Nerfing solo players who may have used this for farming is one thing, but taking a huge stinking turd on legitimate team players makes ArenaNet look foolish.
What is the point in this skill now?
Big mistake by Anet...........
Tactical-Dillusions
Change peace and harmony back.
Nerfing solo players who may have used this for farming is one thing, but taking a huge stinking turd on legitimate team players makes ArenaNet look foolish.
What is the point in this skill now?
Nerfing solo players who may have used this for farming is one thing, but taking a huge stinking turd on legitimate team players makes ArenaNet look foolish.
What is the point in this skill now?
Algren Cole
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The PvE aspect is designed to get you ready to PvP, that's why there's the whole notion of unlocking skills and items.
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flashz
ok i see the point you guys are trying to say, that this game wasnt suppose to be made to grind in, all im trying to say is where is the point in the game where everyone can have a unique character? weapons are the same...... armors are the same........... when i bought this game, i once read that u can be *unique* in this game, that's what made me buy it, all the game's have top player's who exceeded against the other's, where they had expensive items or armor or even the best of the best as in skills, now u say this game isnt grind? but if it was a grind game, we'll still be in the same level of gameplay as we in right now, my point is where is the achievement point of the game where u can show off what u have earned playing the game? where's the fun in the game where everyone is equal and there is no point on pve? if everyone can have the same items?
UnOrthOdOx
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Well, my apologies then. I did get a bit steamed during this thread.
Let me set the record straight. People who GET the green items deserve them. However, Green items are going to be plentiful and flood the market. They are perfect items. I have never seen an imperfect green. Look around here on the forums. Greens have existed for two days now, and look at all the types that have appeared. There are posts of people getting multiples of the same item. And other people getting the exact same item. Why would people buy gold items when the green items are more plentiful and better? If that wasn't enough, then consider the additional change concerning chests and keys. Lots of people saying they got Superior Vigors/Absorbtions or uber gold items. Anet might as well have added a Uber Merchant to the game who sells perfect modded weapons for 1k. If they wanted to adjust the drop rate, thats fine. no problem. But they opened the flood gates and this will kill the economy. Just wait a week and see. |
It's just that those are not always the mods that would be perfect for a particular build is what I'm saying. And, as you can't add/change the mods, and I'm not sure you unlock those perfect mods when you get one, there should still be a market for those gold weapons. I haven't seen a discernable drop in the selling of them yet.
Loviatar
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my point is where is the achievement point of the game where u can show off what u have earned playing the game? where's the fun in the game where everyone is equal and there is no point on pve? if everyone can have the same items?
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as in who can i lord it over and show off for while i chant *n00bs are only good for admiring me*OMY GOD I AM SURROUNDED BY EQUALS........
Yamat
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they failed....
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... where's the fun in the game where everyone is equal and there is no point on pve? if everyone can have the same items?
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The Hated
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Originally Posted by trelloskilos
Maybe you should change the word "Communism" - it doesn't work here.
If your goal in the game is to achieve 1000k in your storage, with FoW armour, "Godly" weapons and all that jazz, you're playing the wrong game. Traders charging 100k+ in LA for uber-rare weapons are playing the wrong game. People feeling obliged to buy ebay money so they could aquire these items, or people striving to obtain these items are playing the wrong game. |
MSecorsky
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Can you say "BIASED OPINION"
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Shadowspawn X
This thread is not about items or playstyle, it is about jealousy. A-net is only catering to those indiviuals who are jeaulous of people with anything they dont have and never stop complaining. There will always be people who wont do what it takes to get a reward, but want the reward anyway. There will always be the whiner who hasnt found that gold item and screams no fair, so what if that ranger has been doing smite runs for 4 months turning up demon poop and finally gets a gold storm bow, the jealous whiner wants one too, how dare someone's effort be rewarded!
The hyporcrites who profess how ugly FoW armor is and how ugly choas axes , storm bows, and fiery swords are basically just jealous and envious. If they weren't so consumed by this items they would be to busy having fun to attack everyone who is just having a good time. So jeaulous people now have a pacifier a green weapon to match their eyes.
