Is anyone else worried about the new salvage options?

ummm........everybody?

i dont care if 1000 other people are having fun with the exact same rare i have,

if i like something i like it .

isnt it more fun if the people around you are having fun rather than being green with envy?

just my own outlook so dont flame me too hard

I am thoroughly confused..Was it a mistake to sell the 2 clean req7 fellblades I have gotten from trolls? -.-

does anyone have proof that this has happened?
screenshots please

Well, at least low req crappy inherent attribute rares will sky rocket in price
If this is all they way we assume it will be.


Wtb!! Req 8-9 Gold Dwarven axes.. Serpent axes..Crystallines..(max damage)..dont care about attributes!!..paying very well!!!

How much of this is speculative and how much is genuine? Any links or quotes?

I read an article on the site about how Anet accept farming as enjoyable aspect of the game and that they respect peoples' right to farm and they want to protect the economy. These 'inscriptions' could potentially ruin that part of the game for some people.

Only warning: any more "rich traders vs common people" arguing crap and I will start warning and banning. I'm sick and tired of it taking over every thread about inscriptions and snuffing out any discussion.

Here is the direct information from PC Gamer November 2006 issue that has sparked this debate.

GW's armor, weapons, and salvaging systems have also been tweaked in some important ways. "Inscriptions" will take the place of inherent bonus modifiers for weapons and can be transferred between most weapons or sold for quick cash. The armor system will be simplified to allow you to replace individual components (say, a breastplate) instead of purchasing a new set. Nightfall will also help crafters by allowing them to select which component they would like to salvage from a weapon, with the extra bonus of not having the rest of the weapon disintegrate after the process is complete.

If you are intrested in pvp and all you do is farm for fun that tottaly wipes out guildwars once you have beating the game there will be no more need for it which is a downfall

I would read that as the inscription replaces weapon-specific pommels, hafts etc. so there would just be one type of prefix for all weapons and one type of suffix.
Also, can't you replace a breastplate on its own anyway?

wrong period.

it states *inherent bonuses* which up until now have been fixed when you get it having nothing to do with changable mods which are obviously *noninherent* as you can change them

the *inherent* bonuses stay the same no matter what changes you make in mods. (until now)

From my perspective, the collectors/weapons traders provide every weapon with all inherent mods people need. Players who don't care about rarity take a blue weapon and customize it. Players who fancy rarity, farm their *ss off for that one perfect item with a rare skin.

Creating a possibility to salvage all and specific, takes the fun out of weapon collecting.

Can Arenanet please explain to me why this option is necessary? (if the rumor is true ofcourse)

Well, that's just my opinion.
I thought the magazine may have screwed up one word; the rest of the text can be read as fitting this. The new inscriptions would be replacing the "old" mods; they would be transferrable where the "old" mods weren't; and they would indeed sell faster if they could be applied to any weapons.

Given how much controversy these new inscription mods seem to have raised as interpreted by everyone else, I thought a slightly less-controversial reading could be put to it.

If they make this change and weopons are worth nothing they will basically kill the long term playability for PVE'ers.

Those of you who have ever played Diablo 2 will have noticed people completed that short game tons of times and still kept on playing due to the item market.

Id be surprised if the developers(some who worked on diablo 2) would make such a stupid mistake.

Realistically i think they will have an option to salvage which mod you want but i doubt it will be inherit mods !, unless they want to destroy the economy.

Assuming it does turn out to be "choose which bit you want to salvage" this should in fact result in lower prices as the supply of mods will increase.

I think there was some article/discussion a while back where someone from Anet suggested the majority of accounts don't actually have more than maybe 20k (or somewhere around there I forget the exact figure).

The power traders can still trade in the rare skinned stuff, I mean end of the day that's what it mostly boils down to anyway just the skins since you can get mostly equivalent stat items for a fraction of the price (collectors/weaponsmiths)

This just makes it a bit more accessible to the casual player who typically will not have 100k+ to spend on stuff.


Edit: just to add that would seem to fit things better because the price of, for example, runes has taken a skydive with perhaps only one exception. Again, makes it more accessible to the casual player.

