Anyone else bored?

led-zep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by reetkever
Well, for starters Gaile, or any other dev could tell us A-net's stance on farming. I believe that in the past they said that they had no problems with farming, yet they nerf it into the ground. What A-net's saying and doing are 2 different things.

Also, it's nice to know what's going to happen, one of the less good things about A-net is that some things come totally unexpected. Sure, the update was a good surprise to some, but for me, and others, it meant chaos. I was in the MIDDLE of doing something, planned it all out, if it was going as planned, I'd have all the guild traders in my guild now, and maybe a nice FoW armor.

But no, I wake up on a sunny day, get something to drink, get on GW and see that everything is screwed over.

Anyway, if a dev/Gaile reads this: Please tell me what your stances are on farming, and what will happen in the future.
exactly the same with running

anet stated in prophecies that they had no problem with runners (nerfs followed but is still possible) then in next chapter running is totally killed by gates.

part of the reason i wont be getting nightfall, too many nerfs and now the game gets boring very quickly

edit: and before anyone says its because runners are greedy, my old guild did free droks runs and mainly we used to just have guild races around prophecies from area to area just for fun.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

Hmmmm A-net's as blind as a dolyak if they can't see that the current AI is wrong, though.

I also remember reading somewhere that the AI is still a test, though, so maybe it'll become even worse, all casters kiting, warriors spiking the monks...

What I don't understand is why A-net doesn't say why they changed the AI in the first place. It's not to make it more PvP like, or else they failed miserably at trying to do that.

Is it only to stop bots, then? So what if bots find a way to exploit other skills/missions/quests/whatever. Wil everything be nerfed to hell?

I think that A-net's bot problem shouldn't affect normal players. The bots even made the economy better for us, most things are cheap, now look, all materials are expensive, even Minor Vigor is 1K +.

Or does A-net listen to all people complaining that the golden 15^50 rare skinned weapons are worth 100K + x ecto? In that case, they could just as well remove greens from the game, cause everyone can afford the gold version of it soon -_-

Dam Otsosat

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

Russian Invasion

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Ok. Here is some information to those who are bored (me too):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aion_%28game%29
- pay attantion, it will be something new and incradable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_online
- nice game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_MMORPG
- New project. New graphics..., seems it will be very interesting.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/743/743865p1.html
- do you like PvP ? Here you go.

Thats interesting projects by my oppinion.

Am not posting anything about WoW, i think now its hard to start playing it from the beginning, too much things pushing you rush through it without any fun.

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Thanks for posting those links, it looks like that's gonna be the way the cookie crumbles for anet, but I think it's too early to tell. Hehe, with all of there "adapt" bs I wanna see how they adapt to this coming in, and I'm laughing all the way too.

Angelica

Angelica

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Aussie land

Me/E

Woah this post is still going on!


It surprises me too how Gaile was quick to respond to the complain of:"Varesh is too small and she needs a shite" and others already mentioned.

Well to me this is clearly a response too, they will do nothing at all about it, they don't even care to tell us that.

If A-Net doesn't care about us, why should we waste our time waiting for a replay from them? If you are bored, find something else to do, if you are not bored continue to play ......... who cares? Not them!

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

If you can handle SOE and their amazing service... /clears throat

EQ2 is also wonderfuly made and has plenty to do. It's a far change from the first EQ. I've gone that route and am happier for it. Only $9.99 for the classic and $34.99 for all the expansions (in one box). Together, that's cheaper than the circus clown AI of Nightfall.

Still would like to finish Nightfall, but wont bother till the AI is changed away from circus clown mode.

Thought I would throw up another option for those tired of waiting for something to do. /shrug

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

How much is the monthly fee? (ashamed of the question, that I resort to this level because of ArenaNet)

Pudin Tame

Pudin Tame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

TX

Elite Crew

This thread is not about alternatives to GW. Please start another thread for that. Thanks

Trakata

Trakata

Crimson King

Join Date: Jun 2006

Resplendent Makuun

Song of the Forsaken

I too think it's silly that Varesh gets a few pixels taller and a scythe and a 2-page thread about loving ANet (which I did post in, it still remains) gets a response when we don't hear a peep from anyone in here...Personally I don't think Gaile or anyone else will get flamed for posting here...most of the remainder of people posting here are ready to listen to what ANet has to say about this.

