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Illuminator

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Elysium of Angels

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09 Apr 2007 at 09:32 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloody streak

the pet isnt your weapon its a spell
(a weapon i GW is somthing you weild

Soooo if its a spell why does it have hit points? It's an animal companion.
And if you are tired to just stand and look at ur pet fighting have 9 in marksmanship then.

Stop complaining about it, and if rangers get another weapon my paragon should get high-pitched opera voice that has req 9 to leadership.

bloody streak

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

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slayers players

E/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 00:45 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illuminator

Soooo if its a spell why does it have hit points? It's an animal companion.
And if you are tired to just stand and look at ur pet fighting have 9 in marksmanship then.

Stop complaining about it, and if rangers get another weapon my paragon should get high-pitched opera voice that has req 9 to leadership.

dude you seriously need to stop whining look through this thread and the majority want a new weapon

first of all it is a spell if you say "why does it have hit points" then why does Flare have hit points; having a pet is a spell because its equipped in your spell bar (think before you speak please or don't reply to the thread)

second, how do you have 9 marksmanship when all your attrbs are drained into WS BM and expertise. ive said this before

and why the hell would u have an opera voice thats kinda lame
if you want a new wep for the paragon start a thread about it; even though a paragon isn't off balanced like a ranger (off balance is the wrong term for it, cant think of the words for it, but you get my drift)

shirosae

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK

Moon Unit Carby

R/Me

10 Apr 2007 at 00:48 - 243

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lydz

Yes, elementalists' primary source of damage is spells, and they do have weapons linked to their attributes, but those weapons aren't of much use to them. I certainly am not going to kill a ranger with my staff and no spells, because I don't have any skills that relate to my staff (minus the Conjure X spells).

Neither +20% Enchantment duration, 20% HCT/HSR, +(15-20) Energy, nor 20% Attribute +1 is of much use to an Elementalist?

Using a Stave to bring up pet DPS to that of melee weapons is not a bad idea. Using a Stave to add in exactly the same bonuses that most other professions get isn't really that bad an idea either. Adding in similar weapons so that Deadly Arts/Wind Prayers wasn't so awkward to use isn't really a terrible idea either.

Also, i wouldn't really mind if Paragons got Command or Motivation weapons.

sneakysmith12

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

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Running Rangers [RR]

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10 Apr 2007 at 00:54 - 244

/not signed. sorry, but beast mastery is the focus on beasts, either way if u plan on using a bow you should be planning on using marksmanship.

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

10 Apr 2007 at 01:32 - 245

"I'm wielding a Flea Comb and a Catnip Mouse!"

the silly in me thinks that would be sweet. but...idk. it is a tad frustrating to have to use up precious attribute points in marksmanship and expertise just to use yr bow and manage yr energy when you're not using any (or very few) skills from those attributes, also leaving you with limited healing and very few ways to use yr secondary profession.

having bows with other attribute requirements other than marksmanship doesn't make sense though. however, i would buy into staffs/wands/offhands for wilderness survival and beast mastery.

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

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Astral Revenants

P/W

10 Apr 2007 at 01:46 - 246

I'm wielding an Adept Small Puppy of Beast Mastery!

bloody streak

Frost Gate Guardian

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slayers players

E/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 01:48 - 247

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohara

"I'm wielding a Flea Comb and a Catnip Mouse!"

the silly in me thinks that would be sweet. but...idk. it is a tad frustrating to have to use up precious attribute points in marksmanship and expertise just to use yr bow and manage yr energy when you're not using any (or very few) skills from those attributes, also leaving you with limited healing and very few ways to use yr secondary profession.

having bows with other attribute requirements other than marksmanship doesn't make sense though. however, i would buy into staffs/wands/offhands for wilderness survival and beast mastery.

it is hard to manage bow to do still low dmg but i want a pet

bloody streak

Frost Gate Guardian

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E/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 01:50 - 248

I'm wielding a Fiery Scratching Post of MeowMix.