How is something that can only be a benefit for everyone possibly be a bad thing? This will drive down the market for the extremely overpriced mods we see nowadays, as well as give people to reason to hold onto those rare skin items they find which have crappy mods, which they can then mod in the future. Where exactly is the problem?

Although I've been collecting gold crystallines since starting GW, I'm really stoked about being to upgrade all of them to 15>50's I don't really care how much value they will lose long-term -- I just want one with max damage and 15>50 stats so that I can start using them as primary customized weapons.

Unless there is a special salvage kit needed then this is not enabled as I've used an expert on some random blues/purples to try and get the inherent bonus and gotten.....nothing but normal salvage crap.

No menu popped up to let me choose what to salvage.

VERY STUPID to not enable this feature for people to see how it works as this is a big sales feature.

for those of you who are thinking it woll drive the prices down it wont.

think of it this way. this is asumming everything is what was written in the article. say the base cost of a 15^50 mod would be 50k. that means any weapon no matter what the req will be a base value of 50k. even if its a nose picking sword of thumb wrestling req 13 with 15^50 mod. it will still be sold for 50k cause of the mod.

unless anet increases the number of 15^50 mods out there. and it will only compund more if you are able to remove all 3 mods from a weapon instead of even just one mod. and worse fact is the fact is that from what i understand we will have 100% chance to get the mods from weapons quarenteeing the prices. so lets continue the example of the sword. right now its at 50k then u add a +30 health (55k for sword) 20/20 sundering (45k) rough prices. but if u are guarenteed all three salvages. what do u really think that sword will go for. 50k+55k+45k=150k in my book. whether they are on a unrare white or a rare gold the base value will be 150k.

so how are u guys figuring that prices will drop. call me stupid if u want but i seriously doubt anyone will sell a guarentued chance to get the mod worth 50k for anything less.

With those prices what do u think is gonna happen. ill tell u the market will skyrocket everything with those kinds of mods.(sorry if my OP wasnt as thorough as that). now i was told how is that gonna increase the gold bots. well we alrdy see taht ebay prices have gone up.EBAY FTL. this will increase the amount of gold needed for items. thus increaseing the demand wheter anyone really wants to admit it of the ebayers. as they will need to have high amouts if if its just for only 1 weapon purchase. IE alot of new players will hate this game and old players will too. and that will end GW. and as i said there is only a very couple ways anet will be able to over come that. which i stated before.

yes its a great idea from an individuals point of view but from a collective wide view is a train wreck waiting to happen. and if u still dont think im right well ill buy all ur 15^50s weapons swords axes bows req 13 at 5k each req 12 at 6k each req 11 at 7k each. now i doubt any of u that thinks im wrong about this will take me up on it. i have close to 1 mill in storage of my accounts. so who will sell those to me. if u think prices are really gonna drop sell them to me and we'll post a confirmation of it here. basically im putting my 1 mill in storage im right. u guys up to it. thats as long as its as it was written to be as atats that the inherent or inscripitions mods will be salvageable. we really need like GG to get in on this and really clear this up.

im looking forward to these features. my req.7 brute sword is waiting for a 15^50 inscription .

plus im tired of getting crafting mats or getting a crap mod when salvaging perfect mods.

Kinda tricky thing. On the other hand it makes these so-called high-end weapons more affordable but at the same time it makes touring UW/FoW/Deep/Warren less attracting. If inscriptions are indeed what people think they are then prices really are going to hit rock bottom. Buy truckload of Ascalon/Shing Jea keys and profit. But meh', let's see how it plays out first yea?

It's quite simple: supply and demand. Over time the supply of the mods will increase, while the demand will remain relatively stable (if not decrease as people get what they want and then stop buying). Supply greater than demand, means prices go down.

There may be a spike at first but eventually it will start to go downwards.

