Livingston's Guide to becoming a Grandmaster Elonian Cartographer! (No Map checks!)

Haggard

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

It was a way easier title than I expected. I got this without looking at any maps or having anybody else check out mine:

Livingston

Livingston

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Edge of the World

[L] [GET]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cba
Sorry man, I can't see the details on your maps. You're gonna need to bump up the size so I can get a better look. When you're talking about .1% pieces, that makes it all the harder. He's right. The maps you post need to be the same size as the U map image in the game - exactly.

So if you overlay them and switch back and forth between them, there should be no differences.

Livingston

Valeria

Valeria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Germany

PaRe

W/

This is my third Grandmaster title and it was really easy compared to the others. Got 99,8% without looking at maps and the last 0,2% were only one spot.
I guess there is much less which you are unable to uncover because you can't reach the area. Guess we have to say thank you to Anet
(I'm happy i dont have to uncover the damn realm of torment)

fibassassin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

FiB

W/E

Well im not really an explorer, so this is my first attemp, got 98.6% at my first try at title. Im a Skill and Unique Item hunter, so ya lol not used to exploring.

I will repost the shots.

Made 99% BTW

elsalamandra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hi guys

I was wondering if a kind person could analyse my map and point me to the right places I need to uncover to get the cartograppher title.

I know i have a portion in the solo wurm place, but I am really stuck now, my char is from canmtha,

many thanks

http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?i...lona944wa9.jpg

woundedfighter

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

FL

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by cba
Sorry man, I can't see the details on your maps. You're gonna need to bump up the size so I can get a better look. When you're talking about .1% pieces, that makes it all the harder. if u ment me i can make it any bigger >.> this is my MAX screen res in and out of game
1280x1024

fibassassin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

FiB

W/E

Photobucket doesnt allow me to go bigger than 1024.768. I have a 19"LCD and the screenshots are 1280x1024 but photobucket makes it 800x600.

BTW thx Livingstone for your map, from what i could get im up 2 99.1%.........

But now im really stuck. Can i post it for you in 1024 x 768 ?

woundedfighter

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

FL

W/

if u can be my guest

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

I'm currently and 99% and need your hawk-eyes to help me get that last 1%. Here are my U maps:

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/8...sland01kf9.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7...sland02fz1.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9...sland03gv8.jpg
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5...sland04dh1.jpg
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/3...nland01wj5.jpg
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/2...nland02pe8.jpg
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1...nland03wp0.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3...nland04nd7.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/3...nland05vs2.jpg
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9...nland06nf7.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7...nland07sy5.jpg
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/9...nland08hc8.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2...nland09hh0.jpg

Thanks in advance!

fibassassin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

FiB

W/E

LOL no i ment My previous screenshot

lapoire

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

hello
i hope someone can help me
i have 99.9 % on elona with a prophecy char
thank you if someone found the last %
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw008xx5.jpg

Crazy Kalibanov

Crazy Kalibanov

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Black Parades

Can anyone tell me how I can explore the two areas shown below? Are these only available to characters started in Elona? I obviously been in the larger area once, but now I can't find a way in. Is there a quest that takes you there?



Woot. Just got 100% without these areas.

woundedfighter

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

FL

W/

the only times i know how u get there are in the movie once u get to elona for the first time or the very beginning of a char creation but there must be another way ... or an event sometime?

Hypernecrofear

Hypernecrofear

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Virginia

Grenths Rejects [GR]

N/Me

I'm trying to map Dynastic Tombs and so far i've been successful and ive been able to map all the areas except the upper right hand corner. Is there any easier way to do this or will i never be able to get 100% because of this little corner.

Trelon Burg

Trelon Burg

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oklahoma

Uphill Battle [uB]

Hi, I'm at 99.1% missing a few places and was hoping to get some assistance.

Here are my two maps in the specified sizes, in .jpg form.

1024x768
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...1-1024x768.jpg

1280x1024
Photobucket will not let me upload this image and still have it retain its dimensions. I can email this size if specified with an email address.

Thank you guys for offering this service.

Livingston

Livingston

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Edge of the World

[L] [GET]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cba
I give up. I'm only going to respond and help those who understand that you need to U MAP, not World (M) Map. Although, I could have fun by pointing out random spots on your map and make you go there in hopes that I'm right. =) Please don't be a dick. You can check people's maps from the (M) Map, you simply use LuXa's method (also known as the difference method) as I describe very clearly in the OP.

