Why can't they just block certain spells and armor ? :\
Well... Ascalon under 10 arena in a nutshell?
ocoini
Why can't they just block certain spells and armor ? :\
rii
pah is not the worst they could have brought 
but yeah, equipment and elite blocking, or just plain anything unlockable after say, the mountains.
but yeah, equipment and elite blocking, or just plain anything unlockable after say, the mountains.
Ollj
theyre so pathetic, fighting newbies for fun, killing their own game.
Mandy Memory
you shoulda saw the time i brought eviscerate....i had more fun than ive ever had!
(healing hands was one i legitamently got and brought there, before it was moved from LA)
(healing hands was one i legitamently got and brought there, before it was moved from LA)
Tijger
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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory
you shoulda saw the time i brought eviscerate....i had more fun than ive ever had!
(healing hands was one i legitamently got and brought there, before it was moved from LA) |
Even though I dont really play the arenas I'd be all for Anet shutting these practices down.
Sofonisba
There have been lots of threads about this.
Most people, Mandy, are ashamed to admit they bring in that crap to the arena, because it shows how you need an unfair advantage to even compete. I'll give you props for being proud of it.
Since Anet does not seem to mind--they'll do nothing until they see it "abused," and who knows what they mean by that--I'll have to be content in my self-righteousness that I have been able to get quite a few wins under my belt and NOT becoming a doper to do so.
Most people, Mandy, are ashamed to admit they bring in that crap to the arena, because it shows how you need an unfair advantage to even compete. I'll give you props for being proud of it.
Since Anet does not seem to mind--they'll do nothing until they see it "abused," and who knows what they mean by that--I'll have to be content in my self-righteousness that I have been able to get quite a few wins under my belt and NOT becoming a doper to do so.
Mysterial
I think the green text sums up the picture pretty nicely 
Seriously, this is the millionth thread on this issue and Arenanet has made it pretty clear they don't intend to do anything about it.
Seriously, this is the millionth thread on this issue and Arenanet has made it pretty clear they don't intend to do anything about it.
Sanji
Roleplay Arenas are FUBAR. Unfortunately, if you want a fair fight as you can get in random match ups, roll a PvP character.
ocoini
Well, if this is the millionth thread about it... something tells me thats abuse
zehly
Reminds me of the time I got my mesmer to RoF before level 10. Came back and brought Migraine and Panic.
Sofonisba
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Reminds me of the time I got my mesmer to RoF before level 10. Came back and brought Migraine and Panic.
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Silmor
Wow, Peace & Harmony, I guess that person got laughed away out of the Competition Arenas to have to vent his frustration in Ascalon Arena. People using Droknar's gear and elites in Ascalon Arena must be pathetic at playing even remotely competitive PvP to have to resort to these kinds of Pyrrhic victories.
Even if you're doing it 'just for laughs', you're selfishly ruining the experience of other people, especially these days where lots of new people are around from the 10 hour accounts, their first (and thanks to you, probably only) taste of PvP is a heavily skewed fight where they have no clue why their attacks aren't doing any damage while they're getting slaughtered. Disgusting.
Even if you're doing it 'just for laughs', you're selfishly ruining the experience of other people, especially these days where lots of new people are around from the 10 hour accounts, their first (and thanks to you, probably only) taste of PvP is a heavily skewed fight where they have no clue why their attacks aren't doing any damage while they're getting slaughtered. Disgusting.
Vhayr
I like it when I'm in a "fair" team and we totally own the Droknar-encrusted Warriors. Happened a lot in the Yak's arena, and the best part is usually when you see "omg noob" floating above a nice shiny corpse.
I've been in teams with people who have been run, and it makes me sad because there's no need for it in those arenas. It's ridiculous that people are so bad at PvP that they need to go to those lengths just to gain some lousy faction. I'm not saying that I'm good in PvP, I'm barely average, but teamwork will always win over twinked out super characters.
I hope that made sense.
I've been in teams with people who have been run, and it makes me sad because there's no need for it in those arenas. It's ridiculous that people are so bad at PvP that they need to go to those lengths just to gain some lousy faction. I'm not saying that I'm good in PvP, I'm barely average, but teamwork will always win over twinked out super characters.
I hope that made sense.
Makkert
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you shoulda saw the time i brought eviscerate....i had more fun than ive ever had!
(healing hands was one i legitamently got and brought there, before it was moved from LA) |
I hope you enjoyed your time there. Now play with the big boys in tombs, gvg or the lvl 20 arena's.
This kind of behavior is really disgusting me. How can anyone take pride in a win like this? I just don't understand it. I guess a feeling of honor is lost on the youngest generation? (I can't imagine a grown up taking advantage of this to be honest)
Teklord
False sense of pride more like.
