Anyone else bored?

its been out 3 WEEKS. not months

school should tell you that there are 4 weeka in a single month.

the rest of that run on drivel gave me a headache.

paragraphs for the win

Hmm. i really dont think im exagerating. think of it this way.

Blue weapons are not used..
purple weapons with rare exceptions are not used..
Most rare items above req 11 are not used..


Granted that the statment above will have some exceptions..

but i can get a req 11 15^50 rare item of almost any kinda skin in the game for about 1-5k... that is dirt cheap.. I mean 5k can be earned in less than twenty minutes by anybody that wants to earn it..

Anyone know what a req 8 15^50 spiked axe is going for.. thats right at most 10k..

So i started a new character and before i even got an hours worth of play in i had 10k.. keep in mind most of that 10k was within the first 10 minutes of playing due to a white dye drop.. but i still had it..

So with that ten k i was easily able to afford a grip of items with low reqs and great mods..

I think the best deal i was able to find was a req 9 15 instance barbed axe selling for 6k For a new player this kinda weapon should not be available... they should be scrounging up materials to hit the trader and get some non max items...

what guild wars has done to the economy is equivalent in terms of items to what runners do when taking a person from ascilon all the way to droks right off the bat..

at least thats my opinion.

Look, the game is meant to sell as a standalone package, no matter what you think of it in connection and playing it in tandem with the other chapters. What you're now saying has nothing to do with this thread... you can't have all of your leet gold, and now you're angry, but seriously. The inscriptions are helping a lot of people (myself included), because some of them haven't solo farmed ~700k within the past couple of months and aren't "super-farmers" like you. I'd estimate at less than .3% of the playerbase being in the same echelon that you're in, and your complaints are more like what would be a praise comming from a newbie or someone who has trouble keeping money around and maintaining multiple characters.

Can we PLEASE stay on the issue?

Actually i was refering to the state of the economy affecting the replay value of the game. so this is on topic. but i can see where you are comming from.

But i hope some can understand that giving players "endgame" quality items right away. is not really increasing the enjoyment or replayability of the game.. it only causes further boredom.

This has been my opinion from the time i started. and it boils down to this.

"why play if you have the ability to get everything within the first few hours?"

I am no super farmer by any means. anyone can see the points i have made by making any new player in nightfall and by the time you hit lvl 10 you will have close to 10k easy. and sadly 10k is the type of fundage that can get anyone pretty much any weapon in guild wars.

Think you missed some of the main selling features of Guild Wars (all chapters) it IS a pve/pvp game with a low max level cap wherein a player can gain competitive equipment (read MAX stats) very easily. It has always been the case the max items were available free from collectors or for 5-10k from crafters.... why the heck would anyone pay more for your (not picking on you, anyone elses drops also) junky drops? Anyways I'm just trying to point out that if you can get this stuff from a collector in an hour and slap on a few mods how is any gold or green better? The 'value' of every item dropped in game is guided by only 2 things:
1: how cheaply can I replicate this item
and
2: are there collectors that actually want this particular item for looks or rarity.

The rules that guide the in game economy have not changed, supply and demand still rules. The commonly used stuff has always been easy to get (it just drops more frequenty now, but collectors have always been there). I personally LOVE the inscription system so I can find the right skin just once and make it my perfect weapon. I made a killing in factions farming greens, but got sick of it... now I just wanna explore... inscriptions are bad for people trying to sell their loot to less experienced players, and good for everyone else.

Very good responce. and your right to an extent. I do also enjoy the inscribtion system.. but why would people buy an item from me when another different item has the same stats...

Because i will be the first to admit that people love rare stuff.. i mean if i can be the guy that has the item that no one has.. then heck ya... i will pay 100k +20 ecto for it...

I hate to sound like a jerk and i know i may get flamed pretty bad for this.. but i just have to say it.

