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against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

23 Nov 2005 at 20:28 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

For those complaining about Scammers being able to change names:

What's to stop a person from deleting a character who scammed, and creating a new one?

The time to recreate the character.

Still...it takes a ginormous idiot to get scammed. If something is too good to be true, it usually is. Trading for accounts is illegal and if you're trading for something for more than 100K; get some ectos or other item currency.

I think scam victims pretty much deserve it.

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

23 Nov 2005 at 20:36 - 82

As I said before, if it was clear that Person Y used to be Person X (by mousing over their name and having a message appear, just as an example), that pretty much takes away any "scammed" related complaint.

If ignore and friends list stays unchanged (just with the new name appearing), this also ends that debate.

So, really, the only issue left is do we really want to punish ourselves with characters named "L33t Nooob Killer" running around.

In fact, I'd like to start another petition to force players to come up with decent names. I have no idea how to enforce it, though....

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

23 Nov 2005 at 20:45 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

I think scam victims pretty much deserve it.

how about robbery victims going into the wrong part of a city while visiting?

some people still trust other people and have not learned the tricks of the scammer yet.

maybe we should come down at least as hard on the scammer as we do on the victem (oops i meant stupid noob)

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

23 Nov 2005 at 20:46 - 84

/Signed BUT

It should be done on the player select screen, and only be allowed once a month or so per character.

And to all the people talking about names possibly being primary keys, I'm sure Anet has already thought about that. If there were any bad things that could happen they will take it into consideration when/if this is implemented. Give them some credit.

nine breaker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Me/

23 Nov 2005 at 20:48 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Doesn't anyone pay attention?

It looks like name is a primary key. What that means, in a nutshell, is that name is used as a lookup into the databases for your characters information. Most likely, this field is not modifyable. That means you cannot change it, and any attempts to do so would throw an error.

Now, IF they were to recreate all the databases, copy all the data from the old databases into the new ones, rename the new ones to the same names as the old ones (after deleting the old ones) and have GW shut down the entire time... then they would have to deal with the headaches that come with having databases with modifyable primary keys.

You don't want this. Trust me. The risk goes way beyond potential scammer abuse.

With all due respect, I doubt that's how the backend is implemented. A user visible string, the character name in this case, is rarely if ever used as the primary key. I'm just speculating here, but combination of account id plus the slot id seems to be a more likely candidate for the primary key.

Besides, if a name change would result in a full database migration / rebuild, then ANet would have a very difficult time dealing inproper character names.

There is a risk for being abused. However, it can be mitigated via,
1. limited use, a scheme similar to changing territory
2. cost, may be something similar to buying skills

I don't see any risk in providing the ability to change appearance. It would be another fun thing for people to do. Just make them pay dearly for their "plastic surgery"

/signed

Greene Axe

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

Feast of Crows (FoCr)

W/Mo

23 Nov 2005 at 20:56 - 86

What about being able to request support to change your name -- thus avoiding everyone's most-loved lunch delicacy?

Rorin Dragho

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

W/Mo

23 Nov 2005 at 22:38 - 87

/signed

but i do think there should be rules towards updating your char with new names and appearance

maybe have it depend on faction
as you would need to buy skills and items for your pvp with faction you should also be able to change your name and or appearance with it
that would limit the abuse to a degree

having the option to change your name anytime you like would not be a great idea

what if a player cheats you with whatever nect time you see his char with a different name you wouldnt know hes that guy

and people will be cheated with this new implement no arguments there right?

Victory Gaint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

in a box

Archs of Cursed Blood [War]

R/W

23 Nov 2005 at 23:29 - 88

Anet should make it so u can have a "nickname" so u wouldnt have to change your full name or delete your char.

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

24 Nov 2005 at 04:48 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

how about robbery victims going into the wrong part of a city while visiting?

some people still trust other people and have not learned the tricks of the scammer yet.

maybe we should come down at least as hard on the scammer as we do on the victem (oops i meant stupid noob)

You don't give a robber your wallet willingly. I bet you've gotten scammed before. Wise up rookie.

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

24 Nov 2005 at 04:50 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greene Axe

What about being able to request support to change your name -- thus avoiding everyone's most-loved lunch delicacy?

Because that would be too heavy of a burden on GMs.

Daegul Mistweaver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Incredible Edible Bookah [YUM]

W/N

24 Nov 2005 at 06:35 - 91

/signed

Really hope this is available for the expansion; hate to scrap a main character just to stick his name on my new assassin.

Sol_Vie

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Boston, MA

Blood Of Orr [BoO]

24 Nov 2005 at 06:39 - 92

/signed

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

24 Nov 2005 at 07:39 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

You don't give a robber your wallet willingly. I bet you've gotten scammed before. Wise up rookie.

You ever got beaten up by 12 guys 1 block from your house because you have an empty wallet? Ya...blame the robbery victim...its always their fault.