Yeah it's wrong, it's stupid and a I could go on for a long time with other descriptives but what's the point?
Why do you think Prisons have such an over crowding issue in this world; the world is full of stupid people.
Yeah it's wrong, it's stupid and a I could go on for a long time with other descriptives but what's the point?
Why do you think Prisons have such an over crowding issue in this world; the world is full of stupid people.
salja Wachi
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I smell a troll......
I hope you enjoyed your time there. Now play with the big boys in tombs, gvg or the lvl 20 arena's. This kind of behavior is really disgusting me. How can anyone take pride in a win like this? I just don't understand it. I guess a feeling of honor is lost on the youngest generation? (I can't imagine a grown up taking advantage of this to be honest) |
you are absolutely right. there is no honor amongst our younger generation.
it is almost sickening to say the least.
I guess you are going to find this kind of behavior in just about any game. It goes back the the parents in my opinion. now that everyone gets rewards for just playing (like baseball, football etc) where as my generation had to earn their trophies by WINNING against equal competition, nowadays everyone gets a trophy just for playing. they have taken away self esteem by doing these things, and I am pretty sure that the kids using draks armor and elite spells in ascalon arena are trying to gain some by winning there and getting what they feel are "their trophies". after all they cannot play on an equal playing field in tombs or at the very least team arenas.
soma
lol... people do this simply for kicks or even to grief. posts like this pretty much just encourage it. it's basically screwed up the arena game for players running their first trip through.
and of course if you wanna try this, i recommend going all out with a full spec frag mesmer/necro with virulence. it's one of the best QQ generating builds for lowbie arenas
and of course if you wanna try this, i recommend going all out with a full spec frag mesmer/necro with virulence. it's one of the best QQ generating builds for lowbie arenas
Sofonisba
I certainly don't mind if this subject gets bumped up again.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...1&page=1&pp=25
Those who say we whine and complain about it, yeah, we do. BUT seeing as how Anet will do nothing about it, allow us this one forum to commiserate?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...1&page=1&pp=25
Those who say we whine and complain about it, yeah, we do. BUT seeing as how Anet will do nothing about it, allow us this one forum to commiserate?
TadaceAce
ahaha apply poison + melandrus ranger degen build = death to n00bies! Get over it and keep lvling or make a pvp character, if it really bothers you so much lvl up and fight back, make another character and build him to fight the people farmin ascalon arena.
oh and then you could spec 13 wilderness as well (or whatever +1) you can get to at lvl 10, and have a pretty sweet heal with troll for a lvl 10.
oh and then you could spec 13 wilderness as well (or whatever +1) you can get to at lvl 10, and have a pretty sweet heal with troll for a lvl 10.
Charcoal Ann
i remember when i played there whith big jim. before he had any 'ub3r l33t' skills or armor. 12 wins. then i met a bloke wearing Citadel Armor and his whole team was apparenly in Droks armor. (necro with lvl 10 minions (not horrors, minions)included)
about win 5 i asked 'ok then who has droks armor?'
i got replys all roughly the same. 'whats that?'
i believed them, i had been healing them.
moral? you can still beat these droks and elite skill users. just requires more skill.
about win 5 i asked 'ok then who has droks armor?'
i got replys all roughly the same. 'whats that?'
i believed them, i had been healing them.
moral? you can still beat these droks and elite skill users. just requires more skill.
Teklord
Death to Twinkies!
The two popular excuses:
"If you can't beat em', join em'!" --> Pathetic
"Who cares? I don't care, neither should you!" --> Pathetic
Anything else that attampts to condone and rationalize Twinkies in the lower level arenas? You guess it! --> Pathetic!
The two popular excuses:
"If you can't beat em', join em'!" --> Pathetic
"Who cares? I don't care, neither should you!" --> Pathetic
Anything else that attampts to condone and rationalize Twinkies in the lower level arenas? You guess it! --> Pathetic!
KaPe
"ahaha apply poison + melandrus ranger degen build = death to n00bies"
So, entering random arena makes you a "n00bie" than and bringing stuff that you shouldn't have at that point of game is "pro" and fun. Good to know.
So, entering random arena makes you a "n00bie" than and bringing stuff that you shouldn't have at that point of game is "pro" and fun. Good to know.
zehly
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Not you too, Zehly? Say it ain't so...
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But I always told them I was cheating, apologized, and said that had I not, they would have beaten my n00b skills.
Aetherfox
i think a very big part of the answer is that GW is essentially two games, a story mode MMORPG and a PvP team based combat game - both are balanced differently.
the ascalon arena and yaks arenas are "in between" areas that don't quite know what they are and thus difficult / impossible to balance.