And even if she did get flamed, uh, she's ANet's Community Relations. Community Relations is not ignoring anyone who has some harsh words about the state of the game and only paying attention to "Please ANet, make my mini-pet taller!". The job entails listening to the general clamor of the GW community, which I am still an active part of, and responding to that clamor in some way.

Now obviously not everyone is bored, but I still think there should be some response to this thread.

Pudin Tame

Pudin Tame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

TX

Elite Crew

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trakata
I too think it's silly that Varesh gets a few pixels taller and a scythe and a 2-page thread about loving ANet (which I did post in, it still remains) gets a response when we don't hear a peep from anyone in here...Personally I don't think Gaile or anyone else will get flamed for posting here...most of the remainder of people posting here are ready to listen to what ANet has to say about this.

And even if she did get flamed, uh, she's ANet's Community Relations. Community Relations is not ignoring anyone who has some harsh words about the state of the game and only paying attention to "Please ANet, make my mini-pet taller!". The job entails listening to the general clamor of the GW community, which I am still an active part of, and responding to that clamor in some way.

Now obviously not everyone is bored, but I still think there should be some response to this thread.
I certainly would not flame anyone from ANet who posted in this thread. I simply want to know if the problems are being addressed or if they are here to stay. If they're being addressed, ANet will be thanked, and if not, then I probably will not post here again because I will be done with GW.

fiend666

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2006

desciples of astaroth

W/Mo

I admit i am getting bored since nightfall, people dont want to group for missions and quests as much because of heros,
and the replay value has all but dissapeared because farming is now fruitless and takes way too much time, Also the aggro in the torment lvls is unbearable and is no fun whatsoever to play through.

Riceboi

Riceboi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Old school farming in Prophecies was the most fun I've ever had in Guild Wars. The game just isn't the same anymore... I don't see myself buying the next expansion. It's unfortunate because I had high hopes for this game.

ScorpDeception63

ScorpDeception63

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kentucky

Shaemoor University [UoS] (Leader)

W/Mo

eh, i just usually go pvp for a while and come back if i get bored

Trvth Jvstice

Trvth Jvstice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

HALE

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I'm pretty sure everyone is waiting for the soon to be released "huge" expansion before they make up their mind about Anet. Even I ,a die hard "glass is half full" type, am getting tired of the AI change and Anet's lack of response to the GW community's complaints.

I'm not talking about the complaints posted by farmers. They have stated that they are still able to easily make tons of plat farming. Anet's lack of response to posts talking about enemy warriors kiting, enemies being aggro'd from 2.5 aggro bubbles away, hench/hero casters constantly interrupting themselves etc. is what's irritating me.

But still /not_bored. I still love the game. I just think Anet hasn't done a very good job keeping the gaming community informed.

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Trvth, you must have a lot of friends who play this game, am I correct?

Trvth Jvstice

Trvth Jvstice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

HALE

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lacasner
Trvth, you must have a lot of friends who play this game, am I correct?
I have a lot of guildies and allies that I consider friends. Why?

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

I think he's trying to say that you wouldnt be having fun in GW if you werent playing with friends. I dont see how that proves or disproves anything though.

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
I think he's trying to say that you wouldnt be having fun in GW if you werent playing with friends. I dont see how that proves or disproves anything though.
It prooves a significant amount. It showes how I once was, before my 1,000 MEMBER ALLIANCE DISBANDED and quit, along with my real life friends. So, no matter what Anet did, you couldn't be bored, because you would still have this companionship..it's something I had in this game..before people realized the truth about it. And with many things in this game requiring team efforts, truly with no friends now = no success. Sure, success maybe with heroes, but that is subpar in my opinion.

Sidra

Sidra

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

CT

NITE

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dam Otsosat
Ok. Here is some information to those who are bored (me too):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aion_%28game%29
- pay attantion, it will be something new and incradable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_online
- nice game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_MMORPG
- New project. New graphics..., seems it will be very interesting.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/743/743865p1.html
- do you like PvP ? Here you go.

