The bones in the crystal dessert are the bones of large under sea creatues like the gw version of ancient Whales. This are remainders from when the dessert was an ocean way back when teh margontites where first there (as seen by the margonites ships and buildings made from ships). Also i noticed the large bones from the near the charr corridor and i wonder if these were the same creatures or the bones of large Glint like Dragons (hence the nearby area name Dragons Gullet).
I know its kinda a long shot but i wonder if Glint could be one of these giants. Although shes not Massive compared to Abaddon shes certainly large, and dwarfs the so called Giants of Tryia and we all know shes certainly Ancient. Not to mention a being like that with that many eggs that lives for that long a period, where are her offspring?
Chapter 4 Hints in Nightfall Manual?
Sophitia Leafblade
Makaelthos Solcry
the conecept art is after page seven .page 87 also suggests that ch4 may go after an italian theme, anyway guys check out pages 35 and 145, on 35, what is that thing ?!? shadow army ??145 seems weird to me as well,that might be a djinn .check out the bg image on that page as well...weird;i really think we're going to be facing large land and sea giants .
Makaelthos Solcry
btw the margonites uilt the female warrior statue .
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btw the margonites uilt the female warrior statue .
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The Margonites and Elonians where not the only civilizations to fail in the desert.
Tyrreb
Anyone thought that what is behind the jugles of kryta? Forget the vikings, bring out the aztecs! Atleast south america theme was what first came in to my mind.
I got also this feeling that we will get a new race to choose from.
About time before char invasion, thinka bout it, wouldnt it be bit funny that you could actualy jump with couple clicks to cantha which is many years after that?
I got also this feeling that we will get a new race to choose from.
About time before char invasion, thinka bout it, wouldnt it be bit funny that you could actualy jump with couple clicks to cantha which is many years after that?
draxynnic
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I know its kinda a long shot but i wonder if Glint could be one of these giants. Although shes not Massive compared to Abaddon shes certainly large, and dwarfs the so called Giants of Tryia and we all know shes certainly Ancient. Not to mention a being like that with that many eggs that lives for that long a period, where are her offspring?
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.Or they might prove to be something we've already seen - the drakes of Prophecies or the dragons of Cantha, for instance, or the Forgotten. Maybe dragons of Glint's stature are like queen bees - they need to be fed a special diet to become little-Glints.
Somewhat more seriously, consider all those Bone Dragons we run into, while Glint is the only true dragon in Tyria (with the Canthan dragons appearing to be a different species until we learn otherwise). Seems to me that the most likely explanation is that most of Glint's offspring were in Orr - or maybe just enough of a proportion were to fuel the bone dragon populace, while the rest, while scattered around Tyria, are in hiding just as Glint is... but, unlike Glint, aren't important enough to seek out.
Guildmaster Cain
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The bones in the crystal dessert are the bones of large under sea creatues like the gw version of ancient Whales. This are remainders from when the dessert was an ocean way back when teh margontites where first there (as seen by the margonites ships and buildings made from ships). Also i noticed the large bones from the near the charr corridor and i wonder if these were the same creatures or the bones of large Glint like Dragons (hence the nearby area name Dragons Gullet).
I know its kinda a long shot but i wonder if Glint could be one of these giants. Although shes not Massive compared to Abaddon shes certainly large, and dwarfs the so called Giants of Tryia and we all know shes certainly Ancient. Not to mention a being like that with that many eggs that lives for that long a period, where are her offspring? |
Also Glint is pretty small if you compare her to the bones in Dragons Gullet.
Tide to Go
hey iremember you take her egg and then fight her.....but what happines to the egg after u kill her? i forget i havent done in in awhile
Makaelthos Solcry
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and you know this because?
