then the armor you can obtain for a measly 1.5k. You are not entitle to this armor, you do not need or require this armor, it gives you no benefits. You people need to stop whining that its so hard to get money, if you want money, its still relatively easy to farm for, you just need to put some damn effort into it.

Nerfing happens because of people exploiting the good graces of Anet and their dev team on game mechanics of their revolutionary game. Now everyone is whining on both sides of the fence.

Human nature strikes again

for me, real "farming" starts, when you put toghether so many enemies, that you nearly die, but then kill them all at once. the closer you get to "i cannot outheal this freakin much damage" the better.

you might say "big deal, works only against one class of enemies", and id say true, but it STILL a form of art, somehow.
sure, not very useful, but i lets you think and learn something about the game mechanics. and when you manage to kill 50 level24 griffons at once,
you should be

REWARDED.

thank you.

Well i agree that the drops are a little lacking these days, but i wouldnt blame Anet or yell at them for it they are just doing what they can right now...

i dont mean to insult everyone who agrees with this "Petition" but it just sounds like a bunch of farmers who are angry they cant make quick cash anymore.. to me farmers are just as bad as botters, all they want is quick fast cash with out really having to work for it

Do i notice that drops are down.. well ya when you go from finding 3 runes a day (non farming) to 1 every week and a half (non farming) its kinda hard not to notice, am i mad at Anet for it, no they run the show around here not me what they say goes and i respect that *butt kiss sounds here*

as for if im going to sign this "Petition" i guess ill half sign it, i want a little bit of the drops back, but not like a waterfall of them

/Si (half of sign)

I'm sorry, what?

You say farmers are just as bad as botters, and want fast cash without working for it?

Little do you know. This post is just to warn you about the flaming that is about to commence, heading your way, if anyone even bothers correcting you.

You claimed skills were boring and others agreed with your post. The way I see it the game has a particular focus and quite a lot of people are trying to play the game in a different way to how it should be played i.e. they are not exploring the full depth of the game. Instead they are replaying several parts of the game repeatedly with the same skill sets by themselves. I mean why did Anet bother including huge numbers of skills, the ability to play multiplayer and many varied areas.They should created several samey farmable areas, where you were forced to play single player and given you the optimum skill set. Yes granted everyone is entitled to their perspective. I never dissallowed you yours.

I am glad we enjoy different things. However I believe that if this is the case you are playing the wrong game, since I believe Anet will continue to NERF these areas, since they are in effect bugged. Farming to the n'th degree is an exploit!

"An online fantasy world with great graphics to immerse you in it so you are entertained." is a very vague description of the game and incredibly lose. That pretty much describes all MMPORGs. In order to differentiate this game you would have to include information of its key features. These key features would definitely include the skill system. However I feel the farming side of the game would not be mentioned since this isn't an intentional feature. Also I do not believe it is possible to test out every skill combination. What I do feel is that those who farm ignore this part of the game and reside themselves to using one skill set only. I mean why would Anet herf these area if thought they represented an important part of the game?

But not when it infringes upon other peoples fun and when its taking the game in a direction it shouldn't be going. The game has to maintain some sort of coherence. You can't please every group otherwise it will be a bodge of a game. You have to stick to some core ideas. And I feel that those ideas do not involve farming.

As I have stated before it is up to the customer when they buy a product to understand what that product is. If they fail to understand this is not the designers fault. It is theirs!

Those that sell items do not necessarily farm. I've traded many times with items I found whilst playing. I didn't go out to find them intentionally. Also if you say people do this it just goes to prove that farmers do it for the money and this ultimately screws up the economy.

I have considered making a post on this issue. Thanks for reading.

We're going around in circles again with this disccusion. The farmers are still refusing to make any sort of comprimise to their farming, even though if they are left to their own devices they will just make things worse for themselves. It's a good thing that Anet know what they are doing and actually learn from the mistakes that MMORPG's have made in the past with their economies. People are complaining that it' taking them an hour to get 5k. So what? In 3 and a half hours you will have the money you need to buy the best (Statisticle wise) armour in the game which you should only need to buy once.
Personaly I've never had more then 12k in my total shared vault since I started playing (Not including the two sigils I have earned from the HoH.)
I've got 3 characters decked out in Droknars Armour and one with 2 sets (For PvP versatility.)
I've never felt the need to go farm monsters nor have I. Maybe I've just been uber lucky with the loot or maybe it's because I don't farm and I'm not hit but this Anti-loot code i hear so much about.
Either way I'm glad Anet have ade farming difficult. The econmy will soon settle and prices will reach an affordable level again. Seeing people selling a "clean" fiery dragon sword for 10k makes me wonder where the econmy would have gone without these nerfs.