Thats interesting projects by my oppinion.

Am not posting anything about WoW, i think now its hard to start playing it from the beginning, too much things pushing you rush through it without any fun.
A warhammer 40k MMO has got me SERIOUSLY interested


Edit: To agree with Lacasner, I doubt that I'd still be playing (or had bought Nightfall) if I hadn't joined my buddy's guild and then gotten absorbed into his alliance. It's a seriously great place, and I have tons of friends and fun, and definetely keeps me hanging in there. And if THAT ever goes down... *thbbbbbpt*

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by lacasner
It prooves a significant amount. It showes how I once was, before my 1,000 MEMBER ALLIANCE DISBANDED and quit, along with my real life friends. So, no matter what Anet did, you couldn't be bored, because you would still have this companionship..it's something I had in this game..before people realized the truth about it. And with many things in this game requiring team efforts, truly with no friends now = no success. Sure, success maybe with heroes, but that is subpar in my opinion.
I said that it doesnt prove or disprove anything because people are different. Some like playing with friends and some like playing alone. Why do you think heroes are so popular too? Just because someone is playing with friends and enjoying the game doesnt mean he won't enjoy it playing alone. I know that I'm in that category. So ya, your point doesnt really prove or disprove anything.

Sidra

Sidra

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

CT

NITE

R/

I disagree with you Ernada on disagreeing with lac. I think he proves a point, if you're playing a game you may not like by yourself, you hate it, but if you play it with friends, then you might like it a bit more.

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

so you guys call this fun. theres a serious problem.

this is what is taking the fun outa the game.

the first picture is how far the priest kitted away from there stating position.
the second one is another priest in the very next group see what he did.

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pudin Tame
This thread is not about alternatives to GW. Please start another thread for that. Thanks
Sorry, thought we were trying to help each other "out of the boredom". Since Anet isn't willing to do anything, thought I would jump in and offer alternatives to sitting around "bored".

DL Lorre

DL Lorre

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

RIGHT BEHIND YOU.....WITH DUCT TAPE

Children Of The Abysse

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Ok nice picks and i agree now that the aggro is riddiculous.

I'd like to know how the hell i can be attack a spirit from approximately 6+ aggro bubbles (me and a friend actually counted) and have all those Naga aggroed(Out by Sskai). Its like they were uber-intuned with the spirit to know when it was in need.

Havent run into any kiting problems in Factions or Prphecies yet, not going to NF til i
1) beat the game with my dervish
2)Get that Croc i want

I still find it riddiculous however that people are bored at NF alrdy, and the game in general. (Not your fault people). There are people that beat factions in 1-2 days and enjoyed the crap outa themselves from farming, the elites, or Allaince battle (which is the best PvP imo)

Heres hoping for a change for the better in December

*EDIT* Mistakes.....again

Pudin Tame

Pudin Tame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

TX

Elite Crew

It looks to me like ANet has alienated a portion of it's clients, farmers mainly, in order to please another segment. The problem with that is that they took something that we had and expected to be there away. The people who benefited from the changes didn't lose anything. I doubt many people would have quit playing because they couldn't obtain a "vanity" item, but I know of many who have quit because of the AI changes and addition of inscriptions. As of today I am done with GW until things are fixed. I'll check the site for a couple of weeks to see if they fix anything and if not, I'm gone for good.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Ok, I'm still not bored but you may now consider me annoyed as HELL.

Hero Battle weekend, but apparently I can't get there without deleting a character to make a PvP toon first. F%^$ this.

xXa1

xXa1

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

ive spent USD170 on this game already, what a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing waste of money.

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

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I still play this game because of my friends, and guildies. (over one year)
And btw i still enjoy it. And i think who is bored that man hasnt got friends or something to play with, this game is not only for single play its for to play with other people. + Gw has got upgrades every months skill balances, new titles... And about the farm nerf, the 55 hp was too powerful and ebayers can run them in 50(000) computers to get real cash. And if you use your mind a little you can make another build to farm with. Yes its sadly that game where you have to think a little. If you dont want to think or play with friends go and play counterstrike or wow and these shit mmos...

And yes there are many little bugs in that game too like the aggro. The key of this when a priest goes away is to change target and hit another npc. Is it really hard to think out or what?