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Sophitia Leafblade
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Well, we don't know how long it takes for one of Glint's eggs to hatch. Her offspring could still be in the shells
.Or they might prove to be something we've already seen - the drakes of Prophecies or the dragons of Cantha, for instance, or the Forgotten. Maybe dragons of Glint's stature are like queen bees - they need to be fed a special diet to become little-Glints. Somewhat more seriously, consider all those Bone Dragons we run into, while Glint is the only true dragon in Tyria (with the Canthan dragons appearing to be a different species until we learn otherwise). Seems to me that the most likely explanation is that most of Glint's offspring were in Orr - or maybe just enough of a proportion were to fuel the bone dragon populace, while the rest, while scattered around Tyria, are in hiding just as Glint is... but, unlike Glint, aren't important enough to seek out. |
makes sence they were offspring or relatives of glint althught they are a slightly different shape to her, but that could be cause they wernt as ancient. I doubt the drakes were related though, they seem to be a species all on there own.Quote:
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hey iremember you take her egg and then fight her.....but what happines to the egg after u kill her? i forget i havent done in in awhile
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I think it is said a couple of times ingame that there can be bones of Great Giants found in the Crystal Desert. Ok, this doesnt mean the bones we see are the ones they are talking about.
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As for the great giants, well the leviathons from the see are still considered Giants, w8 a sec the quote about them from the manual just says, x year the Giants stopped 'Walking' the land of Tryia, could this mean they evolved into Sea creatures. What if these sea leviathon bones are the giants or atleast some of them who got caught by the cataclism in when the Ocean became a Dessert
Venus was her name
northern lands and charr
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underwarer/atlantis themed dealing with orr (sunk beneath the sea, abadon also being the former god of WATER?)
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underwarer/atlantis themed dealing with orr (sunk beneath the sea, abadon also being the former god of WATER?)
Night Daftshadow
We'll see more of these in the flesh
kerosinigami
i think north is a good idea, but i doubt it would really emphasize a ton on the charr. the charr are kind of old news, they may have a role in the next chapter but i dont think they will be the sole emphasis. kinda like how they were in chapter 1. which is sad because they are obviously popular and we are somewhat learning more about them with nightfall.
there was mention of trading with the northlands, and its pretty obvious trading with charr is out of the question. whether the north is snow or jungle nobody knows, but its obvious there are people there. and they are unaffected by the charr, at least enough to still have a safe trade route with cantha. id guess north is snowy, jsut cause.. of geographical north and south poles. the giants may take a role in this but i would assume they would be like the forgotten in the crystal desert. Also, being able to trade with cantha must show some sign of a way to get there through the sea. This could be a easy way to link the boating idea from campaign to campaign.
is it also possible we could pursue more mursaat/seer history more west? id personally love to get into that stuff. maybe the mursaat are more north of the maguuma then just straight west. the seer were close to being wiped out weren't they? maybe we could go to their home in their time of need, making the mursaat yet another deadly enemy to encounter, where we start from their retreating forces in the maguuma and end in the homeland of the seer. We could learn more about how the mursaat get their power, which could lead to another higher entity like abbadon.
Last thing I wanna put out there, which is almost not likely at all but interesting to me. we still know very little about cantha. And im curious as to how far the petrified forest and jade see reach. Is there untouched land from shiros curse? And if so what lies there? What is far south and east of the factions campaign?
there was mention of trading with the northlands, and its pretty obvious trading with charr is out of the question. whether the north is snow or jungle nobody knows, but its obvious there are people there. and they are unaffected by the charr, at least enough to still have a safe trade route with cantha. id guess north is snowy, jsut cause.. of geographical north and south poles. the giants may take a role in this but i would assume they would be like the forgotten in the crystal desert. Also, being able to trade with cantha must show some sign of a way to get there through the sea. This could be a easy way to link the boating idea from campaign to campaign.
is it also possible we could pursue more mursaat/seer history more west? id personally love to get into that stuff. maybe the mursaat are more north of the maguuma then just straight west. the seer were close to being wiped out weren't they? maybe we could go to their home in their time of need, making the mursaat yet another deadly enemy to encounter, where we start from their retreating forces in the maguuma and end in the homeland of the seer. We could learn more about how the mursaat get their power, which could lead to another higher entity like abbadon.
