It isn't coincidence. The Desolation in Nightfall is the same desert as the Crystal Desert in Prophecies. It's also closer to ground zero of the event that made it a desert in the first place, which is why the terrain of the Crystal Desert is relatively benign compared to that of the Desolation.
Tyria and Elona are the two continents that people can actually place with some real sense of confidence. Cantha is more of a problem - it's to the south, but we don't really have any good information of whether it's due south, southwest, or southeast of the Tyria-Elona continent. (The positioning of the Corsair island chain - described as between the northwest coast of Cantha and the south of Elona - makes me think it may be south-south-east, and so a trip from Tyria to Cantha actually involves passing Elona (which would make sense - it would make Elona the epicentre of the events of the trilogy). However, it could just as easily be simply to the south, with the corsairs being spread from Shing Jea across the waters to the north of Cantha towards Elona.
Chapter 4 Hints in Nightfall Manual?
draxynnic
gilgameshx
I think Guild Wars would have to invent something different in order to get our attention. GW: Factions was about gaining Factions, GW: Nightfall is about AI Customizable Heroes, and now the next GW will have to be something different. I can't think of anything new with North or West of Tyria if that's where Ch.4 will take place. But if it takes place in the seas, then it could mean ship traveling and battles. Though the wurm idea in NF pretty much took that idea. But the wurm thing got old quickly.
Sophitia Leafblade
Did anyone else ever notice that Razah was in the artwork for Prophecies?
http://www.guildwars.com/images/wall...oseup_1024.jpg
look very closely to the left of Cynn and see what image is incripted onto the building I found the same artwork on another pic too:
http://eu.guildwars.com/images/wallp..._ruins-800.jpg
Freaky or what
Could there be a storyline to go with Razah or similar entitys?
http://www.guildwars.com/images/wall...oseup_1024.jpg
look very closely to the left of Cynn and see what image is incripted onto the building I found the same artwork on another pic too:
http://eu.guildwars.com/images/wallp..._ruins-800.jpg
Freaky or what
Could there be a storyline to go with Razah or similar entitys?
ravensong
Uhm,yeah that is freaky but im afraid that isnt Razah,i think thats just similar figure.
Well my opinion.
And i really hope for a snowy area,they could do north of tyria kontinent and would be great if they introduce more of a char story but there HAS to be SNOW! Cmon after the desert and wastelands im tired of sand getting into my boots i want to see snow and lots of it. But ofcourse too many snow would be too much so green forests and green hills would do too...
so i look foreward for landscapes on higher ground level (if you get what i mean).And new map doesnt need to be connected to water...ok,maybe a river couse you have to travel with boat.
But it would be really freaky seeing dwarf players running around O_o!
Well my opinion.
And i really hope for a snowy area,they could do north of tyria kontinent and would be great if they introduce more of a char story but there HAS to be SNOW! Cmon after the desert and wastelands im tired of sand getting into my boots i want to see snow and lots of it. But ofcourse too many snow would be too much so green forests and green hills would do too...
so i look foreward for landscapes on higher ground level (if you get what i mean).And new map doesnt need to be connected to water...ok,maybe a river couse you have to travel with boat.
But it would be really freaky seeing dwarf players running around O_o!
ubermancer
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Also Glint is pretty small if you compare her to the bones in Dragons Gullet.
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Id say her size is fairly maliable.
divinechancellor
Trust me, Chapter 4 is going to take place in Azeroth. Where we can get strip teased by purple freaks with long ears.
Oren The Destroyer
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we can get strip teased by purple freaks with long ears.
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I honestly hope we see more Jungle in CH4, because currently Maguuma is my favorite area. period.
pixel.summoner
After hearing from some of the devs ( and I believe Gaile mentioned it as well, could be wrong ) that not every chapter would provide new classes, i'm curious to see where Ch4 will go. New classes or not, i'll be there.
FoxBat
The reindeer/polar bears have pretty much sold me that at least part of chapter 4 is going to be very snowy.
Last year's grentches and freezies were just repaints of existing models... most importantly, a re-use of existing animations. Notice all throughout NF, the team makes shortcuts everywhere so they can use the same basic animations, even when changing both the texture and polys on things like abomination titans, the many types of desert undead especially centaurs, etc. Heck even classes like the paragon take many of their animations from elementalists while recieving new armor.