The hyporcrites who profess how ugly FoW armor is and how ugly choas axes , storm bows, and fiery swords are basically just jealous and envious. If they weren't so consumed by this items they would be to busy having fun to attack everyone who is just having a good time. So jeaulous people now have a pacifier a green weapon to match their eyes.
Grigori Sokolov
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It has never been my aspiration in a game to be rich or have the best looking character. My purpose in a game is to have fun. The green weapons in no way make the game any less fun.
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ty for a great update, anet.
MSecorsky
Or, Shadowspawn, aNet took steps to not only remove the need for the grind, but to smack down the bots and eBay sellers. This was the only way to fight the selling of items on eBay, make it so no one needs to buy them.
My ranger has had a slightly better than crap bow and finished the game (pre release). Now I have a better chance of finding a more 'esteemed' weapon. Cool. Everyone else can find better weapons before me, or already have them. Also cool. It just doesn't matter.
My ranger has had a slightly better than crap bow and finished the game (pre release). Now I have a better chance of finding a more 'esteemed' weapon. Cool. Everyone else can find better weapons before me, or already have them. Also cool. It just doesn't matter.
Enigmatics
See, this whole topic is stagnant with posts with people trying to justify one side or another of this debate. There is no deeper truth; Area.net is doing their best to create a game that will sell well, as well as please the general public and preserve their creed.
A.net meant to create a level playing experience, where tentative newcomers wouldn't be overwhelmed by the masses of high level, plastic-godly-toy toting maniacs.
They have, for the most part succeeded, although players' reactions to that are decadant, and not all as chipper as A.net would hope, it seems. I myself believe that the whole MMORPG concept was for people of a more meticulous nature, because most MMORPGs don't require skill to eventually excell at, they need money and time to kill.
Guild wars has made it clear from the beginning that this wasn't their goal; they wanted a game where skill dictated how players were reguarded, not brute force in terms of leveling and repeatedly clearing areas. However, players have rebelled against this idea (and they're each entitled to how they want to play) by farming and making flashy items or items with good specs expensive.
And, like numerous people have said, Guild Wars isn't about diefying your character by equiping him with shiny armor and a gold blade, It's supposedly about being good with your keyboard and your insticts.
However, when they added Storm Bows, Fellblades, and Chaos Axes, they sent out some mixed signals.
Oh, and, I like commas.
A.net meant to create a level playing experience, where tentative newcomers wouldn't be overwhelmed by the masses of high level, plastic-godly-toy toting maniacs.
They have, for the most part succeeded, although players' reactions to that are decadant, and not all as chipper as A.net would hope, it seems. I myself believe that the whole MMORPG concept was for people of a more meticulous nature, because most MMORPGs don't require skill to eventually excell at, they need money and time to kill.
Guild wars has made it clear from the beginning that this wasn't their goal; they wanted a game where skill dictated how players were reguarded, not brute force in terms of leveling and repeatedly clearing areas. However, players have rebelled against this idea (and they're each entitled to how they want to play) by farming and making flashy items or items with good specs expensive.
And, like numerous people have said, Guild Wars isn't about diefying your character by equiping him with shiny armor and a gold blade, It's supposedly about being good with your keyboard and your insticts.
However, when they added Storm Bows, Fellblades, and Chaos Axes, they sent out some mixed signals.
Oh, and, I like commas.
Shadowspawn X
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Or, Shadowspawn, aNet took steps to not only remove the need for the grind, but to smack down the bots and eBay sellers. This was the only way to fight the selling of items on eBay, make it so no one needs to buy them.
My ranger has had a slightly better than crap bow and finished the game (pre release). Now I have a better chance of finding a more 'esteemed' weapon. Cool. Everyone else can find better weapons before me, or already have them. Also cool. It just doesn't matter. |
Tuna
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A-net is only catering to those indiviuals who are jeaulous of people with anything they dont have and never stop complaining. There will always be people who wont do what it takes to get a reward, but want the reward anyway.
