The Haves and the Have Nots...

In the earlier days of the game I made a lot of gold very very quickly. I had decided to get necro fow and it wouldn't have put much of a dent in my savings, after seeing loads of necros in FoW armour I decided not to. I then went on a spending spree 15>50 murssat hammer, req 7 gold weapons, multiple 15k armour sets on all my characters, just bought the mods I wanted at the first price a seller told me.

Soon I was down to 75k

Nowadays I generally use green/collectors items. I really wanted a ghials staff for my necro, so I got a 20/20 collectors staff and bought a non max staff with a 20% death wrapping for 3k and managed the salvage, same with curses and such. They all do the same job.

Now I've just reached 1 million gold again buy a little farming, selling the decent chest drops that occur on missions, and just being very cagey with my gold. I'm doing this so if a great item comes along that I really really want I can pay out for it (yes collectors do the job but it's nice to have that stonking gold item).

To those that can't seem to raise gold, here's a few pointers, some have already been mentioned.

Never end a mission/quest with empty spaces in your pack, pick up everything.

Don't be afraid to attempt to salvage a decent mod from a crap weapon.

ID everything, yes the kits cost gold (unless you use the tokens in factions) but the price increases on precious items make up for it, and salvage those highly salvagable items with expert kit.

Replay missions, either help a guildie out or help a Pug. Some missions just seem to give more than others.

Most importantly don't impulse buy. Real easy to do, don't feel pressured into buying that +30hp mod because the seller wants to sell, it won't be the last one of those on sale and you might get a better price.

ha you think exactly like I do in games apoc.. you gotta admit though the quality of the average player in gw has gone to the dogs

I used to need a 8 req awhile back when I was smite farming with balth aura on my warrior- used to solo farm inside sorrows like that.. nowdays with the aoe scatter the req really does'nt matter for a warrior- there's a better farmer in the rit compared to warrior anyway

far as this thread goes.. I have tons- I mean tons of gold 15>50- stance and enchanted weapons, rare skins.. even have a 15% ffs I got at the collector pre-nerf when noone even knew was a ffs was.. for that money sink of a warrior all legit all modded for different builds- been playing since the game came out when making 100k was easy.. farming and buying/selling is how you do it

I can spot an ebay monkey a mile away when I'm trading- that's the key in making a super sale.. no reason to be impressed with what someone has until you see them whip some ass in pvp or solo farm areas noone thinks is possible (elite missions, all of rheas crater, level 24 mesmers lol- heck I even made a build that can solo every boss in the game)

money gets easier to make when you've uncovered the whole map- advice for new players is don't worry about skills or anything but uncovering the whole map and access to all towns- you'll come across spots that can become a farming goldmine.. like when the last batch of greens came out- I solo farmed those ungues of the oni daggers and made 700k by that sunday selling them 40-50k when they were new.. look at the demand in lions and keineng

and his most redeeming quality is that he is so humble not to say modest as well

I know exactly what you are saying. I just got my FoW armor yesterday in fulfilling one of my guild wars goal. So I finally decided to start working on my titles, starting with Protector of Tyria, by doing the bonuses i missed b4. I started with Bloodstone Fen, and while i was there LFG to do bonus, this dude called me a noob outta nowhere and said i bought cash from ebay. I didnt expect others to view me as a better player or anything just cuz I have FoW on, but it was just not right to view someone with FoW as a n00b who just ebayed the golds. I was so f'king pissed. This is the conversation we had.

Lol nice comback sunj3h3, too bad sarcasm isn't transfered in online games

After a month and a half of farming Trolls and duoing UW with my Necro I easily have money etc to buy the remaining ectos and shards I need to buy one set of FoW for either my Necro or my Ranger.

However, it is people like that who assume that everyone with FoW must have bought the money off ebay that are making me wonder if I really should get it now. It has been on my list of "wants" for my Ranger for ages, but now I actually have the money, do I really need the insults?

If I bought it for my Ranger though, his Grandmaster Cartographer (Tyria), Grand Master Cartographer (Cantha), Protector of Cantha and Protector of Tyria titles should be sufficient to shut up them up, but then again they will probably just accuse me of buying the whole account from ebay. You can't win! LOL

Ive had multiple sets of fow armor for months and noone has called me an ebayer because of them. Once I was called an ebayer for spamming WTB: 30 Ectos in toa lol.

i dont like ppl with FoW armor when they think others should respect them or worship them cuz they have FoW armor.
but someone who insulte ppl cuz they have FoW armor, LOL i dont know what to say. they r just jealouse or something.

and when u see someone standing in HA spamming: mending warrior with FoW armor LFP.
honestly, where u think he got 1 million gold from?

