Chapter 4 Hints in Nightfall Manual?
Clord
Anet made possibly all three chapters story during making first chapter.
chicks boy
i heard CH4 is gonna be themed like greek or america. i dunno r they retards or genuises?
Skuld
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Originally Posted by chicks boy
i heard CH4 is gonna be themed like greek or america. i dunno r they retards or genuises?
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some guy
South of Tyria is Elona, So it has to be the north of Tyria, I want a Viking themed area!!
Thallandor
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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain
I think the Scepter of Orr is in Glint's safekeeping, since it disappears during the final cutscene when you talk to Glint.
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Originally Posted by Lambentviper
We dont really know for sure that the Charr actually worshipped the titans. It was assumed and in-game NPCs have said that, but that could be their assumptions as well. The Titans, or some likeness of the titans may have been the aggressors who drove the charr from their land. And when you are being oppressed by something, you pretty much wanna burn its image, for revenge if not for a nice morale boosr before the next battle.
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-Charr casters were labeled as flameworshippers and used primary Fire elements in their magic as well to cause the searing.
-To back up the above point, theres a mission in tyria (cant remember name) which require you to lift the siege on rin(?) with Prince Rulik by using the anicent artifact Stromcaller to bring the rains to weaken the charr forces.
-The Charr after causing Searing, attempted to invade Kryta and for a time succeeded until the discovery and formation of the White mantle which then managed to force them back to their lands.
-To back up the above point, The white mantle on orders from the Murssat garthered and gave souls of Chosen on bloodstones (batteries) to seal shut the gates that would otherwise allow titans to roam freely on the Prime. The Murssat hence can be considered enemies of the Titans as would the White mantle to the charr who merely does the will of the murssat to the ends of serving their own purposes other than worshipping them as gods as a whole.
One of my main concerns is with glint who having know what will happen wasnt entirely honest with the Heros and her intentions with the Scepter of Orr leaves much more to be considered. Did Glint also then know about abaddon as well and the reaching of torment into the world? Was there any information in the end of Nightfall that have implicated Glint in anyway?
If not should venturing into the charrlands be the emphasis of Chapter 4, then indeed Glint may make a reappearance and play a major role in the storyline, not forgetting seening more of the charr and titans as well.
Trakata
Support of Charr worshipping the Titans is in the original Guild Wars Manuscripts, quoted exactly here:
"Each night when they make camp, the Flame Carriers erect a flammable effigy in the shape of one of their gods, then ignite it and let it burn till daylight."
In both Pre- and Post-Searing, you can find both burning and burnt effigies of creatures that look exactly like Titans.
Also, in Last Day Dawns, the Charr and Titans are allies against you. Don't think they would be doing that if the Titans were old enemies.
I would love to see a story connection with the Charr...I've always had a fascination with how mysterious they are.
"Each night when they make camp, the Flame Carriers erect a flammable effigy in the shape of one of their gods, then ignite it and let it burn till daylight."
In both Pre- and Post-Searing, you can find both burning and burnt effigies of creatures that look exactly like Titans.
Also, in Last Day Dawns, the Charr and Titans are allies against you. Don't think they would be doing that if the Titans were old enemies.
I would love to see a story connection with the Charr...I've always had a fascination with how mysterious they are.
Omega X
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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain
I dont think Abaddon is really dead, he is just together with Kormir 'recreated'. The new godess is neither Kormir nor Abaddon. By doing so she purged the madness from Abaddon. |
Thallandor
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Originally Posted by Omega X
I personally think that Abaddon is dead and Komir inherited his power. Either way, he's powerless now.
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Guildmaster Cain
The manual also states the Endless Ocean or something similar... maybe it is time the Christoffel Colombus sailed across it and finds out it is not that 'Endless' anymore.
Sparda
ahhhhhhh just wait and then we will see.
Iff ArenaNet keeps up maybe just maybe we will see in de end of february
the new proffesions and in june we will have a new chaper 4.
(this i calculated from the last GW game when we saw the Assa and rt and the paragon and dervish)
Iff ArenaNet keeps up maybe just maybe we will see in de end of february
the new proffesions and in june we will have a new chaper 4.
(this i calculated from the last GW game when we saw the Assa and rt and the paragon and dervish)
Relambrien
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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk
Isn't Cantha across the sea? Wasn't Mhenlo trained in Cantha before he went to ascalon? itsn't it therefore nonsense he could ever think ascalon was the world?