(sorry for the text mistakes, my english isnt perfect)

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

When I get bored, I instinctively farm. Farming is possible but too slow and not worthwhile so I don't bother. Chest runs enrage me with the number of purples and gold req. 13 canes i get so I don't bother with that anymore.

What's left? PvP? Nah, no thanks.

All I can do is take my 10 PvE characters through the game or go for the grind titles. ZZZzzz

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by keli
I still play this game because of my friends, and guildies. (over one year)
And btw i still enjoy it. And i think who is bored that man hasnt got friends or something to play with, this game is not only for single play its for to play with other people. + Gw has got upgrades every months skill balances, new titles... And about the farm nerf, the 55 hp was too powerful and ebayers can run them in 50(000) computers to get real cash. And if you use your mind a little you can make another build to farm with. Yes its sadly that game where you have to think a little. If you dont want to think or play with friends go and play counterstrike or wow and these shit mmos...

And yes there are many little bugs in that game too like the aggro. The key of this when a priest goes away is to change target and hit another npc. Is it really hard to think out or what?

(sorry for the text mistakes, my english isnt perfect)
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I did have alot of friends in my list, but they all stopped playing except for 2. The Skill balances are only cause of PvP mostly, which I don't do. This makes alot of builds unrelieable, since they can be nerfed every day.

ebayers can also do UW with 50000 computers and make big cash, they can also do junundu wurm farming with 50000 computers and make big cash. Why would A-net take away the fun from a big part of their customers just to get rid of some e-bayers? (BTW cause of lack of farming now, e-baying has been promoted). Thinking of a new farm build to farm melee monsters at the same speed is impossible. Melee monsters are now impossible to farm at great speed, and we can all see the results of that (stuff gets expensive).

The key is not to change attack target. The priest will just come back to lure. Besides, if you have a warrior hench/hero, it won't listen to your command and follow the priest right into 3 other groups.

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by makosi
When I get bored, I instinctively farm. Farming is possible but too slow and not worthwhile so I don't bother. Chest runs enrage me with the number of purples and gold req. 13 canes i get so I don't bother with that anymore.

What's left? PvP? Nah, no thanks.

All I can do is take my 10 PvE characters through the game or go for the grind titles. ZZZzzz
There must be more ways to farm fast, or find another place where you can farm for good money. If you dont find them then go to fow or urgoz(..) with guild team, i say you its really fun. There are many things to do after nightfall,prophecies,factions. And if u dont have a guild and friends from it, find one..

Fred Kiwi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

[cola]

Think of sorrows furnace. That kept me and a lot of people playing for a very long time. Why?

Greens. Greens were rare and were fun to acquire.

But now it seems anet has just abused this system and released so many that people just dont want them.

Sure I agree about newbies having the equipment they want, but the amount of greens there are is just going too far. They should have a large concentrated amount of bosses similar to SF and forget the rest of the map, and then release loads of collectors instead of greens. Everyones a winner.

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Yes, but make it chapter wide, only that way.

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

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Quote:
Originally Posted by reetkever
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I did have alot of friends in my list, but they all stopped playing except for 2. The Skill balances are only cause of PvP mostly, which I don't do. This makes alot of builds unrelieable, since they can be nerfed every day.

ebayers can also do UW with 50000 computers and make big cash, they can also do junundu wurm farming with 50000 computers and make big cash. Why would A-net take away the fun from a big part of their customers just to get rid of some e-bayers? (BTW cause of lack of farming now, e-baying has been promoted). Thinking of a new farm build to farm melee monsters at the same speed is impossible. Melee monsters are now impossible to farm at great speed, and we can all see the results of that (stuff gets expensive).

The key is not to change attack target. The priest will just come back to lure. Besides, if you have a warrior hench/hero, it won't listen to your command and follow the priest right into 3 other groups.
Intresting, my henchies and heroes attack my target hmm. And the wurm farm and these arent worth for the ebayers, it isnt that big money what they could do with solo bot uw. It doesnt worth to operate a computer for 1k / turn. And it still slower. So the remaining is the team farming. Dont say to me u cant farm in The Realm of Torment with 5men groups. The ebayers are loosers everybody know, its like to playing card game with x-ray glasses.
And there are many events where you can farm for worth and fill your xunlai..