-.-

anyway...i think renaming should be:

1) Free
2) You are allowed a limited number just like server changes.

Cymmina

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Me/N

24 Nov 2005 at 14:27 - 94

I challenge anyone to name a well known scammer. It's ok, I'll wait.

I'm not sure how anyone figures you'll be able to impersonate someone. Most well known players that are "good" probably aren't interested in changing their names. The unique character names will still be enforced.

Guild Wars is not like a MMORPG where your name actually means something. The servers are too large, making the chances of meeting someone two days in a row fairly small. On top of that, you can get to level 20 in ~2 days thanks to rushing. Sounds a lot like Diablo. Compare that to FFXI where it takes a few weeks to get to level 30 and most people in the 60's know who not to group with in their level range. Or maybe UO where griefing/scamming/pking really is allowed to some extent. Since there's no levels, a well dressed newbie character can pass as an established character *and* there are no unique names (grrr to the 50 Urther Pendragons and Drizzt Do Urden). On top of that, with 60 stealing, you can join the thieves' guild (which lets you steal from players) and get a disguise kit that will temporarily change your hair color/style and give you a random NPC name. Oh, and for $20 U.S., you can get your name changed. People, both good and bad, became well known despite these things.

BTW, if you friend/guild a PvP character that gets deleted, they don't magically vanish from the list. Names most definitely are not the primary key. I suspect, though, that the name is stored when added to the list purely for display purposes, in addition to the primary key of the account.

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

24 Nov 2005 at 14:39 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

You don't give a robber your wallet willingly. I bet you've gotten scammed before. Wise up rookie.

You are an idiot.

Advising people to confront muggers is a bad idea. If someone were hurt as a result of your suggestion I'd hope you'd at least feel some guilt.

Oh, BTW, I was mugged by a gang of 6 teens in Paris (bad idea - wander looking for night photography in a bad area, but I was young back then). I'm not going to try to take on 6 teenagers with knives. Wallets are replaceable, my internal organs somewhat less so.

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

24 Nov 2005 at 14:46 - 96

There should be a sticky here with forbidden suggestions. This idea is just bad.

on it:
- this
- raising the level cap
- UAS (beaten to death, not going to happen as stated, game over)
- ....

Gem

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Finland

Running Rangers

R/

24 Nov 2005 at 15:13 - 97

The ablitiy to change your characters name would be nice.
It might be abused though, so it should be limited in the following ways:

1) A significant cost. This would prevent constant name changing.

2) Changed by an NPC. This would prevent name changing while in instances or during PvP.

3) Only characters of level 20 or only ascended characters. This would mean that only those characters could change names that are really playing the game. It would suck if any scammers/sell accounts/etc could change names. Maby the NPC should be placed to Dragons Lair.

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

24 Nov 2005 at 15:25 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gem

The ablitiy to change your characters name would be nice.
It might be abused though, so it should be limited in the following ways:

1) A significant cost. This would prevent constant name changing.

Do you think a scammer is one that would be affected by high cost? I think not.

Quote:

2) Changed by an NPC. This would prevent name changing while in instances or during PvP.

that would have be a minimum if it came to be.

Quote:

3) Only characters of level 20 or only ascended characters. This would mean that only those characters could change names that are really playing the game. It would suck if any scammers/sell accounts/etc could change names. Maby the NPC should be placed to Dragons Lair.

Levelling to 20 can be done rapidly. Scammers will learn to powerlevel.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

24 Nov 2005 at 15:45 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

You don't give a robber your wallet willingly. I bet you've gotten scammed before. Wise up rookie.

i learned not to get scammed before you were born.

i didnt get scammed during the beta events either

you are about 13 years old and have been lucky enough not to have been confronted by a robber /gang member who will simply kill you without even thinking about it if you dont do just what they say.

you have the i am invulnerable outlook of an arrogant child who has not been in that position.

STOP GIVING THE SCAMMERS/CRIMINALS A FREE PASS

AS STATED BY OTHERS YOU ARE AN IDIOT (hopefully you will live long enough to out grow it)

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

24 Nov 2005 at 18:17 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

i learned not to get scammed before you were born.

i didnt get scammed during the beta events either

you are about 13 years old and have been lucky enough not to have been confronted by a robber /gang member who will simply kill you without even thinking about it if you dont do just what they say.

you have the i am invulnerable outlook of an arrogant child who has not been in that position.

STOP GIVING THE SCAMMERS/CRIMINALS A FREE PASS

AS STATED BY OTHERS YOU ARE AN IDIOT (hopefully you will live long enough to out grow it)

Have you ever been robbed by someone who talked you into giving them your wallet? Scamming =/= Robbery. You have to voulenteer to give away whatever you have to be a scam victim. It's not like the GW scammers are threatening your life with a gun. They are just talking you into doing something stupid. Smart people don't get scammed.