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it appears the developers of GW have made every effort to make this game as accessible to players as possible. have you played any other MMORPG? the thought of going back to RO, ROSE, WOW, makes me sick because of the sheer grind and restrictions imposed on characters. among many of the shortcuts given to you in this game are like instant travel, no consumable items, fast free healing, no permanent death penalty, non grind levelling system, freely editable player attributes.... and we also have items and skills with no level requirements.
unbalanced yaks and ascalon arenas is a very small price to pay for all of this, considering that i would personally only spend 1% of my total playtime in those areas, and 49% of my time in the story mode and 50% of my time in Tombs or GvG.
the ascalon arena and yaks arenas are "in between" areas that don't quite know what they are and thus difficult / impossible to balance.
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it appears the developers of GW have made every effort to make this game as accessible to players as possible. have you played any other MMORPG? the thought of going back to RO, ROSE, WOW, makes me sick because of the sheer grind and restrictions imposed on characters. among many of the shortcuts given to you in this game are like instant travel, no consumable items, fast free healing, no permanent death penalty, non grind levelling system, freely editable player attributes.... and we also have items and skills with no level requirements.
unbalanced yaks and ascalon arenas is a very small price to pay for all of this, considering that i would personally only spend 1% of my total playtime in those areas, and 49% of my time in the story mode and 50% of my time in Tombs or GvG.
Phrozenflame
AetherFox is right, goto other MMPORGs...as soon as you step into the area and waaaaaa..you just got pwned by someone 50 lvls higher than you.
But, let that not be an excuse to do lame stuff in low lvl areans, they should have item checks.
But, let that not be an excuse to do lame stuff in low lvl areans, they should have item checks.
EternalTempest
Agree, my FFXI accounts are about to go deactive... want to talk about grind.... (at least you can change your jobs at will)
I do agree they need to do something be it restrict armor, restrict any skill past yak bend, or make is so all the "l33t" people get pitted against each other and not against new players or someone who has not been to citadel and back...
I think changing the pairing if you have an elite skill, certain "flagged" skils, or 15k armor you fight others of your same.
I do agree they need to do something be it restrict armor, restrict any skill past yak bend, or make is so all the "l33t" people get pitted against each other and not against new players or someone who has not been to citadel and back...
I think changing the pairing if you have an elite skill, certain "flagged" skils, or 15k armor you fight others of your same.
Eskimo Bob
I don't care how they fix it, I just want it fixed. Why do people insist on ruining others fun? I would love it A.net did a creative fix to this. Like if there is someone with restricted armor or skills, a mob of lvl 20 charr come in and gank them, repeatidly.
Aetherfox
my counter to droknars armour in ascalone arena - i am running a Me/Ne fastcast multi hexer with multiple enchant strips -> i can quickly apply a -9 degen to target and strip healing breeze as necessary (which is the only healing they seem to use there)
oh wait. those skills are obtained by running to droknars anyway.
^_^
oh wait. those skills are obtained by running to droknars anyway.
^_^
cookiehoarder
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you shoulda saw the time i brought eviscerate....i had more fun than ive ever had!
(healing hands was one i legitamently got and brought there, before it was moved from LA) |
Sanji
It's technically possible to get Eviscerate before you hit 10, as you only need to complete three missions to get to Hell's Precipice.
Admittedly, a twink job of that magnitude would require some dedication, but it is entirely possible if you have 7 Guildmates who at least mediocre players and are willing to help you.
Admittedly, a twink job of that magnitude would require some dedication, but it is entirely possible if you have 7 Guildmates who at least mediocre players and are willing to help you.
Sofonisba
I appreciate the references to the other games I could possibly play and hate. But, I have never played them and probably never will. I enjoy the lower level arenas, I will not wait until level 20 before I do PvP.
I have nothing against people who rush to Droks for armor and skills for PvE.
If Anet can implement the code to prevent equipping two elites at once, it can implement the code to prevent equipping one elite in the arena lobbies at Ascalon and Yak's. I just don't think they think it's a problem, unlike many of us.
Yes, Aetherfox, there are skills that ignore armor. But if you are a ranger and you repeatedly shoot for 0 damage on someone wearing Droks? Hmm, somethin ain't right.
I have nothing against people who rush to Droks for armor and skills for PvE.
If Anet can implement the code to prevent equipping two elites at once, it can implement the code to prevent equipping one elite in the arena lobbies at Ascalon and Yak's. I just don't think they think it's a problem, unlike many of us.
Yes, Aetherfox, there are skills that ignore armor. But if you are a ranger and you repeatedly shoot for 0 damage on someone wearing Droks? Hmm, somethin ain't right.
Calnaion Blackhawk
i dont think people go in there so they can compete i think they just like to have a lil fun sometimes
Arcanis the Omnipotent
No, I'm pretty sure the Newbies go in there to compete for their first attempts at PVP.
