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Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

04 Oct 2006 at 00:05 - 1

Quote:

Changes to Heroes' Ascent 3 October 2006
In lieu of the previously announced special weekend, we've decided to postpone the "Green Drop Weekend" until next week. This week's big news is the conversation of Heroes' Ascent into a 6v6 map. Yes, one of the most popular events will become a permanent element of the PvP game, along with a lot of exciting map changes, too. This will all go live sometime Friday, so stop on by and check it out. Check back next week for news about the "Green Drop Weekend" (which now promises to be even better)!

www.guildwars.com

Moiax

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Pink Animal Clan

E/

04 Oct 2006 at 00:07 - 2

Just saw that actually, I wonder what the new map changes will be.....hmm...

Gert Butterfing

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

New Dragons [NDR]

W/

04 Oct 2006 at 00:12 - 3

Quote:

This week's big news is the conversation of Heroes' Ascent into a 6v6 map.

Let's hope they mean conversion

penguo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Abaddons Bane

N/

04 Oct 2006 at 00:13 - 4

Me and my friend enjoyed wracking up fame that weekend. We change builds often though..... Henchway we reserve for 8v8 though.

Celios

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Black Crescent [BC]

04 Oct 2006 at 00:14 - 5

Good move.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

04 Oct 2006 at 00:14 - 6

It's about time HA got shaken up.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

04 Oct 2006 at 00:24 - 7

They are finally getting around to doing what we have all known they would since that 6man HA weekend about a month back.

Bartuc Galadwor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Alberta, Canada

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]; [SMS] Alliance

W/Mo

04 Oct 2006 at 00:26 - 8

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Misa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right next to the armor crafter.

Mo/

04 Oct 2006 at 00:30 - 9

I don't like changes

But it might be fun =P

stav lad

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Frenzy Heal Sig

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 00:32 - 10

This a bad move from anet. all we gona see is vim/smite and thumpers!!!!!
i agree on new maps but the builds gona be the same with 6v6
8v8 give more chance of different builds...
The only reason is was populour at the weekend is that u get double fame

So i may stop playing ha due to bordom

Naomi Heartily

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Benecia Renovation [RenO]

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 00:38 - 11

I agree with stav lad. In my mind, it's clear that this is the last on the line ways to kill certain builds. The 6 man weekend was fun, but it was also extremely frustrating. All you saw were vimway and smite groups....

Anet, the reason the 6 man weekend was popular is because there was double fame.

A better option would be to open another completely different area similar to HA with the HoH battles, but also leaving 8 man to people who want to play that way....

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

04 Oct 2006 at 00:47 - 12

completely agree with Naomi, why remove the 8v8? why not let people choose what they wanna play?

Clinically Proven

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

[MMAD]

04 Oct 2006 at 00:53 - 13

YAY finally. I love you ANET

Klmpee

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Florida USA :)

[Anti]

W/E

04 Oct 2006 at 00:54 - 14

i might start playing gw agian with these changes !

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

04 Oct 2006 at 01:03 - 15

I think this is a positive change from A-Net. The HA aspect of PvP has always been the same and I think this will help people think of new strategies and kind of make it fresh again. I'm excited

Mysterial

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Servants of Fortuna

E/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 01:08 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

completely agree with Naomi, why remove the 8v8? why not let people choose what they wanna play?

Because eventually the community gets so divided that there's a whole lot of areas with almost nobody playing them instead of a few areas with lots of people.

I'm not sure why anyone is complaining about 6v6 potentially being ruled by smite/VIMway/some other gimmick. How is that different from the way HA is now?

mrdbeau

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Sons of Narnia

P/

04 Oct 2006 at 01:08 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

completely agree with Naomi, why remove the 8v8? why not let people choose what they wanna play?

ANet is letting people "choose what they wanna play." What 6v6 arena currently exists? GvG is also 8v8, so if you wish to play 8v8, you can GvG. HA needed some kind of shakeup... badly. I don't know if this is the right one, but something had to be done.

Windstriker

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Missouri

The Torrencians

R/

04 Oct 2006 at 01:14 - 18

I am kind of excited to what changes they have in store for us in HA! This could be really good or really bad so just have faith!

