Anyone else bored?

Yes, I'm already pretty much bored of playing Nightfall. I got my Canthan Necro through it quite fast, including doing most of the side quests and cartographing a bit, and now that my Elonian Ele has also finished NF, I don't actually have any intention to get my other characters through it. As many stated here, it's just too repetitive and quite unrewarding. Although the new maps are very nice and beautiful, I'm totally bored of the beginners' island after only playing it once, but that might just be me.
When I got a little bored with Prophecies for the first time, I was lucky enough to have taken lots of time so I didn't have to wait very long for Factions. When I got all my characters through Factions I just did UW duals over and over again, not just for the money and ectos, but actually for the fun of doing it with nice people, getting better at it, and eventually finding nice things while doing it. When this got boring I soloed some Shiro'ken, cartographed, got my monk her protector titles, all those things that still were quite entertaining back then. Then Nightfall came and I really looked forward to lots of hours exploring the game, finding exciting new things to do, etc. Now, after not even a month, I can't dream of doing it all over again, just because there wasn't actually much new to explore, not many things to do which haven't already been done over and over in the previous games. After all, it's just a new chapter and I guess some people just expected too many revolutionary changes, while all we were getting was the same thing wrapped up in a new skin. I actually like the hero system as far as I can tell them to stay the hell back, but that about covers it, I guess...

Some posters are advising to just take a break, and that replaying a game over and over is just bound to get boring - that may, of course, be right. But even if it's only a new chapter and not a completely new game, I think it shouldn't deliver the feeling of just replaying the original game, even when you're doing it for the first or second time only. I really hope that there will be some major gameplay changes in GW:4... otherwise I can't see myself playing this game for so much longer. Sure, I could try out new farming builds, but since they're probably going to be rendered useless any time, I don't really see the point. I agree to everyone claiming that Anet seems to be forcing their customers to play the game the way they want us to, and for me, this just isn't the way to have fun for a long time; but that's my bad, I suppose.

I'll just spend some time trying to get my new assassin the survivor title, and probably playing Ragnarok Online again, which, for some reason, still has a bloody lot of replay value for me after years... maybe adding a totally imbalanced gunslinger class to GW which does 50.000 damage per hit might eventually solve all our problems. :P
Jk.

Wow, I've made quite a number of posts but your single post simply beats all of mine. I believe that's what most of the bored guys here (including myself) are after, some changes that ANet would hopefully consider and making a good game even better so that all can enjoy. Cheers.

The simple fact that an anet rep named gaile grey has made 2 threads in the time this thread has been up.
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"The ask the devs any question thread."

"and the Changing the skill hunter title thread."
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and not one comment has been made from any sort of anet authority on this major issue.

That means to me that they really dont give a shit what we think. they dont care. they have our money. they are happy. thats all that matters.

Now they will just post usless threads on worthless harmless topics like asking dumb questions and changing pointless titles.. just to keep the cows happy

In my honest opinion i have lost all respect for these people due to the godly ammount of cowardess they have shown in adressing the very valid points made by some concerned members of the gw comunity..

regardless of what side your on fellas.. you should take this as a slap in the face. anet has betrayed both sides by not giving any sort of responce.

AND TO THE ANET DEVS. i challenge you to come here and make a post with any kind of relevant information on the course of action you are going to take.. even if its simply saying that you chose to do nothing and that we should stop complaining.. come here and say somthing.

i respect no one that just pretends a problem does not exist instead of adressing it like an adult

that to me just screams coward

Again, I have to say: Disagreement and differing of opinions does not equate to trolling. If you can't handle difference of opinions then you shouldnt be on a forum.

Yeah NF is really repititive for me it's hard to play through it 9 times. I've barely gotten most of my characters to the mainland. Taking a break will not help as unless everything is back to the way it was, I will still be bored. Guild Wars is almost just done with me, because no matter what they do, I'm going to be bored. Since it seems nothing in NF is really all that new, at least not new enough to keep me entertained. Since buying armor is pretty fun for me still, if I was able to make enough money to do that I could still be having fun.

