Anyone else bored?

Well said! Tyria definatly brings back those good old memories, and this warm feeling that reminds you of all the fun advantures you had back then. All the funny inncidents, like looking at the masses of 55monks running out of augary before the great nerf hit lol. I still remember myself shocked to see Rurik getting killed from the dwarves, and getting a pug was sooo easy. Was fun.

With this new hero thing, everything just suddenly turns dead... Almost everyone in an outpost/mission area are grouped with heros, because my guilds dead too I cant party with anyone!

Give us the old feeling of GuildWars back!

but for now... yes /bored

Cape trims are key. and the monetary aspect. very high-end pvp can net you some cash. Plus, some people find competition and tactical thinking more fun than grinding alliance faction so you can pwn House zu Heltzer for some hot greens.

bored? GvG with your guild. Team arenas, Heroes' ascent. If I wanted pve grind I'd play world of warcraft.

I finished NF few days ago and for the whole time, I only played with real people once (in the mission where you have to kill the 2 runners). And it was terrible, you know the deal, WMo's and DMo's, party wipeout, everybody calling everybody noobs.... And I used to play with real people in Prophecies and Factions all the time. But here, all you can see in outposts are groups of four (a player with three heroes, hasnt chosen henchies yet) and eight (a player with three heroes and four henchies). Pretty sad.
But hey, I still love the heroes. They give an average PvE player the opportunity to make team builds, which is fun, even only for 4 characters.

I appreciate your view, Thom. I just personally don't care for pvp and rather dislike Anet's catering to that small group at the expense of pve. Although I do understand why they do: pvp is much more news worthy and "exciting" with the competitions.

*rant* If I want strategy and tactics I play the Total War game series or any other RTS. Military tactics with armies and environment considerations against other players or smart ai is much more fun then pvp against quitters and other jerks. Apologies for those pvpers who are not jerks or quitters. I do know you are out there. There are just far too many players without civility or honor out there.*/rant*

As for boredom, I have found myself having problems retaining enough interest in nightfall to get my main character through it. Can't quite figure out why. Perhaps I should take a break and spend some time forging empires out of blood and steel on some RTS.

GW would be alot more appealing to me if it returned to prophesies-like stage.

I miss farming, but i think that anet should implement some "rare" items such as elite items being a lil better than before which are tradeable but "stick" to a person, meaning once someone tries it on, it is not usable by anyone else.

I had also wished that leveling scheme would be updated after proph, to something like Diablo 2. Getting 1-70 or 80 is relatively easy if you follow the plot-lnes, but from then on, it becomes very hard, and you actually have to team together to defeat a lvl 90 or whatnot, and level 100 is just-damn near impossible.

However, ive been playing wow lately, so i dunno

I can tell you what would help this game, a LFG window were you could find people without spammin for help. I would love to see a window with someones name and mission they were looking for help on and then i could just join them, also it would cut down on the number of people feeling like they are playing a single player game.

I can tell you what would help this game, a LFG window were you could find people without spammin for help. I would love to see a window with someones name and mission they were looking for help on and then i could just join them, also it would cut down on the number of people feeling like they are playing a single player game.

I'm bored with being frustrated by the game's AI. that's really my biggest complaint. I don't mind the economy nerfs, I made my bit back in the day and it's easy to maintain once you have it. The AI does make it frustrating to progress. I just gave up on NF. I don't even play it anymore. I play factions and prophecies.

How anyone can miss or like farming is beyond me, but for me nightfall not only gave me incentive to finish its storyline but also gave me incentive to finish the other two. I kinda ran out of steam in the desert in Tyria.

For me Nightfall is far superior.