Last thing I wanna put out there, which is almost not likely at all but interesting to me. we still know very little about cantha. And im curious as to how far the petrified forest and jade see reach. Is there untouched land from shiros curse? And if so what lies there? What is far south and east of the factions campaign?
bonevbs
Just out of curiousnenss..
Does NCsoft plan to do a limited count of chapters ?
Like do 6 chapters, then drop guild wars and make guild wars 2 instead ?
Because in Lineage its like that:
they made Lineage 1 made some Chronicles, then they did Lineage 2 made 5 chronicles now they will drop L2 and make Lineage 3....
Does NCsoft plan to do a limited count of chapters ?
Like do 6 chapters, then drop guild wars and make guild wars 2 instead ?
Because in Lineage its like that:
they made Lineage 1 made some Chronicles, then they did Lineage 2 made 5 chronicles now they will drop L2 and make Lineage 3....
bonevbs
By the way.. about the bone dragons....
Remember that dragon called Rottscale that is guarding a closed portal on that strange 'island' surrounded by ghosts in Kryta somewhere east of temple of ages ?
Maybe an entrance to the underworld ?
I'd like to see the atlantis-themed chapter though..
and have a great 'sea' and allow players to have ships ? :P
I guess im just dreaming about stuff thats nearly impossible to implement...
But again I trust NCsoft that community working together with the developers can have great results...
I'm looking forward to C5 and hoping Guild Wars will NEVER be dropped by NCSoft....
..I know I show symptomes of being addicted ^^
Remember that dragon called Rottscale that is guarding a closed portal on that strange 'island' surrounded by ghosts in Kryta somewhere east of temple of ages ?
Maybe an entrance to the underworld ?
I'd like to see the atlantis-themed chapter though..
and have a great 'sea' and allow players to have ships ? :P
I guess im just dreaming about stuff thats nearly impossible to implement...
But again I trust NCsoft that community working together with the developers can have great results...
I'm looking forward to C5 and hoping Guild Wars will NEVER be dropped by NCSoft....
..I know I show symptomes of being addicted ^^
Avatara
Underwater team would be really great and unique for any RPG-game.
I would say go for it!
I would say go for it!
c_ras
ok I thought I would throw out what I think. I have two ideas and the second one is probably more complete than the first.
The first one I'll make fairly quickly. Because the Devs of Chapter 4 did Factions, I could easily see some storyline happening and the area being either East of the Jade Sea or South of the Echovald Forest. Cantha is a continent and so far it seems really small for a continent (or at least imcomplete). As far as a storyline goes, I'm clueless.
The second idea is actually the more complete and the one I like of the two. I would like to see Ch. 4's storyline based around Lord Ordran. There really isn't much info about him, but according to the GW Timeline, he was the first mortal to enter the Rifts. This event happened 224 years ago (from present day GW time). According to what I have read, the Rift is a place of perfect balance of all things, including time. It is also the final resting place for souls after death. I am thinking that when he entered the Rift (or any mortal for that matter), over time he began to grow in power. Because time is balance (doesn't go forward...doesn't go backward), I think he may still be alive. With all this....there has just got to be something going on that could make for a good storyline. I can see the storyline being that you have to travel into the Rift for some reason whether to kill an evil-turned Lord Ordran or to stop some army from flooding the portals to destroy Tyria.
With that said, I think the theme might go to a more dark/sinister feel. I think the chapter will take place on the Northern part of Tyria as well as in the Rift. You'll probably see the city of Drascir (the former Ascalon capital) along with the Tombs of Drascir as well as other cities that are mentioned but forgotten.
Just my thoughts and ideas.
The first one I'll make fairly quickly. Because the Devs of Chapter 4 did Factions, I could easily see some storyline happening and the area being either East of the Jade Sea or South of the Echovald Forest. Cantha is a continent and so far it seems really small for a continent (or at least imcomplete). As far as a storyline goes, I'm clueless.
