Anyone else bored?

thought the second reply to this thread is funny.

And that's refering to PvP with the AI "invasion".

"Bored/Boring" seems to be the direction Anet is wanting to take GW at this stage. lmao

NF is a great game playing through 20 attempts to kill shiro WOW.

now that is done got my endgame green sorted.

now do it all again with new char half way through get 2500 Sunspear points before you can continue hmmmm.Ok now i am mindlessly farming just for sunspear points hmmmm. getting bored.
I think the problem comes from the fact guildwars is just "KILL" mob game or work on pointless titles to drain cash for chest keys,beer what ever.

If people had other things to do instead of mob killing then interest might go up.

i have completed the game with 1 char half way through with 3 and i have had about 14 gold drops.farming is IMO pointless as everyone who finishes the game gets a green anyway.I have had 0 green drops from Nf bosses and i am bored to tears.

Stick in the ablilty to brew you own beer in the guild hall for 10 plant fibers and 1 glass vial and it would make it interesting.
add in the ability to craft keys out of steel and iron and people could at least farm for these type of items.

I think it's time for guildwars to offer something other than mob killing over and over and over and over and over etc etc.

QFT

Going through NF with a new char (paragon in my case) was different from previous chapters. In previous chapters I would lose money initially on armor, skills, and weapons, but would eventually recoup most of it by the end of the game without trying to farm. Lack of social interaction along the way and the effort/cost to outfit heroes as well as lack of drops and shortcuts/running left me not wanting to take another character thru NF.

Suggestions:

1. Quest rewards should include skills.

2. Quest rewards should include large sums of money (1k or more).

3. Quest rewards should include good weapons (already customized so they can't be sold) that you can put on your heroes.

3. Skills should cost less from skill trainers. Currently buying the skills to try a variety of builds is expensive and therefore discouraged.

4. The amount/quality of drops should be increased according to the number of human players in your group (to encourage pugs over heroes/hench).

5. Increase the availability of weapon mods.

6. Have repeatable quests with high difficulty and high rewards (3k gold or more).

7. Increase drop quality (more golds) in certain zones while increasing difficulty there.

8. Allow runs/shortucts for your remaining characters in NF if you earn Prot of Elona title on one of your characters.

Hope you're listening, Anet.

Well at least that's a common gripe shared between the PvP/PvE community so hopefully A-net will take their thumbs out of their backsides and do something about it, and not just to keep the PvP people happy.

Anet just want everyone to buy a copy of GWN and then play through the campain ONE time and log-off WHY??

More players log on then there will be extra expense go to the server.
That is also why we wont have Elite Missions that is money to maintain again.
I played through the campain once with my Der. and Anet has cursed me with some kind of boring feeling to start over again with my lvl 2 Par.
/bored

Off-topic
I think Anet is having some kind of financial problem because up to now Anet has not posted any information about GWN championship $100K competition.

Well Anet has cash sinks almost everywhere and no way to make money good enough, unless you're lucky. That's where the problem starts and what needs to be fixed. I'm sure 90% of the people in this game agree that skills cost to much when you need to buy them all over, unless they have a set 10+ million in cash where it wouldn't bother them.

I know there is at least more than 25% of the people in GW that like getting armor and have fun doing so, but to bad they can't afford the more expensive types. Now you might say, oh expensive armor should be rewarding when you get it..thing is the money doesn't have to be as scarce as it is. Easy for old players to make money cause they have it, they might also have good luck/knowledge of how to make money. New players won't at first. I agree with higher money in quest rewards, and from gold drops in general.

The Prophecies method was removed because it caused too much cookie cutter builds.

They tried adding skill point as a reward in Faction. But ANet thought the progression became too fast.

I say give options instead - like gold, gold weapon and/or skill point.

Too a point. The weird thing is, Hero AI actually beat a lot of scrub PvPers. At the same time PvErs are complaining that AI is not smart enough. Go figure.

IMO, most PvEr complaining about the Hero's AI just don't know how to use it properly. I mean not many people in HA are good but they are more capable than 99% of the monsters in PvE.