Also the lack of them answering to this is..well very frustrating and one of the reasons I'm starting to dislike Anet. They don't have to reply and have that reply favor the bored people, just any type of reply whatsoever will be appreciated. Because if they only care about their new customers that's BS.

Well gaile just posted in the one thread in responce to someones joke about the titles.. it was stupid..

how long do they plan on hiding themselves..


at this point its kinda like that lady with the 60 pound tumor. And when asked why she didnt get it removed sooner she said. cause i figured it would go away.

yes anet.. you guys are that obvious. stop insulting the dedicated fans of your game by refusing to ackowlege this post.

Im sure its just as serious as deciding to either keep the skillhunter title the same or split it into three seperate titles..

If you find yourself actively looking for reasons to continue playing then chances are you're just delaying the inevitable. You're in essence forcing yourself to play, which is the wrong reason to play a game.

I've had GW since the first one, really loved that one. Factions.. meh, never really got into it for various reasons. Nightfall, very nice map and places to go etc. felt more like the original in ways but (for me) the Hero system killed off large swathes of co-op since I primarily play multiplayer games to play with other humans (not bots). Aside from that after 14 months things do get a little samey.

Farming seems ultimately pointless and shallow since all you're really doing is going for a different skin. Here's a tip to those getting frustrated/bored about gold/titles - take a break for a while, do some other things (not GW related) then when you realise farming and such is really kinda frivolous you'll have much less stress and frustration. How often do you spend looking at the weapon skin your char has anyway? Most of the time you're looking at the skills bar or something...

Why do think Anet would be concerned about what has been discussed in this thread? Out of 300-or so post, about 10 people have said they are bored. Over and over again.

The rest of the posts were discussions about other topics or one person flaming another. Easily half of the posts were people saying either they were Not bored or people trying to suggest different ways for the bored ones to play.

I'm experiencing the same problem as the OP. I really enjoyed NF, but after being stuck at Gates of Madness I've lost some of the interest. I've then managed to beat the game, but now since farming isn't the same as before I don't quite have something to do.

I dont share the same concerns (but I dont farm)

I've progressed all 10 classes to Kodash Bazaar so far, or beyond


its monotonous if I do nothing but Nightfall
** but **
I've been playing in Factions and Prophecies content too (for my elonians) or characters that didnt finish other chapters


Heroes were a breathe of fresh air
- for all my 13 characters, all 3 chapters

although i strongly suggest you read the whole thread again... that would be insane. so i will just say that you are greatly exagerating your statement.

although to a point you are right. i myself am guilty for posting far to many times in this thread.

but i will not stand by and let this sort of thing happen. anet is ignoring the serious issues with this game. all the while throwing crap questions and threads in our faces... yours and mine.

go ahead flame me all you want.

call me a idiot or somone who just needs to stop playing..

call me any bad named degrading thing you can..

but when somthing happens that you yourself want to fight for and hopefully get changed..

and everyone flames you for an opinion that you have...

then you can call me right.

I don't believe that.

And now I believe you haven't even played Nightfall at all. Items like that don't spawn in Nightfall. Every staff, wand and focus item only spawns with modifiers of the same attribute as the requirement.

Has anyone else noticed the general attitude changes towards darker and even more upset players in general of late? GWOline rescently in many threads had people outright attacking Gaile for account security... something she has nothing to do with. Massive complaints all over the place on the AI (look at the fanboys screaming constantly "Not another complaint on AI!"); complaints about the lack of drops, lack of general "fun"... and more.
The general mood of the population is falling faster and faster. To me, this is simply because the game is no longer as much fun as it used to be. People are obviously still having fun, but is it as much fun as before?
How many threads have come up lately from people asking others to stop complaining? How many complaints, valid or not, are going to show up today.

Look at the posts even here. Go take a break... go play something else... why bother doing X, it's gonna get nerfed... the list keeps going.
Everytime the players "adapt" the rules change, not creating a better and more fun game experience; instead, we get a blander less dynamic with less options game play.