Making new animated models is a lot more work than the static ones or the reskins which constitute all of the other wintersday features, probably too much to justify for a seasonal event. The reindeer themselves were well-done and fairly intricate, and the team could've saved alot of work with a repainted black bear instead of the new, higher-poly long-necked model. I find it very hard to believe those base models and animations were created just for wintersday, and thus just about convinced we will be seeing more of them soon. In fact the only unlikely possibilities I entertain is that they might be reskinned for some other climate (can't think of any), or they may be from chapter 5 instead!
I'm sure many of us have had enough of the frozen shiverpeaks, but this evidence seems pretty hard to ignore. Prophecies already did manage to cover a large variety of climates, making some overlap inevitable, as seen in NF. We should probably get used to it with all the chapters looming ahead.
Last year's grentches and freezies were just repaints of existing models... most importantly, a re-use of existing animations. Notice all throughout NF, the team makes shortcuts everywhere so they can use the same basic animations, even when changing both the texture and polys on things like abomination titans, the many types of desert undead especially centaurs, etc. Heck even classes like the paragon take many of their animations from elementalists while recieving new armor.
Making new animated models is a lot more work than the static ones or the reskins which constitute all of the other wintersday features, probably too much to justify for a seasonal event. The reindeer themselves were well-done and fairly intricate, and the team could've saved alot of work with a repainted black bear instead of the new, higher-poly long-necked model. I find it very hard to believe those base models and animations were created just for wintersday, and thus just about convinced we will be seeing more of them soon. In fact the only unlikely possibilities I entertain is that they might be reskinned for some other climate (can't think of any), or they may be from chapter 5 instead!
I'm sure many of us have had enough of the frozen shiverpeaks, but this evidence seems pretty hard to ignore. Prophecies already did manage to cover a large variety of climates, making some overlap inevitable, as seen in NF. We should probably get used to it with all the chapters looming ahead.
Doctor Norris
tommarrow
I think the next step would have to be new playable classes instead of new professions. We have different henchmen that are of other classes so we should now be able to play them as well.
Ayamari
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I think the next step would have to be new playable classes instead of new professions. We have different henchmen that are of other classes so we should now be able to play them as well.
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ravensong
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The reindeer/polar bears have pretty much sold me that at least part of chapter 4 is going to be very snowy.
Last year's grentches and freezies were just repaints of existing models... most importantly, a re-use of existing animations. Notice all throughout NF, the team makes shortcuts everywhere so they can use the same basic animations, even when changing both the texture and polys on things like abomination titans, the many types of desert undead especially centaurs, etc. Heck even classes like the paragon take many of their animations from elementalists while recieving new armor. Making new animated models is a lot more work than the static ones or the reskins which constitute all of the other wintersday features, probably too much to justify for a seasonal event. The reindeer themselves were well-done and fairly intricate, and the team could've saved alot of work with a repainted black bear instead of the new, higher-poly long-necked model. I find it very hard to believe those base models and animations were created just for wintersday, and thus just about convinced we will be seeing more of them soon. In fact the only unlikely possibilities I entertain is that they might be reskinned for some other climate (can't think of any), or they may be from chapter 5 instead! I'm sure many of us have had enough of the frozen shiverpeaks, but this evidence seems pretty hard to ignore. Prophecies already did manage to cover a large variety of climates, making some overlap inevitable, as seen in NF. We should probably get used to it with all the chapters looming ahead. |
And yes Tyria cobers large variety of climates so it would be logical and easy for next map to be connected to it!
Free Runner
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Wth are you talking about ?
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Would love to have a Tengu Warrior
pingu666
Tengu Warrior lfg!
assassin lfg
mesmer lfg
<world> take the assassin and mesmer.
assassin lfg
mesmer lfg
<world> take the assassin and mesmer.
Anny
I heard that Aztec was a possible theme, and tbh. I think its an area which is rich in unique history, and geology. Also the possibility of linking it with The Maguuma Jungle would be very useful to fill the Maguuma back up with people!
Also, the Totem Axe looks very Aztecy (check word!) and we never knew where they came from apart from some idiots who got swallowed. There's my 2 Pennies.
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The Arid Sea, Seems to drift off away into the corner of The Desert, Which then links up with the Nightfall game.
The Falls also has nowhere to go, and only one use so far, and thats the Totem Axe. So Maybe it could link up with a new campaign
Also, the Totem Axe looks very Aztecy (check word!) and we never knew where they came from apart from some idiots who got swallowed. There's my 2 Pennies.