Durik Lakmor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

Missouri

Pearl of Great Price

R/Mo

04 Oct 2006 at 01:15 - 19

we only saw a couple of builds because it was only for a single weekend. give it time and there will be more 6-man builds out there.

Personally I am neutral about this change tho.

Reza

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Fellowship Of The King [King]

04 Oct 2006 at 01:18 - 20

where we can do 8vs8 now? do i have to join a pvp guild to do 8vs8?

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

04 Oct 2006 at 01:22 - 21

W00T!!! fun new builds are coming.

cry of the rapture

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Kiting a shock axe

guildless again....

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 01:23 - 22

GG Anet indeed. This will just be another slightly bigger 6vs 6 team arenas...i guess im done with HA now. on to gvg once i find a guild

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

04 Oct 2006 at 01:24 - 23

Awsome i loved the 6v6 weeknd.Will fame recieve the permanent boost also?It also says the green event will be better for some reason........I just looked at end of statement of guildwars.com....hmmmmm it would be cool if they added new greens.

cry of the rapture

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Kiting a shock axe

guildless again....

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 01:26 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

Awsome i loved the 6v6 weeknd.Will fame recieve the permanent boost also?

no, i don't believe it will

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

04 Oct 2006 at 01:29 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

Will fame recieve the permanent boost also?

Wasn't mentioned in the announcement, so most likely not.

sp3ct3r

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Portugal

Group Therapy [HUG]

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 01:29 - 26

This is ridiculous...

Nice move to make ppl quitting GW and not buying nightfall...

*this weekend will be*
thumper smite
triple ranger degen
blood spike
VimIway

GG anet.. keep up the bad work...

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

04 Oct 2006 at 01:29 - 27

Quote:

along with a lot of exciting map changes, too.

Why do I suddenly get the feeling that Tentacles will grow in the Battle Isles?

Lex Talionis

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

in the real world away from virtual idiots

Wtf Is Guildwars [Duno]

04 Oct 2006 at 01:33 - 28

Meh I liked it 8v8 I'd rather have a 10v10. This is basically TA with 2 extra ppl.

Mistress Mindbender

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

04 Oct 2006 at 01:41 - 29

To all the above who are saying they are going to quit.... empty threat. I bet you log in, try it out, like something about it and continue playing. To those who actually try it out and then quit... well at least you tried. Anet can't please everybody all the time, but im pretty sure they please most players all of the time.

cry of the rapture

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Kiting a shock axe

guildless again....

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 01:44 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistress Mindbender

To all the above who are saying they are going to quit.... empty threat. I bet you log in, try it out, like something about it and continue playing. To those who actually try it out and then quit... well at least you tried. Anet can't please everybody all the time, but im pretty sure they please most players all of the time.

we did try it at the double fame weekend, and i for one can say that i did not like it

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

04 Oct 2006 at 01:50 - 31

6 vs 6... Thats so. Its just not a large enough scale battle. How about 12 vs 12?

Radu Deucalion

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

Tribal Instincts

Mo/

04 Oct 2006 at 01:52 - 32

I hate when people freak out and say things like "oh man, now i have no reason to play, GW is ruined11!" For the people who love HA, all this means is that build design needs to be changed a bit, people need to come up with new ideas. This changes things, but its still the same HA. Just think outside the box you built around yourself and the build you always run, and come up with a new winning build.

People say this will introduce gimmick builds? hello? every time i HA its the same old crap: IWAY, ViMway, blood spike, R spike, sometimes a duel smite. Thats it. This will hopefully shake things up, as for fotm and gimmick builds, well hell, it CANT get any worse in that regard than it already is.

CalypsoX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Xen of Onslaught

N/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 01:58 - 33

That's really the point. Every team is going to face these changes, so now it's not possible (or at least more difficult) to cover all the bases. You do one thing, but give up something else. Holding/Stall Builds are going to have a much tougher time now. Strategies will have to change and builds will have to change. And change is good, considering how little HA has over the past year.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 01:59 - 34

I missed the 6vs6 weekend so I can't give a personal opinion about whether this is good or bad.

But to me it seems that upon analzying this situation it becomes clear that:

Most/all of the good and high ranked PVP players hate this change vehemently.

Most/all of the bad and low ranked or unranked PVP players and/or mainly PVE players love this change.