I don't use this method myself, but from what I hear it is very effective in Elona.

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Note: At this time, I won't be comparing people's maps myself as I am still working on gathering relevant information for the thread, and comparing maps is extremely time consuming. Silent Vex has been doing some comparisons, but at the moment there isn't much support for it. So most of you guys will be on your own for a time, and no amount of bumping your posts is going to change that. If you see someone posting results for map comparisons, thhat would be a good time to post your own, otherwise you should reserve this thread for asking specific questions in order to help yourself find the areas you may be missing.

By all accounts, this is the easiest of all exploration titles to get, so if you follow the suggestions in the OP you shouldn't have too many problems.

Livingston

R_A_M_Z_A

R_A_M_Z_A

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

THG

E/Me

I havent had time to check over the past pages to see if this has been answered, but I have a small spot that I cant find a way to...

in the Consolate (sp) docks mission, theres a small building or something on the far east side of the mission area...
It looks almost like a 'guest room' for the docks and is connected to the entire dock cresent by a bridge.

I'm missing the southern border of that small building and I cant find a way out too it...

Hypernecrofear

Hypernecrofear

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Virginia

Grenths Rejects [GR]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by R_A_M_Z_A
I havent had time to check over the past pages to see if this has been answered, but I have a small spot that I cant find a way to...

in the Consolate (sp) docks mission, theres a small building or something on the far east side of the mission area...
It looks almost like a 'guest room' for the docks and is connected to the entire dock cresent by a bridge.

I'm missing the southern border of that small building and I cant find a way out too it... its a jail cell and you can fully explore it once you do the mission Pogahn Passage if you pick Margrid the Sly as a hero instead of Master Of Whispers.

R_A_M_Z_A

R_A_M_Z_A

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

THG

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypernecrofear
its a jail cell and you can fully explore it once you do the mission Pogahn Passage if you pick Margrid the Sly as a hero instead of Master Of Whispers. oh!
Thanks.
But what if I've picked The Master already...
Can I go back and grab Margrid later on and still do the mission?

fibassassin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

FiB

W/E

Yes you can thats what i did

cba

cba

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

You Touch My Tra [LaLa]

Rt/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livingston
Please don't be a dick. You can check people's maps from the (M) Map, you simply use LuXa's method (also known as the difference method) as I describe very clearly in the OP.

I don't use this method myself, but from what I hear it is very effective in Elona.

************************

Note: At this time, I won't be comparing people's maps myself as I am still working on gathering relevant information for the thread, and comparing maps is extremely time consuming. Silent Vex has been doing some comparisons, but at the moment there isn't much support for it. So most of you guys will be on your own for a time, and no amount of bumping your posts is going to change that. If you see someone posting results for map comparisons, thhat would be a good time to post your own, otherwise you should reserve this thread for asking specific questions in order to help yourself find the areas you may be missing.

By all accounts, this is the easiest of all exploration titles to get, so if you follow the suggestions in the OP you shouldn't have too many problems.

Livingston I'd rather not be a giant penis about this, but U Maps are far better to judge by. The method of tabbing back and forth works wonders. I'm also able to use your maps, and compare area by area just by staring at it. Tiny areas sometimes will jump out at me, and I'm pretty decent at catching them. As I said earlier, it's harder when you are at 99.9%

Anyways, I will try to help one by one from the list. Works is kicking my butt, so I don't have much time during the week. I'm doing this to help Livingston because I know how frustrating it can be to get stuck.

elsalamandra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

ARGH

This cartography is driving me potty.

I found tyria harder than cantha, but elona takes the prize.

How do u get inside the fortrss of jahai?

Tried from chantry of secrest side and from jahai bluffs.

All gates are closed!

I know this area has a few unfogable bits when compared to the 100% explored map aforementioned in th OP.

greatful if someone could help me out here apart from looking at my which i put up yesterday.

many thanks

Livingston

Livingston

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Edge of the World

[L] [GET]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cba
I'd rather not be a giant penis about this, but U Maps are far better to judge by. The method of tabbing back and forth works wonders. I'm also able to use your maps, and compare area by area just by staring at it. Tiny areas sometimes will jump out at me, and I'm pretty decent at catching them. As I said earlier, it's harder when you are at 99.9%

Anyways, I will try to help one by one from the list. Works is kicking my butt, so I don't have much time during the week. I'm doing this to help Livingston because I know how frustrating it can be to get stuck. The state of you being a penis or not doesn't really concern me at this point. As I said, I too prefer the U map method, but telling others that their maps can only be checked using it is simply untrue.