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Can you give examples other than green items?
Eet GnomeSmasher
Two types of people in this thread.
The people who are complaining about the green items and higher drops rates = people who can only enjoy the game from the self worth they get from spending hours and hours farming for that "rare uber" item that no one else has. They like to (as Shadowspawn puts it) make the have-nots jealous.
Then there are the rest who want to actually play the game and enjoy it.
The people who are complaining about the green items and higher drops rates = people who can only enjoy the game from the self worth they get from spending hours and hours farming for that "rare uber" item that no one else has. They like to (as Shadowspawn puts it) make the have-nots jealous.
Then there are the rest who want to actually play the game and enjoy it.
Enigmatics
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Can you give examples other than green items?
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One mistake I think A.net made was making green items tradable. That in itself will probably taint their original purpose, but I won't act the prophet.
Carinae
I suppose only time will tell. I sincerely suspect that the Greens/Golds are going to flood the market and make everything super cheap. This has the potential to help very few and hurt everyone trying for expensive things (ie: 15k/Fissure armors)
I just don't see it helping, but I could be wrong.
But we need to give this time to let the repercussions circulate and take effect and then offer suggestions about ways to improve things.
Deeply Concerned,
Carinae
I just don't see it helping, but I could be wrong.
But we need to give this time to let the repercussions circulate and take effect and then offer suggestions about ways to improve things.
Deeply Concerned,
Carinae
calamitykell
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No point in playing the game now but pvp, before there was actually a point in killing monsters like the chance to get a godly gold item with perfect stats :O, but now there's actually no point in pve, but to get mindless endless exp. With these green items, the economy will fall for sure, what's the point of a game without pve and it's all pvp? the only thing left to do is pvp. They should had only added new weapons instead with different graphics but instead they add perfect green weapons that everyone can get. i thought u can make ur character unique in guild wars? but how can u when everyone is almost wielding the same weapons without a achievement of getting a godly weapon and showing it off
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Your characters are unique through the skillset you use. You've got 8 slots, use what you want. If you decide to mimick someone else because it works better than anything YOU can think of, you are at fault for lacking creativity, not ANet.
They've always ALWAYS said that there would be balance. This would not be an MMORPG where the best weapon wins. Everyone having an equal chance at a green drop ensures this.
No demand for items? Is everybody running around in pvp without a weapon, offhand, and armor? While that would be interesting and more than a little amusing, I doubt it's even remotely true.
I don't think you've EVER understood the reasoning behind this game, and just picked it up because you thought it would be "World of Warcraft... BUT FREE"
Your own mistake. Not ANets.
(I apologize for not having read through all 3 pages, but seeing this childish whining idiot posts everytime some 15 year old doesn't get his way is growing more tiresome every day. I wish they'd all shut up.)
Eet GnomeSmasher
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I suppose only time will tell. I sincerely suspect that the Greens/Golds are going to flood the market and make everything super cheap. This has the potential to help very few and hurt everyone trying for expensive things (ie: 15k/Fissure armors)
I just don't see it helping, but I could be wrong. But we need to give this time to let the repercussions circulate and take effect and then offer suggestions about ways to improve things. Deeply Concerned, Carinae |
Enigmatics
It uproots the MMORPG hierarchy: obsessive players with time>less obsessive players with less time. I suppose I won't have to argue the point of MMORPGs, but just in case, some people ENJOY that feeling of elation when you're one of 20 people that can afford something.
Oh, and yes, I'm aware of the fact that Guild Wars isn't supposed to be this type of MMORPG, but habitual expectations die hard, and some people want that aspect of an MMORPG in the game.
Oh, and yes, I'm aware of the fact that Guild Wars isn't supposed to be this type of MMORPG, but habitual expectations die hard, and some people want that aspect of an MMORPG in the game.
