Characters looking different :/

This is just going from bad to worse.

if you line up the mouths in something like photoshop, the lips are the exact same size. The eyes are the result of the new lighting. I have the same face on my warrior and when it is anywhere other than the character select screen it looks just like the old one.

I might as well jump on the band-wagon with some issues as well. Now, these things aren't new, but while the art team is working their hardest to make changes, this is totally one that needs updating.



I don't care too much about the cape, and that arm issue only pops up if I'm using the emote 'Attention'. It's the mohawk I'm more concerned about. We have the little assassin girls, and the canthan necro chicks with their fully enclosed pony tails. I don't think it's too much to beg that my poor freak's pink mohawk becomes an actually poly.

But, seeing as though my game runs fine I can't exactly complain.

Oh, and some of you who are complaining about your character's faces are completely insane. Though, I guess I can't relate as I strive to make my character's creepy and ugly. It's easier to do then some perfect faced femme fatale. Also being said, I don't play Guild Wars to have my polygons hit on, so I tried to make my character convey that sense. :P

No, the mouth and chin got fixed I think.

The problem now is eye colour (grey instead of blue), eye liner, skin tone.

What used to look like healthy skin with gradations of shading is now, uniformly, some kind of plastic monotone. It makes the characters look like shop mannequins with painted on skin, rather than living, breathing people.

By the way Ombrepierre, I agree with you, your Warrior on the right looks like a completely different character. The main difference is the skin tone, like with all the others. And, like the others, your blue eyes have gone grey.

Oh and please will people stop saying this is just down to different lighting on the login screen? We have looked in game before posting, you know!

The shine in the eye is gone, she looks so dull, her face is slimmer than before. god I hope they fix the eyes!

Observation: So if your character you've been playing for ages suddenly looked like sh*t (sorry best word to describe it) you'd be happy then would you?.

BTW If you've got a male char, you'd better check it's head's still attached to it's neck and you havent got a hole in the back or top of your head

Im seeing similar things on my mes too.. particularly by the mouth...my ele still looks ok

lol wow talk about rubbing salt in the wound not only did they force me to farm for new FoW boots, taking forever to fix my proberlem with the 15 attribute quest but now they've made my character pull a jaws face off of James bond Swines that they are!

I don't know how to put the screens to show but I do know how to attach them just looking at them you can see the big diffrence from kick ass warrior to Warrior trying to do a Jaws impression.

I know arena net are a new company and all and I understand they are trying to improve the game but changing characters faces when people are already happy with them is such a big risk to make, as people like me who hate wearing helms and wear FoW are now well a truly screwed over. I don't know how there system works or what programmes they are using but if they could keep the faces the way they were but make them sharper then that would be great...chances of that happening is the day they decide to fix the 15 attruibute quest

I must say tho what must of gone threw there heads "great Idea guys...How about we change everyones faces! we say on the site it'll improve but really we just make em look stupid come on it'll be hilarous! they'll log on think great new improvements then Surprise!"

I wouldn't mind knowning which games Arena net actually did when they were working for blizzard.

im sorry if you see this as a rant but when you have spend loads of time making your character perfect them one at a time the game company decides to ruin it stat wise and now looks it's not exactly making me think I should spend loads of time play this game. Of course the PVP people aren't effected as they can just delete their characters and just change it with no hassle, but for PVE if im not happy I gotta spend anouther few months changing her looks. -sigh-

I've even tried to make a decent looking warrior by using my extra PVP slot but alas they all look stupid now.

Times like this im glad I can pay for World of warcraft.

EDIT:

Just read the rest of the Thread and I must say that mine are bad and I want them to change it back to the way she was but some are really bad, also i've notied that the cantha ones look great.