Dubby

Lion's Arch Merchant

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10 Apr 2007 at 06:39 - 249

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohara

it is a tad frustrating to have to use up precious attribute points in marksmanship and expertise just to use yr bow and manage yr energy when you're not using any (or very few) skills from those attributes, also leaving you with limited healing and very few ways to use yr secondary profession.

Then Dont Use A Bow

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

10 Apr 2007 at 07:08 - 250

If rangers get a new type of weapon then so should assassins and dervs.

Folken ~oOo~

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10 Apr 2007 at 07:42 - 251

/signed

Something else than a bow, would be great. The Whip is a good idea

MithranArkanere

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10 Apr 2007 at 12:11 - 252

Bows are the only martial weapon with so different types:
Longbow 2.4 seconds 1.6 0.59 seconds Normal Medium None
Flatbow 2.0 seconds 1.6 0.88 seconds Large Poor None
Hornbow 2.7 seconds 1.4 0.59 seconds Normal Medium 10% Armor penetration
Recurve Bow 2.4 seconds 1.4 0.40 seconds Small Good None
Shortbow 2.0 seconds 1.05 0.59 seconds Normal Medium None

There are differences between short and long swords? No.
Do the other martial classes have different choices than their weapons and shields? No. Warrior have linked to all weapons... but many weapons it's their specialty. Paragons even don't have a shield linked to Leadership.
So... why?
Because Ranger is your favourite class?
Then I want knucles to smitting, and daggers for blood magic.

shirosae

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK

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R/Me

10 Apr 2007 at 13:48 - 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Do the other martial classes have different choices than their weapons and shields?

You mean like Warrior, with shields in both Strength and Tactics, and Paragon, with shields in both Command and Motivation?

Isn't this the reason that so few people use Deadly Arts or Wind Prayers? Because there aren't enough attribute points to make using those lines viable?

Making infrequently used attribute lines more feasible without giving them some insanely overpowered skills is hardly a bad idea.

Quote:

No. Warrior have linked to all weapons... but many weapons it's their specialty. Paragons even don't have a shield linked to Leadership.
So... why?
Because Ranger is your favourite class?
Then I want knucles to smitting, and daggers for blood magic.

Smiting already gets weapons with damage, HCT/HSR +20% Enchant etc. So does Blood Magic.

I want some Beastmastery weapons because my pet complains whenever i try to fit him with a weapon mod. Adding a staff with bonuses to Wilderness Survival sounds good too. If adding a set of new weapons to allow easier use of awkward attribute lines works, i'm all for that too.

Just while i'm thinking:

WS:
Insightful Staff of Wilderness (Inscription: "I Have the Power!"):
Damage 11-22 (req9), Energy +10, Energy +5, Energy +5, Wilderness Survivial +1 (20%), Half Skill Recharge Wilderness Survival (20%)

BM:
Zealous Throwing Axe (shortbow range):
Damage 11-22 (req9), Energy Gain +1/-1

Offhand Focus of Beastmastery:
Energy +6 (req9), Beast Mastery +1 (20%)

To those of us who have actually read the thread: The above is what we're thinking, yay or nay?

tyche7

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Nebraska

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W/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 14:01 - 254

/signed
I agree we should have more options.

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

10 Apr 2007 at 16:23 - 255

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

If rangers get a new type of weapon then so should assassins and dervs.

Agreed. Staves/wands/focus items all around.

Warriors get a weapon or off-hand for each attrbute, as do all casters. The Paragon gets 2 different shields and a weapon. Assassin, Dervish and Ranger can all make offensive characters using an offensive attribute and yet not have a weapon - Shadow Arts isn't offensive, but an off-hand might be nice for those using it.

Kynareth Adeus

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

D/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 21:34 - 256

Yes, and assassins need daggers for crit strikes and deadly arts, and dervs need staves for wind and earth prayers.