Carinae
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How does making things cheap hurt people? For one thing, if things were cheap then I wouldnt have to spend as much for items and I'd save enough to get my 15k armor. How does making items extremely expensive help me? Unless I was a farmer hoarding this stuff to sell. So you have it backwards. Making things cheaper will help the majority and "hurt" only a few (the greedy hoarding farmers)
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I use a collectors weapon and offhand item. I know perfectly well that I don't need fancy gold stuff. What are you buying thats slowing your progress towards armor?
Every gold item you find, is a lottery ticket that might be a huge boost towards that armor you want. Cheap gold items make it HARDER to get the expensive armor.
Please stop with the 'greedy hoarding farmer' stuff. You realize the counterpart to that is the 'lazy welfare noob'?
Algren Cole
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How so? The system works perfectly well... you either buy something with faction, or unlock it through PvE. What part of that doesn't work?
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Carinae
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PvE does not prepare you for PvP...any idiot with 8 random skills can button smash his way through PvE...
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capitalist
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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher
Two types of people in this thread.
The people who are complaining about the green items and higher drops rates = people who can only enjoy the game from the self worth they get from spending hours and hours farming for that "rare uber" item that no one else has. They like to (as Shadowspawn puts it) make the have-nots jealous. Then there are the rest who want to actually play the game and enjoy it. |
Eet GnomeSmasher
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You're not even making sense. How does the price of gold items negatively affect your getting nice armor. It doesn't. I know. I have Grotto armor and am going for Fissure armor.
I use a collectors weapon and offhand item. I know perfectly well that I don't need fancy gold stuff. What are you buying thats slowing your progress towards armor? Every gold item you find, is a lottery ticket that might be a huge boost towards that armor you want. Cheap gold items make it HARDER to get the expensive armor. Please stop with the 'greedy hoarding farmer' stuff. You realize the counterpart to that is the 'lazy welfare noob'? |
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I suppose only time will tell. I sincerely suspect that the Greens/Golds are going to flood the market and make everything super cheap. This has the potential to help very few and hurt everyone trying for expensive things (ie: 15k/Fissure armors)
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And you're telling me that you dont need gold items. I never said I needed them. Yet you're here complaining about how it's going to be hard getting Fissure armor when everything is cheap. You dont NEED fissure armor. So stop being a hyprocrite.
Sanji
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It uproots the MMORPG hierarchy: obsessive players with time>less obsessive players with less time. I suppose I won't have to argue the point of MMORPGs, but just in case, some people ENJOY that feeling of elation when you're one of 20 people that can afford something.
Oh, and yes, I'm aware of the fact that Guild Wars isn't supposed to be this type of MMORPG, but habitual expectations die hard, and some people want that aspect of an MMORPG in the game. |
The vegetarian restaurant will probably have the apples, but they can't help you if want a whole pig. The same applies to Guild Wars.
Eet GnomeSmasher
Seriously...some of you are expecting the wrongs things from the wrong game.
Deltu
I think that this patch was added to make the game more frustrating but easier a tthe same time. While guild expansion is more annoying now, you can borrow people for Guild vs Guild battles, making that easier but kind of stupid. Also, the rarity of these green items is to be questioned. Theyre good, yes, but so far finding them is difficult. Farming for them is hard and youll be lucky if you get one. The price you can sell or buy them for is also questionable, as is hwo much gold is worth now
Now that these green nitems ar out, there will be no more commerce in Guild Wars, hich i think is excellent. There is no more need for silly things such as trading, except for now getting money for things that arent easily found will be difficult.
Now that these green nitems ar out, there will be no more commerce in Guild Wars, hich i think is excellent. There is no more need for silly things such as trading, except for now getting money for things that arent easily found will be difficult.
Arcanis the Omnipotent
As far as the farmers go, all I have to say is this:
If you were really farming to get items for other people, you wouldnt charge someone their damn soul just to buy it. Farmers are the reason the economy prices raised so damn high. People always have to see how much they can get out of someone.
If you hadnt charged so much for items, Anet wouldnt have given great items to people for so cheap. The loss in value of Gold and Purple just sets things right.
