Lightbringer Procession - Note: AFK Farming/Exploit Has been Removed
-.-
Apply Poison and Suffering is good enough.
SumXone
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Apply Poison and Suffering is good enough.
well, there is no reason in wasting a precious 2nd class on a r/n, when you can just as well take a n/? with a valuable 2nd class. like monk for balthasars spirit, so the monk does not have to take it etc.
also, disease (which only does -4 degen btw, just like poison) spreads instantly to all adjacent creatures, making it the better poison for afk farming.
as the necro is just as sturdy with all the bonds up as the ranger, the necro wins this race.
it's all about perfection.
also, disease (which only does -4 degen btw, just like poison) spreads instantly to all adjacent creatures, making it the better poison for afk farming.
as the necro is just as sturdy with all the bonds up as the ranger, the necro wins this race.
it's all about perfection.
-.-
It doesn't really matter about perfection if it's R/N or N/x. They both still provide a steady -6 Degeneration. That is all that matters. It's all about personal opinion.
AlienFromBeyond
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Originally Posted by SumXone
take vocal minority, to lower the spears damage even more, and prevent them from selfhealing with chants.
Why not use Well of Silence instead? Replace Suffering with it. You'll be doing 1 more pip of degen, and they won't be able to use shouts or chants.
darktyco
I only have Nightfall so Life Barrier is unavailable to me. Would a warrior/ranger be able to tank 8 spears without life barrier on or would the damage still be too high? I was hoping that his higher armor rating would be able to mitigate some of the damage so he could still be bonded without killing the monk. It would be possible to actually keep two or more monks on him if I was only attempting to do a single group of spears.
I was thinking about giving that hero a scythe and at least apply poison, whirling defense, defensive stance, shields up, and watch yourself.
Out of town for a week so I can't try anything out until I get back, any suggestions until then?
I was thinking about giving that hero a scythe and at least apply poison, whirling defense, defensive stance, shields up, and watch yourself.
Out of town for a week so I can't try anything out until I get back, any suggestions until then?
Cyan The Archer
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Originally Posted by SumXone
well, there is no reason in wasting a precious 2nd class on a r/n, when you can just as well take a n/? with a valuable 2nd class. like monk for balthasars spirit, so the monk does not have to take it etc.
also, disease (which only does -4 degen btw, just like poison) spreads instantly to all adjacent creatures, making it the better poison for afk farming.
as the necro is just as sturdy with all the bonds up as the ranger, the necro wins this race.
it's all about perfection. The question is, why change when its fine as it is? Change Apply Poison to Tainted Flesh/Rotting Flesh i can agree will make it faster(Because a scythe dont hit all around you), but then there is really no reason to change it. If you take more degen it will probably be slower because there will be less Scythes. And
Balts Spirit isnt neccesary on the tank when you and/or the monk is COMPLETELY fine with it. The monk have NO energy problems AT ALL.
(on 48k points Yay!)
also, disease (which only does -4 degen btw, just like poison) spreads instantly to all adjacent creatures, making it the better poison for afk farming.
as the necro is just as sturdy with all the bonds up as the ranger, the necro wins this race.
it's all about perfection. The question is, why change when its fine as it is? Change Apply Poison to Tainted Flesh/Rotting Flesh i can agree will make it faster(Because a scythe dont hit all around you), but then there is really no reason to change it. If you take more degen it will probably be slower because there will be less Scythes. And
Balts Spirit isnt neccesary on the tank when you and/or the monk is COMPLETELY fine with it. The monk have NO energy problems AT ALL.
(on 48k points Yay!)
-.-
49k and counting...
mwpeck
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
I was wondering earlier. Since Apply Poison + Well of Suffering is slightly too potent. Why not use Rotting Flesh on its own instead? You'd keep them all at a -6 degen, not too strong, not too weak.
I personally dont find it too potent. I have started using it and it keeps about 3-4 torments up at once. Highest i've seen was 7 with 2 of them close to dying. Besides, that would be equal to just taking apply poison and suffering.(which is what I use, along with well of suffering)
Slainster
Guys, just wondering if there is a difference between farming Scythes or spears?
YornStar
afk farm?
-.-
10:9 Ratio for Scythes to Spears.
mwpeck
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Originally Posted by -.-
10:9 Ratio for Scythes to Spears.
Correct, But I had trouble getting the scythes setup....Right now, I have 2 groups of spears going with my monk out in the middle of nowhere(not being blocked by a wall) and i've had no trouble for the past 2 hours, she is in casting range, but outta aggro range. When I tried something similar on the scythes, they ran around and for some reason my hero moved and they went for the monk.