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Lambentviper
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Originally Posted by Trakata
Support of Charr worshipping the Titans is in the original Guild Wars Manuscripts, quoted exactly here:
"Each night when they make camp, the Flame Carriers erect a flammable effigy in the shape of one of their gods, then ignite it and let it burn till daylight." |
Jesse
Mabey the game will take place in the past before Orr was corrupted. Just a silly idea not likely anyway.
Rathcail
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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk
Isn't Cantha across the sea? Wasn't Mhenlo trained in Cantha before he went to ascalon? itsn't it therefore nonsense he could ever think ascalon was the world?
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I doubt he's referring to Cantha's direction when he wonders what is across the sea.
Sophitia Leafblade
btw did Gaile actually say the hint was in the Nightfall manual or did she just say manual cause if she said the later that could mean there may be hints in previous manuals, like the mentions of the Giants in the orig Gw manual (not as in the giants weve already met but bigger ancient ones which are one of the few things weve heard of but not actually learned anythign about) It would go nicely with the whole north of Tryia Iceland & Charr theme. And going from Anets current ways of generating campaigns its going to baised generally on 1 continent, Phrophecies - Europe, Cantha - Asia, Nightfall Africa, that would leave Antartica, The Americas or Australiasia as the prime base for what C4 is gonna be like. The Americas would be too much like previous chapters so i doubt they would do something too much like that, unless its more South America based. Australasia island hopping aproach would be nice to look at but there isnt much in teh way of lore for these areas so that leaves antartica as the prime candidate.
cataphract
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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk
Isn't Cantha across the sea? Wasn't Mhenlo trained in Cantha before he went to ascalon? itsn't it therefore nonsense he could ever think ascalon was the world?
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Lambentviper
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Originally Posted by Rathcail
Mhenlo was born in Ascalon and studied most of his life in the Serenity Temple. So logically considering what what was quoted here, he traveled to Kryta and Elona before going to Shing Jea Monastery for more studies.
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And since we dont see him much until like, the southern Shiverpeaks, its possible.
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Mhenlo says, as idle dialogue as a hench in an explorable area, "I thought Ascalon was the world. Then I came to Kryta. Then I crossed the mountains and came to Elona. I wonder what lies across the sea?"
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We dont really know...which direcetion Tyria is from Cantha, so its possible that there is a different direction in term when he says "across the great sea"
We can tell that there is water to the north and west of the canthan map....so a Southwest trip from the Ring of Fire area or so could yeild a new continent.
Also now that i think about it, he would be saying this before the Ring of Fire area....so it might just be referring to that i guess.
Sergio Leone
I would love to see some more Dwarves. And vikings would own. Ooh now I'm excited =) Has it been confirmed that the next chapter will be a Nordish theme? If so it can be used very well to their advantage.
LiamR
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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk
Isn't Cantha across the sea? Wasn't Mhenlo trained in Cantha before he went to ascalon? itsn't it therefore nonsense he could ever think ascalon was the world?
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Night Daftshadow
So it's a possibility that Chapter 4 is going to be about the northern areas since it was hinted in Nightfall manual,
"Cantha begins trading with Tyria, Elona, and the northern areas."
Same as in Chapter 1 where Cantha was hinted in the manual as well,
"Cantha begins trading with Tyria."
It's a fact that the Charr came from the north. So the northern areas may be their homeland. This is taken out from Chapter 1 manual,
"In unprecedented numbers, the beasts from the north swept down through all three human kingdoms."
It's also a possibility that the Charr worshipped the Titans but it's a fact that they have their own gods.
"Further defining the ring are pillars of pure obsidian or carved sandstone, sculpted to depict the faces of the mysterious creatures the Charr worship."
"To the Charr, flame is the physical representation of their gods."
And this little bit from the manual as well,
"Last sign of Giganticus Lupicus (the great giants) walking on Tyrian continent."
So perhaps we'll see the Charr and these great giants in Chapter 4...?
"Cantha begins trading with Tyria, Elona, and the northern areas."
Same as in Chapter 1 where Cantha was hinted in the manual as well,
"Cantha begins trading with Tyria."