The Runes are an example. Fewer Sup. Abs. runes in circulation meant prices were as high as 100k. Now you can pick one up for a tenth of the price because the supply increased (more drops in that case, would be the same as more mods being salvaged) while the demand did not.

this is my sentiment.
long term anet would have to be INCREDIBLY irresponsible to go through with it. sure plenty of people on the lower-income scale think its a good idea now, but a few months down the line when everything in the game is available to the general public and everyones walking around with the same stuff, it would pose an issue. not to mention, that the tanking of item prices (and they woulf FLOOR very, very quickly) would mean that only 1 thing would hold value; actual gold (ecto would retain value assuming most things would remain at 100k+ectos, otherwise their decreased use as a gold-substitute would take hold), which means that even more people would resort to ebaying.

sherlock gold is meaningless already except to get some of the things that will lose the huge inflated value they have now

very reduced prices will mean you do not need all that gold so why ebay it to put it in stotage?

and what is wrong with the majority of players having fun playing a game?

heres an explanation easier to understand and slightly more in depth.
gold, by itself, isnt worth that much because of the fact that so many things are 100k+, and the things without good skins are worth piddly amounts, like 10-40k.
if anet goes through with this patch the crappy r13 15.50 short-swords (and the bpow/axe equivilants), in their nearly infinite abundance, will be salvaged for the damage mods and applied to chaos axes, crystalline swords, brute swords, stormbows, etc, etc, etc, in each weapon category.
thus, the prices of the higher-end items will drop like MJs pants at a kindergarten talent show, leaving many (if not most items) items over time to be relegated to the 100k mark...
what does this mean?
well, with the increased number of items worth 100k and under, ecto wont have as much of a use for moderating trades, afterall, the single largest use of ecto is NOT fissure armor, its in paying for items worth 200k, 300k, 500k, 1million, etc, etc. since these item's prices are guaged only by their rarity(supply vs demand), yet so many totally crappy ones exist (such as 16<50 r8 cruystallines or whatnot), the crappy ones would all of a sudden be modded with perfect damage mods, increasing the number of r8 15>50 rare-skinned weapons available to the general public by 100 fold. so, with the drop in prices of items, and the drop in price of ecto, and ectos decreased use as a trade moderator, what then, will be the main method of buying items?
answer: gold.
now, gold itself does not gain or lose value, it gains and loses purchasing power (aka, how much you can get for X amount of gold). in short, by decreasing the overall value of items in the gaming market, and NOT simentaneously decreasing the total amount of gold on the market, the purchasing power of gold will skyrocket; inherently increasing its importance in the guildwars market economy, and simentaneously increasing its demand by people who are unable to get what they need by legitimate means.

understand now?

Ok, let me just say this (probably been said already though)....
A gold 15^50 item will be worth a lot more than a white 15^50 item, no questions asked, it just will. You get people now who will pay like an extra 500k to get a req7 over a req8, so you do not think that they will pay more to get a gold item over a purple or blue or white? I dont mean to sound like I am the god of the universe or anything and its blaitaintly obvious, but it hadn't been mentioned before page 3 of the thread (where I read up to) so I thought I would point it out
Please dont flame ;-) post your comments!

Guild Wars is about full customisation, and having a req 7 rare skinned sword 15^50 and whatever you want with it is no exception. Also, since weapons will no longer be destroyed, you can switch mods between you weapons when you feel like 'a change of skin'.

I have already got my req 8 white summit hammer to pump and will change my phoenix blade from +20 <50 to 15^50 as soon as I find a 15^50 sword.

I think all value will be left to colour and req, as atm they will be the only things left unchangable (apart from the item value lol).

The inscriptions are (IMO):
15^50, 15/-5 etc. for axes, swords, and hammers.
Recharge/casting time of staffs/wands/focii.

I for one i'm REALLY happy about the staffs. It's almost impossible getting a good looking AND good performance staff. Recently i got:

Insightful Fire Staff of Smiting Prayers
req 8 fire
20% death
smiting +1 19%.

I hope i will be able to sort out such messes.