We need a way to seperate the rich from the poor in this game. I want that elitism... i love it when people say.. hey nice armor.. or hey thats a bitching sword.. or anything like that. its what drives me to get rare skinned items.

in the beggining of gw we had that eliteism.. the older players had the awsome armor.. the new players had crap armor.. and they wanted good armor.. so they played and got really experienced and got the armor.

I love to stand out.. I love it when people think im the best.. I have that kind of a personality..

I heard a quote along time ago. I dont know the exact wording but here it is..

"we all cant be heros because someone has to stand on the sidlines and cheer them on"

I know im gonna get ripped bad for that.. but its honestly how i feel.. and i belive alot of others feel the same way..

i mean wouldnt it all be boring if we all are the same?

but i have fallen wayyyy to far off topic here.. and for that i apologize.

I'm not gonna give you a hard time, I dont relate tho

one of the best things I love about GW is the exact opposite reasoning
- gear/cash doesnt matter much


if I truly wanted to be an "epic hero" that stand outs from other players, I'd continue playing Everquest and World of Warcraft

both games I quit in favor of GW

Capitalism is in and communism is out. If everybody would look the same and have somewhat the same items GW would become a boring place hence this is on topic.

Without sounding elitist (because it has nothing to do with skill what I'm about to say), I do stand out from the crowd as nobody can get the same colour as I have. Only veterans that bought their monk fow before they changed the dye setup months ago can have this colour if they added it back then. It's a wonderful feeling and it keeps me going. So I understand that people want to look different and have rare skin stuff and whatnot without having an über advantage.

Beginners and the average Joe can have blues, purples, collector's and greens without having a disadvantage. What else is the reason for having them in the first place. I Started with purples, moved on to collector's, then greens and finally golden rare skins. It's part of the fun to go through the several stages. It's a reason not getting bored.

I also have a unique dye color on my monks FoW that you can get no longer. While it doesn't bother me that people can get those types of weapons so early, it was fun for me when I was new, to keep getting better weapons and I bought what I could when I could afford it. Having perfect stuff right off the bat would take fun away from the game.

What I'm bored of at the moment, is I play through it once and it's all the same old stuff again. Nothing is new to me cause I've seen it all, already. It's boring doing quests over and over again, it's boring doing missions over and over again. I'm taking it slow with my other 8 characters but still. Getting armor or rare drops or making money is the only thing that appeals to me..and while I'm still doing it, Anet takes out all the appeal of it. Cause I want to have fun making money to buy things I find fun..but it's not there for me anymore.

I remember the beginning of gw

Ow noos a wammo in FoW just joined the group!! Kick him he thinks he's invincable and solo-farmed for it so has no grasp of team play!

Occasionally I would forget to say this to the team leader with regrettable results.

I understand the need of some veterans for 'bling bling' stuff, and i agree there must be some kind of elitist market for rare skins but i am really against the 'why noobs have to get everything on a silver plater ?! They should have to work for it'.

In fact i played a lot of oldskool MMOs, some of them were kinda hardcore on the elitist way : you had to camp hours and hours just to have a chance to get a 'rare/powerfull weapon'. And in fact now, i'm just thinking i wasted long hours of my life 'working' in a game and telling friends i prefered camping a boss than going to a party IRL.

When i bought GW the original concept amazed me : Finally, a game with less grind than other MMOs, a quite balanced-game where a smart player can be more powerfull than the rich-uber-equiped Killroy Stoneskin, a game where the only difference between players would be strategy, teamplay and intelligent behavior.

Trick is that I have (or want to waste...) less time than in the past to play MMOs, and 'working for power' isn't really my idea of this game. Levelling, getting more power isn't really fun for me, the really fun part is playing intelligent, finding a synergy with others.

For what i see, the 'noob shouldn't get good stuff on a silver platter' argument is just irrelevant. Why ?! Why should a newcomer waste hours of his time just to be able to touch the tip of a veteran shoe ?! There are tons of games like this on the market.
ANet isn't 'breaking the market', they are just helping the beginners getting balanced equipment.