I have played GW for over a year now, in fact my other half and i are the only ones left from a guild of around 25 to still play , the others defected to WoW a couple of months after Factions came around.
Prophecies for me is the best by far of the trilogy, even after finishing the game with my characters, there were the Titan missions, the joys of getting smashed to bits the first time out in mineral springs, the skill capping , getting a crew of guildies together and fighting our way from Droks to Beacons Perch (and we did it ) and having the ability to be able to go anywhere and earn a little bit of gold to supplement, your characters armour, weapons etc.The game was a learning curve for example my Monk came through prophecies, ascension , then moved on to healing parties in SF and Fow, then moved onto bonding, finally he morphed into a 55, i found this challenging and fun plus it gave me the chance to again earn money.
Then came Factions which if im honest was a culture shock but nonetheless i finished it with three characters and enjoyed it .
Then comes NF, and the accompanying update which in my opinion, has completely emasculated the spirit and feel of the previous two chapters, the heroes for me are soulless companions on an ever increasing grind to get through the game , they have all the skills , including the ones unavailable in Elona, Spiteful Spirit, Hundres blades etc.
The game now has turned into a single player online experience and is all the poorer for it, i am currently in Kodash Bazaar and i think that is about as far as i can bear taking it, i have completed every quest and mission that was available to me to get to this point , so as to try and find the same immersion i got from Prophecies and to a lesser extent Factions, this has not been forth coming and frankly i am bored, of running the length and breadth of Elona chasing high lvl mobs for rubbish drops, added to which the amount of chests seems to have decreased and the content is awful.
NF for me is stagnant and uninspiring and i doubt if i will get one character through it to finish let alone the rest of them just through the tediousness of it.
To those who say adapt , well i have adapted to the AoE nerf that rendered Ele nukers obsolete in SF, the minion cap etc didnt bother me too much , but the loss of what can be construed as a freedom of choice,ie where i can go what i can do does bother me , and no i am not just another farmer , although farming for me was just as much fun and challenging , as the missions and quests, the new update for me has killed a part of GW that made it different , and a notch above WoW (i have WoW and i cant stand it).
To those who say, 'well take a break or move on', for me it may well come to this, but i will do so grudgingly feeling more like i am being forced out of the game rather than falling out of love with it,if this makes no sense then it is because it is late ish and i am tired, but needed to get this off my chest.
To all those who i have met in game it has been a long road well travelled, but i think the journey for me is nearly over.
*Edited as requested , and thanks for the compliment ,)

I think u guys should take a break from the game (actually i bin bored too), the sad truth is a game formula can only last so long until it gets boring, and people are starting to experience that.

im getting bored with gw too lately... its quite sad i enjoyed the prophecies so much. but the late nerfs to ai, farming and pvp too is just too much. heroes ascents is really HEROES ascent, hero battles are more barren than the sulfurous wastes and pvp is owned by unkilleable paragons ala old time rt spammers. Farming is harder and not as fun as before (but its still possible) and the bots own this game. Sure, its a great addition to the game but it should have its limits in pvp. The bugs in ai, quests and the rest of the game are beginning to get on my nerves more and more. And the missing content of the elite mission. I feel a large dislike and sense more and more peopel are feeling the same way in my guild and alliance. This game is going slowly down the drain...

Uhh... Diablo 2 scaled mobs in power depending on the number of people in game, because it was a game build around optimizing a single character. There was no mob or area in diablo 2 that could not be soloed easily.

Agree, I play GW for the PvP aspects more than for the generic PvE.

I don't think the main problem would be the heros. In fact, anyone could beat the game using just henchies. So the people that was used to use just henchies will continue to prefer them over PUGs, but this time using hero's instead of henchies.

I believe the main problem from GW is limiting some sort of gameplay like they always do by constantly nerfing skills, and most recently the AI nerf. Yeah it's true that before the AI was kinda predictable, but what's the problem with it? That will just make us people define a precise strategy to beat it.

A good example of this was the Tomb of Primeval Kings. When it was implemented people had a really though time beating it, until the barrage's teams came up. That had nothing to do with the AI, basically Anet put us with some difficult content.
This just proves that in order to make things challenging, one doesn't need to see the AI changed.
I like farming, what's the problem with that? I've finished the game and basides capping skills what's the main objective now? Why removing a part of the game that I enjoy, like farming?

Some great statments have been made in the last few posts. That alone is reason enough for anet to come and look at it.. but sence they wont.. i would like to say that i have enjoyed reading most of the recent six or seven posts..

But angelic upstart.. i belive you nailed the true essence of what alot of pve players feel.. your post was awsome.. please edit it into paragraphs so others can see how great of a responce it is....

I belive the general attitude is because of the fact that every time the pve players get a leg up on the game. an update smacks it down... after a while.. you get the feeling that your being forced out of the game.

I dont know if this was anets intention.. but it feels that way..

I also enjoy some pvp.. in moderation.. but thankfully im in a guild that has some of the best pvp players i can think of.... so i am able to get into a decent group whenever i feel the need to pvp.

as of the nightfall release the general impression of pvp that i have seen is.. 1 player and 5 heros running a survival build.

This has been most of what i have seen in heros ascent. and although easily beaten.. it still will get on your nerves..