It's a fact that the Charr came from the north. So the northern areas may be their homeland. This is taken out from Chapter 1 manual,
"In unprecedented numbers, the beasts from the north swept down through all three human kingdoms."
It's also a possibility that the Charr worshipped the Titans but it's a fact that they have their own gods.
"Further defining the ring are pillars of pure obsidian or carved sandstone, sculpted to depict the faces of the mysterious creatures the Charr worship."
"To the Charr, flame is the physical representation of their gods."
And this little bit from the manual as well,
"Last sign of Giganticus Lupicus (the great giants) walking on Tyrian continent."
So perhaps we'll see the Charr and these great giants in Chapter 4...?
xyke
Cant wait for official news by AN tbh 
exiled mat
Well.... at least the story can't connect with it because anet and co said that nightfall closed the trilogy thingy...
so it could be anyting
so it could be anyting
Rathcail
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Originally Posted by Lambentviper
And we also know that for like, most of the prophecies story line mhenlo isnt really in the game. Its possible that he grew up in the serenity temple, then went to study at Shing Jea with Togo. And then went to fulfill his destiny in Tyria.
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Mhenlo would have needed do his traveling before the searing. In Factions it is shown how pretty much everyone in Cantha knows Mhenlo, so he would have used plenty of time to travel there as well. Also several people said "I thought you were dead." to Mhenlo during the Factions storyline, which my guess refers to the searing and destruction of Ascalon.
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Originally Posted by Lambentviper
We dont really know...which direcetion Tyria is from Cantha
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Shaggeh
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Nightfall closes the Abaddon trilogy. The previous two chapters, and Nightfall, came about directly because of Abaddon's awakening. Nightfall solves this problem.
This doesn't mean that the story won't be linked into the previous three chapters, or that we won't see familiar faces, just that Abaddon is no longer pulling the strings.
Cid
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We dont really know...which direcetion Tyria is from Cantha
If you read the Nightfall manuals' description of Corsairs, it tells you they have fleets between southern Elona and the North-West of Cantha... So I guess that Tyrias' up the top, Elonia is below that, and Cantha is South-West of Elonia?
Originally Posted by Lambentviper
We dont really know...which direcetion Tyria is from Cantha
If you read the Nightfall manuals' description of Corsairs, it tells you they have fleets between southern Elona and the North-West of Cantha... So I guess that Tyrias' up the top, Elonia is below that, and Cantha is South-West of Elonia?
Sai Rith
I forgot if the titans/mursaat drove the charr from their homeland (haven't played Prophs in awhile), but if they didn't we might see what drove them anyway.
thezed
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Originally Posted by Night Daftshadow
"Last sign of Giganticus Lupicus (the great giants) walking on Tyrian continent."
So perhaps we'll see the Charr and these great giants in Chapter 4...? |
Makaelthos Solcry
Probably a land which is part of the canthan supercontinent .Will read manual again .
AydenV2
Possible clue in this quest? I tried and failed multiple times, I suck. Someone beat this quest for us all, Scorch is in the gate of secrets.
draxynnic
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Originally Posted by chicks boy
i heard CH4 is gonna be themed like greek or america. i dunno r they retards or genuises?
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Originally Posted by SPOILER
Incidentally, on mentions of Glint's true motives in Nightfall, some of her allies (or, at least, members of the same race as some of her allies) do show up in Nightfall, and they are quite definitely enemies of Abaddon.
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It's also worth noting that the Charr armies passing through Ascalon were the ones that then continued on to Orr, and there is no mention of them passing through dwarven territory to do so, indicating that at some point if not now there was some (presumably overland, unless the Charr stopped to build boats) link between Ascalon and Orr that did not require passing through the Shiverpeaks.
Furthermore, on considerations towards a possible northern chapter and the Charr being native to a colder climate: There is mention of another pass "deep in Charr territory". This could simply mean that the eastern side opens into Charr territory, or it could indicate the presence of a branch of mountain Charr in the far northern Shiverpeaks.
bsumlin
But what about south and east of Cantha? SOMETHING made the Luxons and Kurzicks start fighting. Maybe the answer lies south?
Gairoh
I was wondering about tht all the time too....what made the Luxons and the Kurzicks start fighting....hopefully it'll be reveal in later chapters soon.