To be honest Gaile I really don't understand why lip sinking is going to make me think wow I really like my character now I want to spend more time on this...

it seems to me that your trying to do something nice and fancy but really just reading this thread if getting rid of lip sinc will return their characters then so be it...infact to please both parties why not ditch lip sync and instead put an option to have the look we have now or the one before?
Course this won't happen makes to much sense -_-

This is really frustrating from being a really good game and thinking well of it from thinking its downhill, your staff worked for such a good company as Blizzard yet you do stupid things like this.

I will keep my warrior just incase you do change it back which you say you won't and if thats the case then i'll stay with a company that actually wants me to enjoy their game that to put silly little tweaks in it like lip syncing which more than likely have bugs in it anyway.

I hate moan but seriously this called for all the other guys trying to be cool saying "it doesn't matter" well im sorry but it does matter I made my characters to look how I wanted not what YOU wanted if you want your character to look like Jaws from james bond thats up to you.

In the game, my character is the same... It's not only at the select screen, look at that :



Because the new border's eyeline fo the last update, the appearance of my warrior is radically changed!
I hate the new model model.
Please, Arena, remove the make-up under the eyes!
And return my former lips!
The warrior girl was perfect before!

I think anet or Galie said that that 'make-up' under the eyes is just a shadow made by something of the new poly-thingy. Still, it has to be reduced at least.

the faces have always had there mouths slightly opened. The warrior, the ritualist, the elemental-> their mouths were always slightly opened...

i think most ppl are jumping on the bandwagon here, and finding the harshest lighting possible...

I feel bad for the Anet team reading this crap, a lot of these comments are a little over the top.


I definately noticed to texture upgrades, and I really like how its turning out. A lot of you people need to chill out with your zomg i delete now crap because its really immature. They update the game all the time, and when there is a problem, they fix it.

Actually, what am I talking about- If you have been one of these ppl I hope you do delete the character. Then when they fix it you can sit there smacking your head Doh repeatedly.

If I was one of the ANet artists, I know Id be workin REAL hard to fix something for someone who doesnt appreciate it. /sarcasm

I read Gaile well *smile*
And I hope that the team will manage to remove this "ZOMBI EYES" effect.

Because I'm so dissappointed that I do not want any more to play this game, or the next Nightfall... I was too attached to my character *cry*
It's no more my lovely character!


PS for Horseman : it's our character. We play with him since a lot of time. I create it with an appearance, because I found it marvellous. Nobody can affect the appearance of my character without my agreement.
ANet Artists work hard, okay.
But the result can be a failure...
Like for my warrior girl.

Nothing really changed on my mesmer character, but there's still 2 things that annoy me:

First this small square of light on the top of her head:


And this graphical bug with the kurzick 15k armor:

The only majorish changes I notice in my crew is:

My necro's face isn't quite as waifish and...wistful as it was but still acceptable (don't like the scary nec faces. Hers goes with her backstory better)

Ranger and warrior's faces are a little wider in the jaw, i.e. not quite as triangular and a good thing. Can see a hint of teeth (warrior).

Mesmer's lower lip looks like a bee stung her but good! It's too much.

Monk (male) seems a bit less boyish looking.

Not a noticeable difference in my ele or rit, though.

Obviously they are well aware the problem.

A lot of these posts are unnecessarily cruel.

You people need to calm down.

And since ANet owns your character they can do whatever they want.

People act like there is nothing more important in the world... and thats a completely separate issue than just some transitionary textures.

my monk's now got this runny-mascera effect under some lighting conditions.

my warrior's got faint dark triangles (looks like shadows, actually) on both sides of her nose.

aside from that, my monk now looks better than ever, and my ranger still looks the same. my assassin is pretty damn ugly to begin with, so there's no problem there.

yes well theres a diffrence between appreciating someone doing something for you and some one changing something that you didn't want to be changed.

it's like finding a painting you think looks really nice then the artist taking it away and saying "you can't have this one, i've made this one look better" and even though you disagree with his opioion (can't spell) you have no say in the matter however as the one you had before has now been destoryied, would you buy more paintings from this guy? no course you wouldn't.