From my experience it's an on and off thing. One time you can go out and take out 2 groups of 5 Margonites, try it again next time and you get your ass handed to you. It's like buggy in that it's not 100% capable all the time.

As for me I know how to work hero's, the fact that no one died taking on the two groups of Torment with about 6 Rain of Terror's in both groups proves that. Then again it could be, because another person was with me, maybe the hero's react better? I don't know but with another person Hero's seem to be doing better than when I went solo. OH wait that's because I had to use the henchies to and they are the failure of the whole thing. Anet increase Hero party size. I'm not going to PuG anyways so just do it.

Profit! Every minute you play is costing them money. How much bandwidth do you think you bought with that $40? Not much after everyone has been paid. I am surprised they've not included in game advertisements yet.

I hear from some of the best Pve players i know, that only giveing the heros 5 skills works wonders on there AI. I belive it too. His Olias MM's like a pro

Why do you think Anet gave us an option to ban heros from using certain skills?

Prophecies i played through the high level areas on all my characters.

Factions i've done it (eventually) on all but my necromancer.

Nightfall i've done it on my Ranger and i seriously can't be arsed to have to grind Sunspear rank 9 more f*cking times to get access to missions. Not to mention having to gain Lightbringer points on each character independantly so they're actually effective against Demons.

If they'd just make these frigging titles account based it'd make it alot more bearable.

I totally agree 100% here.

I really hope they r listening since they couldnt come up with this on their own.. They obviously have no clue what PVE is all about.. sorry, but if the cant figure this out after 100+ suxy skill points and few mio of stupid xp than i dont know where they r going... Maybe they should ask their tutors ( blizzard ) how to make some endgame pve content.

Or at least make the level 20 'old' characters get the sunspear points to start with-----Now I can see a reason to not give new characters the points, but the old characters we have brought over from tyria and cantha shouldnt have to grind those dang sunspear points to death! (makes sense to me since we also short cut the starter island quests....so say just give 2500 sunspear points when your non-elonian finishes 'the time is nigh' quest, then at least you are on par with the new characters!!!!)

oh yeah, and for those who didnt read page 10------
/bored but only with nightfall....I am still having a good time with prophecy--have a new mesmer running around and since I can skip most of the missions its a much easier and more fun experience.....

Repetitive mob killing is boring as hell, but thats all this game has to offer.

Made worse now in that all mobs act exactly the same.

/look into crystal ball

Yup, the next mob group will go for the monk!

I have to say it isnt so much as I am bored with Nf just not looking forward to going through the earning of the sunspear points with my remaining toons. Not to mention getting the insignias and runes needed for the new set of heros for each toon. That brings me to the farming topic. It was seen by me in Kamadan a highly known rep of this site was saying that farming was nerfed due to the Devs making it easier for money and items to be attained in NF. In my opinion that is totally false.I have had to spend more money in NF then on any of the three camps.Why and what on you ask.The weapons and runes and isignias for the heros.The money dropped gets shared with the heros but I am the one having to front the cost of the things they use. So I have not seen any more gold accumulate in my inventory.

Granted Farming has not been totally nerfed I have been able to farm places I had in the past but it has tripled in time needed to get the farming done.I can say that the amount that I recieved for farming has dropped by a large amount making it not worth the time as well.

I can say that my bf and I finished the game with a Derv and Para and not one green dropped from a boss. In fact bosses didnt even drop a larger amount of gold. Most the time they didnt drop a single thing.

I can say I liked the story line in NF.I liked being able to teach my heros how to attack and defend.I liked that the end of the game wasnt as much of a cake walk as it was in factions.

As for suggestions. Yes adding elite missions and maybe adding more elite quests would be nice.
As well as when offering a title with an 8th tier make it to where it can be attained instead of freezing out the buff.
Also up the gold that is dropped.Two houndred gold between 8 people is not going to replace the gold gotten when farming was available.Asking for 50 gold per person for a boss is not asking too much.It would make killing the boss worth it since dropping its green wpn seems out of the question.