-.-
That happened to me when I tried to pull the Scythes to the Rangers, but I figured out that if I substituted myself for the tank to body block the Scythes, I can reposition the Rangers to take my spot.
Cyan The Archer
The Scythes have a small bug that makes them break out of their group when they duplicate to around 5, but its still possible to farm them if you have some practice(Doing Scythes myself). Scythes also do more dmg, so Spears are definately easier.
Lady Phaeton
Just thought I'd share some screens of my setup with the builds mentioned in this thread. I have 2 groups of Spears going and I took screens of the setup from 2 different angles. I hope this helps anyone else out there that is confused or having difficulty setting up 2 groups.
Make sure you click on the link that says view original size so you can see the full res of it.
- Lady Phaeton
Make sure you click on the link that says view original size so you can see the full res of it.
- Lady Phaeton
SumXone
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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer
The question is, why change when its fine as it is? Change Apply Poison to Tainted Flesh/Rotting Flesh i can agree will make it faster(Because a scythe dont hit all around you), but then there is really no reason to change it. If you take more degen it will probably be slower because there will be less Scythes. And
Balts Spirit isnt neccesary on the tank when you and/or the monk is COMPLETELY fine with it. The monk have NO energy problems AT ALL.
(on 48k points Yay!) well, at some point, everything seems fine as it is, but some people strive for perfection and always try to make things a little bit faster, better, saver.^^
btw, rotting flesh has -4 just as poison has, so it does not make the torments die faster, it just keeps the degen steady.
right now, i'm testing spoil victor as elite. it should bring the torments to about 50% pretty fast, from there on, the degen brings them down. as they only duplicate below ~50%. it does not make them die faster, but it speeds up the overall process. and as far as i can tell it after 1h, it does.
you ppl can always keep the old working builds, or you could try to improve them and tell us here how.
that's what it's all about. don't just be a follower.
Balts Spirit isnt neccesary on the tank when you and/or the monk is COMPLETELY fine with it. The monk have NO energy problems AT ALL.
(on 48k points Yay!) well, at some point, everything seems fine as it is, but some people strive for perfection and always try to make things a little bit faster, better, saver.^^
btw, rotting flesh has -4 just as poison has, so it does not make the torments die faster, it just keeps the degen steady.
right now, i'm testing spoil victor as elite. it should bring the torments to about 50% pretty fast, from there on, the degen brings them down. as they only duplicate below ~50%. it does not make them die faster, but it speeds up the overall process. and as far as i can tell it after 1h, it does.
you ppl can always keep the old working builds, or you could try to improve them and tell us here how.
that's what it's all about. don't just be a follower.
YornStar
so you don't use the henchmen, only heroes?
mwpeck
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Originally Posted by Lady Phaeton
Just thought I'd share some screens of my setup with the builds mentioned in this thread.
- Lady Phaeton Thats kinda how I have mine setup right now. Exact formation just in a different location. My 2 starting spears were a little close to the res shrine, so I had to move them to the far side of it. Thats why I like the spears, you can prettymuch position them anywhere you want and go with it.
- Lady Phaeton Thats kinda how I have mine setup right now. Exact formation just in a different location. My 2 starting spears were a little close to the res shrine, so I had to move them to the far side of it. Thats why I like the spears, you can prettymuch position them anywhere you want and go with it.
Cyan The Archer
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Originally Posted by SumXone
well, at some point, everything seems fine as it is, but some people strive for perfection and always try to make things a little bit faster, better, saver.^^
btw, rotting flesh has -4 just as poison has, so it does not make the torments die faster, it just keeps the degen steady.
right now, i'm testing spoil victor as elite. it should bring the torments to about 50% pretty fast, from there on, the degen brings them down. as they only duplicate below ~50%. it does not make them die faster, but it speeds up the overall process. and as far as i can tell it after 1h, it does.
you ppl can always keep the old working builds, or you could try to improve them and tell us here how. that's what it's all about. don't just be a follower.
It does. Scythes will hit up to 3 targets i have heard, and Rotting Flesh 'hits' all the scythes.
btw, rotting flesh has -4 just as poison has, so it does not make the torments die faster, it just keeps the degen steady.
right now, i'm testing spoil victor as elite. it should bring the torments to about 50% pretty fast, from there on, the degen brings them down. as they only duplicate below ~50%. it does not make them die faster, but it speeds up the overall process. and as far as i can tell it after 1h, it does.
you ppl can always keep the old working builds, or you could try to improve them and tell us here how.
that's what it's all about. don't just be a follower.