Also Gaile told us that the Artists are chaging some of them which will proberly be the duck looking ones but the ones doing the Jaws expressions will not, so yes deleting the duck ones is a tad OTT at the moment but it is still frustrating for those players.

And I dought that their attidue is "oh yeah well we own your characters so there = P" as they will first be given the finger by many players and then Guild wars will be on the Sold out bucket bin.

There was no need for this change others I can understand but changing my characters look for a stupid Lip sync is bad excuse. it's like "Arena net can't you just ditch lip sync and have an option to have my old look back?" "What? don't you know how to run a buissnes? if we take out lip sync millions of people will be upset and they may even not buy our other chapters."

don't worry though I hear the next update for chapter 4 will be eyebrow expressions in cut scenes so who knows some character may have unibrows
-_-

Anyone else notice their characters "new teeth" moving about in their mouth like KITT's Front Sensor thing from Knight Rider

I dread to think what the lip sync will be like for my Female Necro with revolving teeth thrown into the mix as well....

I agree entirely with your last message, Tien ak
I have the feeling to have been victim of an intrusion in my private life...

I kinda miss the slight smile on my Necro before the update fix (9/15).

hehe, no I meant Giving the players the ablility to change the characters looks via an interface or NPC or something. With the new looks those that do not like the new looks should be able to change "faces" and "hair" to something they do like.
Now that some characters no longer look like they used to when the players made them, Anet should finally release this mythical "stylist" and allow the players to self-"fix" and adjust their characters. Some of these characters are not exactly PvP only characters that can be re-rolled instantly with titles, amount of exp and armor in a five minute time frame. Some are over a year old with millions of exp (my ranger for example has 3 million exp, both protector titles and more - I would be ticked if she were suddenly ugly -hehe).

Seems like the female characters got hit the hardest. Especially the female eles with the milk mustache look

so your guoing to coplain about such a slight change when 1 you wont be looking at your characters face while playing and 2 wouldnt be up that close.

seriously, its not like they gave you a totally new face, they just made it functional. The new face actualy looks better as teh old one doesnt even have the shape of a real human head.

"oh no anets the devil for changing my face for the better, why couldnt i keep the old horrible one"

Im sure you would also complain if your character had the old face yet looked retarded in cutscenes when its mouth moved.

- Yes I have noticed some little changes in all of my characters, but I can live with them, the only things that really bother me are the items that blend/fuse with the armour and, with my mesmer, her hands disappearing/passing through her dress when she sits.
See my pics.

After looking through this thread I only see some minor changes for examplemost female char now have a little mascara around the eyes. However some changes in the update were terrible the ranger and mesmer are an example of this. ( ROFL at the ranger who looked like the beast) . So I thought why not Anet just setup a hairstylist/makeup Npc in GW so if we dont like the update to the face we can just change it.

You're wrong, I look at my character's face very often. Because :

1. I like to take a lot of screenshots during my adventures
2. I'm a roleplayer, and I spend a lot of time to talk with the rp community, trying to be at my best face *smile* Yes, it's very important. Really.
3. It's (it was, now, maybe ? GAILE!!! Please, help me!) a very beautiful warrior girl

15/9:


still no complaints from me

I've said this once before, and I'm going to say it again, even though nobody will listen any more than the first time...

When it comes to opinions on this subject, the person that's been playing the character for the last week, or month, or year, is always right, and everyone else is always wrong. Period.

People pick faces for a REASON, and a lot of them actually CARE about the details. If their reason happens to be ruined by 1mm more eyeliner on the bottom eyelid, then so be it. It's ruined. They now don't have what they originally picked, and invested time in, and all the nasty comments in the world isn't going to change their opinion. Sympathize with the person, or spare us the pain of listening to you.

By the way, Ombrepierre, I, for one, see what you're talking about, especially with the eyes. My condolences.