Some of the advise is unfounded and some outright silly. Nightfall is new, a break shouldn't be needed at this point. Playing something else is silly, we just spent $50 or more on Nightfall. It should be holding our attention and have a life longer than a week.

Anet's idea; throw a triple green drop weekend. This is dumb. Why is someone who is bored with the core game going to go "farm" for a green item when the game play itself is not fun? Anet should be addressing the problems first, then celebrating with "weekend throw-a-bone" parties.

I believe we are not hearing from Anet on any of this, because it's working exactly like they want it too. They've been trying to shove PvP down the PvEers throats since day one. They don't want players "end game" to be farming, or co-op grouping, they want adults to go play infant games like tag in the arenas... this is obvious in the current state of the game. Even the AI is trying to act like PvPers running around non-stop or insta-targeting the monks.

What we are seeing is poor customer relations and poor game design. Making matters worse, the Anet devs seem to have an ego and arrogance about them that puts them above hearing the customers complaints. They've descided on a course of action and are not straying from it. End game, gg.

Summary, I'll not buy another Anet game again... ever. I'll try and finish Nightfall (my patience on the AI pending) to see the story through (which is very good) and go pickup a fun game... cause this one is... boring.

holy crap dude... will you be my spokesman.. i wish i could talk like that.. thanks for that amazing post.....

The reason you see so many complaint posts here is because 9/10 complaint posts are made by people people that want to try to create another 19 page uber thread.

With SO MANY people playing and buying all 3 games, it's obvious that Anet is doing at least one thing right; they've made a game that millions enjoy and play on a daily basis.

Sure it was an exaggeration when I said only about 10 of the posts here were by people that are saying they are bored, but no one can deny that Anet has made a successful product and for it to be successful, it has to be enjoyable by the majority of the people buying it.

Sure, some people are tired of the game. Just as they eventually tired of Diablo 2, Starcraft, Battefield 2 and countless other immensely successful games.

There are 8 different people on the first page alone agreeing with the OP. Someone's not been reading this thread and just waded in with "I like to whine about whining" type of comment...

No I read probably 17 of the pages. I said I was exaggerating.

My comment was in reference to someone saying that Gaile had made 2 posts since this thread started, supposedly showing that Anet doesn't care about what the GW community thinks.

My point was that most of the people that have posted here were either the same people posting over and over again, were posting to agree or rebut another post, or people that are not bored with the game.

If someone at Anet was to read this thread, they would probably have the feeling that, other than a few hardcore farmers, most of the people here are generally satisfied with their product.

Note sure what you're trying to say, other than you agree there are tons and tons of complaints.
I've already stated that:
... so that's covered already.

Of course all games become old and boring... but as I said, Nightfall is brand new. I barely opened the game manual and finally read the lore last night.

I'm not sure about successful either. To me, in an online game, success kinda means a longer than three release life span that is fun... as in not boring.

If Nightfall is lastest release and is less fun than the first game... I would consider it and Anet a failure. I simply compare the basis to other online games I have played. EQ for example; each expansion added more fun and the nerfs and "balancing" never killed any enjoyment. I lived with that game for almost 6 years and never got bored. I finally left cause I wanted to play something else. Key there is that I "wanted" to play something else. Not "needed" to take a break.

Nightfall and GW in general could be made extremely fun again. But that's up to Anet to heed what is being said; not the taking of a break, or player base adjusting to an un-fun game play.

It could also be argued that GW is a completely different game and it's like comparing apples and oranges. That's partially true, but not entirely. It's an online game, it's also touted as an online RPG. With that, certain standards apply, when those standards are ignored or removed (such as basic gameplay features - auction houses, ability to alter appearance, equiping with interesting and unique looking gear, standard RPG roles such as "tanking", and much much more) interest will fall. We can agree to disagree on this all day; but simple fact is the things even mentioned above Anet says GW has, will have; yet GW does not... still...

And again, when even GW biggest fans are saying "enough complaining"; it's not because yet another thread has been opened to get the 19 page uber thread, it's because the point of the original thread has been lost and buried in the fanboys flame bait... and constant trolling; and because ANet has yet to address the concerns, valid or not... so another thread on the same topic and issue is raised again... and will keep getting raised and brought up untill the issue is fixed, or the players give up and walk away from Anet for good.