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The Arid Sea, Seems to drift off away into the corner of The Desert, Which then links up with the Nightfall game.
The Falls also has nowhere to go, and only one use so far, and thats the Totem Axe. So Maybe it could link up with a new campaign
Saleh No.1
About the "Where is Cantha located?" thing Jatoro Musagi in Kodlonu Hamlet says: "I hail from the southwest"
draxynnic
Well spotted!
Assuming he's not talking about somewhere he was between Factions and Nightfall, that restricts Cantha's position to a compass quadrant. And, since I believe Jiaju specifies Cantha is to the south of Tyria, this would seem to imply that Cantha isn't so far west as to be considered southwest from Tyria.
Which, by further triangulation, also restricts how far south it can be and still be considered southwest of Istan.
Okay, we could be clutching at straws here, but I think we can start developing a rough idea of where Cantha as and roughly how far it is from the other two maps.
Assuming he's not talking about somewhere he was between Factions and Nightfall, that restricts Cantha's position to a compass quadrant. And, since I believe Jiaju specifies Cantha is to the south of Tyria, this would seem to imply that Cantha isn't so far west as to be considered southwest from Tyria.
Which, by further triangulation, also restricts how far south it can be and still be considered southwest of Istan.
Okay, we could be clutching at straws here, but I think we can start developing a rough idea of where Cantha as and roughly how far it is from the other two maps.
BustroQuick
Don't know if anyone's spotted this, but in southern Mehtani Keys there's a shipwreck with interesting cargo - Fish frozen in Jade Blocks. Hmm, where have we seen this before?
Anny
Don't know if anyone's spotted this, but in southern Mehtani Keys there's a shipwreck with interesting cargo - Fish frozen in Jade Blocks. Hmm, where have we seen this before?
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He posted twice :P
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He posted twice :P
Horseman Of War
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Also, the Totem Axe looks very Aztecy (check word!) and we never knew where they came from apart from some idiots who got swallowed.
**Edit** The Arid Sea, Seems to drift off away into the corner of The Desert, Which then links up with the Nightfall game. The Falls also has nowhere to go, and only one use so far, and thats the Totem Axe. So Maybe it could link up with a new campaign |
Anny
I hope your not suggesting Chapter 4 will be full of gangsta's?
that would be a bit of poor play on Anet....
that would be a bit of poor play on Anet....
Teger
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I was wondering about tht all the time too....what made the Luxons and the Kurzicks start fighting....hopefully it'll be reveal in later chapters soon.
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I honestly would love to see more about the kurziks and the luxons in later chapters...I know a lot of people disagree here, but Factions (and the sides in general), were my favorite thing in GW, and a deeper faction system would be awesome...
As for the next chapter, im *betting* its going to be native american/south american influenced, as they probably wont do australia (desert), as they just did a desert area, and Anet hasnt done *that* much jungle, only the maguma so far...Blowdarts for rangers plx
gilgameshx
I just found something else in the GW:NF manual. On page 137 there is someone on the stairs looking above him there's a picture of a mountain or giant wall of some sort. The picture actually shows a giant eleplant and a rhino below it and it looks as there's a small opening on the right of it. Kind of like how the picture of Ring of Fire loading screen and Crystal Desert loading screen.
Sophitia Leafblade
Those creatures are African/Middleast creatures (and Nightfall is based on Africa/Middleeast), i dont see how they would be relevant to a new chapter thats not based on the same land as Nightfall. Im pretty sure i can see a Hyena and a Girraffe head on teh right hand side. Its possible this is a clue but personally i dont think it is.
MegaMouse
As far as hints in the manual and even looking in the art book from the ce, I truly could find nothing at all. The only mention of places other than Tyria and Cantha are the northern lands. which is criptic at best. I couldn't find anything concrete at all. (my head hurts after looking through that)
Mega Mouse
Mega Mouse
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Maybe we'll get to see the Charrs homeland?
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I WANNA BE A CHARR!
gilgameshx
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Those creatures are African/Middleast creatures (and Nightfall is based on Africa/Middleeast), i dont see how they would be relevant to a new chapter thats not based on the same land as Nightfall. Im pretty sure i can see a Hyena and a Girraffe head on teh right hand side. Its possible this is a clue but personally i dont think it is.
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Free Runner
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We don't see any of these animals showing up in NF. But some people were thinking about "Giants" in the next chapter, I thought this would give off some ideas.