Alana
Does anyone know if ArenaNet has an official position on this issue? I know they have officially stated they are okay with runners. That's fine and dandy. However, I really think they need to do something about these low level arenas, and I think many other people agree. How frustrating for the new players to not even have a chance to experience PvP on anything that even comes *close* to a level playing field!
There are many people who believe this game is really designed for PvP and the PvE is just a tutorial to that end (I don't really agree, but we don't need to discuss that here). If new players cannot even learn how to PvP in the smaller arenas, how will they have any hope of participating in the "main" portion of this game? Being "pwnd!!11!!!" by some immature fool with elite skills does not teach you anything about strategy, teamwork, or PvP in general. It teaches you that you "need" to twink out your character to have a chance at winning. Which is ridiculously false on so many levels.
*steps off her soapbox*
Anyway, does anyone recall hearing anything official from ArenaNet regarding this? This really needs adjusting in some way, I believe.
There are many people who believe this game is really designed for PvP and the PvE is just a tutorial to that end (I don't really agree, but we don't need to discuss that here). If new players cannot even learn how to PvP in the smaller arenas, how will they have any hope of participating in the "main" portion of this game? Being "pwnd!!11!!!" by some immature fool with elite skills does not teach you anything about strategy, teamwork, or PvP in general. It teaches you that you "need" to twink out your character to have a chance at winning. Which is ridiculously false on so many levels.
*steps off her soapbox*
Anyway, does anyone recall hearing anything official from ArenaNet regarding this? This really needs adjusting in some way, I believe.
Numa Pompilius
Me, I'm pretty sure many who go in there twinked to the teeth are not newbies.
However - what's the deal with the shiny golden armor of the guy on the posted pic? Don't think I've ever seen that effect.
However - what's the deal with the shiny golden armor of the guy on the posted pic? Don't think I've ever seen that effect.
Shmash Witdaclub
It really all does come down to skill. I have 2 lvl 20 pve and i made my fourth - a ranger. i am completely against twinking when it comes to pvp- takes the fun out of so many games. having said that - i still beat the crap out of so many of you drokers and elites in ascalo - thank god i at leats had my gold bow............
however, once i hit lvl 11 - end of the ascalon arena - i did my first drok run and got the drok armor for her. I think that it is well deserved to twink and not have to go through all of the missions in this game once you have practically beaten it with 3 other characters.
yes, i am a lil bit of a hypocrit but I had to even the odds some.
however, once i hit lvl 11 - end of the ascalon arena - i did my first drok run and got the drok armor for her. I think that it is well deserved to twink and not have to go through all of the missions in this game once you have practically beaten it with 3 other characters.
yes, i am a lil bit of a hypocrit but I had to even the odds some.
Shin Shadowbane
/signed.
I agree, this crap in the low level arena's RUINs the PvP experience...its nothing but causing a bad day for someone else. Its the same thing as 20 year old smacking around a 13 year old, just for fun or to make themselves feel tough==>Pathetic. Hopefully A.net will take some of the good ideas posted by the community and implement them.
Every new character I make, I usually run them through Ascalon Arena a few times till I run into the twinks, then I quit the PvP part because I can't compete against cheaters. So by the time I get to the team arena's or Tombs, I have had no practice in PvP so I would be no good to any teams there. The Ascalon Arena in particular is no longer useful for its original purpose, which I believe was to introduce people to PvP and practice skills and builds. Now its only for Griefers and Faction Farmers
I agree, this crap in the low level arena's RUINs the PvP experience...its nothing but causing a bad day for someone else. Its the same thing as 20 year old smacking around a 13 year old, just for fun or to make themselves feel tough==>Pathetic. Hopefully A.net will take some of the good ideas posted by the community and implement them.
Every new character I make, I usually run them through Ascalon Arena a few times till I run into the twinks, then I quit the PvP part because I can't compete against cheaters. So by the time I get to the team arena's or Tombs, I have had no practice in PvP so I would be no good to any teams there. The Ascalon Arena in particular is no longer useful for its original purpose, which I believe was to introduce people to PvP and practice skills and builds. Now its only for Griefers and Faction Farmers
Mysterial
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Does anyone know if ArenaNet has an official position on this issue?
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Arturo02
It was much worse when you didn't get xp. Now at least at SOME point a tricked out char will be booted.
Sofonisba
It's sort of funny. If Anet considers these folks "abusers," then punishment is meted out very very very slowly, 100xp at a time... "Yes, in about 150 more kills, you are outta here!! I mean it!"
It's fun stuff, especially on the rare occasion you can live through a Poison Arrow or Life Transfer long enough to kill something.
(<---still self-righteous about not being a twinkie)
It's fun stuff, especially on the rare occasion you can live through a Poison Arrow or Life Transfer long enough to kill something.
(<---still self-righteous about not being a twinkie)