I have also found a few people who could find areas using LuXa's method that can't be detected using the U map method as the difference can only be seen in the zoomed out map and not in the U map. An example of this is the Jade Brotherhood base in Cantha near Budek Byway which when uncovered creates a line in the water that can only be seen in the zoomed out map.

Also as LuXa's difference method uses a program to find the spots rather than a human eye, you can check the entire map with the click of a button, and thus can find many spots on multiple people's map in a number of minutes. Thus even though the U map method is more exact and detailed, LuXa's is much more efficient and less time consuming.

Of course the best possible way to determine what someone is missing is to do LuXa's method first, then U map search for any additional spots that may have been missed.

However, since Elona is a lot easier to explore than Tyria and Cantha, you may not need any more areas than what you find with LuXa's method.

That being said, I do appreciate the time you are taking to check people’s maps. If you prefer to use the U map method, so be it. Ask people to post their U maps and that you would be happy to check them if they will, but you can’t use their zoomed out maps. Don’t insult people (even indirectly) though if they don’t do so. If they don’t want to post U maps for people who are taking their time to check their maps, then that’s their loss.

Livingston

Taldrym

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2006

Lions Arch Guard

R/Me

I just want to thank Livingston for his map.
I was stuck at 99,9% (yep), and after comparing his map to mine I got one final spot (there may have been more of them, but this is enough for me).

Again, many thanks.

Livingston

Livingston

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Edge of the World

[L] [GET]

Update!!!
The 3rd OP now contains all relevant information that has been provided so far on this thread in concern of achieving the Grandmaster Cartography title.

And congratulations to all of our new Cartographers!!

Vital

Vital

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

MN

Wart Machine [Dojismom]

This is my first attempt at GMC, and I need a little help. I am currently at 99.4% of the map on a Paragon. I have finished the game and am a Protector of Elona. I spent my time hugging walls and ALT/TAB on 100% maps, and just today tried the "difference" method, but I just don't seem to have the eagle eye.

I'm GvG/PvP first but have found the quest for this title to be a great experience. I've burned out my eyes on this one. At this point I feel I need a helping hand from the pro's.

If you need any kick-back I would gladly pay 25k in-game if someone can work this through with me.

Here is my Full Map. I have the U maps also but imageshack is running very slow atm. I will have them available asap.

If you are interested in helping me, feel free to PM me. Thanks.

klorbonde

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

MEAN

W/

I'm the biggest n00b in the world.. Have 99,1 but can't make it thugh area 1 in the challenge mission in the desolation.. Gw.gamewiki says somthing about killing a person so the 600dmg man dies or goes away or somthing.. but cant find the right 1 to kill.. Have tried 8 times, and feel like a junkhead.. But i dont think the 3 more areas will make it to 100%, but i would like to clear them before i loook for the other small points around elonian..

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livingston
2) How do I access the Fortress of Jahai?

You can only access the Fortress of Jahai by doing the Pogahn Passage mission. You may only receive this mission if you have Margrid the Sly in your party. Completing the Mysterious Message quest will take you to the Dejarin Estate. From here you will have to choose to take either Margrid the Sly or the Master of Whispers. If you choose Master of Whispers, you won't be able to get Margrid the Sly as a Hero until after game completion. This is wrong. The area you go into for the Pogahn Passage mission is in fact Gandara, The Moon Fortress.

SilentVex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Maguuma Stade

dwc89, Myster Grim, Trelon Burg, lapoire, elsa & Vital: I did the tab trick with your map. It was weird since it was zoomed out, and with the jpeg fuzz I wasn't sure about most of them (hence some question marks). If it helps, great, but I'm not making any promises.

Vital Marked

elsalamandra Marked
lapoire Marked
Trelon Burg Marked
Myster Grim Marked
dwc89 Marked
Vel Marked

cba: I used to think the same thing about the M maps, but I think they're alright for tabbing actually. See ^ up there.

Livingston: I've no idea what's up with my webspace, it seems only my gw folder is returning errors (and changing the name doesn't help). Here's the bmp's you requested, and another link for my full map. As you've hosted it yourself, I'll let you know if I update it again.

These were taken as fast as I could zoom out and hit the print screen button.
1600x1200
1280x1024
1024x768
1440x900

Full U Map

Myster Grim

Myster Grim

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

GMT -5

Band of the H A W K

I am at 99.8 and going mad pleaseeeeeeeeeeee help.