And there is another problem about this 'economy's broken'... In lots of other games i just see richs getting richers and loving that fact. I often witnessed in others MMOs that veterans love to manipulate the market and bring prices up, even griefing 'smaller people' with farming items they don't need, just because it's easy and they can 'force' the average joe to pay big bucks to get an item he really needs.

ATM, i think the situation isn't that broken : there STILL is a high end market for really shiny/rare skins, but of course it's harder to get... So i feel that it's not the 'newbies' that 'want things on a silver plater' but just rich guys annoyed because their ways of making more and more money is nerfed, and that's these rich guys who want more things that sells for big bucks on a silver platter.

I understand that everybody loves uniqueness and rare stuff, but where's the problem in GW ? I just see billions of average players with efficient stuff but with 'ultra-common' skin.


I DO believe that the problems comes from veterans that just want to 'pwn noobs' easily (i dont really mean PvP style, but more like 'look at my uber-sword of leetness', i can slay 1000 charrs with it while you'll finish your's), and this elitism is based on the oldskool system of stats and not smart playing.
And i think THAT makes some nolife-rich-uber-player whine : they played thousands of hours and someone achieve quickly the goals after a single hundred hours because he plays with tactics.

The real debate within GW is in my opinion a misplaced elitism : in GW the pwnage don't comes from bling bling but skills, and that makes too many people cry because they are desesperate and quickly bored not to be able to rise 'over the peasants' even if they got millions of gold invested in stuff!

You have to know that i am always impressed with rare skins, FoW armor, but a LOT more by competent players. When i meet someone with rare equipment and skills, who knoes to lead, and advice a team, i always admit he deserve an 'elite respect', and told this kind of player 'dude, you really rox!'.

Bored because you think you'd deserve a higher rank cause of your uber-gear?! Well... I keep thinking higher rank in GW is gained by gaining a name, socializing, showing others you are smart, friendly, open-minded, and a leader of good advices.
So perhaps... that's boring when some can show their leetness in others MMOs (or like...) by just playing the game for hours get the bling bling and still act humanly as a as***les.

I'm noticing two different types of people that are bored (besides those that want jobs, fishing, etc.)

On the one hand there's posts like yours that say everything comes too easy and that's why people are bored. From your perspective, Too much reward from too little effort = Less Fun.

On the other hand, there's people like me who feel that drops and chests have been nerfed and that making money is harder than it used to be. From our perspective, Less reward for more effort = Less fun.

Buying armor, insignias, runes, and 125 skills for my paragon, plus weapons and runes for my heroes was a loss for me by the time I finished NF. I have some money in storage (and all /bonus items), so it wasn't rough for me. But I can imagine that it would be pretty rough for a new player.

Solution for you: Anet makes more extremely rare and cool looking skins.

Solution for me: Anet improves drops.

And people like myself who are bored and tired of playing "monster tag"; watching mobs and heroes play "catch me if you can"; seeing poor mob monks scream in terror at having their named called as a target and fleeing towards the ends of the earth... or simply put, bored of an AI that is set to run and flee from battle rather than put up a fight... why are they higher levels than the players if they are going to act cowardly anyway? Just make them all level 20 with player "level" stats and skills... since it's acting like PvP; might as well make it that way... right?

Equipment doesn't matter in Guild Wars ?That's the biggest pile of bullshit I've ever heard. The backbone of MMOs is competition .In games like guild wars, equipment is a very prominent means of it. The only reason that Guild Wars is so successful is because it is nothing like it is described as on it's website.

With this new patch, all that PvE has to offer is the storyline, which is very often BORING. If all we wanted to do is go through some story, then we wouldnt be playing a goddamn online game !!

SOME OF US DON'T LIKE PVP. Why the hell cant the devs understand this ?

Frankly, ever since nightfall has released, the game has gotten as bad as any other cheap game out there.