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

24 Nov 2005 at 18:20 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epinephrine

You are an idiot.

Advising people to confront muggers is a bad idea. If someone were hurt as a result of your suggestion I'd hope you'd at least feel some guilt.

Oh, BTW, I was mugged by a gang of 6 teens in Paris (bad idea - wander looking for night photography in a bad area, but I was young back then). I'm not going to try to take on 6 teenagers with knives. Wallets are replaceable, my internal organs somewhat less so.

Did the 6 teenagers force you to give your wallet or talk you into it with a sweet deal?

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

24 Nov 2005 at 18:21 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

You ever got beaten up by 12 guys 1 block from your house because you have an empty wallet? Ya...blame the robbery victim...its always their fault.

-.-

anyway...i think renaming should be:

1) Free
2) You are allowed a limited number just like server changes.

Did the 12 guys force you to give your wallet or talk you into it with a sweet deal?

unamed player

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Im a merc.

24 Nov 2005 at 18:22 - 103

Whats wrong with cross dressers

Well to hell with you too

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

24 Nov 2005 at 20:00 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

Did the 12 guys force you to give your wallet or talk you into it with a sweet deal?

IMO, scamming is a lot more devious than robbery.

however, both: preying on the innocent, taking something that doestn belong to them.

one uses brute force or terror, the other uses deceipt and lies.

Now can we get back to topic please??

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

24 Nov 2005 at 20:13 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

Have you ever been robbed by someone who talked you into giving them your wallet? Scamming =/= Robbery. You have to voulenteer to give away whatever you have to be a scam victim. It's not like the GW scammers are threatening your life with a gun. They are just talking you into doing something stupid. Smart people don't get scammed.

no you dont volenteer to give it away you make a deal in good faith on your part and the scammer (fraud) makes the deal in bad faith intending to steal it

it is stolen either by force (robbery) or deception (fraud,scam)

FRAUD EQUALS JAIL TIME IN MANY CASES IF CONVICTED

trusting people get scammed because they have the idea that basically most people are honest.

nine6nine

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Umbra Sumus

W/Mo

24 Nov 2005 at 20:30 - 106

The People who scam are just lazy, bad players who dont know how to make cash at all id imagine most of them where about 8yr olds who dont understand the game but then fpr an 8 yr old to trick an adult is quite hard Hacking is annoying 2 and on a different on line game runescape i know some one who has hacked around 56mill of ppl

leeky baby

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Surrey University

Starting to play again... need a guild

W/E

24 Nov 2005 at 20:34 - 107

No,you shouldt be able to change ur name thsi will mean scammers,racial abuse,bad behaviour in the game will not be able to be stopped and there account banned extra or whatever happens.
Yes changing hair(go to the hairdressers

) is a good idea

Jade

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Canada...... Eh!

24 Nov 2005 at 20:34 - 108

I'll admit, I didn't have the time or energy to read all these posts. But my question would be, if they had a way for you to change your name, what would happen to your armor and customized weapons? Would the name change on them too? If they did then I would assume that one could turn around and sell thier armor and customized weapons to other players. All they would have to do is change thier name to what it says on the armor while you change yours to something else. Which, in turn, would bring out a whole load of scammers. *sigh*

darkdragon99

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

decatur indiana

hell's mercenaries

W/E

24 Nov 2005 at 21:05 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jade

I'll admit, I didn't have the time or energy to read all these posts. But my question would be, if they had a way for you to change your name, what would happen to your armor and customized weapons? Would the name change on them too? If they did then I would assume that one could turn around and sell thier armor and customized weapons to other players. All they would have to do is change thier name to what it says on the armor while you change yours to something else. Which, in turn, would bring out a whole load of scammers. *sigh*

that doesn't work the name doesn't matter the armor is fixed to that char not that name i know i tested that.

if your dumb enough to get scammed than get scammed if you get mugged without a fight your a coward my freind.

Shimus DarkRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Titusville, PA <nowhere>

KOD <Knights of the Dragonrose><Guild Officer>

W/Mo

24 Nov 2005 at 23:14 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makkert

Do you think a scammer is one that would be affected by high cost? I think not.

that would have be a minimum if it came to be.

Levelling to 20 can be done rapidly. Scammers will learn to powerlevel.

If this is the case, half the stuff in the game would have been revoked due to "scammers"

1> Scammer affected? If not, then NOONE will be affected. It's kind of like picking a handful of people, saying they all downloaded music, and only picking on to take to trial in a court. I'm not saying scammers wouldn't do it; but there really is no way to protect AGAINST scamming, unless you bypass "three failsafes" <---1> Trade Window <----2> Hitting "Confirm" <----3> Clicking accept. Other then that there is no-way to be scammed unless you willingly participate. Note: I said scamming, not hackers, so this doesn't include hacked accounts or anything. MY guess is you've already been "scammed" or know somebody who has and is bitter against everyone for it.