This game is not about how many hours you play but how skilled you are. Not many of us have the leisure time to play for several hours in a day. Now with the nerfing, it would take longer time to upgrade armors and weapons. Players are not only after gold in farming, they are after crafting items too. with the lesser drops, newbies are now even begging for materials and gold for their armor and weapons. yesterday, I flamed at one guy about begging for materials and gold (it was so pathetic to see), then he told me that he had been playing for hours and still he doesn't have enough iron ingots and gold to craft a new armor (whether he is lying or not, it sounds convincing and very possible), so i gave him the materials he needed.

with this problem now, the game is now more like a time based play. the more hours you play the better your character will be.

some of the peole here said that they make a quite large amount of gold in short play time. Maybe u guys are lucky, but most who commented about the nerfing are the one's who didn't make as much as u. they complained bcoz they want something and to get that something they have to burn a lot of time to get it. Like I said earlier, most of us dont have time to burn to play the game, we have lives to to tend to.

I think i am confusing u ppl right now , maybe it's because it 2:51am ( just got home from the hospital) here already and i am quite sleepy now... whatever, i think i have posted some good stand against nerfing. good morning everybody

well im ready for it, after all it use to my job to take care of people like that on other forums.. *sniff* i miss the forum police

All im saying is people need to stop focusing on drops and pay more attention to the actual game

Jigs,

the guy might have sounded convincing... but I'm ready to bet all the money in my xunlay chest (about 7k now) that he was lying.
I never farm. Never. I find it extremely boring. If I go out of town, I do to complete a quest, find a location, learn a skill, or help a friend. I play one hour or two a day, so I don't have time to spend in useless monster killing.

I went to 13k, then bought aeromancer armor which costed me about 7k (not even droknar, I hate linen), then bought pyromancer at droknar, formed a guild and bought the mantle. That left me at 1.5k, a week ago. I'm now over 7k. A bit low on iron, but who cares? While running towards copperhammer mines I'll just pick up some giant armor and recicle it for iron.

This game plays itself: if you follow it, you'll end up strong enough and with enough gold. Easy. People complain because they are cheap, and because there are kind people like you jigs, that will spare them the effort. When I see beggars, I just go away - it's disgusting to see big warriors spending half an hour in town begging for 5 iron ingots when they could be adventuring in the same time, and ind 10 or more.

I will not support this kind of crew - you may want to play the game, or stay in town complaining you don't have the money to buy stuff. Either way, it's not my concern. *I* choose to play the game 1 hour a day - as much as family and work allow me to - and made it to moladune without begging or being given stuff. Each step was MINE.

I don't judge: everyone plays the game as they want - but I don't give away stuff just because some 13years old is lazy. Or do you picture mature people begging in town? I, for some reason, can't.

I am a 'new' player (ie. i wasn't around to see the uber drops) and have no problem with the way the economy works. Sure, the amount of cash I have is nothing compared to what the people who bought the game in its early days have, but it doesn't bother me because these players are becoming more and more a minority as new players buy the game (which I can assure you is still happening).

---> It is just unfortunate that A.net had these huge drops to begin with. <---

This is the only problem I see.
This gap is there, undeniably, but I think increasing the drops would only result in too many people having the same armors, weapons, etc. and everyone will just be more 'balanced' (and look the same). Where's the fun in that? I like being against a team in PvP that has the uber items and everything and still beating them as a minority just because we made better use of our skills or whatever...
As for PvE, well I dunno. I've never had the best items in any game, and I kind of like that, because it'll always give you an overall goal while you are doing other things and you will be constantly working towards it. The wrong thing to do is make it your 'primary' goal... Just play the game, make a new char, eventually you will have enough money. If you can't be bothered doing that and you've gotten bored of the game, well maybe you should play something else.
As for the gap, it does have its uses. You will eventually find an 'uber item' because they're not completely gone from the game... And when you do find it you can sell it for a huge price compared to the amounts you're used to, and then you'll be able to afford more of the better armors and such.

/against

I am happy with the way the game is now.

Jigs: that guy was definitely lying. Iron and gold are two things it is NOT hard to find. Really nice objects, on the other hand, are quite sparse (except in some areas).

An hour to get 5k? How do you do that!? I wish I could get that. Maybe it's because I'm not a farmer. I think the best I've been able to get is 2.5k in an hour, and even that was pushing it.

And when will the economy settle again? I realize things don't necessarily happen over night, but black dye is still hovering around 9k, and even silver was up to 2k this morning.

This is one of the most sensible post I've seen to date.

I've never had huge amounts of gold. But I've never struggled to buy armour etc. I've never made hording items a priority. With regards to materials I salvage nearly everything I get with a expert salvage kit. I regulary get steel and iron ingots. As a result I always have plenty of materials and never have to buy them anymore. I think your right in saying people have lost the plot of the game when they send all their time farming and consider it their primary goal.

So very true! I've written loads of post here trying to explain this to people. But nobody listens.

Farmers do not seem to care where the game goes as long as they can spend hours collecting gold and items to sell as gold. Hopefully the economy will rectify itself soon and people will start taking more note of the skill system and the many tactics that can be employed through proper utilisation of it.

I was skill capping with a bunch of random peeps in perdition rock. After a few runs in an hour just selling crap i didn't want to merchants and the gold drop I had 2k. The 5k comment was to an earlier post by velvet bunny. He claimed to still be able to do this.