What the fanboys need to understand, and I don't mean the hard core fans, I'm refering to the people that refuse to see fault, when there is clearly a fault or something wrong (so this doesn't apply to anyone here... yet); the general mood of the players is getting darker. This means, people are getting ticked off. Anet ignoring the issue and hoping it goes away is not going to work in their favor.

And by fault, I mean Nightfall is still new; this post should not be here. It should be still fun and interesting to play. I'm not here complaining to complain. I'm here wondering why Anet has yet to adjust the core problems of the game that used to be fun, yet no longer are. I'm here posting in the small hope that Anet devs see the issues listed here and on every other fan forum I could find and addresses them quickly. Sadly, all I can find on an update from Anet is about a title re-work and a weekend gimick.

Anyway, discuss; rebuke, debunk... whatever you all do, enjoy it... cause the game is less fun than reading these forums these days. - which is oddly funny since even those saying they still are having a blast are here posting all the time with us bored people.

bored and frustrated. because the anet devs continue to create the game they want and not the game their customers want.

and until the devs learn to address the concerns of their customers instead of creating their inanely stupid polls about titles (who freaking cares about titles these days) and weekend events (i thought they didnt want people to farm now they create a farming frenzy???), then the time will come when people will certainly give up ranting and log-off for good.

for the record, what people are complaining abuot boils down to these few issues:

1. ai behaviour since the NF update (there was no reason to "fix" what wasn't broken in the first place and this thoroughly riles the pve community)
2. heroes in pvp areas (player vs player is never player vs bot and it thoroughly riles the pvp community)
3. the lack of human interaction in elona

there anet devs. address those issues and maybe we won't feel bored and will stop griping about our frustrations.

if the devs continue to develop guild wars into the game they want, then this will be a niche market game that cannot survive using it's current business model.

No, anet doesn't have to respond to a bunch of vague complaints about how the game is not fun. What exactly are they going to do? "oh the game isn't fun!? shit we forgot the fun! quick program in the fun guys!"

you need to sit down and take your time to read. there are issues here, not "vague complaints" as you so nicely put it. there is a pessimistc attitude in many gw forums right now and i suggest you also start reading those other boards too. such a negative feeling everywhere wouldn't be in the air if the customers truly found the game fun.

Its not that didnt program fun its that they made changes to the game. These changes took away what people did for fun in the game or took away goals for people. Could you imagine being a new player and wanting to get fow armor now? With farming messed up this would be extremely tough and not worth the grind of getting the money together. I still feel the whole update that made the monsters "smarter" is anets way of getting rid of the ebay market but it will also get rid of 75% of the gw community. My friends list has never been this inactive and some of those people inactive have given up the game due to the changes made.

You insult Anet with that comment; even as you attempt to defend them.

They are not so dumb as that. If they are truely reading these threads, then they can clearly see where they are going wrong. Looking at the dates on the majority of major complaints and general discontent will show them when the "problems" began; thus they are smart enough to see when what changes went into effect and trace back the issues.

Let me try to address the boredom in this way;

Which is more fun?:

1) Finding a sweet looking drop and discussing the where's, how's and what dropped it, then forming a group with your friends to go get more? Or finding yet more of the same type of merchantable items and heading back out with heroes and henchies to do more quests?

2) Coming up against a 50 foot rock monster who just slapped your group back to the rez shrine with a wicked two hit combo and hearing the laughter over vent/ts about getting owned by the AI; or seeing Dunkoro yet again being chased around in circles for the 100th time in the same zone?

3) Finding new and interesting ways to take out the mobs; or equiping the now standard cookie cutter skills to stop the AI from applying on the Benny Hill show?

4) Fighting a battle where each class has a role and a place; or simply having a certain skill type allows for annihilation of the AI?