What?

bloody streak

Frost Gate Guardian

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E/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 22:25 - 257

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

If rangers get a new type of weapon then so should assassins and dervs.

why theyre not having problems and nobody is complaining in other threads

bloody streak

Frost Gate Guardian

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E/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 22:29 - 258

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kynareth Adeus

Yes, and assassins need daggers for crit strikes and deadly arts, and dervs need staves for wind and earth prayers.

What?

ok now you guys just want a weapon for every attrb where the hell is the fun in that
i mean everything will have to be nerfed and there will be no skill in it

bloody streak

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

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E/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 22:58 - 259

Quote:

Originally Posted by shirosae

You mean like Warrior, with shields in both Strength and Tactics, and Paragon, with shields in both Command and Motivation?

Isn't this the reason that so few people use Deadly Arts or Wind Prayers? Because there aren't enough attribute points to make using those lines viable?

Making infrequently used attribute lines more feasible without giving them some insanely overpowered skills is hardly a bad idea.

Smiting already gets weapons with damage, HCT/HSR +20% Enchant etc. So does Blood Magic.

I want some Beastmastery weapons because my pet complains whenever i try to fit him with a weapon mod. Adding a staff with bonuses to Wilderness Survival sounds good too. If adding a set of new weapons to allow easier use of awkward attribute lines works, i'm all for that too.

Just while i'm thinking:

WS:
Insightful Staff of Wilderness (Inscription: "I Have the Power!"):
Damage 11-22 (req9), Energy +10, Energy +5, Energy +5, Wilderness Survivial +1 (20%), Half Skill Recharge Wilderness Survival (20%)

BM:
Zealous Throwing Axe (shortbow range):
Damage 11-22 (req9), Energy Gain +1/-1

Offhand Focus of Beastmastery:
Energy +6 (req9), Beast Mastery +1 (20%)

To those of us who have actually read the thread: The above is what we're thinking, yay or nay?

yay

a staff wouldnt look that great for a ranger how about

Zealous Walking Stick of Wilderness Survival
Earth Dmg 10-20 (req 8 Wilderness Suvival)
Inscription: "Knowing is Half the Battle"
Armor +5 (while casting)
Energy gain on hit: 1
Energy regeneration: -1
+1 Wilderness Survival (20%chance while using skills)

Range: this weapon has half the normal range
Attack Interval: 1.75
Arc Size: small
Projectile Flight Time: .4 seconds

and for Beast Mastery
Barbed Whip of Fortitude
Slashing Dmg 8-22 (req 11 Beast Mastery)
Inscription: "To the Pain!"
Damage +15%
Armor -10 (while attacking)
Lengthens Bleeding duration on foes by 33%
Health +30

Range: this weapon has half the normal range
Attack Interval: 1.75

bloody streak

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

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E/Mo

10 Apr 2007 at 22:59 - 260

Quote:

Originally Posted by shirosae

You mean like Warrior, with shields in both Strength and Tactics, and Paragon, with shields in both Command and Motivation?

Isn't this the reason that so few people use Deadly Arts or Wind Prayers? Because there aren't enough attribute points to make using those lines viable?

Making infrequently used attribute lines more feasible without giving them some insanely overpowered skills is hardly a bad idea.

Smiting already gets weapons with damage, HCT/HSR +20% Enchant etc. So does Blood Magic.

I want some Beastmastery weapons because my pet complains whenever i try to fit him with a weapon mod. Adding a staff with bonuses to Wilderness Survival sounds good too. If adding a set of new weapons to allow easier use of awkward attribute lines works, i'm all for that too.