What's wrong with 2k an hour? It's not like I was adventuring for the sole sake of gold. I was in it for the skills. The 2k was just a bonus. It's nice to go out with a goal and come back with a nice bit of gold. Even better to know that it's not that much less then the farmers out there are getting. Means I get to adventure and stay close to the wealth line of the farmers.

Do you know the reason thoese globs are so expensive in the first place? Becasue everybody has/had huge amounts of gold and kept buying them. The price rose. No since they sell for so much and people don't have the money to buy them it will eventually be more profitable to sell to the merchant. The price will start to fall once again. If the uber drops come back the price will just keep rising!

It will take a while but the prices will drop. Anet knows what they're doing. If they hadn't nerfed the drops imagine what the prices of the globs would be now? I don't think it matters how many people sign this, anet won't give in to something that will lead to Guild wars being just another farming sim. It's there on the box. Skill not Hours played. Rising prices will force people to farm to be competative and that is the last thing Anet wants.

Well said! Thats the message I've been trying to get across to people for the last week.

SKILLS!

Agreed Thomasuwoo - good analysis.

Btw ppl... a guildmate told me he's got 10k in an hour and said with an ele you could make it 20k. Said if you're fast you can do 30k - in a certain spot. I haven't tried: as mentioned, I never farm. But I wouldn't complain too much.

/notsigned, of course.

As someone trying to get a wide variety of unlocks for pvp but lacks a pvp team to get faction, the reduction in drops has really hurt my ability to get runes/upgrades.

I dont care at all about the gold, i just want to get my 3rd superior rune (the 2nd dropped in june) unlocked w/o having to farm faction cause i dont really know what i want yet.

/signed

I think you have the whole supply/demand thing screwed up. saying that lowering the drop rates will make prices go down is not the way things work. the more items sum1 has of a certain type the less theyll sell them for because they have MORE like for instance a small group goes into the UW to farm they come out with say 5globs+ (maybe) seeing that they have more than 1 they will sell them for less cause the more you have the less you sell it for but because of the nerf to drops that same group will come out with 2globs(maybe) thus to get there moneys worth they sell them for alot more than if they came out with 3x as much. so final notes the more you have of an items the less you sell it for the less of an item you have the more you sell it for. thus giving us back the older drop rates allowing people to get more of a certain item be it globs/shards/runes wahtever will drop the price on things because there will be so many of that item that instead of paying 100k+ for a nice endgame item you will be paying like 60k - 80k saving you money for dye's or wahtever you want.

I don't agree with this, what you will see is more people trying to get their own globs and such by, instead of farming to get money to afford them, actually trying to get the damn things themselves! This is, according to what I think, what Anet is trying to do, decrease the pressure on the trading market and focusing more on using SKILL (yes, there's that word again) to get what you want.
It all comes down to how you want to play the game. Unfortunately it seems too many people are not interested in/not capable of finding these items themselves and turn to gathering as much money as possible to afford them, while people should really be trying to get the stuff themselves! Just because it's there for you to buy doesn't mean you have to dish out xxxxx amount of money on it because it's the only way you'll ever get it.
OK so being a European, I don't have much chance of getting into UW or FoW or whatever (I don't even know anything about those places), because the Koreans and Americans seem to have a stranglehold on the gods' favor. The problem with the nerfs was that all these top Guilds have already got their godly items and have a well established economy that will ensure that they can win plenty of times in HoH. So the Europeans, if they really want globs or whatever, would have to buy them at the expensive price from the merchants (or from other players). This is the fundamental flaw with these nerfs in that they were implemented way too late.
But the bottom line is, that this is not a farming game, and as suggested before, if that's what you like doing then this isn't the game for you! I myself like farming a lot, hell I was a huge Diablo 2 fan, but you must see that Anet has no intention of going down the same route, hence the nerfs.

Bit of a rant, but I'm just trying to make sense of the reasoning for/against farming. Personally, I'm against it (obviously) because I'm disgusted by its side-effects like (very sadly) people farming as a day job and putting their stuff up on eBay. And after all, I signed up for this game because of the SKILL not HOURS PLAYED concept because I don't have all the time in the world.

Christ people there's 8 other threads to discuss and argue this matter, some of which I started myself.

Go ELSEWHERE if you intend to fill up this thread with more of what we've all seen 100 times in places where the discussions were supposed to be.

THIS is for the petition, not for you to copy/paste posts you've already put in other threads.

Whether or not Anet decides to even bother looking at this petition is their own decision, but there's not a chance in hell that we'll get any changes made unless the suggestions are tossed out there and problems are made aware, so that's what we've done in this thread. And based on the...numbers of people who've gone and signed this compared to the number of unsigned, I'm not dissapointed with the outcome by any means.

Yeah, so keep in mind the thread title says "Petition to quit nerfing the hell out of us" not "Thread in which to argue about matters already found in other posts". When someone creates a petition for their city do you see people arguing amongst the signatures? Hell no, I'd rather we kept it more or less the same here. You get the idea.