and another problem is that, this game is too short for hardcore to play 8+ hours everyday 7 days a week. This game is not like WoW or everquest. where you got endless quest and mission+ maps that you can explore.this game only got a limted number of missions and quests not to mention that they are all kinda annoying after you play 10 times already.
some mission are nearly impossible to find a real ppl group and also a pain the in az to beat it with hencheis. farming,trading and collection the items we want are the only thing that holding us buying more chapters and playing. How many copies you so-called casualist bought? i personally bought 4 copies myself. akh and spil probably got more. ppl like us who will buy guildwar games no matter what, and that is how Ncsoft and Anet repay for our royality? if they really make the new salvage kit in nightfall, i will not buy any Ncsoft and Anet product in the rest of my life. It is like their way of saying that" OH! you nerds playing too much GW. I aint making money off you people, you should play like the Nubs, who only play 2 hours a day 2 days a week<like my cousin who bought gw and play only 2 times probably less than 5 hours>. Now, i am driving you out with MY ALMIGHTY NERF BAT.
BTW, ANET you can't force people to pve, why there is 10+ dist in la and KC, when only 1 to 2 dis in most mission?
cuz ppl dont like to repeat the same mission again and again. they dont wnat to pve, nothing can change that.
you force them to do things they dont want to do, guess what? you lose them. period. well, atleat i save myself 116 dollars. Thank You! Ncsoft and Anet!

ok tell me what do you do after you have beaten the game 16 times(all chapters assumming there is 10 chapters) got everything you want, all itmes you ever need and you will never pvp. you dont chest run cuz the cost of key will exceed the cost of the items<assumming all itms are so dirt cheap> you dont farm for gold cuz everything is cheap and you can get w/e you want easily< you just go out to kill a mod and wow you got a req8 crytalline>,you can switch mod among your items so you dont bother to buy anything. You sell all you found to merchants since nobody will buy it. you only play with your heroes and henchies since nobody will party with you. you got nothing to do but dancing with me in Grotto and drink ales would you still buy more GW if it turns into a game like this? how many chapters will you buy again?

In my opinion, all ppl claiming that the new feature will ruin guild wars bla bla bla are ppl who already have rare stuff which they sell for 100k + X ectos and don't want their collections lose value. Ppl who like the idea (like me) are excited b/c finally they will be able to afford a perfect, rare-skinned weapon too.

Frankly, and not meaning any offense, the summit hammer is one of my fav skins, and you don't want me to have a perfect one b/c of your lovely collection? That is not fair. Unless I'm mistaken, Anet said that they never envisaged ecto being used as currency, so this may be the thing that makes things right in their eyes.

I always thought the rare prices were kickin ridiculous. 1 mil gold for ONE sword? you gotta be joking. This will also kill a substantial part of ebay gold sellers, as most items will become available to most ppl, so ppl will buy ebay gold less and less.

how can inscriptions produce THAT if I may ask?

and also don't take my word as if it were the bible. I'm not an Anet insider (wish i was though )

You are aware that Summit Hammers can be bought for peanuts? The last perfect one I bought cost me 20k and that was ages ago. The inscriptions will not come cheap for along while and would more than likely cost way more than a perfect Summit Hammers costs. Therefore unless you want to wait months and months till the inscriptions cost 5-15k it would be better to just buy a perfect one now. There are certain weapons which with perfect stats wont be worth adding inscriptions to because they cost so little anyway.

How the inscriptions would be applied to dual modded items is interesting. I would guess that you can only get one of the inherent mods in the case of salvaging a dual modded item. If you can only apply one inscription to an item with dual mods it would require you to have the other inherent mod you want on the item.

E.g. Get the +30Hp from a shield. Then apply it to a shield with -2 dmg while in stance to make it +30hp -2 dmg while in stance.

Anet may allow you to apply two inscriptions to an item as long as it fits with the current game mechanics i.e. no +30hp +30hp shields.

If the choice out of two inherent mods is not available and it is random and includes the chance of not getting what you wanted then imo single inherent modded shields, staffs and other caster items would be worth more than rubbish dual modded ones. Just like how now a Sword of Fortitude would be easier to sell to someone after the salvage than a Poisonous Sword of Fortitude.

there are still things to get and I'm more than sure that Anet will keep us busy. And in the remotest possibility that gw will start to 'die down', Anet will and something to spice it up again. Titles were one thing to go after, for example, and some titles keep on growing as the game expands (skill hunter, for instance). Weapon collections are way from being the only thing worth in the game.