The second idea is actually the more complete and the one I like of the two. I would like to see Ch. 4's storyline based around Lord Ordran. There really isn't much info about him, but according to the GW Timeline, he was the first mortal to enter the Rifts. This event happened 224 years ago (from present day GW time). According to what I have read, the Rift is a place of perfect balance of all things, including time. It is also the final resting place for souls after death. I am thinking that when he entered the Rift (or any mortal for that matter), over time he began to grow in power. Because time is balance (doesn't go forward...doesn't go backward), I think he may still be alive. With all this....there has just got to be something going on that could make for a good storyline. I can see the storyline being that you have to travel into the Rift for some reason whether to kill an evil-turned Lord Ordran or to stop some army from flooding the portals to destroy Tyria.
With that said, I think the theme might go to a more dark/sinister feel. I think the chapter will take place on the Northern part of Tyria as well as in the Rift. You'll probably see the city of Drascir (the former Ascalon capital) along with the Tombs of Drascir as well as other cities that are mentioned but forgotten.
Just my thoughts and ideas.
draxynnic
From the lore:
"The wizard lord was torn to shreds by hundreds of angry souls seeking retribution for his trespasses." Prophecies Lore book, page 72.
That doesn't mean he can't still be active in another form, but he has died at least once.
"The wizard lord was torn to shreds by hundreds of angry souls seeking retribution for his trespasses." Prophecies Lore book, page 72.
That doesn't mean he can't still be active in another form, but he has died at least once.
c_ras
Ok...I was going by just what I read in the timeline and hadn't bothered with the lore (I read it awhile back but it has been awhile). I just find it striking that on the same page it says that "The Wizard Lord had been canny though; Ordran knew that one day he too might be ensconced in the HoH...". It seems that he wants to become a god and I guess could be the setup for Ch. 4. I think even if he was torn to shreds, I think he somehow got resurrected possibly by Dhuum and started gaining power through the ranks under Menzies, who saw his arcanist potential and thought he might be useful against Balthazar.
Kiran Aldor
In Scandinavien lore, huge sea creatures are very popular, so maybe we'll see both.
But....maybe not ^^
But....maybe not ^^
Flukie Lukie
London themed i'd love that
i'd love that
draxynnic
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Ok...I was going by just what I read in the timeline and hadn't bothered with the lore (I read it awhile back but it has been awhile). I just find it striking that on the same page it says that "The Wizard Lord had been canny though; Ordran knew that one day he too might be ensconced in the HoH...". It seems that he wants to become a god and I guess could be the setup for Ch. 4. I think even if he was torn to shreds, I think he somehow got resurrected possibly by Dhuum and started gaining power through the ranks under Menzies, who saw his arcanist potential and thought he might be useful against Balthazar.
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So, unless the ghosts that killed him were REALLY vindictive, his ghost is probably still around, and may do something in the future (after all, being a ghost didn't stop Shiro). Just that he has died at least once
I Write Sins
Northern part of Tyria ~ we get penguins for pets wooooot! homeland of charr! into teh rifts! to kill abaddon with Gwen as a Hero ~ Gwen {any prof} ftw lawl
daraaksii
Ehm, a chapter that go back in time, before the Charr attack. OR, between Pre-Searing and Post-searing, I want to see what happened in 2 years! Maybe this chapter will tell the story about gwens life
c_ras
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My interpretation was simply that he knew he'd die someday, and if his spirit's final resting place was the Hall of Heroes, he probably wouldn't want any old Tom, Dick or Harry wandering through.
So, unless the ghosts that killed him were REALLY vindictive, his ghost is probably still around, and may do something in the future (after all, being a ghost didn't stop Shiro). Just that he has died at least once |
aZn invaZn
hope this is the right thread, havent had time to read it all so dont flame me if im repeating what some1 else said.
I think there might be a chance that the fourth chapter will be on the same landmass as cantha, since it will be the same team that worked on factions. (elona and tyria were done by the other team). Therefore, each team might be doing all their chapters on the same landmass.
This is just an idea, and i still think that the northern lands theory (which has been around for a long time) is the most plausible.