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MegaMouse
I agree with Free Runner on the Giant bones in the crystal desert. They may be part of the new chapter but unsure as to how. Truly need more info and I wish that someone in NC-Soft would leak something concrete (like that is going to happen).
Mega Mouse
Mega Mouse
GourangaPizza
Strange that almost everybody likes to equate Northern Lands = somewhere with lots of snow and moutains. I personally it is going to be sort of an archipalago, with lots of islands. And there will be more diversity to the map in such a way that there will be a floating city above a land belonging to a powerful race.(E.g. Mursaat)
draxynnic
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Strange that almost everybody likes to equate Northern Lands = somewhere with lots of snow and moutains.
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Ultimately, what I'm getting to is that I suspect the Shiverpeaks are much like the Himalayas. It's cold there due more to the altitude, and the effect of the mountains on the weather, than lattitude. The end result is: There is no guarantee that the 'northern lands' are going to be snowed over, certainly not all year around. Instead, it seems more likely to be a moderate to cool temperate climate - at least at sea level, and at the southern portion of the map.
Of course, it could be that the 'northern lands' refer to some random lands north of Cantha that may or may not actually be north of Tyria and Elona, and they're only called that because they don't have their own name and/or they were discovered by Canthans before the other two continents, and are referred to by that term by tradition.
MacStar
I personally think that the "Northern Lands" will be covered in ice/snow. It explains why the Charr were forced to 'invade' Tyria. I think an 'Ice Age' occurred, forcing the Charr south as they are fire based, and it would also explained why the inhabitants are able to trade with Canthan's without fear of the Charr.
Does anyone else think this may be what happened?
Does anyone else think this may be what happened?
Free Runner
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I personally think that the "Northern Lands" will be covered in ice/snow. It explains why the Charr were forced to 'invade' Tyria. I think an 'Ice Age' occurred, forcing the Charr south as they are fire based, and it would also explained why the inhabitants are able to trade with Canthan's without fear of the Charr.
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draxynnic
Personally, my take is that the Charr probably come from a fairly cold, although possibly volcanic, land. Their worship of fire (which, according to Scorch Emberspire, predated the appearance of the Titans) looks to me like the product of living in a cold environment where fire is necassary to survive. On the other hand, however, it is worth noting that they don't seem to be debilitated by being in a warm environment, which implies they haven't been forced to acclimatise to cold temperatures THAT much.
My guess would probably be that their home climate is something similar to northern Europe or maybe mid-to-southern Canada, but not actually arctic. The winters may be long and bitter, but the summers are reasonably warm and there certainly isn't permanent snow cover - at least not in the inhabited areas.
My guess would probably be that their home climate is something similar to northern Europe or maybe mid-to-southern Canada, but not actually arctic. The winters may be long and bitter, but the summers are reasonably warm and there certainly isn't permanent snow cover - at least not in the inhabited areas.
Anny
The Charr must have come from a relatively cold enviroment, they are covered in fur, you dont tend to see many bald creatures in the arctic/antarctic... (penguins have feathers :P)
Free Runner
"My soul longs to bask in the flames of the lands that we called home"
Tells me that the Charr homeland would be far from cold. But that said i would love to see the chapter based in a snowy setting since the Shiverpeaks were my favourte place in the first chapter.
Tells me that the Charr homeland would be far from cold. But that said i would love to see the chapter based in a snowy setting since the Shiverpeaks were my favourte place in the first chapter.
atomic bong
i think tht the next chapter would be back b4 the first guild war and see what led the charr to invade ascalon or what caused the guild war
Free Runner
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i think tht the next chapter would be back b4 the first guild war and see what led the charr to invade ascalon or what caused the guild war
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Anny
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If the chapters ever did go back in time i would think they would go further back maybe to the days when the races fought each other with the magic.
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I dunno, im really hoping for more jungle stuff. Maybe Druid profession with a lot of form type magic. The druids have disappeared from Tyria 100-200 years previous. Maybe they migrated to the northern lands or west.
Druid would be cool, possibly have a lot of forms like the Dervish Avatar's. Morph into jungle animals with their skills or something, like a cross between the Junundu.
I'm ranting. I'll shut up now
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I can imagine chapter 4 starting next to the maguuma jungle. then moving northward swinging around and following across to the shiverpeaks? or going the opposite direction. or something to that effect or perhaps starting further north (like a starting area) and then coming down and linking up with tyria at multiple points? You can link with tyria from Nightfall, so I dont see why Anet would not do the same again.