Tbh I didn't. But I just threw the summit hammer as an example. Let's say any kind of weapon which is pretty rare to see perfect. If I like it and it's easier for me to get, I will like the game more and play more. I don't want to spend all my time on gw farming for that darned perfect weapon that just won't drop.

and there is my point.

observation and guess and not a flame

if something drops from 500k down to 5k (your 100 fold which i think will be close BTW) a much higher per cent of players will be actually able to earn enough ingame gold to get it.

ebay/ign will be selling gold in 50k/100k lots instead of 1,000k k lots as now and will have to be hit hard in the profits in the process.

potential loss of customers combined with radically smaller sale lots.

or if they keep 1,000k sales it will last 10X longer than before reducing repeat buyers

just my opinion and we will see shortly how it turns out.

that is why i cant get excited over it.

i already have what i want and only play for fun

Imo people would still want to buy large amounts of gold i.e. 1 million.

There are 15k armors which cost 75k + the cost of materials. FOW Armor at the moment costs 1.2 million gold a set (I think). The chest running title I think costs 6 million gold or so if buying keys at 600 gold each.

People would also require various services such as running, fow armor trips, fame farming etc which can cost alot of gold. Just to get to rank 3 would cost 540,000 gold based on the typical 3k per fame prices people charge. Therefore although many high end gold items wont sell for the millions they used to there are other things which require massive amounts of gold.

There would be many items which people desire that dont cost alot but when a large number are owned the cost adds up. Nice perfect staffs for example can be bought for 20-30k each. However, if you want your ele to have one for fire, water, air and earth it could cost between 80-120k for a set of perfect ones. Maybe they want to kit out their other chars after that as I assume they would have other chars which they want to look nice and own nice stuff. All the small amounts of gold which items can cost eventually add up.

Ebaying gold is something I dont particularly like but I still think people buying gold in large amounts will be occuring for a long while. I dont think adding inscriptions will stop gold sellers or bots.

if the 15^50 mod is transferable, you guys wont have a chance to buy ANY 15^50 items with undesirable skins, ppl will just salvage it and sell it for 100k+xxxectos, dont forget ppl are greedy, you can't stop them from always wanted more.+ rare skins will skyrock as well. ppl wont dont have money still can't afford them. and i have a good suggestion
anet can make the 15^50 inscriptions only good for green items. this way both parties are happy. hardcores stick with their items and casualist stick with greens and collector tiems. yeah dont forget sell them for 100k+xxx ecto isn't hard either. the demand will be so high. and ppl wont let it go easy. you still have to farm to get it.

The thing is, finding a 15^50 weapon isn't too hard.

Finding a low req, nicely skinned weapon isn't too hard either.

Finding a 15^50, low req, rare skinned weapon is VERY hard.

Anet are just giving the possibility to 'merge' the stats, skin and good req into one item.

I think that will be a massive problem until inscription fall in price (if they do). If for arguments sake a 15>50 one costs 100k at around release time alot of people upon finding a item worth less than 100k with a 15>50 would risk the salvage in the hope of getting 100k instead of say 30k. Why sell a 15>50 Longsword for 30k when you could get the inherent 15>50 mod and get 100k? Factions items took along while to fall in price and if the same might happen with insciptions then finding those perfect common skinned items might prove difficult.

/agree
people will just salvage the 15^50 mod and put it on a desirable skin, instead of selling it cheap, they would ask for a skyhigh price, a req8 white max dwarven axe is easy to get? i dont think so. it will just lead to another economic chaos. ppl's greed will always drive the price high, and nothing can change that. dont you want higher price if you find a good item? again, ppl who are rich are ppl who are smart, they know where to get what and sell for how much.
as long as they are out there.. you guys simply dont have a chace to get 15^50 for dirt cheap.

actually, factions items fell in price almsot daily from their inception, due to an abslutly insane droprate.
and no, this is not out of concern for my own collections, ive really long since stopped caring. it is out of concern for a great line of games with a lot of potential, assuming anet doesnt do overtly dumb acts like tanking the games own market economy. considering noone HAS to buy gold weapons, theres no legitimate reason for tanking them other than to cater to the will of people who care more about their own fortune than the well-being of the game...its just 1 more thing for long-term players to keep them in the game when they beat it, and is the source of GW's in-game economy.
sure, people may think the well-off players are the selfish ones, but the well-off players arent the ones asking for free handouts, and if i were a poor player, who is just now getting into GW, i would seriously reconsider getting GW with news like this...anything worth having is worth working for.