I think there might be a chance that the fourth chapter will be on the same landmass as cantha, since it will be the same team that worked on factions. (elona and tyria were done by the other team). Therefore, each team might be doing all their chapters on the same landmass.
This is just an idea, and i still think that the northern lands theory (which has been around for a long time) is the most plausible.
Tide to Go
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Ehm, a chapter that go back in time, before the Charr attack. OR, between Pre-Searing and Post-searing, I want to see what happened in 2 years! Maybe this chapter will tell the story about gwens life
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gilgameshx
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Think more the regions between Cantha and Elona.. Alla Corsair Pirates...
Thats my take on it anyway, why else have such a detailed description for an established people? BTW the GW homepage has the manual available for download. http://www.guildwars.com/gameplay/manuals.php See attachment for Cosair details from manual. I think it may be interesting to have a sea bearing game, and allow for multi map ports... Or maybe a HUGE map zoom out with all the lands shown... |
One thing about Cantha doing trading with the Northern area may or may not be North of Tyria. It could be another continent Northeast of Cantha instead. The description mentions that Cantha must be somewhere south of Elona since there's a deadly sea between "NW coast of Cantha and the Southern rim of Elona."
After reading it for awhile, I'm kind of confused now.
Bale_Shadowscar
To Everyone saying "Lets hope its North of Ascalon in the Ice lands because then we'll get Penguins"; you won't. Polar Bears live in the Arctic, Penguins live in the Antarctic.
Its more likely we'll get Polar Bears (Assuming Chapter 4 is in the North)
Perhaps the appearance of the Polar Bear "Ursula the White" in the Wintersday Quest is a clue? They might have been testing out a monster skin for Chapter 4.
Its more likely we'll get Polar Bears (Assuming Chapter 4 is in the North)
Perhaps the appearance of the Polar Bear "Ursula the White" in the Wintersday Quest is a clue? They might have been testing out a monster skin for Chapter 4.
Lord-UWR
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maybe the Great Giants (Giganticus Lupicus) build them, 10.000 years ago. At least their bodies are still found in the crystal desert (the big bones).
Actually their size reminds me of Abaddon, maybe he was a Great Giant as well. He might have bested his predecessor (which he prob had, if u follow sidequests), and changed him from a mortal Great Giant. I wonder if the other gods are as big as Abaddon, and im not talking about their Avatars. They are siblings after all... Maybe we get an Avatar of Kormir in Chapter 4... |
There is ALREADY AVATAR OF KORMIR...
AND think greek myth and titans, they were HUGE, and Zeus was the son of the titan leader. SO HE WAS ALSO HUGE. And, the gods in GW are ENORMOUS. (SEE GW PROPHECIES for picture, where king doric is beggin the gods.)
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Hyper Cutter
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There is ALREADY AVATAR OF KORMIR...
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Tide to Go
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To Everyone saying "Lets hope its North of Ascalon in the Ice lands because then we'll get Penguins"; you won't. Polar Bears live in the Arctic, Penguins live in the Antarctic.
Its more likely we'll get Polar Bears (Assuming Chapter 4 is in the North) Perhaps the appearance of the Polar Bear "Ursula the White" in the Wintersday Quest is a clue? They might have been testing out a monster skin for Chapter 4. |
Lord-UWR
But Gaile said on wintersday, that there is not going to be ANYMORE avatars.
Here's the shot, read it through if interested.
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?i...log1107bx5.jpg
Here's the shot, read it through if interested.
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?i...log1107bx5.jpg
Lord-UWR
But Gaile said on wintersday, that there is not going to be ANYMORE avatars.
Here's the shot, read it through if interested.
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?i...log1107bx5.jpg
Here's the shot, read it through if interested.
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?i...log1107bx5.jpg
R_A_M_Z_A
Going by the "northern trading" thing...
I think Gaile joking around and saying that CH4 will be Antartica isnt too far off...
I think that- regardless of how vast the world is, how straight their trade routes are, and how much they people of Tyria think they have the world figured out, they have some of the placing wrong...