There's noway to tell even if you didn't know their names or if they changed em to begin with.

2> Make it some ridiculously large amount of something if you people are so insecure about it, like 5-10 skillpoints <so we know you're actually playing the game>

3>If people rapidly levelled to 20 <Granted, there are quite a few> and then went on to scamming, their name gets reported. Yes; they can change their name, but only if they REALLY want to scam people as they'll need a high cost in skillpoints or some other in-game attainable payment <aside from gold, which I feel is bad...paying to change? No thanks. I'll trade in 5-10 skillpoints though!>

Yes, this idea has a lot of holes, but in general it is a very good idea; in case I wanted to add a "Sir" name or "Master" name to my characters, or just plain rename them because I think they deserve a different/better one. This is why the skillpoint thing would be do-able..it makes you earn it instead of <changing names to scam people>

--The Shim

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

24 Nov 2005 at 23:14 - 111

I made a thread about changing the name on customized items with the changing of your character name.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=83932

The only way to prevent scamming is to have an IQ test as part of character creation. Someone selling you a 15>50 8 Req Chaos Axe for 200p, but for plat only and you have to give 100p first is going to run with your 100K. People selling you their "account" are scamming you. Not to mention that's breaking the EULA.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

24 Nov 2005 at 23:45 - 112

[QUOTE=darkdragon99]
if your dumb enough to get scammed than get scammed if you get mugged without a fight your a coward my freind.[/QUOTE]

are you actually saying someone who hands over their money to someone with a knife or gun is a coward?

if you are saying that you are some little kid (of any age) who has never been in that position.

or you may be culled before you can pass it on. (evolution in action)

Hannibel

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Playboy Entertainment

24 Nov 2005 at 23:58 - 113

/signed

Digirom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

25 Nov 2005 at 00:54 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Your character name is probably a unique key type of field in the databases, and what you see externally as a simple change probably needs to be spammed across databases... providing they even allow a key field to be changed.

/NOT Signed, out of respect for the devs.

I dont think our character primary key in database is its name, because you cant wear for exemple an armor that you created with one char that you deleted on another char who has exactly the same name.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthShadow

lets not forget everyone that the people who sign this are:
a.)selfish
b.)scammers
c.)uncreative
d.)outright illiterate
EDIT:
e.)Cross-dressers

If you add someone to your "friend list", even if he deleted his char to creat another one, i think you can still see that guy, so i dont think you re right saying what you say, or maybe you think people can remember the names of all the scammers around the game

and so on...

So I m for being able to change char name

/signed

Plague

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

N/E

25 Nov 2005 at 01:11 - 115

The information database on characters is NOT determined by name. It's a unique player ID that's auto-generated. Try to create a new player with the same name as an old one, and use the old player's customized equipment on the new player. Same name, different player.

ange1

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

25 Nov 2005 at 01:41 - 116

/signed

darkdragon99

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

decatur indiana

hell's mercenaries

W/E

25 Nov 2005 at 01:52 - 117

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkdragon99

if your dumb enough to get scammed than get scammed if you get mugged without a fight your a coward my freind.[/QUOTE]

are you actually saying someone who hands over their money to someone with a knife or gun is a coward?

if you are saying that you are some little kid (of any age) who has never been in that position.

or you may be culled before you can pass it on. (evolution in action)

for your info i have been mugged 2 times and both times i either took there knife away and or beat the crap out of them. i have never been scammed cause i'm not dumb enough to trust someone i don't know.

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

25 Nov 2005 at 02:35 - 118

It would be nice to change the name but It should not be more then 2 or 3 time, I dont like to learn each time an another name for my friends list, I know them from the character name.

is easyer

Shimus DarkRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Titusville, PA <nowhere>

KOD <Knights of the Dragonrose><Guild Officer>

W/Mo

25 Nov 2005 at 03:34 - 119

[QUOTE=darkdragon99]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

for your info i have been mugged 2 times and both times i either took there knife away and or beat the crap out of them. i have never been scammed cause i'm not dumb enough to trust someone i don't know.

You, my friend, although adequately have shown your courage while being mugged, shouldn't set that example for other people. You should give them what they want; you can never put yourself in their shoes. It goes for alot of things. One wallet isn't worth one life, no matter how you look at it. You should set the example you should do what is needed to ENSURE SAFETY, not kicking "the crap" out of them..you never know if they'll fire a gun, or stab at you :P

--The Shim

Lampshade

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Xen of Onslaught

25 Nov 2005 at 07:54 - 120

The only thing I want is an Edit button.
there you would go into the character creation screen for that character and you could edit everything.

Example: Ah crap I used a major instead of a minor.
Edit>click supirior>accept changes.