Anet has my condolences, too. This is a necessary, but insanely difficult task. Better you guys than me! ^_^

It won't happen, but I'd think the perfect solution would be to be able to toggle facial animation on and off in the graphic settings, and if you turn it off, you see the lower-poly, unanimated, original heads. A solution where everyone is happy is always the best solution. ^_^

Yes, some people are being nasty and disrespectful towards the people who provided the game in the first place (as I've said before, it's very hard for me to tell what's offensive and what's not at times, but some of these stand right out) and could just as easily take it away, but some of these concerns are justified, and some have been issues for a long time. Try and remember that. This is an extreme example, but if your chracter suddenly had toes on his forehead, and you had to deal with it for months, can you honestly say you wouldn't be a bit peeved at ANet for not correcting it?

I'm not condoning obnoxious behavior, but I'm also not condoning ass-kissing.

I know, all the makeup... I would think wearing makeup into battle would be a bad thing. With all the sweat it would get real messy, real fast. A lot of female chars look like RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs, now. This isn't Lineage!

For my female chars I deliberatly chose faces with little or no apparent makeup. Why would a monk use makeup? How intimidating is a warrior wearing mascara and eyeshadow?

Yes, there will be. It simply isn't possible to have ANet make all the faces back to the way they were, and some people will be upset about it. They'll do what they can, but some of these changes are neccesary for facial animation. I'm sure they'll try to satisfy as many as possible, though!

i dont think you realize the attatchment people get to their characters, people make them the way they want in the first place and grow attatched to it, and to change the most important feature of a character, i mean cant u understand why some people are upset and pissed?.... i kno i am and thousands of other people



also i noticed the last update (dontknow if any other female ele's have noticed) the white line inbetween the lips that moves heres the most recent pic of my ele, you can't notice the line in the pic however cuz it moves around inbetween the lip, you can notice the lips are all pixilated on the top tho.

I've always had this hair problem.



Obviously the black outlines are the problem. I got the latest ATI drivers and tried different settings with post processing, AA, V-sync and detail settings.

There are some other examples so it's not just my character model.

BTW I'm running @1280x1024 w/ everything maxed (post processing disabled)

Anet should definatly consider that option, i think its a great idea,

+1
Yes, it's a great idea for all the community!

id say the milk mustache was more noticeable in the before picture^


You guys remember when you hair got changed for like 4 days? They fixed that, didnt they?

Ive used the infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters analogy before. It doesnt matter how much the (less than 1000 im sure- probably more like 100 all around) testers test these things- until it hits the masses there is nothing to be sure of (half a million people will find some flaws a hell of a lot quicker in less time)

My mesmer's face looks like he's lost about 10 pounds- and from some angles the cheekbones stick out oddly- but unless im actually staring at it, all I really notice is a much smoother texture (actually I think I gained some FPS this weekend)

I run everything at max- shaders, textures, anti-aliasing, the whole bit.

The most noticeable one was my necromancerk, but like the guy back in the beginning of the thread said, its definately a step up on the old classic rot-faced necro male.

To the distressed....
Im not saying im glad your characters look wierd, what im saying is you need to forget about it for a few days- it is the weekend after all... you guys never take a day off?

Wow, that's quite a wordfilter! A bit exccesive, I think, wouldn't it save miniscule amounts of bandwidth and be considerably less hideous if something shorter was used? Well, at least I know what it means when I see that now, though I'm still curious about its origins.

In other news: my mesmer still appears to have been in some sort of unfortunate accident involving fire and the area under his ears and behind his chin. Like he fell asleep on a grill or something. This seems to be a problem for most, if not all male mesmer faces. It's not affected by lighting. I'm curious what the folks at ANet were trying to do that caused this to happen, but I'd be satisfied with just seeing it fixed.

Not posting screenshots yet, as several showing this have already come up.

Thank you. I appreciate that you posted, because I do agree with some of the posters here, that a few members are going far, far over the top. I also agree that some are twisting and turning and finding the worse possible lighting to try to capture the "horrible" changes that they feel they see, which are in fact changes so minute as to be nearly undetectable.