Guildmaster Cain
I think it was the failure of the Emperors death, they both accused the other from not being able to stop it. It was the last time they were seen fighting side by side.
thezed
It could also have been a matter of pride. Both sides DID claim their hero struck the fatal blow on Shiro. Add to that the devistating life changes forced on both sides by the Jade Wind and a simple argument over who REALLY killed Shiro could turn into a war.
Daithi the wolf
If the next chapter is set in a mountain/icy region it might be the perfect chance to introduce dwarf race as playable......
Zeph
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Originally Posted by AydenV2
Possible clue in this quest? I tried and failed multiple times, I suck. Someone beat this quest for us all, Scorch is in the gate of secrets.
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Scorch asks you to help find her god(s), one of the titan. You find the titan and it tells her something like 'We used you to achieve a goal (destroying orr) and now you are of no use to us any more'. He then attacks, so you kill him.
Scorch then gives another quest where she says she 'feels betrayed by the titans for using the charr' and seeks revenge. You then have to kill another couple of titans.
It's interesting seeing things from the charr point of view but nothing groundshattering is revealed.
Warrior Of The Toon
I think that (haven't picked up any hints form manual) that theoretically the Americas, South Africa or maybe Scandanavia will come next seeing that we already have Asia, Medieval Europe and North Africa.
Eilan
I thought I made screens of it, but strangely, I didn't 
However...
Prince Methu the Wise states during some Primary Quest, leading to the explorable area with the vabbian library, that he possesses certain stone tablets - not simply rocks, but ones coming from an island somewhere in the ocean; an isle that mysteriously dissappeared afterwards.
Reminds me of some island we all know and love; it's name's beginning with an "Atlan" and ending with a "tis".
Since not everyone got that shiny NF-Necro-Endgame-Armor, we can't expect to travel to something that... wet. Well, and there they come, the corsairs from page one.
However...
Prince Methu the Wise states during some Primary Quest, leading to the explorable area with the vabbian library, that he possesses certain stone tablets - not simply rocks, but ones coming from an island somewhere in the ocean; an isle that mysteriously dissappeared afterwards.
Reminds me of some island we all know and love; it's name's beginning with an "Atlan" and ending with a "tis".
Since not everyone got that shiny NF-Necro-Endgame-Armor, we can't expect to travel to something that... wet. Well, and there they come, the corsairs from page one.
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by Rathcail
Most? Mhenlo shows up while doing various quests in locations like post-searing Ascalon, Northern Shiverpeaks, Kryta, Crystal Desert and then as a hench in Southern Shiverpeaks. So I don't really get your point.
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And for the life of me, I don't know why Eve just magically appears in THK, since she wasn't with them any other time you met (despite, iirc, her bio in the manual saying they met in Ascalon)...
draxynnic
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Originally Posted by thezed
It could also have been a matter of pride. Both sides DID claim their hero struck the fatal blow on Shiro. Add to that the devistating life changes forced on both sides by the Jade Wind and a simple argument over who REALLY killed Shiro could turn into a war.
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Before the Jade Wind, both cultures were fairly rich. The Echovald bloomed, the Jade Sea was full of fish, and while the Luxons had piratical tendencies, they could sail out and raid elsewhere rather than having to raid closer to home.
Afterwards, however, the lands of both sides are impoverished. The islands of the Jade Sea and some parts of Echovald still appear to be fertile, but on the whole, it's a far cry from the resources that either side could draw on beforehand. Nowadays, instead of being able to pluck what they need out of the ocean or off the nearest supertree, the two sides, especially the Luxons (it is mentioned in the manual that the Luxons do feel a bit resentful about being forced into the most hostile territory in Cantha) have been reduced essentially to a subsistance level - their main source of food is probably trading jade and amber for food. And with overpopulated Cantha on top of the more obvious effects of the Jade Wind, food prices in Cantha are probably pretty high - and in recent times, the cut-off of trade from Tyria followed by the Searing and the Cataclysm probably didn't help.
Essentially, the war is one for survival. The Kurzicks and Luxons raid each other because, in the long run, it means they have enough to eat. Of course, a cynic could say that the fighting doesn't actually give any more food to either side (it seems to be pretty evensided, so a gain on one side at the other's expense is probably matched by a mirrored gain/loss somewhere else) but instead culls the population to a level that the food supply can support, but the two sides may ultimately see population control by warfare as better than some other method like drawing straws to see who starves to death.