It does. Scythes will hit up to 3 targets i have heard, and Rotting Flesh 'hits' all the scythes.
Slainster
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Originally Posted by -.-
10:9 Ratio for Scythes to Spears.
So what does that mean? 
They drop faster?
They drop faster?
-.-
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Originally Posted by Slainster
So what does that mean? They drop faster?
10 Points for ever 9 Points.
By the way,
Woot!
They drop faster?
10 Points for ever 9 Points.By the way,
Woot!
Slainster
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Originally Posted by -.-
10 Points for ever 9 Points.
By the way,
Woot! Gratz!
By the way,
Woot! Gratz!
SumXone
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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer
It does. Scythes will hit up to 3 targets i have heard, and Rotting Flesh 'hits' all the scythes.
so whats the point in having more torments, if they do not die?
the scythe attack will hit all foes over time, too, resulting in -4 degen on all torments.
also, disease allows it for the farmer to kill the spears at a distance, making it MUCH more easy to set up an keeping it save. the spears stand all on one spot at throwing distance, lowering the risk of an aggro shift. thus allowing for better placement thus resulting in more possible groups, as you do not have to have an edge between you and the monk.
the scythe attack will hit all foes over time, too, resulting in -4 degen on all torments.
also, disease allows it for the farmer to kill the spears at a distance, making it MUCH more easy to set up an keeping it save. the spears stand all on one spot at throwing distance, lowering the risk of an aggro shift. thus allowing for better placement thus resulting in more possible groups, as you do not have to have an edge between you and the monk.
mwpeck
Ok, I just did a small-scale test. Well of Suffering is a bad skill to bring. in exactly 20 minutes, using well of suffering, I got 276 points. In the same amount of time without well of suffering I got exactly 300 points.
So, Apply Poison + Suffering + Well of suffering gives ~828/h.
Apply Poison + Suffering gives ~900/h.
Also gonna do a test using Well of suffering but NOT using Suffering, and see if that 1 degen can give a few more points, while killing them at a slow enough speed to make the whole process go fast(er).
EDIT: Awesome, in 20 minutes, without suffering, but with well of suffering, I got 328 points.
So, Apply Poison + Well of Suffering gives ~984/h.
I know its not much of an increase, but it is an increase non-the-less. So for optimial farming(of the spears at least) use Apply Poison + Well of suffering(high enough to give 3 degen). I will test this later tonight with some form of disease(possibly Tainted Flesh just cause I have it available), and see if the total 8 degen can even further the points/hour since I know it decreases at 9 degen, but increases from 6, to 7 degen.
EDIT: nevermind, gonna need to try it w/ rotting flesh, forgot Tainted only works if hit in melee, and spears != melee :P
Anyway, as said, I'll test this later tonight, got some stuff to do.
So, Apply Poison + Suffering + Well of suffering gives ~828/h.
Apply Poison + Suffering gives ~900/h.
Also gonna do a test using Well of suffering but NOT using Suffering, and see if that 1 degen can give a few more points, while killing them at a slow enough speed to make the whole process go fast(er).
EDIT: Awesome, in 20 minutes, without suffering, but with well of suffering, I got 328 points.
So, Apply Poison + Well of Suffering gives ~984/h.
I know its not much of an increase, but it is an increase non-the-less. So for optimial farming(of the spears at least) use Apply Poison + Well of suffering(high enough to give 3 degen). I will test this later tonight with some form of disease(possibly Tainted Flesh just cause I have it available), and see if the total 8 degen can even further the points/hour since I know it decreases at 9 degen, but increases from 6, to 7 degen.
EDIT: nevermind, gonna need to try it w/ rotting flesh, forgot Tainted only works if hit in melee, and spears != melee :P
Anyway, as said, I'll test this later tonight, got some stuff to do.
Cyan The Archer
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Originally Posted by SumXone
so whats the point in having more torments, if they do not die?
the scythe attack will hit all foes over time, too, resulting in -4 degen on all torments.
also, disease allows it for the farmer to kill the spears at a distance, making it MUCH more easy to set up an keeping it save. the spears stand all on one spot at throwing distance, lowering the risk of an aggro shift. thus allowing for better placement thus resulting in more possible groups, as you do not have to have an edge between you and the monk. Who told you the rest of the torments didnt die? Disease will give them all +4degen immediately, while Apply Poison will take a few Scythe hits.
the scythe attack will hit all foes over time, too, resulting in -4 degen on all torments.
also, disease allows it for the farmer to kill the spears at a distance, making it MUCH more easy to set up an keeping it save. the spears stand all on one spot at throwing distance, lowering the risk of an aggro shift. thus allowing for better placement thus resulting in more possible groups, as you do not have to have an edge between you and the monk. Who told you the rest of the torments didnt die? Disease will give them all +4degen immediately, while Apply Poison will take a few Scythe hits.