Maybe the Devs should just stop trying to be unique and actually make games which people like, the kind of games that people will waste money on and play on and on for no reason .

But Guild Wars is a CORPG in which all that matters is your skill.... >_>

Equipment-based competition? I think that means "I got better toys than you! " Not sure, but thats what I hear. I really havent seen much of that, but I dont really care if someone has FoW armor. Id rather spend the cost of one piece of FoW foe 2 full sets of Droks(which I find much more useful for diversity in builds.

Most MMORPGs have SOME kind of a story, I think what you want is more of a persistent-world MMORPG, where there happens to mobs to kill, but no real rhyme or reason why, except maybe "Because theyre there".

I agree on the PvP thing. Hell, I had to make a "Guild of One", just to stop the invites. "Oh you need a guild?" "Wanna join a guild?" "Ive got a good guild, why dont you join us?" I never felt I "needed" a guild, nor did I want one(too many are for PvP), and, I just plain prefer to go it alone, where only those on my friends list can reach me. I dont care if people PvP, just leave me out of it.

Good answer I think Anet saw that many items in the economy were vastly overpriced making it hard for newer players to become competitive as they couldn't afford the 'leet' items. Greens got introduced and became the obtainable 'perfect' item. But then there were some items which still went for a lotta cash because of particular mod combinations, well... inscriptions. With more greens on the market than anyone can shake a stick at even a level 10 can get one or two usable greens, but the inscriptions will bring the price down of even the 'leetest' skin making it harder to stand out. I know they aren't the best but here's an example I found some nightmare scythes popping chests a while back... they both sucked, but sold for good money just because all the mods can be changed. I think the inscriptions themselves should be what sells for the big bucks, as the rare skins of old are easier to get perfect now. This is good for us older players who want to have the cake and eat it too. Yay for attainable bling, and yay for cheap good weapons for new players. In balance this is great.
But in any case you make a good point about standing out, heh just being a wamo in fow armor working anymore The really good and expensive items are hard to find. even now so I think there will always be bling.

Just re-read Azures post, and cant get over how expected to be given something like 300k! You can only have 100k in storage, so I guess the rest would be in ectos? And pets arent really useless, if all you care about is money, you can sell them for around 30-80k depending on which one you got. At least, those are some common prices Ive seen, may be a little different now. And "who has the patience for such things" Apparently not you! Really, settle down, games are supposed to be fun for awhile, and not, "Beat game as fast as possible, then endure boredom/nothing to do...". If I ever get bored with a game, Ill play something else for awhile, or Ill read, or watch a movie, something to take my mind off the game awhile.

No... you only can't have over 100k in your inventory. I think it's 1,000,000 for storage. But that's irrelevant.

Still agreeing with WasAGuest.

Bottom line for me is, fix the AI and do away with the inscriptions system and everything will be fine. The new players would still be able to get nice items from collectors, just with crappy skins. There is just no reward for playing this game anymore, hell, there's not even a chance of getting a lucky drop because nothing is rare enough.

I think a lot of new people are saying that things are fine, but when they advance a bit they too will become bored. This wouldn't be the case if things were as they used to be.

Inscriptions system is fine, and great. The challenge would be to find rare skins and things like that, but now, there really aren't any (the single Elite mission will be farmed the F*** to hell anyway), and that seems to be what's pissing the uber-echelon people off. I'm fine with more shinies, and think it would be a lot more interesting and a bigger incentive to play through if you got to pick up some cool loot along the way. So I agree with you on one point Pudin, but I also agree w/ Naruto a bit, and whoever said "drops need to be upped". All have good points :-)

Some examples of what used to keep me interested:
-farming
-off missions (fort aspenwood, alliance battles)
-elite missions
-PvP
-Chest runs
-Help guildies


Now what:

-Farming: I dont think it has much to do with nerfs to farming... people will come up with new ways (methods and builds) to do this.
I think the bigger issue now, is that the motivation is gone to actually get out and kill mobs besides what you need to complete the "story"?. What hapenned to the "whoa! I want that item"? Maybe its the lack of creativity in the skins, or the lack of diversity in rare mods (ANET has the right idea with inscriptions, but making things cheap and common = eh I dont want to play the game to get it, I'll just buy it from Joe over here for 20 GP)

-Aspenwood/elite/Alliance battles: Once we do the "story" we need something fun to do! ....ahem.... (did I mention challenging?)