For me, 2, 3 and 4 are the biggest game killers. That 50 foot rock monster is not a threat. He can't "pound" anyone into the group while he's busy chasing Dunkoro around. Equiping the fotm skills to keep the fool AI from running in wild cirlces complete and quickly gets old really fast. To add to that problem, the players, when out with just heroes and henchies (as in trying to level them up so they don't wipe when they are needed in a mission or quest) aren't even allowed to move; otherwise the AI will attempt to follow. Number 4 however is the ulitmate killer for me. There's no point in having or taking a melee class now. Load up on all monks and rangers. The mobs will rush the monks, rangers can spike the AI monk... with AI monks dead, monks cast SoJ and typical smiting spikes and game over.

Where's the struggle at? Where's the combat? We need to be able to fight towards the enemy monk, or healer. We need to feel the pressure of that massive 50 foot rock creature pounding on the front line. They should be hitting so hard that even the most well armored warrior (maybe 10 feet tall at best) is reeling back from the blow. Those mesmers and rangers should be keeping the mob support line busy while the "tanks" work on each other. The ele's should be blasting the front lines while the monks work to keep everyone alive. - Tactics, roles, purpose. GW currently needs these things back in PvE. Currently, it has but two scripts. Spike the monk and run to avoid being hit. There's no struggle and no feeling of battle in that. PvE and PvP are different in that aspect, and that's something Anets need to learn. They are different.

Does that make the game easy? Well, yea; when Anet ignores the call to make the mobs tougher. We aren't asking for run-around AI, we are asking for that poisonous spider to be poisonous, not to use a human skill "apply poison". We are asking for that 50 foot rock monster to hit like a 50 foot rock monster. We are asking for those savage creatures to act like savage creatures and hit like they are savage. We are asking for that Djinn so named for a diamond to take damage like a creature of diamond might. So far, every one of the above mentioned creatures does and acts the same. Boring.

There are more examples as well. Point is, having fun, not owning the AI or getting everything for free. It's the removal of the above fun things and in place we have the boring things.

And no offence Bigwig, but posts like yours are the reason why new threads of the same topic are opened up; because the issues are buried.

ANet WAS doing something right. They changed everything the day before the release of Nightfall when most of us already had our copies. I didn't make a post like this for Nightfall or Prophecies because they were fun and ANet nerfed the fun on the day before a release! What's the rationale behind taking a look at what everyone is doing in your game and taking it away from them? I understand trying to balance things for PvP, but PvE is inherently unbalanced.

You guys must feel sooooo persecuted. I can't believe i never took the time to read through this thread and take in all the whining. (in fact I did, i just regret that i did)

My point was they tried to make this game fun. In fact, to most people it is, and most of the posts in this thread completely disregard that most people like the game. They didn't set out to do a crappy job. It wasn't their intent to set out to do mediocre work, put in a so-so game and call it a day. In fact I wouldn't say they had, its not a great game but its good. The thing is, this game is what it is. Its not going to radically change, tear apart every foundation the game is built on, metamorphize in to the best game EVER. The truth is nightfall is fairly similar to prophecies, and if you don't like nightfall you're just tired of guild wars. No shame, no awful rip off, its just more of the same.

I also tried to point out that there isn't much arenanet can say to people who don't like their game. Do you expect them to come in here and say "You know what? guild wars ******* sucks!" Sorry pal, reality comes in to play here. This is an internet forum. You are whiners on an internet forum, let it go. Stop getting all tense and paranoid that arenanet is conspring against us all to take over the world and in the meantime ignore you on these forums specifically.

but fine, you guys gang up and flame anyone who has a dissenting, slightly humourous point of view, i'm sure it makes you feel vindicated inside.

This thread is so off-topic, please close it.

He speaks the truth. Brilliant post and correct on every point imo.

You trollers are the only reason there are any off-topic posts at all in this thread. You haven't taken a side or made a valid point yet. I'm assuming that you must be having the time of your life with Nightfall and that's why you're spending all your time trolling the forums. Why don't you just pretend this thread isn't here if you have nothing constructive to say.

You made no point, nor expressed any opinion. You attempted to derail and bait for flaming so that your next quoted line would take place.