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Kiwi
Think of sorrows furnace. That kept me and a lot of people playing for a very long time. Why?

Greens. Greens were rare and were fun to acquire.

But now it seems anet has just abused this system and released so many that people just dont want them.

Sure I agree about newbies having the equipment they want, but the amount of greens there are is just going too far. They should have a large concentrated amount of bosses similar to SF and forget the rest of the map, and then release loads of collectors instead of greens. Everyones a winner.
I sold greens for 30-40k so it worth to farm. I have a solo djinn farming build and it worth to farm (sapphires/rubys). I have a big extra cash from chest running and i have weapons for my heroes from chest running.

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Team farming doesn't work, pretty much nothing drops anymore. Literally, I went to clear a whole area of tyria outside grotto (ice flow) and I opened 3 chests (all purple high req.), and my best drop was a purple armor. I would say I got about 1k for over 45mins of farming that place.

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lacasner
Team farming doesn't work, pretty much nothing drops anymore. Literally, I went to clear a whole area of tyria outside grotto (ice flow) and I opened 3 chests (all purple high req.), and my best drop was a purple armor. I would say I got about 1k for over 45mins of farming that place.
Then abandon that place and find another.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by keli
Intresting, my henchies and heroes attack my target hmm. And the wurm farm and these arent worth for the ebayers, it isnt that big money what they could do with solo bot uw. It doesnt worth to operate a computer for 1k / turn. And it still slower. So the remaining is the team farming. Dont say to me u cant farm in The Realm of Torment with 5men groups. The ebayers are loosers everybody know, its like to playing card game with x-ray glasses.
And there are many events where you can farm for worth and fill your xunlai..
My henchies and heroes also attack the first target. I target priest, priest kites, I target elementalist, Koss first runs after the priest for 10 seconds, after that realizes that I clicked on the elementalist 10 times, and then comes back with 3 groups he aggroed.

Now you said it yourself. Wurm farm and UW isn't worth it. (Wurm farm gives about 6K per run, while 55HP monks only got 1K/500 gold per run, but I-monks were way faster).

Team farming is not worth it. Even when solo-ing, the drops when using 55HP monk were rather lousy, now you only get 1/5th of these drops. Not to mention that IF you get lucky, you find a weapon with req 8 and 15^50, it's only worth 10K. (I used to be FRIGGIN happy with a gold 15^50. It was the best drop I could possibly imagine, it was just worth it to see 'Damage + 15% (While Health is Above 50%)' after Identifying the weapon. Now, it's nothing.

There hasn't been 1 event yet where I could make good cash.

-Double key drop/double chance on goldie from chest event came close, but that was back then, when chests were worth it and when actually enough monsters could be farmed to drop keys.

For the rest, the events are ****. Triple green event. Wow, we now have a 0.0003% chance of getting a green instead of 0.0001%. But wait, there are 8 people in a party, so that percentage goes down...

Ebaying gold is something I would never do, though. I don't farm for the gold only, I also farm for the farming. Farming itself is great fun in my opinion. The kicks of finding a good drop, and actually seeing the gold growing in your storage. Heck even games were made out of farming (Guild contests, first who gets *whatever* wins 10K or something like that.)

But now all the stuff, chest running, farming, exploring, etc isn't fun anymore. The only thing left to do is doing the missions and quests.... 8 times.

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by lacasner
Team farming doesn't work, pretty much nothing drops anymore. Literally, I went to clear a whole area of tyria outside grotto (ice flow) and I opened 3 chests (all purple high req.), and my best drop was a purple armor. I would say I got about 1k for over 45mins of farming that place.
Everyone knows Mursaat and Ice Imps are legendary item droppers.

Farming has been slowed somewhat, I've made about 80k this week selling inscriptions / weapon drops. PvE has been a little boring prior to Nightfall for me, the game actually made things briefly more interesting, with new areas and such.

Midnight Harmony

Midnight Harmony

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

South East England

Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP]

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The only thing I do in Nightfall now that I've completed the story is chest hunt.