About Eyes: Character eyes were not touched. No redrawn eyeliner. No accentuated features. Nothing at all. What was changed was a bug, a glitch, an error, that had lighting placed differently (incorrectly) below the eyes. So the eyes were always designed with the "eyeliner" that some of you have noted. With the corrections, the eyes are now more balanced between upper and lower lid; they have a full eyelid instead of a faded area near the bottom lid. So the new look to the eyes is not an error, this is the correction of an error. Obviously, we won't roll back to "readopt an error" in order to address personal preference. (If you look carefully at the "before" shots, there's a disturbing discordance in the colouration above and below the eye. There's a fuzziness and a blurring, even a lacking of certain art elements near the bottom lid. And that is what has been fixed.)

About Mouths: In order to assure that the mouths can "speak," some have been given a slight opening between upper and lower lip. In many cases, it's not changed at all, in some cases the changes is very tiny, and in a few, it's probably more noticeable. This was not an alteration for alteration's sake, but was made to enable a feature that, again, has been asked for since release. (Yes, I acknowledge that you personally may not have asked for it; I understand that you may wish to retain the older face and forego speech, but I'm sorry, that is not an option.)

I do understand a few of the concerns here, certainly. I'm utterly baffled by others. With all due respect, you are accustomed to seeing your characters with a certain look, and in many cases, that look formerly contained a minor flaw. I'm delighted with the changes to my warriors's face, the same changes that another player bemoans. One may be happy; another unhappy. We understand that it is your right to be dissatisfied. But again we won't be able to address those individual issues of personal dissatisfaction by reverting to a flawed system, nor will we have art team members taking time away from the upcoming game to work on minute issues of such a variable nature. Except in cases of error -- not matters of "I want the old one" or "Give me a face-changer so I can pick another," but actual error -- we players truly need to embrace these changes so that we can move on.

So please, a few suggestions:

• Post on faces here only. Use the other thread for graphical glitches such as armour clipping or gaps or other things you might wish to report.
• Post on facial errors, not preferences. If you find errors, show clear examples like Rhedd did. (First, take a look at assure it's not a trick of lighting in one angle only, please.)
• Consider the new lighting and take a few days to get accustomed to it. Yes, even on the log-in screen, the lighting has changed.
• Post once. There's no need to post again and again, honestly, as repeated posting does not reinforce the message, but rather dilutes it.

In all honesty, this thread should probably wind down about now, and I hope that it does except for reports of errors. I'm frankly feeling protective of the art team, of their time and of their feelings, when they've done great work in implementing a much-requested feature, working with several artistic challenges that would boggle the minds of us mere humans. And when they've pulled an all-nighter to make changes, and when many of us are still carefully monitoring the situation even this weekend, let's give the art team members time to do what they do so well in cases where they need to intercede, and gracefully accept the minor and necessary changes that have come through improvements and feature addition.

Edit to add: Using offensive language and making disgusting analogies is sure to see this thread locked, and is sure to cause ArenaNet to stop viewing this thread. I cannot believe what I'm reading.

I agree with Gaile...

Seriously, I don't see any problems with 75% of the screenies posted in here.

The cape thing isn't new, weapons have always stuck right through it...

I think the faces look more detailed and better on a whole..

My chars weren't heavily effected by the face change "epidemic." There were some minor differences, such as the shades near the corner lips of my Mesmer and Warrior, and the slight smile of my Necro (which I kinda miss). But I wasn't majorly bothered by it and barely notice them. Besides, I never pay attention to their faces while playing. I can only see the back of their heads.

After viewing the screenshots in this thread, some of the changes in the faces are hardly noticable. Some of the after pictures are the same as the before pictures even if there is a very very small difference. Not much of a big deal, nothing really to cry about.

But for the alter face appearances that are truly noticable, such as the ones that had like heavy masacra running, giant puffy lips, wolf face, and etc...yeah, those need fixing.