And another will open to take it's place, and another after that. Why do we see so many new ones open up every day? Because people like yourself that can not grasp the concept that discontent is all over the place.. That's ok though, because you will "gang up and flame anyone who has a dissenting, slightly humourous point of view"; "i'm sure it makes you feel vindicated inside."

No, this thread and all others should not be closed, they should be stickied so Anet is sure to take note there are issues needing addressed. Even if they are to say, "Sorry, this is how it is intended to be".

Any chance you could take your own advice?

Disagreeing is looking at the topic and then stating the opposite opinion with supporting points. It's not telling other people to "adapt", it's not telling people to stop whining, or that there are already enough threads on the topic. The big difference between the two is that one is a discussion and the other is a mild attack. The mild attacks which accompany nearly every post of yours that I've seen are the problem.

I don't think anyone on here expects full agreement from the community on any topic. Most of us do expect that our opinions get a little courtesy from those who disagree.

Let me see if I can put this into perspective for you: Pretend for just a moment that Anet listened to all us "whiners" and changed the AI back to the way it was before NF. You've indicated you like the changes, so we'll also pretend that you would then come on here and voice your displeasure that Anet caved in to us. If every time you posted something, a few of us popped on and told you to "adapt" to the changes, stop whining and deal with it, or we constantly said there were enough of these threads, don't you think you'd get a little tired of your opinion being constantly bashed?

We aren't posting here to hear from those of you who like the changes or to get into an argument. We are posting here so Anet can see what a portion of their clientel thinks about the changes they've made in their product. You, of course, have every right to voice your support for the changes. All I'm asking is that you do that without belittling the opinions of others who disagree with you.

For me the changes to the game are the rough equivalent to hearing Celine Dion sing an AC/DC song or the Dixie Chicks slaughter "Sweet Child of Mine". Sure, it's the same song, same notes, same words, but it doesn't ROCK any more.

However, I also recognize that some people may prefer the re-made versions of these songs to the originals and I can accept that. For me it just doesn't cut it.

I'm not bored yet, I don't oppose the AI changes, I don't care about heroes in PvP, heroes aren't taking away any human interaction for me, I can still farm to my heart's content, I don't think Nightfall is too easy nor do I think it's too hard, and I do indeed realize that this is a horrible run-on sentence.

Maybe, but it's still a stellar example of how you can disagree without insulting or belittling others. Thanks!

Since when did disagreeing with someone become "flaming" ? I've made several posts in this thread and while I may have disagreed, I never once flamed. Half of my posts were supportive of the OP. I didn't make a dissenting post until some comments became outrageous.

My opinion:

1. Prophecies and Nightfall are very close in the style of game play other than the heroes.

2.Some people have played this game into the ground. Their only way to still enjoy the game was to farm.

3. Farming has been nerfed to where the hardcore farmers no longer find it enjoyable. I have repeatedly stated that I am against the farming nerf.

4. The majority of people still enjoy the game. This was my point in my last 2 posts.

Pudin Tame, Narutoscryed and others, how many hours have you put into this game? Thousands I imagine. Surely you realize there is a limit to how long you can stay in a game before you get sick of it.

I see Pudin Tame's point about Nightfall being new and therefore shouldn't be boring yet, but so many have said Nightfall plays very similarly to Prophecies.
I don't think it's the game play you're sick of, it's probably the game mechanics you're tired of.

When you're stuck using one very small and unintended aspect of a game aka farming to have fun, it's probably time to move on.

Wow. You just can't let it go can you? You keep saying that I'm attacking people but what have you done in your last 6 posts (including the deleted ones)? All of those 6 posts were made just to say how much of a "troll" I was.

You don't even address whatever points I've made. You're just pointing fingers and screaming about how I've wrong you when I've only had a differing opinion that you can't handle. Stay off the boards if you think what I've said was so hurtful.

Yep, I finally got so tired of it that I had to stoop to your level.

I never said you wronged me. What I said is you don't simply disagree with anyone. You tell them what they should do and how they should do it. I'm sure to you that's being helpful. But unless you work for Anet, you can't fix anything for us. If you do work for Anet then it's shameful that you are down here bolstering support, but I doubt that's the case. You seem to be smarter than that.