-PvP: the new campaign always puts a ripple in PvP just like Factions did. The onslaught of new builds and trying to balance unintended exploits will continue. I prefer to let the dust settle.


Needless to day yes I am bored. I've lost that loving feeling

There are far lot activities beside playing pc games. Do some of them instead of wondering why you don't want to play.

If you play straight until you drop dead every day you will get bored of course. It is absolutelly normal thing you know. It is actually worriesome if someone plays something mindlessly and DOES not get bored (some other mmorpg for instance bring that problem which later results from mental state into physical).

So when you feel bored do not try to force yourself to play otherwise you risk to get completely negative feeling for the game. Instead do something else - go outside, see some buddies, chat, read a book, do something for yourself, try some other game, etc etc etc - it is neverending variety here. After some week or two, maybe even several monts you may again regain some interest in the game (wondering about some builds, watching observer mode, reading some news or update).

Remember - noone force you to play.

Well, I read the first page and the last. All I have to say is what I tell guildmembers who say "I'm bored." I DON'T want to hear it. Log off, find something else to do, get a life, but don't log on and complain that you are bored.

Why should they. Keep in mind that most people payed for the game Before The actual update and release of the game.

So most people that purchased the game had no prewarning of the upcoming ai butchery at all. and once they had the game.. began playing.. and then got the update.. a lot of players lost all intrest in the brand new game they just purchased.. Should they take a break?

The game itself is considerd a new release still. so players should not be getting bored.. its due to the HUGE changes in the core gameplay that players are getting tired.. not the actual nightfall game.

Please read most of the thread before you post.. as this is your first post in this thread and your statement has been expressed many times.

WHy should they? Because it's the right thing to do.

As far as taking a break goes, you know she/he is refering to the old players that have played the game into the ground. I know it and you know it. Don't try to make a point by scewing the facts.

Players getting bored with nightfall have, so far, been long time Guild Wars players. After almost 3000 hours of play mostly in Tyria, I was tired of Nightfall also. But not because of the quality of Nightfall, but because I've played this game soooo dang much lol.

Narutoscryed-I know you are pissed at Anet. I am too because of some problems with their ai (enemy warriors kiting). But you come on soooo strong against a differing opinion, it may turn people against your side. You gotta remember, many people may have been total noobs when the AI was changed. By now, They have adapted to the current gameplay and are wondering what the heck you are so uset about.

I remember one of your first posts here. You spoke about the great times you had farming with friends (you expressed it a LOT better than I) I really connected with what you were talking about. Maybe you could discuss with the newer posters the way that the new ai totally screwed you and your friends over.--instead, you're attacking the poor guys and girls with the force you might apply to one of our major posters.

EDIT: My point, give the new posterrs a break and you catch a lot more flies with sugar than vinager.

These new players are going to get bored with this "new" game way faster than they would have if it had stayed the same. I was never bored until the update happened. There's nothing fun about grinding through a game.

I dont think i attacked him at all to tell you the truth.. when someone comes in and right out says they didnt pay much attention to the thread and attempts to have an opinion that striaght says players should stop playing.. ya im gonna say somthing.

I aint here to babyset new forumgoers.. if they want to have an opinion.. expecially the one that dude had.. then im gonna tell them my opinion on it.. if thats rude than sobeit.. but i really dont think it is..

Now had i said something like... well umm i dont know.. Then i would be a total and completly utter asshole.. but seeings how i didnt say anything like that.. i am not.

