Anyone else bored?

Yeah see... no?

A. thats a completely different platform

B. that has nothing to do with what we're debating

C. it's not TEDIOUS. it's boring as hell to play when we can't play it how we want. We're not complaining about lack of money, or whatever you want to peg on us. we're complaining about the continued crippling of players playing how they want to.

It's almost like they're trying to say "PuG standard builds only!". They take away unique skill combinations in favor of those that work but don't do as well for people. I just would like to know why.

I'm pretty bored with GW right now.

For me, it's the grind created by Sunspear points.

I started a new paragon, but decided things were just moving too slowly. So, I decided to start going through Nightfall with one of my existing characters. All was going well until I completed the Command Center quests and found out that I had to go farm 1,600 (!) Sunspear points before I could advance the story.

What's up with that?

If you think that playing trough the game is "grinding", you simply don't like this game. Period.

From what i understand some players love to do this:

1:Buy expansion
2:Look on line wich area's are best to farm.
3:Find out wich build is the current cookie cutter setup to farm (since the last patch that nerfed the previous one).
4:Find a runner to get them there and start to kill the same boss 2000 times.
5:Buy fow armor on the day of release.Delete character a week later.

Is that what a whole new continent is for? And then they complain about grinding...

Remember Diablo2 where no one ever played trough act one anymore and just found someone to teleport them to Andariel? Or how the same guys just skipped the entirity of act three and went straight for Mephisto? The only thing they wanted was to get acces to the cows in Hell difficulty,and start milking them asap(literally). Not my favorite memories i must say.

If this is directed at me, you missed my point entirely!

I would like nothing more than to play through the game. However, when my current Primary quest is to go become a Sunspear General by earning 1,600 more Sunspear points, it feels very much like arbitrary and artificially-lengthened gameplay.

To add insult to wasted time, the quest even tells you to go talk to priests to earn bounties by killing random mobs! (or "earn their trust," as the quest says)

That's what this game is about: Killing things in creative ways. And open some chests,grab some loot or capture an elite skill wile you are at it.

Before reading my reply, note that I haven't read all the posts made here yet. So I hope i'm not repeating someone else (-:

Basically Guild Wars gets boring, hence the release of new chapters with their new content. But what makes it worthwhile for me playing it, is the Survivor Title... Acting like in real situations, where once you get spiked, you just try to run for your life! This 'constant fear of dying' has actually improved my tactical senses and can give you a nice adrenaline-boost IRL (-:

However, there are two down-sides on this approach:
1) Once you're dead, you sometimes feel like stopping with the character... Strange but true...
2) Those nasty server lags and 007 caused two of my characters to die without me even knowing it. One time I got close to Indomitable survivor, and the other time when I was three quarters of the third survivor title.

I think that in general each person has her/own views/expectations of the game. However, noone can say that he/she plays a game and NEVER gets bored after a while... This may be counteracted by playing less frequent or as ANet does, bring out new content once in a while. Other possibilities are:
- Helping out guildies (fun and social event)
- Organizing weekly or monthly guild-based events to, for instance, cap elites or obtain Masters in Missions.
- Etc, etc...

My two eurocents on the issue

For me the game is boring at this point for one reason; the current AI is no longer fun to combat against. It's like herding cattle, or chasing "Chicken Little" after he screams "The sky is falling!".

It's not difficult, challenging, just repetative and after 20 minutes, dull. For me, it's not about farming, or running either; simply about playing the quests and missions as they come. I love the new sunspear points and have never had to actually work for them. Grab bounties as you come across the shrines while you are out on a quest. I seemed to max out my sunspear rank by the time I get to the Cemetery Mission by doing all the quests, then hitting up the Primaries.

Anyway, yea, it's boring right now and not fun at all; simply because the AI is so poor. Playing a game based on combat and adventure should be a game based on that... not playing tag...

If there is one point with wich i aggree, it's that the next chapter should not be "more of the same". Something should be implemented that totally renews interest.

Like heroes right now...

Yeah I started NF again with my ranger...

Saw I needed 2,000 sunspear points to advance. 2 hours later I did and got the hero's i need later to level 20 in the progress.

If anything the only real grind I had in this game is when I was capping with my Dervish. Took me 4 hours to cap 12 skills, not because of the game, but because GuildWiki was loading really slow

All those who are quitting because life has ended! Can I have your pre-nerf farmed gold and items so I can make my Mesmer look pretty, please?

Wow, some people really don't understand....

So you are bored of playing the game, but you love to farm... wich is the most boring thing there exists...