Well that's true, I hate when people whine, I've been playing 16 months myself and all my original 8 characters (over 2 accounts) have one or 2 sets of 15k armor plus usually a set of 1.5k. But I have to disagree on one point capitalist made.

I don't know of any newer players that think having greens is inferior. I joined a guild recently to help them out and one of the officers that invited me said, talking to the leader, "It made me feel like a total noob when he told me he had 15k armor and green weapons on almost all his characters."

I for one like greens, especially those with Unique skins. (Tanzit's Defender is a favorite of mine and especially good against afflicted whos rangers like to use throw dirt and only hench monks will usually remove it.) And why spend tons for a gold when you can get the same stats on a green? Only gold I'm thinking of spending money on is a Jade sword.

People worry too much about status in my opinion... that's why there's so many people who dye their armor black even if it doesn't look that good. I wish they hadn't made the dyes variable price myself, then there would be a far greater variety of colors around instead of boring old black on almost every set of 15k armor you see... I like to expirament with different mixes, found recently that blue and green mixed makes an awsome Acid green on my new Necro's armor, Purple and red makes Magenta on my Mesmer and silver and blue makes Sky Blue on my Air/Water Ele.

As for FOW armor, if you're willing to spend the money on E-Bay, or spend the time necessary to make the money farming or running then horray for you... just don't think it means much especially if you E-bay it. and people that advertise they have FOW armor when LFGing, that's just an annoying way of bragging, it doesn't make you better than anyone else, but if you actually made the money for it... it may mean you have no life.

funny, i had fow armor on my monk before uw soloing became so prevalent and i never got accused ebaying for it. i dyed mine a gorgeous sapphire blue though.

i think the ebay accusation thing may be more commonly directed at black fow wearing male warriors? there's a certain stereotype for better or worse about male warrior players. especially when you see them wearing black fow. It could be just that there are so many male warriors that even though the percentage of them wearing fow isn't that high, the sheer number of them is.. and of course with a larger number of players, the more likely you'll meet a bad fow wearing warrior.. thus progating the "fow male warrior must have ebayed his armor" sort of thing

lol those accusations of fow armors piss me off like the most. Often, new players would state that. Maybe I'm wrong but...are people just jealous of what? What I believe they are trying to say is " How did you get that money?"


Anyways, heres a very short conversation with a player I met.

Some guy: LOLOLOL nice job with that e-baying you newb.

Me: I make 90k+ everyday of solo runs, farming each day for 2 1/2 hours. There are 7 days a week. How many days does it take to reach fow armor range?

( this was a while ago when there were certain farming spots which were very profitable, and he completely shutted up. =P )

Im not a have or have not, im an earned.

man I worked 2 months so hard to get fow on my warrior and now everywhere i go is "ebay noob" "ebay this" "ebay that"...

>< imagine how we feel....

i feel for u guys like me that earned theres, yes ill admit i was of the very first 55 monks. since i did mostly snakes dance and dreadnaughts drift with my monky, little faster than UW it used to be. but my monk is the only one with FoW and its still set for 55ing. and all my other chars have the 15k's cause of her. its not like its hard when u can get 3k in less than 5 mins. farming, or as i call fishing for the goodies as lots of ppl think farming is a bad word.

I'm a Have-Not and I'm bitter!

well, i was a have not then i decided i wanted to have then i got. lol, there was some other post about the increase in fow armor (and how that was obviuosly due to ebay and not that people finally have enough mats to go make it).

it doesn't take a whole lot of skill, just decide what you want and go get it.

whoa there chief. i tell you what: irl the poor generally "work harder" than the rich. holding 2 jobs and going to school while trying to buy diapers is wicked harder than going on holiday to spain with daddy's old money. as we have also seen, there's people that will tell you they can't make 15k in a month of 3-hour-a-day play sessions.

that guy needs to message me in-game so we can hook that brother up but that's unrelated to my reaction to that weird puritanical 'poor folk just don't work hard' comment.