Just my two cents...

belive it or not i have made more money in nightfall than i ever have.. its kinda funny as i was able to gain substantial ammounts of money just selling the insignias from blue armors off tusk howlers before the drop rate was decreased.. it used to be like at least 3k a run and with about 3 minute runs you can make bank easy... some runs even netted over 10k.. that was always awsome..


as for nightfall costing money.. i hate heros. and i farm for all my rares.. so i have not spent a dime. other than money for keys and salvage kits. i have had great success with what is left of the pug groups also...

lol just to put it into perspective how much money i have saved by not dealing with heros.. when i started nightfall i had 20k because during the first few hours of release i purchased 5 white dyes.. lol that was expensive..

but about 2 days later i had solo farmed my storage to about 150k and i know have all the insignias and runes and weapon mods i can handle...

It seems to me that perfect items drop far to often in nightfall..



but regardless of all that i still dispise the ai update

yeah you me and dirk can kill 3 at a time and have fun, but we'd have a blast if we could kill 5000 at a time

i miss the old meat-brained AI! WHY ANET WHY?!?!?!?! ( )

What are you trying to say?

Might want to look at the forum rules as well : Here rule #9

However, meat-brained AI is what we have now, only it's chopped and shredded meat from a headless chicken... as we can see by the attempted immitation of headless chickens we have running about during what should be a battle.

Just to dredge this little quote up and say something- how do you know how many people have bought Nightfall? I don't think it's nearly as many as you think. Less than half, probably a little more than 1/4. Somewhere in between, anyway.


On a side note- is Gaile Grey really too afraid to post in this thread? If she really is a PR gal, then she really should have posted here already. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Not to call her out and taunt her or anything, but a TON of stuff in this thread could be resolved just by ANet recognizing and discussing people's views with us here.

Also, truth/justice whatever: Read through every page again. Yes, some people (myself uber-guilty) have posted many times over about this, but there are one-posters who reaffirm or disagree with our beleifs dotted throughout the thread. Tons of them, actually. Just to point that out.




Oh yeah- JoeKnowMo- Skill quests FTW!

13. Troll less, please.

His suggestions are mostly valid and make sense. Go up your post count somewhere else.

I mainly agree with point number 3, quests with higher gold rewards. This'd be good for newbies and veterans all around, I can't see the harm in it. Quests in the end-game being worth 400g is kind of an insult, IMO.

It seems different over each chapter. Factions enemies die fast as usual, Prophecies enemies are annoying and run away everywhere into other groups or make things overly difficult, usually the caster types and only one enemy per group does that. NF enemies are stoopid dumb. Why? Because Kournan priests, shouldn't be running past their warriors right into the center of my group and standing there doing nothing. That's not right! I'm killing things easier in NF than anywhere else, because of the buggy weird AI.

Wow, I was really suprised to open this thread after not checking it for about a day and a half and see me quoted lol.

SIdra, of course I don't know how many bought Nightfall, but I imagine it's quite a lot. I bet it's enough to make Anet a nice profit anyway. I particularly don't care as long as we get a chapter 4 , and 5 etc.

Gaile probably isn't very concerned about this thread, seeing how many people are posting positive comments here and elsewhere. The vast majority of posts on GWGuru are posts like, "how do I complete this quest", or "how much is this weapon worth." The Riverside Inn is just one small part of GWGuru. Check the other parts of the forum too see what most Guild Wars players are concerned about.

BTW: I said earlier that I absolutely would not post again in this thread, so please do not read this post.

Yay! Someone who agrees with me the current "chicken little AI" is easier than before. /cheer

Like I've been saying, it's easier now than before, because once you figure out how to interupt the simple minded "gotta touch the monk" AI, it's all over.
And then there's the AI monks racing first into battle, then taking a hit and it's "off to the races" causing the congo-line like game play.

It's neither hard, difficult or fun.