K, so this topic is actually about ppl who love to farm but can't farm decent anymore in Nightfall.

Little advice: wanna farm? buy WoW.

Again, this post isn't about fricking farming, understand that...

Btw, you can take it how you want to take it but if this game adapted some of WoWs open ended endgame content people wouldn't be quiting, maybe we'll see that in Gw II...if it ever comes.

How is running after monster more boring than static battles we had before?

If you've already finished Nightfall you're not taking your time.. or you have a lot of time on your hands. I'm not saying that's a bad thing.. I've finished Nightfall but my friend is still at it and enjoying it. So slow down if you can. If you don't want to..

well you can play a different game untill there is more updates.. it's not like you have to pay to play.. and the beauty of a lvl 20 cap is that you can go away for a few months.. come back and not feel completely behind.

Why would a company not want people to play their game and take a break?

There are other people who are bored and they are not farmers. In fact in my guild nobody likes repetetive gameplay. That includes farming. Still there is nothing to do and, in my opinion, farming is even less boring then doing the fedexquests with all your characters.

And to the "go to wow" statement. If all people, who are getting disappointed, would do it, you would wonder how empty the gw-world would get.

This thread absolutely, positively doesn't surprise me.

Play the PvE Beta. Check.

Storm through the game with a maximum size party/with heroes. Check.

Cookie-cutter farming builds are no longer effective against new AI. Check.

New "perfect" gold items are now obtainable through inscriptions. Check.

With each of the above, I think that anyone who is "bored" should rethink how they play the game. I heard many of the same complaints with Factions within two weeks of its release. It absolutely, positively doesn't surprise me to see the same with Nightfall.

As others have said, if this is the way you like to play, it's time to take a break and revisit the game in a month. To me, I prefer not to play in any of the ways above, and it keeps everything fresh.

Because they "statically" flee vs fight back. Thus the game becomes a reverse kiting game. I want a fight, not a game of tag.
Chasing a foe that doesn't even fight back or cast to save themselves is not fun, and after while, becomes a complete bore. Compound that problem with snares and slows and the mobs can't even flee... they limp away while being torn apart from behind.

How is that fun?

Anyway, yea; it's pretty much a very boring game in it's current state; which is a sad thing as Nightfall has so much to see and do; yet the AI is destroying the enjoyment of it.

I never encountered this problem of mobs running without defending themselves, so I can't say... All I see is they more often run to my casters, or their monks try to flee, but with Knockdown or snare, I have no problem in fights...

I don't know about farming though...

I rushed through nightfall on my now deceased monk and beat the game about 3 days after the public release. I did find that after that I was a little bored with playing through the game again with a new character, but I found that doing quests as I go helps a lot as with my monk I skipped anything I didn't need to do to progress in the game.

You'd be surprised at how many people chose not to rush through NF on an existing character for fear of becoming bored. I'd say it's a pretty wise way to go about the game.

Absolutely, positively agree 100%. This may be the source of some of the discontent.

Playing with heroes has made the game incredibly easy, up until the later stages of the game.

What is the result of that? It speeds up the game. That and it takes some of the frustration (and no matter what you say, frustration actually CREATES fun as you overcome that frustration) out of the game from playing with inherently-flawed PuGs.

Speeding up of the game + making it easier/less cooperative = much easier to become "bored".

of course you'll be board if you rush through nightfall at that pace >.<

There shouldn't be a right or wrong way to play a game, in mostly all other games any pace you play at should be fun for you, why does this game have to be different?

Well its only a game. Its not meant to last for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Take a break, go and buy a new game.

Its like reading a book. Once you've read it, you can reread it if you want, or get a new book. It'll never last forever.

They have a support system that tells us to post on the Fan sites where the devs will read our complaints and our suggestions.

I am sorry for this.. i dont wanna sound like a pompus ass. but i am seeing alota good posts by some great members here getting hit pretty hard with some of these "If this is how you play" arguments..

You say one of the check mark is a "cookie cutter farming build"? and that we "rushed the game with a max sized group"?

Once again im sorry. but i think i need to remind you just who invented that cookie cutter that you yourself prolly use to this day.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10071188

So please i realize your point.. but you really cannot just accuse us of rushing the game and that is why we are bored..


i know plenty of folks that took plenty of time with the game their first time.. and still have come out bored.