And although i do say i enjoy some pvp... my true happiness comes from pve.. In the old days i used to enjoy going to do a mission and asking to join a group of real people...

Some of my best memories have come from pug groups, And also some of my worst.. but all are memories that will be with me forever because of the strong personalities behind the characters...

With nightfall... heros have killed that experience.. towns no longer have people looking for groups.. they just have 1 player with 7 henchies... that to me is sad..

The hero system and ai update have also cause another unseen issue.. how many people here are loosing members of the guild they belong to?

how many guilds are now dead? people are loosing out on the oprotunity to meet new and exciting people.. the heros are causing this..

with the lack of intrest in pug groups.. comes the lack of recruiting power for a lot of guilds.. i know that my guild never would go to town and spam for new players.. we would usually see a player in a mission and depending on that players performance and availability we would invite them.

i have met many great friends this way..

yes sometimes you get an annoying pug group.. but alot of the time pug groups worked just fine... but part of the challenge of the game was to find a good pug group...

and you cant tell me that it was never fun when the whole group totally bagged on the dude who was a total jerk in the group..

lol i remember one time we had an ele in our group. and we were doing the mission where you have to go kill some massive squid dude.. it was in factions in the jade see.. anyways... the dude is a total ass and he wanted to do somtihng that the group did not agree on.. well i kindly told him that myself and another monk guildy of mine are in charge of healing.. and that if he does not comply with the group.. he will die a very painfull death..

the dude go totally mad and said he could kill the last boss by himself.. we laughed for about 20 minutes when the dude ran in and got blasted. good times..

Sadly those time cannot seem to be had anymore.. because it is really hard to share a good laugh with a robot.

regardless of who is on what side. and regardless of who flamed who..... we are all missing out on oprotunities to make amazing memories... think back on some of your best ingame memories..

i bet non of them came from a full hero party.

Great post Angelic upstart. I could believe it's normal that we all feel nostalgic looking back at Prophecies, hell I sold black dyes at the merchant, how noob it was, but at the same time how great finding all those new things about the game.

As the game grew, obviously one would now be totally adapted, and not react to some things the same way.

Curiously one of the best times I had was playing the Deep with PUG's. I really laughed the hell out of it with some Pugs, it was really great. I deeply hope that the elite mission will prohibit henchies and hero's from going in.

I've also tried Wow, and I really dislike the fact that I had to PUG all the time. I believe it's great that you have the option of PUG'ing or not.

I was suprised to see this post still on the front page; I finally gave up on a fix and started playing another online game (no not WoW /shiver). Still hoping for a fix though as I would love to finish the chapter.

Angelic's post is pretty much dead on.

I can also relate to her saying people were bolting after Factions. When it came out, my guild went nearly insta-WoW fever. They said "Factions is too much like PvP". What was left of us, stuck it out and tried to rebuild. Gathered some alliance members and kept going.

With this AI update trying to be PvPish; the guild and alliance is now down too 4 members. "Too much like PvP" or "No longer fun to play" are the reasons the rest of us have bolted. Those that have stayed claim they will enjoy what they can, but will not purchase Chapter four. State of the Game is no stable enough to get comfortable with as someone above said "once you get a leg up on it, Anet changes the rules". After so many times, it becomes pointless to keep trying.

Majority of my best memories are before Factions was released when the game was much more fun than it currently is now.

I'm bored as well, the game seems to have lost its soul abit

I can say this about any online game ive played


my best memories of Everquest was before any expansions

my best memories of Dark Age of Camelot was before any expansions

my best memories of Diablo2 was before any expansions

and I'm sure WoW players will say the same thing once the WoW expansion is released


expansions rarely match or exceed the "original" experience

I'm to the point now that I'm just hanging on for the next update. If there aren't some major changes to the gameplay, I'm done. The AI is horrible. There are no truly rare items since anyone can make any item perfect. The grind in NF has made it so that I can't even bear to finish with my second character. I need skill points to buy skills, but there's no fast way to get them anymore, not to mention the fact that they cost 1k each and nothing has any value anymore. The old armors are now useless along with the old weapons so we're stuck with the crappy NF skinned armors. I really don't see how anyone thought this was a good idea.

Well some of that is due to some similar complaints that you're making. The inscription system applying to NF only items so that people won't go berserk over their Tyrian/Canthan stuff being "worthless"

Funny how your one complaint about there being "no truly rare items" because of the inscription system was actually the cause of your other complaint about being stuck with "crappy NF skinned" items. Hopefully they will eventually allow the inscription system to be global. Still, that won't fix your complaint about no truly rare items..... but whatever.