edit: oh, and i've only gotten, "nice armor!" comments from people btw. it's cuz my ranger brothers and sisters got love, man. they got love.
gw has a very regulated "free" trade as well as a boatload of bartering and the good-old-fashioned "kill him and take his stuff" economy. there is little to no inherent benefit from wealth (if you've played wow, you know that it's all about the gear). idk why people get all fussy about this crap, i got fow armor on my ranger because...RANGER ARMOR LOOKS FRIGGIN STUPID. at least with factions they're providing more options but the original stuff was rediculous. i saw the fow screeshots and decided that was the way to go. i hopped on my solo monk (back when protective bond was the thing) and went nuts. that is why i have fow armor on that guy. oh, why am i bothering.

yall have a great day/night and have fun playing nf when it comes out. i set a goal to get up to 120k in case the 15k armor looks awesome and will get there by:

1. farming. i don't like selling/buying and haven't hooked up with a friend who does so i stopped farming the same greens, don't chest run (except to find good crap for my characters), and either salvage upgrades off looted items (or give them to a character that can use them). i do about 15 minutes of elona farming a day on my rt/me (for a quick 3k and generally over half a stack of leather for nightfall...could be sold to the mat trader i spose too). still run 5man sf on my necro though.

2. drops from doing missions with friends. i have a number of friends who play this game in a very casual manner. always opportunities to run through those tired old tyrian missions.

3. materials i have saved. if i need to, i'm sure i have over 100k in mats. i'm all about hoarding those and have 2 storage accounts that were bustling before the mat storage came out. adds up if you're not paying attention.

4. EBAY! jk

but this thread has enough posts to be officially "beaten to death" so i'm going to bail.

Mate.. Elona farming is useless ><
Surrows Furnace is dead

Materials are good and EBAY FTW . lol

Bump.

Look, lets be realistic here, there are people who buy gold or items on eBay. We know this because there are people selling gold and items on eBay successfully. From that, however, you cannot infer that everyone who has FoW armor is an eBay'er.

I dont care if someone is wearing FoW armor or plain Droks (or its Canthan equivalent), the only measure that counts is whether they can play the game.

a well needed bump, the original post is something that the new generation of whiners that spawned recently really has to read and think about.

I rea;;y don't care for golds I like me greens, like popeye would say

Hmmm.... I am a new player (got GW for 2 months now) and I don't get the whining either.

I very enthousiasticly started creating enough characters to fill my empty slots, played with all of them a bit, deleted, recreated, and generally mucked about. It helped me get a bit of a feel for the game, and for which classes suit me or not.
I have 5 characters now, 3 of which have reached a point where I bought them max stat armor. Another one had that as well, but got deleted
That is just the 1.5K armor from Kaining centre. Crafting materials haven't been a problem, I either have them, buy them, or get some donated by a guildie. But then again, i've given materials to other guildies in return. Money isn't a problem in this game, you can get max armor and weapons quite easily and cheaply, if anything from the collectors.

I don't think the problem is noobs, the problem is the way kids are raised nowadays. They want everything maxed out, and everything now. Both in real life and in game. they want to be run up to Drok's Forge at level 3, they want money to buy 15K or FOW and the leetest greens, and they want others to supply it. If not, they'll use daddy's credit card to buy it.
Not all kids are like that, but as a mum looking at my kids friends, a lot are.

And maybe that's why I don't care so much. Don't get me wrong, I like nice looking armor as much as the next girl, but FOW doesn't even look that great. It is just a status symbol, and I don't care much for those.
As a mum I've learned to budget, learned that a sweater bought at Primarks keeps me warm just as much as one bought at GAP, and can look just as nice
the game is the same.

I think this game is great for beginners, you can quite easily reach the max level, get max armor and max weapons even if you are a casual player. And if you invest more time in the game, you can look forward to armor that costs more, items that are rare and so on. but it isn't too hard to catch up with friends who have been playing longer then you, because your level, armor level and weapon specs will be the same as theirs, even if they look slightly different

New players should realise this, be happy that they get at the same level (gear and level wise, not gameplay experienced wise) as older players so easily and that they still have a lot to look forward to at the same time. Buy 1.5 K armor now, it does just as well, and get 15K or FOW over time once you can afford it.

I actually got refused entry into a group because of my fow armor. I was told to qoute "go f**K off with your noob armor". He then started spamming. Dont let the ebayer into your group. I can't beleive I farmed all that ecto and shards just to get stereotyped and refused entry into a pug.