They refer to cantha as the south, Tyria as north and all that, but what is (looking at the globe the right way) theres a mass of land that connects southern Cantha to northern Tyria?
this piece of land hits at either the north or south pole of the globe, and therefore is a snowy region..
This could explain how the shiverpeaks trail down, and could add more to the lore of Cantha
I think Gaile joking around and saying that CH4 will be Antartica isnt too far off...
I think that- regardless of how vast the world is, how straight their trade routes are, and how much they people of Tyria think they have the world figured out, they have some of the placing wrong...
They refer to cantha as the south, Tyria as north and all that, but what is (looking at the globe the right way) theres a mass of land that connects southern Cantha to northern Tyria?
this piece of land hits at either the north or south pole of the globe, and therefore is a snowy region..
This could explain how the shiverpeaks trail down, and could add more to the lore of Cantha
Kyrashti Dv
Is it just me or does anyone else NOT want the Charr back, or another snowy region, Or the Dwarves. After Prophecies i was sick of all three, dont really fancy Charr/Dwarves/Mountains/snow part 2.
Who knows where this "Northern Region is" since from what the descriptions of the manuals says, Cantha is located somewhere South of Elona, so Northern region could be anywhere north.
Another thing that i hope doesnt happen is Menzies or Dhuum trying to rise in power and overthrow the gods, because well that was nightfall.. Maybe something like introducing New Deities found worshipped by foreigners in a new land, but i dont mean moving on from the current 5(6) just adding a few more into the mix. That would be kinda cool.
I just hope everything is new in chapter 4, and not too much revisited material, afterall the first 3 chapters were one big story, which has now come to a end.
Who knows where this "Northern Region is" since from what the descriptions of the manuals says, Cantha is located somewhere South of Elona, so Northern region could be anywhere north.
Another thing that i hope doesnt happen is Menzies or Dhuum trying to rise in power and overthrow the gods, because well that was nightfall.. Maybe something like introducing New Deities found worshipped by foreigners in a new land, but i dont mean moving on from the current 5(6) just adding a few more into the mix. That would be kinda cool.
I just hope everything is new in chapter 4, and not too much revisited material, afterall the first 3 chapters were one big story, which has now come to a end.
Tide to Go
highly trust we will see:
eve, charr, seer,Forgotten,other
Medium trust will see:
Glint,Glints eggs,The crystals,Murssat,Ascalon,the undead,grinth,other
Low trust will see:
Joko,Orr,Gwen,Orb,invasion,plague,other
eve, charr, seer,Forgotten,other
Medium trust will see:
Glint,Glints eggs,The crystals,Murssat,Ascalon,the undead,grinth,other
Low trust will see:
Joko,Orr,Gwen,Orb,invasion,plague,other
Tide to Go
double post, sry my computers acting strange....
well might as well use this to say.......
R A M Z A i think it was proven that when it said the northern lands that it ment ascalon because ascalon is north of elona.....
well might as well use this to say.......
R A M Z A i think it was proven that when it said the northern lands that it ment ascalon because ascalon is north of elona.....
draxynnic
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I do believe that this might be our hint to chapter 4. Read this part "Between the Northwest coast of Cantha and the southern rim of Elona, a deadly sea is troubled by sudden storms and cyclones, hidden reefs, and dangerous sea creatures. These waters were once navigated by Luxon raiders from Cantha, and to this day, brigands from many cultures search for secret coves hidden by these deadly waters."
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One problem with the nautical setting, however, is that without some significant upgrades the Guild Wars engine doesn't really seem to be suited to naval combat. Of course, there's nothing to say these upgrades aren't coming, and with cunning level design they might be able to find ways to fake it.
Ms Utena Tenjou
well whati've noticed is the connection of the prof map from the guide book... now take your CE edition of the map in nightfall and put the nightfall one under the prof one.. there is a line that falls right down.. sands... dune... in prof.. looking at night fall.. sands .. dunes... etc... .. weird considence.... i think not.