Glad to see someone agree with my personal reason of boredom. hehe

I have a feeling Gaile has not responded to the issues brought up here, simply because the game is working as it is intended. An uninstall is looming on my copy, as I can't even be bothered to finish the game now; so in effect, I've wasted $50. With that lost $50, I'll take it to heart and never again buy a product of Anet's. A simple fix on my side, but a true shame as I absolutely loved GW and the potential Nighftall had. I was hoping for a fixed AI (my reason for the boredom); but it's too little too late at this point.

I've got the next game lined up but the wife wont let me touch it till Christmas... grrr

Anyway, here's the last "wish" for a fix before Christmas... as I would so love to see it through. Great game, worst AI I've seen in years = boring game.

That is so true what I highlighted in bold. I am very very bored of Guild Wars

may as well said
- "I am bored with everyones opinions unless I agree with them"

When boredom strikes, play TRIBES 2.

You don't understand, those are not opinions, they are lies made up to prolong the arguement and to support a side.

Not necessarily, lac. Some people seriously do that crazy stuff. I just dunno 0.o

Posts - 471
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Posts by Legit Players with Real Concerns - 430
Replies from Anet - 0

Moving on to another game that actually cares for its Player base, that you don't mind paying per month for. - Priceless.

I tried my best to stay out of this thread and let you all have your say but when people like Lacasner says inflammatory stuff about people LYING to prolong the argument and support a side, I have to jump in.

First it was calling anyone who disgreed with you as trolls and now it's calling them liars. It's obvious that some of you just can't handle anyone having a different point of view about this.

Lacasner, there really are people who play missions 10 times over with 10 different characters and enjoy it. I am not one of them, but come on....calling them liars? Just because you don't understand or share the same viewpoint?

And then there are those of you calling ANET cowards and liars for not responding to this thread. Is it any wonder they arent responding with the amount of hostility and accusations going on?

lol that is awsome dude.. just in time for the holidays.

Ok, obviously you have no knowledge about anything you are saying. If you actually read anything I typed, you would notice how I referred to the people posting ON THIS THREAD. This is not a viewpoint either, there have been accounts were people have openly said they participate in these types of discussions to prove their "master debating skills" (ya lyra, im talking about you )

The only reason why you don't respond either like me is because you don't feel as strongly on the topic as me. I understand their viewpoint perfectly, that they are "debate masters" and want to prove it. That is fine, but at least say it openly, and we can just make a thread on who is "teh ultimage gwg debater!"

I don't know about you, but I feel duped that I spent roughly 7 months on a game and that Anet feels little connection with its customers, especially the loyal ones who bought all the chapters. Sid, and btw if you do want to be literal and say "well, there are people who replay these things over and over again", I agree. But, you see they are the ones actually playing, and not going on this forum thats full of angry customers like me.

yeh, im bored..mostly cause none of my friends have bought the game yet.

Dont just make statements about what others say... if your gonna call someone out then you should include quotes and all that jaz...

as for you saying you tried to stay outa it...LOL you have been on this thread about more than anyone.. and 90 percent of your posts hold no valid input to your side at all.. so stop acting like your hand was forced.. you came into here cause you love to post here and argue... thats it... please dear god just make some relevant arguments on the next post..

Even Sidra, someone who is on your side, thinks you were wrong on what you said. And if that wasnt what you were saying, obviously you werent very clear about what you were talking about right?

Someone else quoted you saying you were bored of people who claim to play through the campaign with multiple characters mutiple times. Then you said those claims were not opinions but lies. So what are you talking about?

I guess it must be hard to see where I quoted Lacasner in my post.


And since you're all about valid and relevant arguments and including quotes, here's some that I've seen from you:

Oh yes, Naratu, your posts just scream relevancy and validity. I just can't understand why ANET won't respond....

*I* am one of those people with 13 characters

11 of which are at Kodash bazaar (in Vabbi) or beyond

I am not lieing or playing devils advocate,
when I say - I am not bored, I am having fun

hey.. your right.. i am all about them... THANKS!!!!!