I too am one of the "have nots", but thats because I see no reason whatsoever for FoW armor, or "perfect" items. I have some that are near perfect, and theyre fine. If I happen to come across something better, Ill use that, but I dont go farming(too tedious). I dont even go after certain item, I just go out on a mission or just travel from one place to another, and if I happen to get something I like, so be it. I damn sure aint paying these(in my opinion)ridiculously high price for what seems to be mostly cosmetics.

I've watched online for a short time compared to lots of you. I watch people join our guild / alliance. I've seen them post that they'll just DIE if they don't get the coolest armor. When they get it, they have to scream it from the rooftops. Then, they have it. The chase is over.

Based on the amount of time these people put into the game (I'm online quite a bit), there is no way they could farm enough money to afford the items they have. They want it, they get it. What I hate is the attitude of the one who brags about how hard s/he worked to get there, and on and on. Suddenly the person is a know it all pro.

The most I've spent on armor is from Droks or House Zu Heltzer. If I get a dye drop, I may use it if I'm bored. The only thing I truly care about are the stats.

Every time one of the "want-it-now's" meets their contact from eBay for their gold, item, etc., there's a good chance they're being hacked. I hear screaming the next day that all their (insert item here) is gone.

Few of us are above some kind of spending urge, eBay'ing, paying for runs, etc. Just don't run around telling me you earned it when you can't explain your build, or the past missions. The game is actually fun to play on it's own. I'm certainly not the paragon of virtue, just don't like the blow hards who really feel they've accomplished something because they BOUGHT something.

All in good fun.

Greed makes the world go around.

Greed, ambition, same diff

The n00bs, such as myself, aren't the problem. Its the people who go out of their way to flaunt their wealth. Sure if they worked for what they have then they should be proud but calling someone a n00b because they don't have max this or max that is insulting and disheartening. Why make fun of someone who isn't as far in the game as you and obviously doesn't have as much experience? I could sort of understand it in PvP but in PvE? PvE isn't a competition. Its supposed to be a fun adventure, not a forum for braggarts to rag on people. I work hard for what little I have(I'm close to completing my MM armor from Kaineng!!) and I think as long as you're happy with what you have then you're ok. I've always wondered what the point is in playing the game if you're just going to get stuff off of eBay. You suck at life if you're that lazy.

Could care less that somebody else has 100k+ coins and fancy colored armor and I don't...

If by playing the game fully I can get the things I need to successfully play the game, I'm good to go.

But I do care that this situation creates a demand in places like ebay that in turn fuels the presence of bots and farming in the game... The bots and the farming and the trade spam that results create an anti-social environment in the game - and that I do care about.

I usually cause some ruckuss when someone brags about there 15k armor and all i say about it is that its a waste of money.

Some of them actually thinks that having fancy armor makes them a mighty warrior,its pathetic realy.

But i do love it when i can smash there 15k perfect weapon heap of pixels into the ground with my kaineng armor and candy cane axe/shield.

Killed by candy..that just has to hurt ones ego.

There is a difference. Martin Luther King Jr. had ambition. Ken Leigh had greed.

Both can get you killed

I'v only played for about 6 months, but even i understand that it takes time to earn money.Plus Arena net is making it easier cause of the new salvage options so you can just make you own perfect weapon from what you farm,buy,ect.

I would like to point out that if you play your cards right that your fortunes can change quickly. I purposely went through NF quickly and got a very attractively-modded green after the final boss so that I could make a bit of cash off of it. Turns out a bit is 100k + ectos. The scythe looked like a chicken leg too.

It only takes time to get money if you don't know how.

LoL, I don't want to get into a philosophical discussion, but that's not what I meant. Martin Luther King had a dream, not ambition, he didn't care how well he did personally, but rather the people he represented. Ken Lay had greed (and ambition), which landed him square in prison.

Here's the definition of "ambition" from dictionary.com:

Note that the achievement it's talking about is personal, something to advance one's own agendas, nothing altruistic about that.

True dat! Well, only if you get too greedy with your ambitions

I would severely regret not having enjoyed the expansion to its fullest though so i wont be doing that.

Now I'm doing just that, but 250k richer.

@Milias

You should know better than to bring logic, reasoning, or, dare I say, rationality to Guru... the universe might explode.

Hey, how is it going. I'll be on guild wars soon so i need to learn how this web page works.