The issue here is not the pace that we took the game.. its the fact that the games content is being so centralized into one aspect. that it is leaving no room for enjoyment after the completion of the game. IE: running,farming

and we as consumers need to inform anet that this is not the route to go if they want a continuing fanbase for the games that they have.

because even the people that disagree with the points on this thread will eventually get bored with the game. and due to these changes it will happen far quicker than it normally would.. but instead of comming here to hope to change somthing.. they will just move onto another game..

so in the end. the people who are supporting the idea of fixing this issue.. are actually supporting the very people who are arguing with, and badmouthing them.

I haven't gotten bored yet. I've taken my rit the furthest in game so far, and I've since brought a few other characters through, as well as work on my new paragon and dervish.

I feel that if you rush through the game, then you've left yourself little else to do in the game. That's why I take my time. We should be getting some new content within a few weeks, maybe people should take a break until then and come back with some new content.

Your post absolutely, positively has no meaning to it whatsoever. I just got to the Crevice today. Not even in Vabbi yet. Taking my time, doing some stuff, quests, whatever. I don't rush through anything, or play 24/7. I'm sorry, I'm going to have to call bullshit on your POV. Absolutely, positively ignorant and condescending of you to say that about people when you obviously haven't even read the entire topic. GG.

I got bored just because nightfall is way to long to get thru to have all your characters do it over and over again. I was able to get my dervish thru the entire thing then tried to get my ele thru and just stopped mid way because it was getting to much and to have 5 other characters do the same thing I really dont think so, I just left it alone.

I'm sorry, but there really has been an excessive amount of complaining on the boards. Complaints about the A.I. Complaints about how hard Nightfall is. Complaints about how easy it is. Complaints about how long it is. Complaints about how short it is. You get the picture. All of these probably stem from bored players.

Do I ever get bored of the game? Of course. It's because I've played it for a long time. And most of you have as well. Anything can get boring after a while. Go take a break. If GW seems too much as more of the same, then do something else. Play another game for a while. But don't expect the game to magically change into something completely new.

Also, this has turned into another thread complaining about the A.I. And we sure need another one of those right?

I can't get some of the arguments here off my head.

1.) You rushed to fast through the game, no wonder you are bored.

Nope. I did not rush through it, I even took my time to work for the cartographer title until reaching the later parts of the desolation. Currently close to 90% and it took not that much time. Of an online game that is labeled as CORPG I do not expect to be bored a week after release. Sure, every game is getting worn out after a time. But nightfall, well, not exactly Nightfall, but the changes made to the game with the release of nightfall and some mechanics being there from the start, shortened the game tremendously due to the complete lack of an endgame in PvE. I expect more out of a game when paying full price. At least more than the buyingprice in hours.

2.) Take a break
What will that change? Will the game change until the next chapter? Will it even change to the positive with the next chapter? If I take a break, for let's say five weeks, the quests will still be the same. There will still be no endgame. And elitemissions and challenge missions aren't an endgame, too. What do they offer? Nothing. Fun to play for a couple of times, some more some less, but after playing them some times they get boring too, just like the missions and other quests. Again out of the same reasons, they are alwys the same.

What would fix it?
Introducing something to do after beating the storyline. Unlimited randomquests with interesting rewards for example. GW is heavily instanced, but the system lies there almost unused. Basically it doesn't matter what they do, unless you get something that is fun in your eyes and keeps you playing until the next chapter arrives. If there are farmers who want to farm, then why shouldn't they do it? They don't hurt anyone. If people complain about being unable to play their PvEs in PvP there should be done something. And I just hope the "planned content update" is not another sorrows furnace....as it was just the addition of another two explorables.
Also I see no point in being quiet. For quite some time Anet listened to very few PvPonly players that were whining about unlocks being to slow and about the fact they don't have acces to all mods, even the useless ones. What happened? They got it. Faction increased two times (first x5 and now an additional x2), all mods available, armor locked in PvP, other pve-items nerfed and made available to pvp. Anet listens to their "<5% elite" maybe it is time they listen to the other side, too.
For PvP it is currently like this:
cry -> fix
cry -> fix
For PvE it is:
cry -> nothing happens
nerf -> cry -> nothing happens

That is what annoys me most.

Not to belabor the obvious, but the more you play the game, the more you cost Anet/NCSoft in bandwidth and CPU time. Given that, I should think the ideal customer is someone who buys the game, plays it for a few hours, and never gets around to playing it again -- I've known several people who've done just that. Needless to say, from that pespective it's doubtful that anyone reading this is an ideal customer, we're more their CFO's worst nightmare.

Perhaps the reason farming, chest running, and other such "endgame" activities keep getting nerfed into oblivion has nothing to do with, as everyone seems to assume, Chinese gold factories, and more to do with Anet, like most other creatures, acting according to its percieved best interest.