Given that, I don't see why Anet would want to have done something like this. Making most/all of the best PVP players upset surely can't be a good way to encourage future PVP customers.

sp3ct3r

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Portugal

Group Therapy [HUG]

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 02:06 - 35

Quote:

I hate when people freak out and say things like "oh man, now i have no reason to play, GW is ruined11!" For the people who love HA, all this means is that build design needs to be changed a bit, people need to come up with new ideas. This changes things, but its still the same HA. Just think outside the box you built around yourself and the build you always run, and come up with a new winning build.

People say this will introduce gimmick builds? hello? every time i HA its the same old crap: IWAY, ViMway, blood spike, R spike, sometimes a duel smite. Thats it. This will hopefully shake things up, as for fotm and gimmick builds, well hell, it CANT get any worse in that regard than it already is.

thats not the problem, the problem is that in 6v6 you dont have enough build options to counter for those gimmicks.... HA is supposed to be a place where u must make that build that is the most complete and has the most options... thats maybe a new concept for all those that only play gimmicks, but for all the ppl that actually play HA it has some meaning...
HA based guilds are gonna be either destroyed or become GvG... nice... Anet always bragged about letting the players choose what they want to do... why the hell do they decide to REMOVE one PvP mode that has a high competitive level like HA has... well its plain ridiculous... If anet wanted to make the ppl happy about a new 6v6 pvp mode, why dont they make that 6v6 mode part of nightfall ? instead of creating a Bot vs Bot mode...
Bah... I dont really care about what ppl in this forum write.. more than 80% of ppl that say they liked 6v6 HA didnt dedicated 1/4 the time i dedicated to this game in the past year...

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

W/

04 Oct 2006 at 02:08 - 36

all i can say is that this is lame. the only builds ic usable after 6 man are d smite, vim, igay, and og spike. thks anet, u nerfed urself.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

04 Oct 2006 at 02:09 - 37

Wouldnt it be something if they nerfed vimway or whatever and Iway right at the start of it?I dont know much of them cuz ive only played rit lord and with bloodspike groups and balanced.

K U J A

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Montreal

Lords Lonely Lovers

Mo/Me

04 Oct 2006 at 02:11 - 38

I say im proud of Anet for making the change. For all of you Complaining about the Thumperway, Necro Spike, Smiteway, etc. this is pretty much what weve been seing in 8v8 HA anyway, so what difference does it make. Now well have a chance to try something new. About the double fame, it doesnt rly matter, cuz matches dont last more than 2-4 (most of the time at least) mins so the fame will be flowing for the good grps ( just hope ur one of them).

GOOD CHANGE IMO!!

Xioden

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

04 Oct 2006 at 02:13 - 39

The announcement is a load of crap. The only reason 6v6 was as popular as it was, was due to 2x fame So you could bet your grandmother that was what drew all the people in. ALL that was needed was some new maps and some variations to game types.

"6-man in time will bring more build variation" Sorry, but no. Less people=Less room for variation. People Think there's too many IWAY/VIMWAY now? It will be the exact same way as soon as people figure out what works and switch to that setup instead.

And no, I don't want to go to GvG for my 8v8. GvG is a COMPLETELY different style of play from HA. I don't not GvG because HA doesn't require a guild (Though I'm sure there are a few out there who do) I HA because I like the playstyle there, just like the people in SO many of the HA guilds out there.

Of the 8 guildies on line now for me, 6 of them Said they didn't like it/Couldn't wait for 8v8 again, 1 Said it wasn't bad, 1 wasn't here for it.

GvG guilds? You can bet your grandfather they'll like 6v6. Gives them something to do when they're a few short of 8 people and they don't want to guest a couple person. So yea it's nice, but we sure as hell better not completely butcher a game type to cater to the GvG crowd.

Lilanthe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

04 Oct 2006 at 02:16 - 40

Elem AoE fleeing effect: OMFG Anet you suck, I'm gonna quit this stupid game !

Warrior Armor/Shield Nerf/Fix: OMFG Anet, you are ruining the game, I'm donne with this piece of crap !

6 vs 6 HA: Two words: GG Gaynet. 6-man metagame was complete crap. If they only changed the maps, i'd jump ecstatitcally and yell "wheeee!", but changing HA to 6-man will probably make me quit

There we go again. *sigh*