Im not trying to attract others to my opinion.. i belive that people are entitled to the opinion that they have. im just here to speak my mind.

Now about the whole quitting thing.. dude regardless of whether i have played as much as you say.. and belive me i have not.. to be exact im at 1800 hours.. and 600 has been spent in uw..

so i do play alot.. but not nearly as much as some... what im getting at here is..

anet promises a game.. and i buy that game knowing that i can play that exact game for a very VERY long time.

Then they change a huge part of that game.. and within 2 weeks i am bored...

This is the feeling of many MANY players.. how do i know this you ask?

well unlike other people that just want an opinion to be heard i actually have read every post on this thread and i can spot a few right off the bat..

So no dude.. i was not being any more rude than is required.. because i refuse to let some dude think he can come in here and bash the people who actually are bored with one half assed paragraph.

@ ChildeOfMalkav- Agreed, I recently started a Mesmer in Tyria. Of course pre searing was pretty much the same as any character, I leveled it to lvl 5 , then left. As soon as I started leveling and gaining more and more skills, I realized just how much fun this character is to play.

Here my game was kinda settling into the doldrums when Boom! a whole new way to play arises. I can't wait to shutdown those bosses in the later difficult Missions.

I followed this thread for a bit of time now, but I didn't step in (I am not bored btw, just for the record ), since I think it's everyone's right to be bored, and even voicing that on forums.

Still as for GW I don't think it was ever suggested or hinted at, that you would get to play the exact same game you bought, that would be a standard offline game, you can get off the shelf even after 10 years and run the same way (if you can convince your hardware to run it, that is). But online games and GW too have been changed numerous times and will be too. If you look back at the GW that was released, it was tinkered with on countless spots, skills have been nerfed and buffed, core game mechanics were changed and so on.

Let me say again, you have all your right to be dissatisfied with this, but hinting at that buying GW gives you the right to play the same way forever, is just not right.

my 2 cents
(puts on Mantra of Flame)

No need to put up mantra of flame at all.. you made an awsome point. a very awsome point.

Do you feel at all though that they could have made the change to the ai before people had purchased nightfall in order to avoid this much trouble?

or to at least say that they are changing the core gameplay that severly. that would at least give some gamers a chance to decide if they wanna play that type of a game or not.

To bad for us HXC (yes I used HXC) players that doesn't work. Cause we've done it all! Give me back my boring grinding so I can have fun again. Because for me, this monster AI is making every thing ridiculous, the lack of content for me to use to my own advantage in NF bores me as well. Same old quests, same old story 9 charactes no thanks. But I'm rich so I don't mind as much I just waste my time in GW at Grotto.

Nice that people are still having fun, but well NF is like same old Guild Wars and I've seen it's content.

Yes, I can see where you are coming from...and in theory they probably could have announced it beforehand, but (there's always a but )

- they never did (I know it's not something to refer to, but still major updates were never really announced by Anet). Also I think I can understand their side on this too. Most changes that are altering the mechanics will affect players in all ways (there will be those who welcome it, those who don't care, and those who hate it) putting up a supposed change for open discussion, calls for endless raging at eachother by these people, with very very few constructive criticism and understanding. As far as I know they test these things on the Alphaservers (or whatever they call them) and evaluate the feedback from there. Now, we can't really know if there was some marketing scheme in delaying implementing this after NF release (as a business person, I could even understand that to some extent) or just testing and tuning was finished when it was, but let's give the benefit of doubt here, I say. Even if because they still need you for subsequent chapters, so it's no good losing players whether it is before or after releasing a new chapter.