I do agree with you on the cost of skills, though. They really should lower the capped price on them.

Do you troll in every thread on Guru? I swear I see you posting everywhere just taking a contadictory approach to anyone with a valid point. Why don't you go play GW. You seem to love it so much.

Oh noes! I contradict people! I must be a troll! Oh wait, you're disagreeing with me, so you must be a troll too!

And you're wrong. If I posted in every thread that I disagreed with, I'd have a billion posts. And stop with the troll accusations. They're getting really old and boring. Seriously.

And I'm at "work" and I don't always play GW every waking hour.

A troll post is one that completely goes against what the vast majority of forum members think and is done simply to provoke a ton of protest posts.

Sid's post simply disagreed with someone's opinion. It's obvious that the person he quoted made a huge generalization and exaggeration in their post. = not a troll

Wow, I wasnt aware that disagreeing = trolling. Ill make a note. From what Ive seen in posts here, and in in-game chat, the weapons with inherent mods are still rare, though "perfect" items are more easily obtainable. I have no use for inscriptions(no NF yet), but it would be a great convience, instead of having to go on missions/quasi-farm in high level areas, in hopes of getting a max damage weapon I can put a mod on.

You are the definition of a troll. It's not an accusation. Your employer must be proud to have such a hard worker.

He said "truly rare". It's much easier to get a rare skin in Prophecies than it is to get one that's 15^50...that's rare.

Disagreeing does not a troll make, but when every post in every thread posted in is a disagreement. That = troll.

Thanks Trvth Jvstice and Gorebrex. I was starting to think the definition of trolling was changing...

And Pudin Tame, Keep those throwing those troll accusations at me though...doesnt make you look like one at all. No sir-ree.

The difference is, I agree with people. You agree with no one. You've made countless posts just today. You've even complained that when you report people who don't agree with you nothing happens. That should be clue number one. Do you work for ANet by chance?

When did I ever say that? And obviously you have no idea what trolling means. You can't find a valid point to argue with me, so like so many others, you resort to the cry of "troll!" instead.

Now, keep derailing this thread please.

I've been following this post for a awhile and I just have to say that I agree, its been harder and harder for me to continue playing guild wars now with all the new updates. I've only gotten one character through nightfall, all the rest are stuck in sunspear sanctuary because i don't feel like grinding them to sunspear general or that getting them through the missions just dont feel as fun anymore.

Master of ascilon is right about the items being to cheap.


as of right now i have in my possession about 800k about 300k of it farmed post nightfall release..


At this point im having trouble finding an item of intrest that i would like

i already have fow armor so no need for that.
i already have a good dwarven axe and no need for that
i do not like crystalines.. so no

and all the supposed new skins are gonna be about 60k here in a few weeks.. like the ele sword and all the dead items.. and the feiry gladius and defanatly gonna be almost worthless...

so he is right about items being worthless..

and with that kind of wealth just sitting around alot of players that have already purchased those three things..i stated are sittting around wondering what to spend money on next...

So if you have FOW armor, dwarven axes and crystalines then everything else is rendered worthless? Whether that is true or not, the majority of players don't even have a single one of those items. So items are very much worth something to those people.

Your case is just a case of someone who has just played too much and can't find anything else to do because you've done it all. Hardly ANET's problem that you're sitting on your vast wealth and finding nothing to do anymore. The majority of people sure aren't in the same boat as you.

you kno wut bores me in NF? heros. yes they are fun but nf seems like a 1p game rather than a mmo...

This thread is a case of alot of people arguing (SP?) against other peoples view/opinion, or taking a specific point expressed and trying to rip it to shreds.
You can't argue opinion, being bored or not being bored is an opinion.

I am not currently bored, still in the category of 'not bored yet'.

Once you get rid of the chaff this thread boils down to a couple points:
1. Some people are bored, and are voicing their opinions about it, regardless of the reason most never had this problem after finishing the prior chapters.
2. Some people are not bored, and are voicing their dis-belief that anyone can be bored this early after Nightfalls release, and voicing ways to alleviate that boredom.

Everything else has been outside the bounds of the discussion started by the OP. There has been flaming and trolling on both sides of this issue/debate, and quite frankly I am disgusted by it.

You are so right that the opinion of someone being bored can't be argued. But you can argue with some of the reasons people are giving.