The hardcore getting bored, especially when many of them will be back for the next chapter no matter what, is objectively a Good Thing(tm) from Anet's point-of-view. And even if they do lose a few in the long run, it's not like they were ideal customers anyway.

Hey I'm all for adding new stuff but it's funny that you complain that the game is boring after completing the campaign in only a week, yet you're asking for a repeatable quest to do over and over and over again to relieve your boredom? And you complain that taking a break wont do anything because nothing will change. So repeatable quests is a big difference? No matter how random those quests are, they'll always be the same due to them having to be simple since they're supposed to be random.


Oh come on. Dont fall into the "Timmy got a bigger lollipop and I didnt" trap. It's just petty. If you havent noticed in all 3 chapters, PVE has always been the bulk of the game. And in Nightfall the bulk of the changes have been to PVE. Complaining that ANET isnt listening to PVE'rs and catering only to PVP is childish.

The only thing I am bored with is the wall you hit when you need promotion points. I had really hoped they would have done away with that after the kurzick and luxon walls you hit in factions. Aside from that I like the game alot, but because of that I'll probably just finish it with 1 or 2 toons and just run the rest everywhere.

Yea, I have been bored lately. Maybe it's just because I'm currently guildless, but even still it seems as if pve is quite pointless atm. I don't find questing with heros enjoyable, nor do I love the fact that the enemy AI is set in a fashion which is designed (inadvertantly?) to drag you across maps for hours (/sarcasm) at a time. Even once in a while when I do happen to PvE, I find that there is currently a lack of profitable, group oriented farming spots. When considering the several areas which many players used to farm (including FoW, UW, tombs, SF, the deep, urgoz, etc) it's apparent to me that, dependant upon which server you're situated upon, many of these areas are inaccessible. Will this lead to the farming of everyday, explorable zones with lesser or greater yield? Maybe, maybe not. Either way it's also clear that money just doesn't come as easily as it used to. (No, I'm not complaining, just stating a simple fact.) Runners have been lost to the general population with the advent of quest unlockable zones and outposts as well. It seems players will adapt to these changes by either

a) Using inginuity new ways of making money (services anyone?)
b) Complaining until it might POSSIBLY be changed
c) Becoming more resourceful and taking less for granted (Zomg, NOOOO I forgot to pick up that 20 gold!)
d) Switching to a seperate playerbase (pvp/pve/etc)
e) quitting

1) The fact of the matter is there is more to do. The fact that you don't want to do it is your own problem.

2) Take a break.. wait till new things are added and try again. Still don't like it? Go away. The fact is there are plenty of people happy with it; and each chapter thus far has introduced something new and different. If you don't like it to this point you probably won't like in the future either.

I'd also point out this is mainly a causal gamers game. The hardcore gamers can get through it quickly get the high end armor and everything, but most are smart enough to realize what they're doing and what this will mean down the road. (Even still some continue to enjoy it.) Bottom line:

If you complain but keep on buying, well... good for A.Net.

I agree with the OP. Guild Wars is a great game, but the henchmen AI is completely ------- up. If i attack a group of those Call To Torment enemies in The Realm of Torment there is 90% chance at least 2 in my group will die. Same about a group of 2xRuby Djinns. The henchmen are like "WOAH! AOE! LETS BALL UP!" and you die in less than 2sec.

If they dont fix the AI, i am boycutting any future expansion from Anet. No kidding.

QFT. Amazing how people automatically assume that their opinion is always right, and therefore Anet should modify what they do.

I'm a long-time Sorrow's Furnace farmer, and the fun was not in the accumulating greens or wealth, but in interacting with other people.

Nerfs have just forced us to change our approach. Our 4 man Urgoz runs no longer work after the update? WTF? Let's change a few skills and try it again based on how the new AI works. Hmm, works better now, but I actually have to pay attention rather than mindlessly hit my blessed signit key every few seconds.

Point is, the person who complained probably played over 1,000 hours for a game that they paid $50 for. The room for righteous indignation is somewhat small.

Learn and adapt.

I didn't like the campaign as much as other campaigns either.. When I bought Factions first (first of all games like 2-3 months ago) I enjoyed it, and I really wanted to finish it. Tyria was nice too, I did like the Factions campaign more though. In Elona, I didn't feel the urge to finish the game and I wansn't that impressed either. So now PvE kinda bores me and I am getting into PvP slowly, I'll see how that will work out for me.