- also I think the effect of these kinds of changes are hard to gauge from an announcement like this:

I am not too reliant in this thing, since in my PvE play I hardly noticed the changes. But I don't think even if this has been posted before, you could have guessed how it will effect your gamestyle. All it would have done is sparking speculations and rumors maybe, but then again I am not sure in this as I said

- As for farming (since I think the new AI changes hurt them most. Am I right?), I think, based on what I remember from them, Anet is not against farmers as such, so if this really hurted you bad, they might cater for you in other ways, but this is just my speculation again (and my cheerful optimism :P )

Cheers,
Opal

Wow, you're so rich, how a bout spreading some of that my way.lol Give back to the people,so to speak. As a non farmer or merchant, the most i've ever had is around 60 k ( after a few lucky sup vigor rune drops) I'l be on in a bit or tomorrow morning under the name Trvth Jvstice.

ive finally had my GW crises a few days ago.. for the first time since starting prophecies, im looking for a new game to play Im almost through NF, but for some reason am just not feeling satisfied, to the extent Ive now gone and purchased another game. I feel kinda sad about it, even a little more so after finally watching my "making of NF" vid last night, but I guess things change. I might only be able to manage about 35 hours week atm, but Im guessing Ill be cutting this back quite a bit once i complete NF

See, this is exactly why you are telling people to move on and take a break. You have not reached this game's end potential yet, so you do not understand anyone else's perspective. This is not your fault though, how could you when you've never experienced it! Ok, well then just to try and clear it up I'll tell you.

Once you reach the FoW level, or the 15^50 crystalline sword level, this game is done. Even if your a pvper, its just like reaching rank 9 or something. It becomes more of the same, and I know this for a fact because I am in a rank 9+ guild and every1 is very bored now. Ya, you will still play, because even with your 3000+ hours of playing or however much you have played, you really haven't accomplished that much. To me its mindboggling how in all this time you only accumulated 60k. Hell, Ive been playing for 8 months (roughly 800 hours), and I have over 4mil. But, this is not a critism to you, just an observation.

So, with this time, I do consider myself a long time player. And, I understand the odds are against me now, with anything being done. So why fight a losing battle. Dirrty and a few others left, who were the true "elite" players of this game. Bah, I know its impossible to change anything, so I no longer have a desire to participate in this. You guys can continue to fight for what you think is right, but I suggest to just quit now and wait for like GW 2 or something, if it ever comes. That game simply isn't for me anymore, and its a deep shame quite frankly.

you could say this soley on owning *only* Prophecies

so yes, from that perspective, new chapters do nothing for you

I find it mind-boggling how people get that much money! I cant figure out why some of this stuff costs/sells for so much. To me, its all about "Does it do what I want?", and I probably wouldnt recognize alot of valuable items if I fell over them. Been playing a year now, 6 playble characters, 4 level 20, and a little less than 60k. Gotten VERY few golds, maybe 24 tops, probably alot less, often turns out something I think is worth something, isnt. Im NOT bored though, have played 4 characters to level 20, ranger is level 18 now, soon going to Fire Islands, will do same with mesmer. Lather, rinse, repeat with Factions and Nightfall.
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The last several posts were pretty bad. I suppose I was part of it.

We should be careful or they will close this thread. I'll try to get it back on topic.

The way people get so much money is by farming and buying low/selling high, which is a legitimate way of playing the game. Many of the farmers are angry about the new ai making farming less fun and profitable.

Also many players are perturbed at the direction gameplay has been going since the release of Nighfall and have decided that the game is less fun to play and therefore-boring.

Lathering, rinsing, and repeating...its odd how in other games I find it fun to do (ala WoW, btw putting flame shield on) but in this game I absolutely hate to do it. Anyone else get that vibe, or am I the only one .

Nope you're not the only one like that. before i bought GW 17 months ago, i had been playing Daggerfall great game, never got into elderscrolls after that. when i read and picked up GW the frst time it was like daggerfall only online. thats why i have close to 3500 hrs in game so much to do with-out the forced nature of things. now with the AI in the state that it is in, it truelly is more of a BORE-CHORE. its just isnt that thrilling any more. the AI before may have been more predictable and lame to some but atleast then they had some personality. now they are all the same what ever class they are. no more varitey to the AI.