The points you make are about how people should change the things they do to fit around the game.

The points people here are making is that they don't like the changes that were made.

Many in here are blaming Anet for what they did to the game, but you have blamed people for not conforming to what Anet did. You don't see the difference?

Oh yes. I was so horrible to tell you to take a break and come back later. God, I'm so hurtful!

*YAWN*

And a huge thank you for that.

And thank you again for sharing your opinion. This is good to see.
If I may comment; not argue.

I agree with number 1. It's a lot like it, and I think that's wonderful.
2. It's an online game, there should be numberous ways to play it and numerous ways to run it into the ground. The sheer fact that many see "farming" as the end of all to do, is a problem.
3. Yea, agree here as well. It should be a viable and (key word next) entertaining option.
4. Which is why a post like this is even more important; so Anet sees that not everyone is enjoying the changes.

Considering it's an online ever changing game, surely the life cycle should be longer than a week after it's newest release? That should mean everyone should still find some enjoyment in it. It's new after all, and as we agreed above, it's a lot like Prophesies. Proph alone kept us entertained for a year if not more.

Here is where I think we can disagree; it's not untill the changes around Nightfall's release did anything in the game become an utter bore. I, unlike some here, are not all into farming for fun. I have stated in fact that I personally found it boring; but hey, many enjoy it, so cool. The core game, the mechanics were wonderful and enjoyable... untill the changes in the AI.
Now I find each and every fight playing out the exact same. Maybe people like how predictable the AI is now. I dunno, but knowing before hand that every bug, roach, plant, giant and flaming scooby will be heading right for the monks each and every time gets kinda old after awhile. I mean, all the players need to do is equip against that insta-monk aggro and it's game over for the AI... but that's my opinion on it...

Anyway, thanks again for stating your opinion and sharing.

I disagree that the gameplay of Nightfall is similar to that of Prophecies. The AI update itself changed everything about the gameplay. There's also the fact that PUGs are almost non-existent because of heros and more henchmen to choose from. Almost all skills have to be purchased now rather than getting them as quest rewards, which not only cuts down on replay value but also encourages farming which is being simultaneously discouraged. You can no longer run a character through the game once you have beaten it. Those were key elements that made Prophecies fun. When you finished one character you could start a new one and finish it without it being too much of a grind. You had the option of buying or questing for skills. There was FoW and UW. Are they ever going to open the other statues?

I would like to play some different characters in Nightfall but have no desire to grind through it with all of them. This is a major flaw IMO, possibly a fatal one. I think that may be the major hit to the "FUN" factor. I'm now stuck playing only the two characters that I have the patience to finish the game with instead of being able to mix it up a little. When guildies ask for help now I'm limited in what I can bring to help them, and chances are that most of the people who can help are going to have the same types of characters available to do so. I believe that once you have beaten the game with one character, you should be allowed to either run your other characters through the game or the areas opened up on one character should be available to all characters on the same account. Sunspear points need to be eliminated, made account-wide, or simply have say 2,500 given to lvl 20s brought over from previous campaigns as well.

I have spent a lot of time on this game, but that was because I loved it. We are the ones ANet should cater to. They have a lot more to lose with loyal repeat customers than they have to gain with new customers.

Farming was more of an opportunity to hang out with the friends I've made playing GW than anything else. It wasn't something I did because I was bored with everything else, but rather it was fun and had a bonus of a payoff. With the grind that is farming now it's just not fun anymore so all that's left to do is fill up my party with heros and henchies and do some quests. I've done every Nightfall quest I can find up through Troubled Keeper on my necro btw.

You say that a majority of people still enjoy the game. I want to know where this poll is at because I think a lot of people are simply fighting through it hoping things will get better.

Prior to the day before NF release this point was probably still valid but not anymore.

As we all know, only a small fraction of players visit forums. And happy and content players are less likely to vote in some poll about the enjoyment/frustration of a game. They're more likely to be playing the game than to vote in a poll like that.