YornStar
ok, how the hell do you mantain energy on the monk?
AlienFromBeyond
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Originally Posted by mwpeck
I know its not much of an increase, but it is an increase non-the-less. So for optimial farming(of the spears at least) use Apply Poison + Well of suffering(high enough to give 3 degen). I will test this later tonight with some form of disease(possibly Tainted Flesh just cause I have it available), and see if the total 8 degen can even further the points/hour since I know it decreases at 9 degen, but increases from 6, to 7 degen.
EDIT: nevermind, gonna need to try it w/ rotting flesh, forgot Tainted only works if hit in melee, and spears != melee :P
Anyway, as said, I'll test this later tonight, got some stuff to do. If that's true, why not use Well of Silence with Curses high enough to get -3 degen? Mine's already up there on the R/Ns because of Enfeebling Blood, so it should be no problem. Rotting Flesh looks like a good idea as well.
EDIT: nevermind, gonna need to try it w/ rotting flesh, forgot Tainted only works if hit in melee, and spears != melee :P
Anyway, as said, I'll test this later tonight, got some stuff to do. If that's true, why not use Well of Silence with Curses high enough to get -3 degen? Mine's already up there on the R/Ns because of Enfeebling Blood, so it should be no problem. Rotting Flesh looks like a good idea as well.
mwpeck
Its easy. My monk has 11 enchantments on her. All the bonds, then Balthazar's Spirit on herself, and Essence Bond on both the rangers, That equates to 2 energy for each thing hitting the rangers, with a possible 7 things hitting each ranger. My monk has a total of 10 degen, and with 56 max energy, I have never seen her go below 50 with this setup. And thats only when she casts something, if she's not casting it never goes below 5 energy. She even has enough energy to maintain balths spirit on both the rangers, which is why it maxes out her energy degen.
My being a warrior, I bring mending with +3 regen, so when the monk uses shield of absorbtion, my mending cancels out the bleeding and their health doesnt move until the shield wears off.
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My being a warrior, I bring mending with +3 regen, so when the monk uses shield of absorbtion, my mending cancels out the bleeding and their health doesnt move until the shield wears off.
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If that's true, why not use Well of Silence with Curses high enough to get -3 degen? Mine's already up there on the R/Ns because of Enfeebling Blood, so it should be no problem. Rotting Flesh looks like a good idea as well.
Good point, It might work, they wouldnt be able to heal, and since when they use Call to the Torment, they cant really heal much anyway, that might make it go quicker. I'll test that later too. Maybe(if you can) you can test it in place of well of suffering. Just do like I did, a 20 min test to see how many points you get in that amount of time since they wont be able to use shouts/chants, you should kill them a little faster cause they wont have any form of healing, and they might even do less damage.(while still taking long enough to kill so they can keep a good number of themselves up)
EDIT: Just checked their skills, it would make them die a little faster and do less damage. They wouldnt have Ballad of Restoration, which heals them for somewhere around 80 health the next time the ranger hits them, and they wouldnt have Anthem of Fury, so it would take them longer to build adren, therefore they wouldnt be able to use Wild Throw and Barbed Spear as often.
EDIT: Just checked their skills, it would make them die a little faster and do less damage. They wouldnt have Ballad of Restoration, which heals them for somewhere around 80 health the next time the ranger hits them, and they wouldnt have Anthem of Fury, so it would take them longer to build adren, therefore they wouldnt be able to use Wild Throw and Barbed Spear as often.
Cyan The Archer
YES! Finally
mwpeck
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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer
YES! Finally
Gratz.....I just reach r6(about 2 minutes ago). Hope to be r7 by tonight, and r8 sometime tomorrow(or the day after, depending on how long it takes).
Gratz.....I just reach r6(about 2 minutes ago). Hope to be r7 by tonight, and r8 sometime tomorrow(or the day after, depending on how long it takes).
YornStar
thanks a lot mwpeck, i thought i had to bring blood ritual or something, lol
Lex
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