For instance people saying "I'm bored because items are worthless" I can argue that items are not worthless. I am not arguing with his opinion of being bored. I can argue with people saying that they're bored because everyone is leaving. Because obviously people are still playing.

I'm disappointed in the way things have devolved in this thread too. But a lot of it is because too many just can't handle disagreements. And I'll say it again, most people arent disagreeing with your opinion but questioning some of the reasons that some of you try to pass off as facts.

No one here has said "Shut up! You're not bored!" In fact, the other side has accused people of lying about not being bored just to support their side and make arguments.

hmm.. good point.. but the ammount of money i have is not as important as the ammount of money that any item costs...

Please allow me to explain.. lets say a player starts playing nightfall.. only nightfall its his first game in the series.. he playes untill yohlon refuge.. by that time that player has enough cash to buy his armor.. and almost any other perfect item in the game that he wants...

Now all he has to do is use his full group of henchman to farm greens with the henchie exploit and sell them quick..

In under the period of a day.. a player can afford about 90% of ingame items..

Now i may play to much.. this is obviously true.. but the player that has played for about 50 hours having that high of a percentage of ingame items available to him... well that seems to me a little problem that may need fixing..

But i for one have never really had a problem with items being insanley expensive.. even when i was new i totally dug the concept of items that blow your mind with the ammount of money they cost.. now only a few ingame items even come close to that.

And i do know that guild wars is a game that was not meant for grind.. and encourages ballence...

but i dont think they wanted a game that just hands you everything on a silver platter right off the bat...

I think you're exagerrating a bit too much there. The new player that you used as an example wouldnt know about that exploit that you mentioned. I only knew about it a couple days ago from reading the forums.

And then you claim that the same new player can afford any one of 90% of items in the game in under a day. Even if that were true (which it isnt, not for new players especially after you said the same new player also bought some armor) how is that a bad thing to be able to afford at least one item for a day's worth of play? Being able to afford any one item of 90% items doesnt mean you have 90% of all the items.

i don't know were to start.... ive played this game for over 14 months..
when i first heard of faction i was exited sure i was and it really came over me it were funnier to play then i expected i liked it alot i started my warrior there since i found it easy to get those 30 extra attribute points.

Then almost b4 u landed faction they started to talk about some Birthday pressent for ure char's taht been created for a hole year and i though like "yes ima get a nice pressent atleast im getting sumething back from this dumb char"
and what happends, they are giving out some stupid USELESS PET! and its not enuogh there they giving the pet ranks Like Green, Purpel, Gold and grey so now u getting a totally retarded pet and it's merch abel... wtf is it a joke i though from begining... and checked if i got any gold also as i hopped for i would rather get 300k of money as a thank for playing the game, nothing but a useless pet wth....
now when GW:N hass been released for some months they have nerfed the funn in the game like the farming and aggro is screwd up can't do anything like b4 atm u need to have some stupid titel to get anywere at all annoying that u have to get general rank and Lightbringer i cant see what's gd in GW:N at all, it's like they are only thinking about the new players and forgetting the old players like me and alot of others all around the world we should get some sort of credit after playing the game for so long taking so much time and now the game suddenly got so boring cuz all the nerfs and it all started for me at the birthday pressent : P for me its like ive wasted 400kr (35$) and what about those Heroes, sure the Ele's are better then henchie ele's but the monks suxx and u need to rune them and everything wtf who got patience for such thing, Elona suxx its mainly the new skills for pvp since u needed to be uptaded there and i really think they releassed GW:N to quik after factions.

to make this game abit funnier to play would be if some of those nerfs were retaken and Anet would care more about thos who have played the game for so long (fckin pet) im not calling it wasting since it was funn but now it's like i can vomit eachtime i see the icon on my desk i can cry of boreddom cuz of it.
i even bought this Z-Board with faction keyset for the game i so loved it i don't wana ragequit this game ive played it for so long l liked it very much i got no other game to relay back, this isnt giving me much choocie but to quit the game i don't know what to do after spending 2,511 hours over 14 months at the game... im both feedup and sad about it hope some1 else then me feels the same way..

and btw whats up with thos monsters in last part of game Rain of terroe Etc. its groups of 8-10 monsters at lvl 28 they have like 400 attribute points striking AL 80 for 146dmg That isnt normal!
i agree on that monsters should be harder to kill but u dont have to make them super inhuman..

please reply and don't write i havnt tried play the game, those last few weeks has been a pain.