THOSE ITEMS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT EXPENSIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
If you were really farming to get items for other people, you wouldnt charge someone their damn soul just to buy it. Farmers are the reason the economy prices raised so damn high. People always have to see how much they can get out of someone.
If you hadnt charged so much for items, Anet wouldnt have given great items to people for so cheap. The loss in value of Gold and Purple just sets things right.
THOSE ITEMS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT EXPENSIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Sanji
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As far as the farmers go, all I have to say is this:
If you were really farming to get items for other people, you wouldnt charge someone their damn soul just to buy it. Farmers are the reason the economy prices raised so damn high. People always have to see how much they can get out of someone. If you hadnt charged so much for items, Anet wouldnt have given great items to people for so cheap. The loss in value of Gold and Purple just sets things right. THOSE ITEMS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT EXPENSIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. |
They did it with Sigils, they did it with Runes, and now they're doing it with "perfect" weapons.
Was it caused by an oversight of Anet's? Sure.
But they're fixing it.
Deltu
Oh no doubt, One Piece Watcher. I have only been playing for s long, and eeen tho i have 2 character sascended, neither is beaten. I haven't been around long enough for farming gold and purple, and never did sell or farm them. My source of income WAS some chest farming outside of droks and port seldge, but with the new mod its pointless.
Farmers who actually far to sell are always looking to squeeze the most out opf people. If your going to farm to sell, do it low so people will actually buy. Ther was one person who wanted me to pay 55k for a green smiting rod, then sed my green cane wasnt worth as much. Same mods, too. This economy is corrupted, but shouldnt even be there. There shouldn't be trading for money anymore, that is a wide open window for people to launch their scamming careers.
As far as Sigils and Runes go, runes not so har dto come by. Sigils are harder. But now with all the keys and u get your own chest thing, farmers are encouraged to try harder places like Fissure and Underworld. Maybe an Anet person will find our forums and read them
Farmers who actually far to sell are always looking to squeeze the most out opf people. If your going to farm to sell, do it low so people will actually buy. Ther was one person who wanted me to pay 55k for a green smiting rod, then sed my green cane wasnt worth as much. Same mods, too. This economy is corrupted, but shouldnt even be there. There shouldn't be trading for money anymore, that is a wide open window for people to launch their scamming careers.
As far as Sigils and Runes go, runes not so har dto come by. Sigils are harder. But now with all the keys and u get your own chest thing, farmers are encouraged to try harder places like Fissure and Underworld. Maybe an Anet person will find our forums and read them
mattchoo89
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rofl.
Deltu
If that was about the farming thing and someone opposed you then i must agree. Warban, youve been owned. (Counter Strike Rules!)
Carinae
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Hey you're the one complaining about how things will be too cheap and how that will hurt everyone. You're the one who isnt making sense.
And you're telling me that you dont need gold items. I never said I needed them. Yet you're here complaining about how it's going to be hard getting Fissure armor when everything is cheap. You dont NEED fissure armor. So stop being a hyprocrite. |
I'm making perfect sense. They increased the occurrence of Gold items, which will decrease the value of these items. If I find a Gold item, I can't sell it for as much.
However the thing I want to buy, Fissure Armor, costs the same. This patch sets me back.
Yamat
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PvE does not prepare you for PvP...any idiot with 8 random skills can button smash his way through PvE...
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Eet GnomeSmasher
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However the thing I want to buy, Fissure Armor, costs the same. This patch sets me back.
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I suppose only time will tell. I sincerely suspect that the Greens/Golds are going to flood the market and make everything super cheap. This has the potential to help very few and hurt everyone trying for expensive things (ie: 15k/Fissure armors)
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Sanji
Fissure Armor is overpriced and for the most part ugly, anyhow.
Cobalt
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Fissure Armor is overpriced and for the most ugly, anyhow.
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Sanji
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Nah the warriors armor just looks deformed like legs attached to the stomach other than that they all look good.
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Yamat
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And you know, that thing on his head that looks like a Gimp Mask and Shredder's helmet got into a fight.
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But what's not to like about the female mesmer gear?!