Just while i'm thinking:

WS:
Insightful Staff of Wilderness (Inscription: "I Have the Power!"):
Damage 11-22 (req9), Energy +10, Energy +5, Energy +5, Wilderness Survivial +1 (20%), Half Skill Recharge Wilderness Survival (20%)

BM:
Zealous Throwing Axe (shortbow range):
Damage 11-22 (req9), Energy Gain +1/-1

Offhand Focus of Beastmastery:
Energy +6 (req9), Beast Mastery +1 (20%)

To those of us who have actually read the thread: The above is what we're thinking, yay or nay?

yay

a staff wouldnt look that great for a ranger how about

Zealous Walking Stick of Wilderness Survival
Earth Dmg 10-20 (req 8 Wilderness Suvival)
Inscription: "Knowing is Half the Battle"
Armor +5 (while casting)
Energy gain on hit: 1
Energy regeneration: -1
+1 Wilderness Survival (20%chance while using skills)

Range: this weapon has half the normal range
Attack Interval: 1.75
Arc Size: small
Projectile Flight Time: .4 seconds

and for Beast Mastery
Barbed Whip of Fortitude
Slashing Dmg 8-22 (req 11 Beast Mastery)
Inscription: "To the Pain!"
Damage +15%
Armor -10 (while attacking)
Lengthens Bleeding duration on foes by 33%
Health +30

Range: this weapon has half the normal range
Attack Interval: 1.33

Dougal Kronik

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17 May 2007 at 11:00 - 261

Thought again that this would be a great idea.

cmdratz

Ascalonian Squire

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R/Mo

19 May 2007 at 21:49 - 262

Hmm. What if you had something for beast mastery in your weapon slot that did not do any extra damage yet made your animal smarter at a selectable certain thing, or more responsive to your communication (predefinable via insciption, e.g., attack healer first, or attack those on the verge of death first, or quickening bond for near realtime following of your attack commands)? Maybe some hybrid of the two? Higher beast mastery with the thing equipped would make the change it effects and/or governs more pronounced. Or should there be an item that just lets you hero-ize your pet, with the effectiveness of the extra controls determined by the level of your beast mastery attribute?
Perhaps it should be simpler instead. What about something that goes into your weapon slot that increases in effectiveness with a raise in your beast mastery attribute that adds abilities (perhaps up to 3?) to your pet via modification upgrades (similar to a bow string, grip, inscription etc.) to it, like a +% chance to dodge ranged (it would be nice if the pet actually moved out of the way to some degree on the screen for these) and/or melee attacks, a +% chance to block attacks, a +% chance to counter-attack for additional damage, and/or a +% chance to interrupt an enemy skill or spell, etc.?

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

19 May 2007 at 22:19 - 263

Since we r speaking bout rangerz, i have a question... why the hell we can't see a string in the bows? Bows are ranger's only weapons, and none of em has a visible string...why?

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

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Only Us[NotU]

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20 May 2007 at 04:26 - 264

My R/Mo Beastmaster uses a low requirement, non-max smiting staff. All the extra points that didn't fit into BM, WS, and Expertise, were just enough to meet the staff's requirements. My Stalker is my main weapon, my staff calls the target.

creelie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Alberta

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Mo/

20 May 2007 at 05:42 - 265

Staves for Beast Mastery and Wilderness Survival would be nice - trappers and pet wranglers have little use for bows.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

20 May 2007 at 05:53 - 266

How does this keep getting pulled out of the depths that are the Sardelac Sanitarium forum?

Seriously though, with the new Pet Control Panel, I don't see a real need for beast mastery linked weapons. And Wilderness Survival is only truly useful when combined with bow attacks, meaning you should have some marksmanship, unless you're trapping, in which case you don't need a weapon for damage dealing.

Eroth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

ummm no

Modified Soul Society [SOUL]

A/R

20 May 2007 at 16:54 - 267

/signed...a lot

For expertise instead of regular daggers lets have some throwing knives or something. So we still shoot ppl with stuff and we still have an expertise-based wep. It'd be spear range stuff.

for wild surv. I say we go ahead with either a staff or a pack of supplies or something...lolz scissors.

and for Beast I say either a whip or something the like that hits at half-range (of a spell [skill]Ice Spear[/skill]) distance.