My M map 1290 x 1024

http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/4...imnf998gb7.jpg


My U maps also at 1290 x 1024 zoomed all the way out

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4294/gw056ac2.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3632/gw057vf3.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/49/gw058zs2.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/2415/gw059no1.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/872/gw060eo7.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6967/gw061nk3.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/240/gw062ka2.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6152/gw063ex0.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1020/gw064em4.jpg
http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/2884/gw065sb3.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7203/gw066xl0.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/1391/gw067iu6.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7596/gw068ju9.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9961/gw069tq5.jpg
http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/4391/gw070fq5.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6475/gw071ud4.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/6118/gw072kz6.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/145/gw073pm3.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/8536/gw074zk7.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/9375/gw075yp3.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2356/gw076to4.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3457/gw077ei2.jpg
http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/426/gw078qy5.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/6919/gw079jz7.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/715/gw080ms4.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4061/gw081bk2.jpg
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/8554/gw082ml8.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7651/gw083im9.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1333/gw084tg1.jpg

Myster Grim

Myster Grim

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

GMT -5

Band of the H A W K

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond
This is wrong. The area you go into for the Pogahn Passage mission is in fact Gandara, The Moon Fortress. Well not all the way wrong, yes you can enter the explorable area but you can not get pass the gate unless you are in the mission.

Cyan The Archer

Cyan The Archer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Denmark

R/

Just a quick question: How much does the challenge mission give approxmately? And any hints for it, when only going for cartographer?

Trelon Burg

Trelon Burg

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oklahoma

Uphill Battle [uB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentVex
dwc89, Myster Grim, Trelon Burg, lapoire, elsa & Vital: I did the tab trick with your map. It was weird since it was zoomed out, and with the jpeg fuzz I wasn't sure about most of them (hence some question marks). If it helps, great, but I'm not making any promises.

Vital Marked

elsalamandra Marked
lapoire Marked
Trelon Burg Marked
Myster Grim Marked
dwc89 Marked

cba: I used to think the same thing about the M maps, but I think they're alright for tabbing actually. See ^ up there.

Livingston: I've no idea what's up with my webspace, it seems only my gw folder is returning errors (and changing the name doesn't help). Here's the bmp's you requested, and another link for my full map. As you've hosted it yourself, I'll let you know if I update it again.

These were taken as fast as I could zoom out and hit the print screen button.
1600x1200
1280x1024
1024x768
1440x900

Full U Map Thank you Silent I appreciate the assistance in this matter. If it would help though i do have the original bit map. At any rate I'll give some of these places a shot.

TomD22

TomD22

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by elsalamandra
How do u get inside the fortrss of jahai?

Tried from chantry of secrest side and from jahai bluffs.

All gates are closed!

I know this area has a few unfogable bits when compared to the 100% explored map aforementioned in th OP. I thought my Jahai Fortress was foggier than the 100% map on this thread as well. I cleared it twice from both directions without getting it to look the same to me as it did on the map here. But, I have 100%. So I don't know if that's just because of the leeway in the title, or because zohpar's 100% map here somehow looks less foggy there for some odd reason, but if you're really stuck on it then you may find the same thing I did.

SilentVex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Maguuma Stade

To everyone that has posted maps that I haven't looked at yet, here are my bare minimum requirements:
1024x768 M map @ level 10 jpeg compression (if compressing in photoshop)

recommended requirements:
1280x1024 M map .bmp

Please note that doing a jpeg compression in microsoft paint is approximately a 7 in photoshop (ie, it's crap). If you're using paint, or if you're not 100% sure it is a high quality jpg you're better off just posting the original .bmp screenshot or a .png.

If you have a U map, that's even better, but I'm not going to stitch 14 screenshots together.

Specifically...
Isft: too low quality, post a .bmp
darktemplar32489: it looks like you put your U map on imageshack, which will resize it to an unusable size. See the requirements above

To anyone that posted before page 17: pm me a link to a map meeting the above requirements. I don't have time to go looking through the archives.

skretth

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Australia

This is my "M" map here if your willing to check it out Silent

http://tinyurl.com/yh7pyl


Thanks in advance

krann shin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

west coast

Mo/Me

i would like to thank silent vex for posting a 1440*900 shot! ive been looking for this for a long time. thank you once again! =D